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269GA-Veltro
10-25-2004, 03:51 AM
F6F....first of all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Why not the same quality for all? At least as for the F4F. Also Ki 43 is very poor. Ki 61 is a work of art; A20 and P40 the same; very good also Zero and Val. SBD is ok, but for me it could be quite better. P47....very, very poor quality. We were waiting at least for new textures...but nothing.

Too many different greens for the american cockpits....it's correct?

I don't understand these differences.

269GA-Veltro
10-25-2004, 03:51 AM
F6F....first of all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Why not the same quality for all? At least as for the F4F. Also Ki 43 is very poor. Ki 61 is a work of art; A20 and P40 the same; very good also Zero and Val. SBD is ok, but for me it could be quite better. P47....very, very poor quality. We were waiting at least for new textures...but nothing.

Too many different greens for the american cockpits....it's correct?

I don't understand these differences.

NegativeGee
10-25-2004, 03:58 AM
Well there are so many different sources of interiors used in game its not surprising there is a variation in quality.

I know there are set criteria for getting a pit into IL-2 games but there is obviously still room for artistic license with regard to the overall "look".

269GA-Veltro
10-25-2004, 04:00 AM
Right, but i really hope in an improved F6F cockpit; at least like the F4F cockpit.

NegativeGee
10-25-2004, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Right, but i really hope in an improved F6F cockpit; at least like the F4F cockpit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if the F6F is poor that is a shame considering how significant an aircraft it is to the game.

When you say it isn't that good, how would you relatively rate it? Is it "worse" than the 109 for example?

269GA-Veltro
10-25-2004, 04:28 AM
You got the point...

Also a Gustav cockpit restyling would be great....i know it, i love that bird.

About F6F: 1-10 for me is 5, considering the P40 and F4F cockpit for ex. I don't like it.....F6F cockpit should be better, it was a very important pacific fighter...very, very important.

Ruy Horta
10-25-2004, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
F6F....first of all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Why not the same quality for all? At least as for the F4F. Also Ki 43 is very poor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I have been critical in many posts, I'll have to disagree on the Ki-43. Although I did not doublecheck my (fairly complete in this case) references on the subject it looks authentic and detailed enough. The Hayabusa is a relatively simple a/c and it shows.

Also the Hellcat isn't that bad, the dash-5 looks a bit better than the dash 3, but they are "good enough". Are they as good as the best, no, but this stuff is done by different people and they simply differ in style and talent. If you want one style for FB+AEP+PF you'd need all the art made by a single person.

But back to the original remark...I like the Ki-43 cockpit. I love getting into a furball with early allied types and opening the cockpit before combat. You'll have to get used to the sight, but once having found your "method" its as effective as any other.

269GA-Veltro
10-25-2004, 05:01 AM
This is a cockpit....a work of art! Who is the modeller-skinner?

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/Ki-61_21.jpg

Chew_Toy1967
10-25-2004, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
This is a cockpit....a work of art! Who is the modeller-skinner?

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/Ki-61_21.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who did Ki cockpit? By your gushing I'd guess either you or a friend... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Re: the F-6F

As I understand it the "Ki" along with a few other cockpits/aircraft were developed by a "team" - with each member contributing with there special/unique talents. The F6F developer I believe is a single person. Obviously his skill-set is geared more toward the physical modelling and not toward texture artistry.

This contrived smear thread is asinine IMHO. Everyone who contributed to the development of PF deserves some amount of respect for putting forth the effort to provide "you" a product to the very best of their efforts. Sorry their efforts don't meet your standards...

DuxCorvan
10-25-2004, 08:21 AM
I don't think the F6F pit to be so bad. It's not so good as others, but I think the main reason it doesn't look good is... the original was ugly. Yes, the original F6F cockpit was simple and had plain textures. Ugly, ugly, but that'n not modeller's fault. It's Grumman's fault.

Compare it with P.11c cockpit or MiG-3, and it looks glorious.

Flatlander1961
10-25-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
This is a cockpit....a work of art! Who is the modeller-skinner?

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/Ki-61_21.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice pit only thing missing is the PILOT looks like he bailed out

A.K.Davis
10-25-2004, 12:30 PM
I would imagine Luthier did the Ki-61 cockpit himself. Looks similar in style to the Ki-84 pit, which I believe was Luthier's creation.

As far as consistency goes, too many different modellers and too little time to expect this.

I think will can all agree that Capt. Haddock's Gladiator pit is incredible. Now ask him how long it took to make it. Demand that level of quality and the F6F would probably not be in the game at all.

k5054
10-25-2004, 01:31 PM
Personally I'd like to see a 'class B' cockpit to act as a placeholder while the class A is being worked on, to get otherwise flyable aircraft into the game. A lot of planes seem to be in this limbo of 'not enough info', but almost all cockpits are knowm at least to the extent of a photo. If the cp was acknowledged as class B there wouldn't be a suspicion of dumbing down the game. Note I'm not suggesting a generic cp, but a best effort based on known info.