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EPP-Gibbs
03-17-2004, 06:44 PM
Ok, my GF3 TI200 can't cut the mustard. I need to upgrade the Gfx card.

The machine :
Epox 8rda board (nForce2) using onboard sound
Athlon XP2600 (not clocked)
512mb DDR400

My question, which is the best for the Gfx job, ATI Radeon, or nVidia?

I've been told:

(1) ATI are pulling ahead of nVidia now
(2) DirectX is now preferred to OGL
(3) FB/AEP is optimised for OGL, which ATI doesn't like

Is any/all of the above true?

I'll spend up to about 100 ($180) Euro..?? er?

What do you think? The most useful opinions are the objective ones, usually from people who have seen both in action.

Cheers,

Gibbs

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EPP-Gibbs
03-17-2004, 06:44 PM
Ok, my GF3 TI200 can't cut the mustard. I need to upgrade the Gfx card.

The machine :
Epox 8rda board (nForce2) using onboard sound
Athlon XP2600 (not clocked)
512mb DDR400

My question, which is the best for the Gfx job, ATI Radeon, or nVidia?

I've been told:

(1) ATI are pulling ahead of nVidia now
(2) DirectX is now preferred to OGL
(3) FB/AEP is optimised for OGL, which ATI doesn't like

Is any/all of the above true?

I'll spend up to about 100 ($180) Euro..?? er?

What do you think? The most useful opinions are the objective ones, usually from people who have seen both in action.

Cheers,

Gibbs

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Udidtoo
03-17-2004, 06:58 PM
Objective, oh my yes, fan boys always are http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Seriously now. I currently use a Nvidia 4600ti I play 1080 X 960 2xq AA and 4x AF, get around 37 to 40 FPS average.

A very short time ago that would have been the sweetest looking grapical display I had ever saw.

Then about a year ago I came here (lost my screen name during the migration)

Whenever someone posts one of these Nvidia vs ATI it becomes a "My Johnson is bigger than yours" contest but if you read enough of them and filter out the braggerts and boasters and just judge the results.....well hell, just look through 20 or so of the Hi resolution Screen shots threads.

There are some very good cards from both companies but when I finally break down and upgrade, ATI will be getting my next Rupees.

Its taken them awhile but they just keep gradually pulling ahead. By the way, I don't know about ATI's not likeing GL, many here who are worth listing to use them and Love them.

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SteinhoffJ
03-17-2004, 07:11 PM
Went through the same process not so long ago, ATI 9600xt was choie, havent looked back ('cept to check my six)

Weather_Man
03-17-2004, 07:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(1) ATI are pulling ahead of nVidia now
(2) DirectX is now preferred to OGL
(3) FB/AEP is optimised for OGL, which ATI doesn't like
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. Yes, currently.
2. Depends which game
3. Yes. False.

zzoltrix
03-17-2004, 08:25 PM
Go to any hardware review site (ie. Tomshardware, Anandtech, etc.) and watch the benchmarks. You'll see that ATI does extremely well on DirectX and Nvidia performs better on OpenGL. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CDN_Merlin
03-17-2004, 09:03 PM
P4 2.4
1 Gig RAM
Win XP Pro
SB Live
Direct X 9.0b

1st card = G4 4400
2nd card = 9800 Pro

Winner, with no doubt it's the 9800 pro. Not only cause it's newer but it actually makes my games, other than IL2 look so much sharper.

I haven't done any FPS testing but in my other games, it has jumped as much as 100%+.

Also, ATI is better at keeping the same FPS in higher resolutions than Nvidia does.

Beta tester for:
C&C Generals, Independance War 2,Starfleet Command 2,Settlers IV,Tzar,Allegiance,Starfleet Command,MAX 2,Defiance

PF_Welshman
03-17-2004, 09:14 PM
The guy only wants to spend 100 so any of the cards he gets isnt going to rock anyones boat.

the difference in performance at that level between ATI and Nvidia is tiny and to be honest they both win and loose some.

at the top of the range imo atm ATI has a slight lead but it isnt the huge ammount some would let you believe. but he isnt thinking of buying a 300 card is he..

a 9800 pro is the best high end car for the money probably but that is still twice what he wants to pay.

as for which 100 card is best well truthfully i have no idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ( probably a second hand one )

Rogodin
03-17-2004, 09:27 PM
It also depends of if you like aa and af, I personally can't play without them enabled-and ati is faster and better looking with aa and af enabled.

I'd say go for an ati card now.

I've ran:
FX5900 evga(overclocked)
gainward G4ti4600
msi G4 TI4200
Radeon 9800
Radeon 9700
Radeon 8500
Geforce 2 GTS
Geforce 2 MX400
TNT2M64

I can say that ati delievers better IQ with better fps-that is on my rig with my own benchmarks.

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Smoky_161st
03-17-2004, 09:37 PM
I did a test recently with my
Geforce5900ultra against a Ati 9800xt. The pc with the Ati had a faster cpu and bus speed.
3Dmark2003
Gf5900ultra=5988
Ati 9800xt=5400

I might add that I killed two Ati9700 pros over the summer due to overclocking. I have never smoked a Nvidia card. Ati good on warranties though. Sent that pos to a squad mate.

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Framerate Stays at refresh 70fps 90% of the time never drops below 30.

VW-IceFire
03-17-2004, 10:24 PM
I don't place much stock in artificial benchmarking with 3DMark2003 or anything really. What concerns me is image quality in games and frame rate performance. The Radeon 9700Pro I bought, after some considerable research, is probably the best video card purchase I have ever made. Its a fantastic card, never given me any real trouble (a few driver tweaks here and there, thats to be expected nVidia or ATI). ATI cards have no problems with OpenGL or FB...neither do the nVidia cards really. They are neck and neck...within a few performance points difference in general.

Read the reviews and see which card best suits you (price VS performance). Right now I'm recommending ATI cards, they make a good card, they perform well, they (subjectively) seem to have a better image quality...you'll get people on both sides of the argument. Decide for yourself but do some reading online.

I recommend www.hardocp.com (http://www.hardocp.com) for some interesting and indepth reviews.

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arcadeace
03-17-2004, 11:21 PM
I've owned I believe the top card for the U.S. equivalent of $180, the FX5900 non-Ultra. I ran 4xAA and 8xAnsio and it was a strong performer. I currently own the 9800Pro because I wrecked my NVidia. If you can go $200 you should be able to get one and for that price it's the best card on the market. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fiesetrix
03-18-2004, 04:15 AM
ATI 9800 Pro ROCKS, ATI 9600 Pro is O.K. - I dropped Nividia a long time ago and I dont regret it.

DaBallz
03-18-2004, 04:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fiesetrix:
ATI 9800 Pro ROCKS, ATI 9600 Pro is O.K. - I dropped Nividia a long time ago and I dont regret it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ATI is the top gaming card right now.
The ATI9800XT 256 rocks.
Use OGL by the way, Direct X is lame on FB/AEP.

IF YOU ARE RUNNING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
work related programs don't buy ATI. You
will be stuck with Nvidia.
AutoCad
MasterCam
GibbsCam
SurfCam
AlphaCam

Basicly computer aided design programs
were designed to run with Nvidia.
At home I run ATI cards, and a VooDoo card
in an old machine for old games.
At work I am forced to run Nvidia.

Da...

Hunter82
03-18-2004, 04:33 AM
incorrect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zzoltrix:
Go to any hardware review site (ie. Tomshardware, Anandtech, etc.) and watch the benchmarks. You'll see that ATI does extremely well on DirectX and Nvidia performs better on OpenGL. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
03-18-2004, 04:49 AM
Stop and consider your upgrading future first:

How long do you want your new graphics card to last?
How long will it be before you upgrade your motherboard?

By Q2 or Q3 THIS YEAR, many new mobos will be PCI-express ONLY.
By 2005 most likely ALL new mobos will be PCI-express ONLY.

If you upgrade to one of these mobos, your new card will NOT work, period.

Why upgrade to new mobos?, you will reap the benefits of, Intel: PCI-express, ICH6, DDR2, socket 775, Prescott/Tejas/64-bitness or AMD: PCI-express, AMD64 chips, DDR2, probably more chipset stuff.

Computers are always advancing so no time is a good time to upgrade but this is porbably more so this year and in 2005 than it has been in a long long time.

For instance, I intend to upgrade my entire computer in 2005 once the new technology has settled down a bit. Top money on a new graphics card now will only last me for 12 - 18 months. My *personal* decision is that it will be somewhat wasteful so I am bearing with my Ti4800 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif for the moment and may pick up a much cheaper ATI 9800XT to get me through. Much cheaper that is when the new ATI cards are released and the inevitable price fall for 9800XT occurs. Should only be a few months since the R420 release is rumored to be only a month away.

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Zayets
03-18-2004, 05:17 AM
Same here,I run a "more than enough" setup (P4 2.4, 1GB SDRAM , Ti4600) and I will upgrade only eend 2004 or 2005. I don't want to upgrade tto ATI simply because support for Linux is far from adequate. Happens to have an ATI on my laptop and I know how hard it is to make it work properly under Linux.I am not a fanboy for nv, but these cards never let me down.Don't changee what's working.
I am sure ( I have actually seen) ATI 9800 seeries in action and it beats the crap outta my Ti4600 in games,but problem for me is that I play only one game regularly,thus no need to pay a top of the notcch ATI only for IL2.Ti4600 runs this game very good and I will not change it now. I will buy a whole new system later.Probably with nVidia as well.

Zayets out
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Rajvosa
03-18-2004, 06:17 AM
You run FB on Linux, then?

Zayets?

Regards,

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Zayets
03-18-2004, 06:28 AM
That might be sounding a bit weird but I had many attempts to make FB running on Linux. I was thinking that if OpenGL is an option,then itt may work. Unfortunately,the game itsellf depends on some native windoze libraries and so far even with Wine couldn't manage to make it work. If that was the cause, I would say bye bye to my Windows install,because I don't need it otherwise.Only for gaming.

To this debate,I would very much like to have ATI eyecandy in games but it doesn't wortth the effort(money) to buy one since most of my times I spend on my linux box.ATI is well know for its weak Llinux support. The day theey'll came with the same support nvidia have for Linux I may change sides. Until then , stick to my nv chip. Is just my oppinion, and is not based on performances,only functionality.

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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 07:39 AM
Close inspection of user-comments, benchmarks, and reviews will lead you to one conclusion:

There is no conclusive evidence supporting the idea that one manufacturers card is better than the other.

Its all a line of sensational consumer fadism, driven by advertising dollars. Buy whatever suits your spending range.

Personally, I buy nvidia because of thier support.

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Rajvosa
03-18-2004, 07:50 AM
I couldn't agree more with you, Zayets. Unfortunately, we are so bloody dependant on Windows that other OSs are not an option if you want some work done on your PC.

Sad!

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NetDaemon
03-18-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
I don't want to upgrade tto ATI simply because support for Linux is far from adequate. Happens to have an ATI on my laptop and I know how hard it is to make it work properly under Linux.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, you're incorrect in there. I run my 9700pro in Mandrake 9.2 at the moment without a problem, even have Dual Display and TV-Out working. Have the UT2004 demo running in Linux flawlessly with that card at full 3D hardware acceleration.

Used to run RedHat 9.0 last year with the same card. No problems either.

Used to have a GeForceFX5600 and a Geforce4ti4200 before that and both run in Mandrake 9.0/9.1 and RedHat 8.0/9.0 without a problem, but the Nvidia driver didn't support either Dual Display or TV Out in Linux.

So I believe ATI's Linux drivers are better than Nvidia's at least since last year, don't know before that since I only used Nvidia before.

BTW, I did run into a lot of problems getting my mobo's Nforce2 Ultra400 chipset to work in Linux, hadn't had such problems with my older Intel Chipset based mobo. Nvidia's Nforce drivers for Linux are pretty weak IMHO.

So yeah, an Nvidia 3D card won't give you problem in Linux, but so an ATI card, at least nowadays. But an Nvidia NForce chipset will.

ATI's weak Linux support is a myth now, check out their "lack of linux support" here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif :

ATI's Linux drivers (http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=5&submit.y=9&submit=GO%21)

Looks pretty up to date for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif



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Zayets
03-18-2004, 08:21 AM
Upgrade your kernel from 2.4.22 in yer MK 9.x distro and come back after. TV Out work flawlesly on my linux box,so is 3d on my Ti4600.I'm running Slack 9.1 + Dropline Gnome with 2.6.1 kernel, soon I'll upgrade this one too.ATI is doing good drivers for distributions/releases. Upgrade your X libraries and keernel and we'll talk after. This is thee support I am reffering to.

Zayets out
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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 08:24 AM
Mandrake and Redhat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

SysV init http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

No thanks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Zayets
03-18-2004, 08:30 AM
...not to mention rpm dependency hell. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 08:40 AM
If you must run linux, use gentoo. Otherwise, linux sucks, use freebsd http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anything with sysv init is the work of satan. Be sure.

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NetDaemon
03-18-2004, 08:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Upgrade your kernel from 2.4.22 in yer MK 9.x distro and come back after. TV Out work flawlesly on my linux box,so is 3d on my Ti4600.I'm running Slack 9.1 + Dropline Gnome with 2.6.1 kernel, soon I'll upgrade this one too.ATI is doing good drivers for distributions/releases. Upgrade your X libraries and keernel and we'll talk after. This is thee support I am reffering to.

Zayets out
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong again, ATI's linux drivers aren't distro dependant, just depend on the version of XFree86 you got installed. Read here (http://www.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html)
and here. (http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/Linux_376_Release_Notes.html)



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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 08:56 AM
I don't think anyone said the drivers were distro dependant.

However, we did say your distro sucks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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TPCMike
03-18-2004, 09:08 AM
In the current generation of vga cards Nvidia only keeps up with ATI in terms of speed through much poorer image quality.

On a level playing field of quality the ATI cards (9800 pro specifically) storm ahead. Both in D3D and OGL.

I product test cards and own one of the UK's biggest review sites and have done this to death a thousand times.

Of the high end pards with a 9800 you get faster performance, better image quality and at a lower price. No competition, at all.

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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TPCMike:
In the current generation of vga cards Nvidia only keeps up with ATI in terms of speed through _much_ poorer image quality.

On a level playing field of quality the ATI cards (9800 pro specifically) storm ahead. Both in D3D and OGL.

I product test cards and own one of the UK's biggest review sites and have done this to death a thousand times.

Of the high end pards with a 9800 you get faster performance, better image quality and at a lower price. No competition, at all.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only are your image-quality comments extremely dated, but it seems your graphics cards reviews are also.

I appreciate the fact that you have a review site that has several thousand forum posts in TWO YEARS TIME, but I take issue with your supposed authority in the graphics card arena.

The last card you reviews was a 9700 pro in March 2003.

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Cold_Gambler
03-18-2004, 09:36 AM
Hi Gibbs,
everybody seems to have forgotten what your price range is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I also couldn't spend a whole lot on a graphics card. After some searching I decided to go for a PowerColor 9600XT 128 (with the faster memory chips, not the 3.3ns).

I previously had had a 7500 and a 8500, so I stayed with ATI because I was familiar with it. I'm very pleased with my purchase- it's not top of the line (can't really run anything but a QMB on "Perfect") but it's fine running on high/excellent settings.
I hope this helps,
Cold_Gambler

NetDaemon
03-18-2004, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I don't think anyone said the drivers were distro dependant.

However, we did say your distro sucks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First, my response wasn't addressed at you BaldieJr.

Second, if you read carefully Zayet's post, the bottom line there is that is you deviate only a bit from a known distro, ATI's drivers won't work. That's called distro dependant.

And I believe that is not the case since I tried them drivers with several kernels, even custom ones, not just the basic mainstream linux distro's.

Third, I nor anyone else here gives a damn about what you think of Mandrake and/or Redhat since this is a Graphics Card related thread. Wanna bash both distros? Start a new topic or head for a Linux forum. I have to use both at work so I don't care whether they suck or not, I make them work for my company.

Fourth, wanna keep on bashing ATI as usual? try one of their cards first, I don't respect opinions from people who talk on third hand experiences only. I had Nvidia cards, I have an ATI card right now, so I have experience with both in several OSes.



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TPCMike
03-18-2004, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Not only are your image-quality comments extremely dated, but it seems your graphics cards reviews are also.

I appreciate the fact that you have a review site that has several thousand forum posts in TWO YEARS TIME, but I take issue with your supposed authority in the graphics card arena.

The last card you reviews was a 9700 pro in March 2003.

http://www.fighterjerks.com/churchsign.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well seeing as you apparently can't read let me point a few things out:

A: I said I product test. That's not reviewing, thats pre release product testing.

B: It's one million posts not 2000 but that isn't the issue here is it?

I have used every current vga card on the market from Nvidia and ATI and my image quality comments are driven by what I have seen with my own eyes. Can you say the same?

The endless proof behind Nvidias dumbing down of IQ to try and level the performance is there for all to see. Is this the Nvidia support you speak of?

To deny ATI's superiority in the current market is to deny what anyone can clearly see.

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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 10:37 AM
You guys are both illiterate and complete liars.

Also: ATI users. Hrm.

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TPCMike
03-18-2004, 10:42 AM
I'm lying am I?

Well I couldn't care less what you think.

Nvidia have clearly been leagues behind ATI for well over a year now.

Pixel Shaders?

EDIT - Oh forget it anyway, I'm not arguing with tards on forums anymore.

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wotan111
03-18-2004, 10:49 AM
best buy for 100 is the 9600xt.

I have a 4200ti and if I had about 100 to spend on a card it would be the 9600xt.

Out performs cards of 140 if bought from nvidia.

BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 10:50 AM
Oh what the heck... its not like the masses think i'm a nice guy or anything, therefore I can't do any more damage to my 'friendly reputation'.

Mandrake/ Redhat are CRAP. BLOATED CRAP. INSECURE CRAP. They were created so morons can say "yeah dude, I'm running linux and stuff".

Zayets never said anything about distro dependancy. You read it that way. You're just mad because you can't compile a kernal and have to depend on Mandrake to give you a sweet little RPM. Basicly, in the world of *nix, you suck.

I also want to point out that working with crappy linux doesn't entitle you to a qualified opinion of graphics hardware. I am in charge of MANY THOUSANDS of *nix boxen and we don't run X on any of them. I find it hard to believe that your company pays you to play FB on an ATI card in Duck_Linux.

I want to also point out that you did not read every post I ever made concerning ATI, otherwise you would know that I still own 1 ati card and have owned many, many ATI cards in the past. My opinion is that they are no better performance-wise, and sub-par in the area of support.

As for the other meathead.

You do product testing? For whom? Why don't you post reviews of the products you test on your supposedly famous site?

Are you a product tester for ATI, nVidia, or both? Are both companies aware that you product test for thier competition, or ARE YOU JUST A LIAR?

I mean really. You guys just take the cake.

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03-18-2004, 10:55 AM
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TPCMike
03-18-2004, 11:08 AM
Yawn.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TPCMike:

EDIT - Oh forget it anyway, I'm not arguing with tards on forums anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I product test for vendors FYI.

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Zayets
03-18-2004, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NetDaemon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Upgrade your kernel from 2.4.22 in yer MK 9.x distro and come back after. TV Out work flawlesly on my linux box,so is 3d on my Ti4600.I'm running Slack 9.1 + Dropline Gnome with 2.6.1 kernel, soon I'll upgrade this one too.ATI is doing good drivers for distributions/releases. Upgrade your X libraries and keernel and we'll talk after. This is thee support I am reffering to.

Zayets out
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong again, ATI's linux drivers aren't distro dependant, just depend on the version of XFree86 you got installed. Read http://www.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html
and http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/Linux_376_Release_Notes.html



"Friends don't let friends buy Nvidia FX cards"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Having a choice is something new for you isn't it? Trust me,is really nice to have a choice,I've done it and is beautiful.I didn't said is distro dependenat, read my post , is only about kernel delivered with a certain distro and/or X libs.
I agree with your sig that you shouldn't buy FX nvidia cards,you should buy Ti series,they are better and at the same prices.
I am not , I will never say at this moment that nv cards are better than ATI ones because simply is not true.I'm using nv for reasons I gave ya previously.And your arguments (links) didn't convinced me yet.

And btw, your distro sucks.

Zayets out
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EPP-Gibbs
03-18-2004, 12:20 PM
Many thanks to all of you for taking the time to reply. People who've already trodden the path make it easier for those that follow.

I'll most likely plumb for Radeon, and although my 'budget' is at this stage in the region of 100, I know that I'll probably sell myself upwards.

My only worry, and it's not happened before, is to to do with spending a larger ammount on a top card now, knowing that it may well not be good enough when BoB comes out next year. My thinking is to buy a 'good enough' card now, for less, which wont hurt so much when I throw it away for the Super-duper nVidia FX 8500 XT Turbo or Radeon 12500 NuclearPower card that will be required to run BoB smoothly.

Has this thought occurred to others?

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BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 12:33 PM
That thought has indeed occured to me. Thats why I am on the "Don't do it unless you can double" upgrade regiment.

Basicly, I don't upgrade anything unless I can double what I had.

Upgrades happen about every 3 years for me.

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NetDaemon
03-18-2004, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
...I find it hard to believe that your company pays you to play FB on an ATI card in Duck_Linux.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of all the pile of crap BaldieJr just wrote, I thought this was the funniest bit.

So he finally found out about the "secret" version of FB for Linux http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Well, guess Oleg's gonna be mad at me for making that slip out into the unprepared masses. After all, the secret Linux FB is only for Uber Linux Haxxors like me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And yes Baldie, ATI flyies rings around Nvidia in FB in a linux box http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif



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Master.Mariner
03-18-2004, 01:07 PM
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-nvidia-roundup_17.html

Period
Master

Dasmannny
03-18-2004, 02:04 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also think after purchase support. I own a 9600 XT and a 9700 PRO. My year old 9700 card started going Wonky last week. I returned it to ATI on Friday and recieved a Spanking brand new 9700 PRO on the following TUES without question. Now the 9700 PRO is not manufactured anymore, yet the card I recieved is pristine and works and had a different Cooling Fan...so I guess there are stocks about their warehouses........

I am sure NVIDIA manufactures have good support as well, I am only relating my experience.

By the way the 9600XT is also an outstanding card running in my P4 3.2ghz.

I am not much of a techy but I am a completely satisfied customer and highly recommend ATI based on a year plus flying, with beautiful GFX, excellent customer support and regular updating of GFX CATALYST drivers.

Thumbs up for ATI cards

Dasmannyy aka TiGGer

BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 02:17 PM
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/ati-nvidia-roundup/image018-il2fb1024.png

Perdy pix are always popular amongst those who lack comprehension.

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arcadeace
03-18-2004, 03:06 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its an interesting chart, those with Il2/FB are the only ones pertinent in my opinion. I'm not particular with either brand name, just the best bang/buck. One observation should be made, when there is a definite, identical limit with different capabilities there is a bottleneck within the system not related to the cards.

PF_Coastie
03-18-2004, 04:32 PM
LOL Baldie, Why did you post the onlt test that Nvidia won in? 1024x768 with NO AA or Aniso!

Why not post this one with some eye candy turned up?

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Your pretty funny! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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03-18-2004, 04:42 PM
Coastie strikes back...

V!
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Spinne_3.-JG51
03-18-2004, 04:58 PM
I don't think a few fps here or there matter much once you're past 35 fps. Both companies have excellent support. If you have any technical competancy at all, you'll be fine with a card from either company. Have fun.

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G13man
03-18-2004, 05:26 PM
Having gone thru an upgrade, here was my answer and a direrante answer for you.. I started out looking at an 9600 card for price reasons..But my very first komp i paid $400 for vid...so i did [16yrs later] again[ first whole new upgrade in 6 years] but as some one else mentioned hold on for 6 months to a year .. pci exprese new vid .. faster everything , , , BOB...B.O.B &gt; i couldn't wait but if you must look for a [used]unused 9500 . linux is slighly more support by Nvidia and ati isn't officially supporting my amd 64...but things still work

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BaneTheEvilOne
03-18-2004, 06:27 PM
Well i must tell you all, both cards suck. I mean top of the line cards. They dont support playable frames in perfect mode. Maybe if you fly straight, but for performing the roll while looking left on horizont through cockpit window they are WEAK. I kept 5950 ultra because of digital vibrance which kills that washed out color. FB is great on projector over the entire wall with 6.1 speakers. Cannt wait for better cards (and BOB). My advice to you is to find way to earn more money and allways buy the best. Because even they are not enough.

griego
03-18-2004, 07:20 PM
Hmmm, Just think I was going to upgrade to a newer card. Then i see #'s like 59fps at 1024x768 with the top of the line ATI card and 62fps with the top of the line nvidia card.

I play at 1152x864 with a geforce4 ti 4200, and i get 50fps on excellent. with no AA or aniso. In QMB with a amd 2000xp on win98. 512mbram. I must admit though that in campaigns with more planes it drops considerably.

So upgrading at this point to me seem pointless. and a waste of money.

I guess I'll just wait until some upgrades actually up the fps levels to something respectable. Like 80fps or better.

I was hoping the AMD 64fx would do this.

If anyone has the AMD 64fx. and a ATI or nvidia top end card. will this setup do this.

BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
LOL Baldie, Why did you post the onlt test that Nvidia won in? 1024x768 with NO AA or Aniso!

Why not post this one with some eye candy turned up?

http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/coastie0/image021-il2fb1024q.jpg

Your pretty funny! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

PF_Coastie

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OFFICIAL ATI BETA TESTER<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AA/AF are not the same thing in either card. Thats like comparing one card in OpenGL and another in DirectX.

As a beta tester, you should know these things.

Besides, I don't use AA/AF so that benchmark would mean nothing to me.

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EPP-Gibbs
03-18-2004, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by griego:
Hmmm, Just think I was going to upgrade to a newer card. Then i see #'s like 59fps at 1024x768 with the top of the line ATI card and 62fps with the top of the line nvidia card.

I play at 1152x864 with a geforce4 ti 4200, and i get 50fps on excellent. with no AA or aniso. In QMB with a amd 2000xp on win98. 512mbram. I must admit though that in campaigns with more planes it drops considerably.

So upgrading at this point to me seem pointless. and a waste of money.

I guess I'll just wait until some upgrades actually up the fps levels to something respectable. Like 80fps or better.

I was hoping the AMD 64fx would do this.

If anyone has the AMD 64fx. and a ATI or nvidia top end card. will this setup do this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thes tests were done on 'perfect' settings. I think your card would take a hammering on perfect, if you're getting 59fps on excellent.

At the moment I'm getting about 40fps on excellent but with with no AA, or Aniso, on 1024x768. It won't do perfect, but before the patch that disabled perfect for incapable cards I'd only get about 16fps..uselss.

I'm probably going to plumb for a Radeon 9800 pro 128 ...paying about 150 on ebay. Told ya I'd sell up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It seems that when the going gets tough and you dial in more eyecandy the Radeon cards pull away from nVidia.

It's not too much money to make me grieve if I then have to upgrade again when BoB comes out.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

BaldieJr
03-18-2004, 10:05 PM
If you'll READ the article, those test WERE NOT dont in 'perfect'.

Kind puts the whole debate into perspective.

PS- I just checked my card (nvidia of course) and framerates dropped to 21 at 8x AA/AF, and were very nice at 4x AA/ 8x AF, pulling up to 42 fps.

Unfortunately, I can't deal with the latency when using AA/AF as it gives me simulator sickness.

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PF_Coastie
03-18-2004, 10:25 PM
Its a good article but it would be very helpful if they gave more info on what they used as a benchmark. This would be great for readers to do a compare with and not just give numbers for the top cards.

The thing is, sure you can get similar fps with a 4200. But what happens when the res and/or AA and AF are cranked up. With the newer cards, you will still have nice fps, with the 4200 you will be watching a slide show.

Baldie, What kind of smarta$$ comment was that? Did I strike a nerve? Of course comparing the the AA and AF is relevant. I've tried every possible combo of res and AA/AF settings on my machine. 16x12 texture look great but the jaggies just look aweful with no aa. So I use 1152x864 with 4x AA/AF and it looks awesome with great fps. It looks much better than vanilla 16x12.

Nvidia just doent do AA/AF as well as ATI, so I guess your right after all, It is an unfair comparison.....LMAO!

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Rogodin
03-18-2004, 10:58 PM
The reason why you don't give a crap about aa and af is because your 4600 is too shatty to run it BJ.

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Zayets
03-19-2004, 01:36 AM
And that concluded the debate.
Castie , your oppinion doesn't count since you are ATI tester.
Rogodin is well known for photoshoping his screenshoots saying that he actually sees that in the game with 45 fps.
The whole point is that you shouldn't buy any card at this point.By mid year a nextgen will be available for both brands and by th end of the year I'll buy myself a new system.
I run IL2FB at 1280x960 2xQ AA and without AF.
Ti4600 doesn't givee you very good fps with high AA & AF in FB. But then again, this card was on the market one year before FB and more than 2 before 9800. If the ATI fanboys choose this very card to compare their beloved child with , well , that means Ti4600 is not bad at all. Thx for making this clear for me. I will not upgrade yet, nor I will buy a 9800.Unless I receive one for free.Which is not the case.

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Aaron_GT
03-19-2004, 02:32 AM
Gibbs wrote:
"Ok, my GF3 TI200 can't cut the mustard. I need to upgrade the Gfx card."

basically the same card I have, although I have
a less powerful processed (AMD XP 2000) but more
RAM (1Gb).

In the UK I can get a 9800SE for 125, or
the cost of getting a friend to snag a 9800
with the rebate on his trip to the USA would
be about the same, although returns if faulty
would be a risk.

Aaron_GT
03-19-2004, 03:02 AM
Wotan wrote:
"best buy for 100 is the 9600xt."

Where can you get them for 100 including VAT?

BaldieJr
03-19-2004, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Its a good article but it would be very helpful if they gave more info on what they used as a benchmark. This would be great for readers to do a compare with and not just give numbers for the top cards.

The thing is, sure you can get similar fps with a 4200. But what happens when the res and/or AA and AF are cranked up. With the newer cards, you will still have nice fps, with the 4200 you will be watching a slide show.

Baldie, What kind of smarta$$ comment was that? Did I strike a nerve? Of course comparing the the AA and AF is relevant. I've tried every possible combo of res and AA/AF settings on my machine. 16x12 texture look great but the jaggies just look aweful with no aa. So I use 1152x864 with 4x AA/AF and it looks awesome with great fps. It looks much better than vanilla 16x12.

Nvidia just doent do AA/AF as well as ATI, so I guess your right after all, It is an unfair comparison.....LMAO!

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OFFICIAL ATI BETA TESTER<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Coastie, you wanna read my post?

My framerates are exactly the same as the 9800 Pro listed in the chart you posted.

1024x768@32-bit w 4xAA/8xAF = 42fps

SOooooooooooooooooo....

ROFLMAOLOOLLLOIAILALOOOL and stuff!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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EPP-Gibbs
03-19-2004, 07:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Gibbs wrote:
"Ok, my GF3 TI200 can't cut the mustard. I need to upgrade the Gfx card."

basically the same card I have, although I have
a less powerful processed (AMD XP 2000) but more
RAM (1Gb).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hear what you are all saying about the new generation of cards mid next year, but if we all waited and waited till the 'next thing' came out, we'd never actually buy anything. The GF3 doesn't allow AA without dropping the FPS to jerky-land, and any intensity in the mission particularly with flak, ground objects, etc, and it really starts to bog up. Perfect is unobtainable of course.

So, I'm after a card for now that will allow some eye candy and smoothness, but not break the bank, as I know an upgrade will be necessary next year. 150 or so on a Radeon 9800Pro 128 might just be the ticket, it's also what I paid for the GF3 at the time.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

Aaron_GT
03-19-2004, 08:09 AM
Gibbs,

What sort of FPS are you getting with OpenGL,
1024x768x16 (or thereabouts) in BlackDeath.ntrk.

With 16 channel sound I get around 23 FPS.

If I cut down the sound quality I can get
28 FPS.

Aaron_GT
03-19-2004, 08:20 AM
The 9600XT looks promising, Gibbs, if there
is indeed a source for 100 incl VAT.

The 9800Pro is about 15% faster in the non-AA
benchmarks, but is about 70% more expensive.

Alternatively ebuyer did have some 9800SEs
at 125 all up (9800 PRO about 50% more
expensive than the SE) and without AA on the
benchmarks posted it looks to be only 10%
slower. Mostly the 9800SE and 9600XT look
to be about the same price.


With AA and AF, it looks like the 9800SE
really takes a beating relative to the 9800
pro, and even the 9600XT. So if the XT can
be had for 100 (less than the 9800SE) it's
the one to go for.

So where is that 100 price on the 9600XT!

PF_Coastie
03-19-2004, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
And that concluded the debate.
Castie , your oppinion doesn't count since you are ATI tester.
Rogodin is well known for photoshoping his screenshoots saying that he actually sees that in the game with 45 fps.
The whole point is that you shouldn't buy any card at this point.By mid year a nextgen will be available for both brands and by th end of the year I'll buy myself a new system.
I run IL2FB at 1280x960 2xQ AA and without AF.
Ti4600 doesn't givee you very good fps with high AA & AF in FB. But then again, this card was on the market one year before FB and more than 2 before 9800. If the ATI fanboys choose this very card to compare their beloved child with , well , that means Ti4600 is not bad at all. Thx for making this clear for me. I will not upgrade yet, nor I will buy a 9800.Unless I receive one for free.Which is not the case.

Zayets out
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Zayets-iar80pic.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zayets, I dont agree with the holdout option right now unless you are going to do a complete system upgrade in the next year. That will be quite expensive too!

The 9800pro will not come down much more in price even after the release of the new technology. I really don't think you will see it below about 180 a year from now.

If someone wants to upgrade just a video card, now is as good a time as any in my opinion. There are some great deals out there right now.

By the way, What does being a beta tester have to do with anything? I am currently using the official 4.2's for this game. I guess I can understand your point though! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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PF_Coastie
03-19-2004, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:

Coastie, you wanna read my post?

My framerates are exactly the same as the 9800 Pro listed in the chart you posted.

1024x768@32-bit w 4xAA/8xAF = 42fps

SOooooooooooooooooo....

ROFLMAOLOOLLLOIAILALOOOL and stuff!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.fighterjerks.com/churchsign.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Baldie, You just dont get it do ya? Maybe you should reread my post. If we knew what they were using to do the benchmark, we could make a comparison.

I can average 70+ fps in a QMB with AA/AF on 4x against 2 to 4 enemy planes. But on the Blackdeath track I only get about 42 average on excellent and 34 on perfect.

We just have no way of doing our own comparison is all I am saying.

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Rogodin
03-19-2004, 09:41 AM
Keep your unfounded claims to yourself Zayets-I didn't attack you-You guys are using cards that I tested 2 years ago-they sucked (when running aa and af) then too-I mean you don't have to justify to us why you're too cheap to buy a decent card.

Flaming Nvidia fanboys like yourselves make me sick-and I'm a fairly patient guy but both of you have initiated personal attacks (ad homineum) to support your claims-I guess we should send you to your rooms now.

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03-19-2004, 10:20 AM
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Zayets
03-19-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rogodin:
Keep your unfounded claims to yourself Zayets-I didn't attack you-You guys are using cards that I tested 2 years ago-they sucked (when running aa and af) then too-I mean you don't have to justify to us why you're too cheap to buy a decent card.

Flaming Nvidia fanboys like yourselves make me sick-and I'm a fairly patient guy but both of you have initiated personal attacks (ad homineum) to support your claims-I guess we should send you to your rooms now.

rogo

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"Those who long for exaltation look upwards, but I look downwards for I am the exalted."
Thus Spake Zarathustra.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rogodin,
I didn't attacked you in any way.I am just saying that you're photoshoping yer screenshots and post them as they come outta game.Where's the attack in this.Even if this is true or not I could care less.Point is that you've been always an ATI fanboy.You cannot say about me that I'm an nv fanboy. Everywhere in this forum I have said ATI are way better than nv when it comes about gaming. But you are offended by just about anything.Read your post prior to your last one and judge self who's a fanboy and who's not. Is not the first time you've been offended because someone's saying ATI's weak.As for sending me to my room you should not worry, since I'm already in there enjoying my gaming experience.Don't bother to reply since I will not answer you regarding this issue.To quote an ATI fanboy I can say the same : "I'm a fairly patient guy but both of you have initiated personal attacks".
Have a good one!

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ZG77_Nagual
03-19-2004, 11:38 AM
I have a 9700 non pro - which I flashed with pro bios then modded with heat sinks. It runs happily at 365/345 - faster even in 3dmark03 but Iclock it down to be safe. It benches nearly as fast as my 9800pro - which is also oc'd. I've got a 9600xt on order for a system here at work and will be glad to provide reviews if you want. Nvidia is still scrambling to regain their footing after Ati's video coup - right now they got nothing I want - but I'll keep watching.

MO_JOJO
03-19-2004, 01:42 PM
Interesting discussion and what sounds like a lot of expertise. Maybe someone can help a noob like me. I have been hooked on this game for a couple of months now and have just put a few bucks into extra RAM (1G) and an nVidia FX5200 card, which I know nothing about. I don't really care that it is not the best card available, but I do care about getting the most out of it and have no idea how.
I don't know what AA, AF , or anyting else is, but if someone can provide even the most basic
recommendations on the best settings for such a system (P4, 2.4 Ghz, WinXP, 1G RAM, GeForce FX 5200) I will figure out how to make the necessary changes.

PF_Coastie
03-19-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MO_JOJO:
Interesting discussion and what sounds like a lot of expertise. Maybe someone can help a noob like me. I have been hooked on this game for a couple of months now and have just put a few bucks into extra RAM (1G) and an nVidia FX5200 card, which I know nothing about. I don't really care that it is not the best card available, but I do care about getting the most out of it and have no idea how.
I don't know what AA, AF , or anyting else is, but if someone can provide even the most basic
recommendations on the best settings for such a system (P4, 2.4 Ghz, WinXP, 1G RAM, GeForce FX 5200) I will figure out how to make the necessary changes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi JOJO, Unfortunately, Your video card is the bottleneck in your system. I am not a Nvidia expert either. You will not be able to run AA(AntiAliasing) which smoothes out the jagged lines on edges OR AF(Anisotropic Filtering) which enhances textures basically. Your card just doent have the horsepower for those options.

I would suggest going to the community help forum and starting a thread there along with your Dxdiag. There are many nice people over there who can help you.

Good luck!

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Master.Mariner
03-19-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:

Coastie, you wanna read my post?

My framerates are exactly the same as the 9800 Pro listed in the chart you posted.

1024x768@32-bit w 4xAA/8xAF = 42fps

SOooooooooooooooooo....

ROFLMAOLOOLLLOIAILALOOOL and stuff!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Baldie, You just dont get it do ya? Maybe you should reread my post. If we knew what they were using to do the benchmark, we could make a comparison.

I can average 70+ fps in a QMB with AA/AF on 4x against 2 to 4 enemy planes. But on the Blackdeath track I only get about 42 average on excellent and 34 on perfect.

We just have no way of doing our own comparison is all I am saying.

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HellToupee
03-19-2004, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
You run FB on Linux, then?

Zayets?

Regards,

Jasko

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Yes yes you can, just got it going yesterday with winex performance wise probly a little less than windows but there seems no loss in image quality and its very playable, just wotn work with my joystick for some reason when it works everywhere else. One fo the reasons i will stay nvidia is there linux support, ryan "icculus" gordon describes ati drivers as flat out useless on linux http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. So i am gona get a 5900xt it should outperform the 9600xt in il2 easly.

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