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ploughman
06-19-2007, 01:34 PM
Some fellow has ordered a private jet.

His own A-380. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6768237.stm)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Hardly the handiest of jets for small airport use. Coincidentally I read the other week that Boeing were doing a nice line in personalised B-747s. Must be a lot of disposable income sloshing around other people's houses.

ploughman
06-19-2007, 01:34 PM
Some fellow has ordered a private jet.

His own A-380. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6768237.stm)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Hardly the handiest of jets for small airport use. Coincidentally I read the other week that Boeing were doing a nice line in personalised B-747s. Must be a lot of disposable income sloshing around other people's houses.

LStarosta
06-19-2007, 01:40 PM
And you want to know how the "prominent middle-eastern 'entrepreneur'" paid for it?

Edited for the PC kiddies.

ploughman
06-19-2007, 01:47 PM
Go on the, do tell. I dare say I'm going to need a shower or two afterwards to get the dirt off.

russ.nl
06-19-2007, 02:01 PM
Ah look, it's costing 10000 jobs so we can have the A-380 ASAP instead of a couple of years from now.

Korolov1986
06-19-2007, 02:05 PM
I read a similar article in a magazine from some US civil engineer who wanted a similar private mod done.

Seriously... If I had that much money, I'd just contract out to make a replica warbird, and use a King Air for all my traveling needs.

neural_dream
06-19-2007, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">from the article:
Environmental groups were annoyed by the news, saying that buying a superjumbo for private use was like "buying a filthy coal-fired power station just to use to charge up your mobile phone." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

slappedsilly
06-19-2007, 02:12 PM
I confess, it was me. I haven't figured out how to tell the wife yet though.

Ferdinand_L
06-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Hey, Austin Powers had a 747. What's the big deal?

leitmotiv
06-19-2007, 02:25 PM
Not since the pre-WWI era have we had such extreme wealth at the top of the heap in the U.S. I imagine La Belle Epoch has had a similar revival elsewhere. The Middle Eastern Sheikdoms are in a category of their own. Here in California you see parents buying SUVs for their kids to drive to high school.

LStarosta
06-19-2007, 02:31 PM
To high school, I had to drive a car that was older than me. No it wasn't a classic car.

BSS_AIJO
06-19-2007, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
To high school, I had to drive a car that was older than me. No it wasn't a classic car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had to walk, at least it was not up hill both ways in the snow.


BSS_AIJO

ploughman
06-19-2007, 02:49 PM
I was driven to school by one of the servants.

Warrington_Wolf
06-19-2007, 03:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
And you want to know how the "prominent middle-eastern 'entrepreneur'" paid for it?

Edited for the PC kiddies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is the buyer Roman Abramovich (owner of Chelsea FC for anyone outside of the UK).
If he IS the buyer of the A-380, then I have no doubt that he got his money by not so lawful means.

P.S. I wonder what Richard Williams (reporter who coined the name Flying fortress for the B-17) would have made of this gigantic machine.

P.S.S. Environmentalists can chew on turds, global warming is a sham.

MEGILE
06-19-2007, 03:08 PM
Incase you were wondering.. it aint me.

Would be funny if he was Chinese considering the $$$ they are making.

VW-IceFire
06-19-2007, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_AIJO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
To high school, I had to drive a car that was older than me. No it wasn't a classic car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had to walk, at least it was not up hill both ways in the snow.


BSS_AIJO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There was actually a hill on the way to my high school that I walked up and down both ways and sometimes in 3-4 feet of snow. I can totally call that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BrotherVoodoo
06-19-2007, 03:12 PM
I hope they paint a sharks mouth on it.

neural_dream
06-19-2007, 03:13 PM
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!

oFZo
06-19-2007, 03:18 PM
And if you tell the kids today, they don't believe you!

Makabi-
06-19-2007, 03:27 PM
and for a good reason too, since when was gravel edible? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Divine-Wind
06-19-2007, 03:30 PM
Anything is edible.

Now agreeable, that's another story.

horseback
06-19-2007, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
I was driven to school by one of the servants. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I was driven to school by my mother, with a whip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif.

cheers

horseback

SergioRoadster
06-19-2007, 05:43 PM
"Airbus said the individual, "not from Europe or the US""

Must be one of those new chinese millionares.

Does China still is considered a comunist country?
It shure it would be a big paradox a country with a worker exploitation policy of the times of the industrial revolutions and still calling themselfs comunists fighting for the people's rights. And the worst is that the companies in Europe and America are adopting the same methods to make more money.
So... the rich will be even more rich and have extravaganzas like that airbus, and middle class will loose more and more. If this continues, for example, even in America some day middle class people will only afford a piece of **** car like in Europe we only can afford.

LStarosta
06-19-2007, 05:55 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/SheMayLookCleanBut.jpg

BrotherVoodoo
06-19-2007, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">millionares </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
more like billionaires!

Philipscdrw
06-19-2007, 06:24 PM
Give me a Boeing 727 instead. Much prettier aircraft.

Korolov1986
06-19-2007, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Give me a Boeing 727 instead. Much prettier aircraft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I smell something burning.

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
To high school, I had to drive a car that was older than me. No it wasn't a classic car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i GOT MY 1ST CAR @ 18.
it was a 1971 Plymouth Scamp Just like this one:
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/teamverdone/C352Border.JPG
Red w/ black vinal top,(which was ripped & comming off) but didn't have the cool hood scoop or wheels.

In fact it also didn't have any BRAKES, was on 4 bald tires, had more dents than a beer can after a frat party, the muffler saged (eventualluy fell off) so you could here that 318 for about 4 blocks before you ever saw it comming, the front end (steering/suspention was toast. had a dead battery, bad alternator, no radio, busted speakers and only 1 wiper that worked. No lock on the trunk, (the key was a flat head screw driver) and the shocks were gone.

Every one in the Neiborhood called it the "Hoopty mobile)

I gave a hundred bucks for it to a trustee of modern chemistry down the block. 40 of wich had to borrow from my Grand Paw. the other 60 was made by picking up coke bottles & selling htem for the refund & cutting grass & doing odd jobs.

On the plus side.... it had a back seat just big enough to entertain quite a few young ladies. lol the back seat had as many miles on it as the car did the odomiter.

wow good times. hadn't though about that car in years. lol

Badsight-
06-19-2007, 06:35 PM
Sultan of Brunei took delivery of a new 747-700 last year

these are spy pics apparently , no one was allowed to preview the retro-fitting Boeing did for him

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/19975/2002045440190576516_rs.jpg


http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/20642/2002085037958201723_rs.jpg

yes , thats real gold

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 06:40 PM
But back on the subject...i see these 17/18/19 year old kids driving brand new extended cab Chevy Z71's & pulling band new bass boats behind them, or driving the "gehtto balsters" with five thousand doller wheels and tires and a stero that would rival a rock concert...

and i'm think...WTF! I had to work 20 F*cking years to get that!

If you can stomach it....Watch MTV's Sweet Sixteen some time. (yes i know it's MTV) and just look how spoiled those lil bastids are. i mean OMFG.

wow. the big shots get everything and us poor working class blue coller stiffs get the crumbs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

that's bullsh8t. oh don't get me started. Private airliner my @ss. paaaaleese.

Philipscdrw
06-19-2007, 06:44 PM
Well if all America stopped driving SUVs and drove old Mini Coopers instead then you'd use much less petrol and the sheiks wouldn't make so much money by selling the stuff to you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Korolov1986
06-19-2007, 06:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Well if all America stopped driving SUVs and drove old Mini Coopers instead then you'd use much less petrol and the sheiks wouldn't make so much money by selling the stuff to you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You try driving a Mini-Cooper over a rough dirt gravel road, in the rain, while towing 4,000lbs behind you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 06:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Well if all America stopped driving SUVs and drove old Mini Coopers instead then you'd use much less petrol and the sheiks wouldn't make so much money by selling the stuff to you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or how about we just invest a 100 billion in our farmers & ethenol/ bio deasil R&D, open goverment ran E-85 stations nation wide, and start running the whole damn country on Moonshine & french fri greese. Hell with all the godamnd McDonalds in this country we could fuel have the trucking indestry for the next 2 years.
Then we could put the turban wearing oil barrons back in the poor house. abd clean up the enviroment to boot.Persoanlly..i'd like to go back to 88 cent a gallion for fuel.

ElAurens
06-19-2007, 06:55 PM
If I had that kind of cash I'd ring up Boeing and have a new 314 Clipper built.

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/boecommhist/C8O-314.jpg

Fly it to my yacht...

http://www.roblightbody.com/liners/SS-US/ssus.jpg

And go watch my F1 team at Monaco...

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9352/monacosmallsh0.jpg

Be sure.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
06-19-2007, 07:01 PM
Copperhead...

There is not enough cultivatable land in North America to supply our current fuel needs with ethanol.

E85 is a boondoggle of gigantic proportions designed to line the pockets of ADM and Cargill.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 07:01 PM
lol if i had that uch money...the Eagles would be head linning @ my house every sat. night.

out by my olympic size pool....

oh never mind. ain't gonna happen. & since it aint.....it's just too damn depressing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 07:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Copperhead...

There is not enough cultivatable land in North America to supply our current fuel needs with ethanol.

E85 is a boondoggle of gigantic proportions designed to line the pockets of ADM and Cargill.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol go tell that to Brazil.who've managed to run off of sugar cane based E-85 FOR OVER 20 YEARS. seriously.
it'd put a lot of American Farmers back to work.
we need a new Manhatten Prodject. but instead of an A bomb have em work on alternate fules.

SeaFireLIV
06-19-2007, 07:10 PM
Ever get one of those days when you`re just dying to type something about the inequalities of the rich and poor, blah, blah, but for some fateful reason the Pc decides to choke and wait 10 minutes before it`ll let you post?

Then by the time it does let you, you can`t be bothered?

That just happened. A potential 50 page political thread killed by fate.

Philipscdrw
06-19-2007, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
Sultan of Brunei took delivery of a new 747-800 last year

these are spy pics apparently , no one was allowed to preview the retro-fitting Boeing did for him

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/19975/2002045440190576516_rs.jpg


http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/20642/2002085037958201723_rs.jpg

yes , thats real gold </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's crazy talk, the Boeing 747-8 (not -800 for some bizarre reason) is due to fly in 2009!

Gosh, there are many places where gold is nice, but on board an aircraft is not one of them... it's as if His Sultanatiousness has filled the baggage hold with concrete. "Look, I'm so rich I can afford to fly an aircraft full of really heavy things! Think of the fuel and powerplant costs I can bear!"

ElAurens
06-19-2007, 07:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:


lol go tell that to Brazil.who've managed to run off of sugar cane based E-85 FOR OVER 20 YEARS. seriously.
it'd put a lot of American Farmers back to work.
we need a new Manhatten Prodject. but instead of an A bomb have em work on alternate fules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brazil has far fewer automobiles than does the US, and sugar cane is far easier to convert to ethanol than corn. Do a little research my friend. And what are we gonna do when food prices skyrocket because the majority of farms are producing corn for fuel instead of food?

Think man, think.

LStarosta
06-19-2007, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Copperhead...

There is not enough cultivatable land in North America to supply our current fuel needs with ethanol.

E85 is a boondoggle of gigantic proportions designed to line the pockets of ADM and Cargill.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol go tell that to Brazil.who've managed to run off of sugar cane based E-85 FOR OVER 20 YEARS. seriously.
it'd put a lot of American Farmers back to work.
we need a new Manhatten Prodject. but instead of an A bomb have em work on alternate fules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://mag.awn.com/issue10.10/10.10images/goodman02_KingOfTheHill_BBQ.jpg

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 08:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:


lol go tell that to Brazil.who've managed to run off of sugar cane based E-85 FOR OVER 20 YEARS. seriously.
it'd put a lot of American Farmers back to work.
we need a new Manhatten Prodject. but instead of an A bomb have em work on alternate fules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brazil has far fewer automobiles than does the US, and sugar cane is far easier to convert to ethanol than corn. Do a little research my friend. And what are we gonna do when food prices skyrocket because the majority of farms are producing corn for fuel instead of food?

Think man, think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol look this is Alabama man. lol we've been running cars off of moonshine since the damn prohibition. this ain't nothing new.

You split the market. get the researchers @ (& omfg i can't belive i'm saying this) Auburn University to come up with a hybrid corn/ or plant that will produce a higher ethnol yeild than our current food grade corn. regulate the sale of Fuel grade corn, and offer subsidies to farmers who grow food grade corn. Limit the planting seasons to 3 yrs of Fuel grade plants (corn,Sugar Cane)per grower. then next 2 they have to growe a food grade crop or a non fuel grade crop be fore they can plant a fuel grade crop.

FYI ALL crops have to be rotated. IE cotton for a few seasons, corn for a few seasons, penuts for a few and then back to cotton. This is to avoid soil eriotion and conserve the land while ensureing maximum crop yeild @ harvest.

2 things i know a little something about.
Farming & moonshining. My Daddy's family did both. lol

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 08:34 PM
On secong though.....SCZREW AUNBURN. lol
Give the grant money to Tuskegee Univeristy.
Thier only 15 mins down the hiway and have done a better job with less money for just about as many years. besides..they need it worse than that cow collage ever did.

leitmotiv
06-19-2007, 08:37 PM
Something has fundamentally changed in this country when you have an aristocrat like P. Hilton's mother taunting the judge at P. Hilton's sentencing---and getting away with it. A commonsense judge in 1960 would have thrown the book at mother and daughter and put them in the slammer for the summer to cool off. We have become like France in 1750.

neural_dream
06-19-2007, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
Sultan of Brunei took delivery of a new 747-800 last year

these are spy pics apparently , no one was allowed to preview the retro-fitting Boeing did for him

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/19975/2002045440190576516_rs.jpg


http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/20642/2002085037958201723_rs.jpg

yes , thats real gold </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That idiot is still alive?

How handsome, how tasteful, how elegant, how sultanish
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t029/t029406a.jpg

Divine-Wind
06-19-2007, 08:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Something has fundamentally changed in this country when you have an aristocrat like P. Hilton's mother taunting the judge at P. Hilton's sentencing---and getting away with it. A commonsense judge in 1960 would have thrown the book at mother and daughter and put them in the slammer for the summer to cool off. We have become like France in 1750. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nowadays money speaks louder than justice apparently. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

leitmotiv
06-19-2007, 09:11 PM
Every once in a while one of the aristocracy trips and the law snags them and they howl unfair: Martha Stewart, Clinton, the Enron vultures. In all the cases they are stunned to realize that law applies to all, not just the underlings. In time, I'm sure, they will correct this "error."

partic_3
06-19-2007, 10:10 PM
This crack up boom is definately getting long in the tooth. Maybe a few years left, maybe not.
The crash is going to be very ugly.

leitmotiv
06-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Very. I thought it was going to hit this spring when the Chinese boom started to bust, but it keeps going like the Energizer rabbit. I'm in gold. I'm no longer a believer.

Badsight-
06-19-2007, 10:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
That's crazy talk, the Boeing 747-8 (not -800 for some bizarre reason) is due to fly in 2009!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>my bad

-700

Breeze147
06-20-2007, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
I was driven to school by one of the servants. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's right. It was I, Geoffrey Chives, who drove. Little barstad, he was. Drinking ale on the way to class and boffing little 13 year old tarts on the way back to the manor. I peed in his Thermos every chance I had.

leitmotiv
06-20-2007, 06:30 AM
It was I, Hugh Bumfielding, who had to act as his frakkin Lordship's frakkin footstep when 'e gets out of the frakkin car. An' down agin when 'e gets in. Frakkin footstep was I. All I gets was a cheap bottle of port at Christmas. Li'l **********.

neural_dream
06-20-2007, 06:33 AM
Right. It was I, who had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. and Then I had to drive him to school.

Blutarski2004
06-20-2007, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Copperhead...

There is not enough cultivatable land in North America to supply our current fuel needs with ethanol.

E85 is a boondoggle of gigantic proportions designed to line the pockets of ADM and Cargill.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... That's pretty much my take on it.

"America's farmers" is an amusingly quaint term that now describes a gigantic agri-business dominated by the two afore-mentioned companies.

Blutarski2004
06-20-2007, 06:53 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ElAurens:
And what are we gonna do when food prices skyrocket because the majority of farms are producing corn for fuel instead of food?
QUOTE]


CORRECTION - "...what are we gonna do now that food prices have skyrocketed..."

Viper2005_
06-20-2007, 07:06 AM
Size zero was invented for a reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Worf101
06-20-2007, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:


lol go tell that to Brazil.who've managed to run off of sugar cane based E-85 FOR OVER 20 YEARS. seriously.
it'd put a lot of American Farmers back to work.
we need a new Manhatten Prodject. but instead of an A bomb have em work on alternate fules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brazil has far fewer automobiles than does the US, and sugar cane is far easier to convert to ethanol than corn. Do a little research my friend. And what are we gonna do when food prices skyrocket because the majority of farms are producing corn for fuel instead of food?

Think man, think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol look this is Alabama man. lol we've been running cars off of moonshine since the damn prohibition. this ain't nothing new.

You split the market. get the researchers @ (& omfg i can't belive i'm saying this) Auburn University to come up with a hybrid corn/ or plant that will produce a higher ethnol yeild than our current food grade corn. regulate the sale of Fuel grade corn, and offer subsidies to farmers who grow food grade corn. Limit the planting seasons to 3 yrs of Fuel grade plants (corn,Sugar Cane)per grower. then next 2 they have to growe a food grade crop or a non fuel grade crop be fore they can plant a fuel grade crop.

FYI ALL crops have to be rotated. IE cotton for a few seasons, corn for a few seasons, penuts for a few and then back to cotton. This is to avoid soil eriotion and conserve the land while ensureing maximum crop yeild @ harvest.

2 things i know a little something about.
Farming & moonshining. My Daddy's family did both. lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahem, that ALABAMA corn maybe good for nuthin' but runnin' cars, but in N.C. where my Mother's folks hailed from, Brother Figgs Corn was far to good and smooth for something as blaphemous as "internal combustion". Actually when they drank it it was more like internal combustion. Your discussion of crop rotation was/is textbook. Nice to see someone with a practical handle on things.

Da Worfster

Freshman73
06-20-2007, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
But back on the subject...i see these 17/18/19 year old kids driving brand new extended cab Chevy Z71's & pulling band new bass boats behind them, or driving the "gehtto balsters" with five thousand doller wheels and tires and a stero that would rival a rock concert...

and i'm think...WTF! I had to work 20 F*cking years to get that!

If you can stomach it....Watch MTV's Sweet Sixteen some time. (yes i know it's MTV) and just look how spoiled those lil bastids are. i mean OMFG.

wow. the big shots get everything and us poor working class blue coller stiffs get the crumbs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

that's bullsh8t. oh don't get me started. Private airliner my @ss. paaaaleese. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy ****, "five thousand doller wheels and tires", thats worth more than my jeep with a full tank of gas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

P.S. What part of Alabama do you hail from?

M2morris
06-20-2007, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Korolov1986:
I read a similar article in a magazine from some US civil engineer who wanted a similar private mod done.

Seriously... If I had that much money, I'd just contract out to make a replica warbird, and use a King Air for all my traveling needs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree man, exactly.

EiZ0N
06-20-2007, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
P.S.S. Environmentalists can chew on turds, global warming is a sham. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif
1) That's not what the majority of qualified climatologists say, of which you are NOT one.

2) Burning and wasting vast quantities of a precious resource that is fast running out is idiotic, much like your stance on global warming.

StG77_Stuka
06-20-2007, 09:43 PM
Ta H3ll wit ethanol frum corn, feed it to yer horse, dah original slow ride.

AVG_WarHawk
06-20-2007, 10:20 PM
I like ElAurens idea of excess, but I'd be happy with a Storch in the mean timehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/AVG_WarHawk/storch_ovrhd.jpg

Korolov1986
06-20-2007, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG77_Stuka:
Ta H3ll wit ethanol frum corn, feed it to yer horse, dah original slow ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I own a few horses - wow, if everybody started using horses again, I'd make a killing!

"Head on down to Korolov's previously owned horse center - boy, have I got a deal for you!"

Copperhead310th
06-26-2007, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:


lol go tell that to Brazil.who've managed to run off of sugar cane based E-85 FOR OVER 20 YEARS. seriously.
it'd put a lot of American Farmers back to work.
we need a new Manhatten Prodject. but instead of an A bomb have em work on alternate fules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brazil has far fewer automobiles than does the US, and sugar cane is far easier to convert to ethanol than corn. Do a little research my friend. And what are we gonna do when food prices skyrocket because the majority of farms are producing corn for fuel instead of food?

Think man, think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol look this is Alabama man. lol we've been running cars off of moonshine since the damn prohibition. this ain't nothing new.

You split the market. get the researchers @ (& omfg i can't belive i'm saying this) Auburn University to come up with a hybrid corn/ or plant that will produce a higher ethnol yeild than our current food grade corn. regulate the sale of Fuel grade corn, and offer subsidies to farmers who grow food grade corn. Limit the planting seasons to 3 yrs of Fuel grade plants (corn,Sugar Cane)per grower. then next 2 they have to growe a food grade crop or a non fuel grade crop be fore they can plant a fuel grade crop.

FYI ALL crops have to be rotated. IE cotton for a few seasons, corn for a few seasons, penuts for a few and then back to cotton. This is to avoid soil eriotion and conserve the land while ensureing maximum crop yeild @ harvest.

2 things i know a little something about.
Farming & moonshining. My Daddy's family did both. lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahem, that ALABAMA corn maybe good for nuthin' but runnin' cars, but in N.C. where my Mother's folks hailed from, Brother Figgs Corn was far to good and smooth for something as blaphemous as "internal combustion". Actually when they drank it it was more like internal combustion. Your discussion of crop rotation was/is textbook. Nice to see someone with a practical handle on things.

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heheh why do ya think they were carrying it IN THE GAS TANK!!! lol That was Grand paw, Daddy & Unc's way of not gettin g caught. lol no jugs. Stailess steel gas tank... just bleed her off.

Copperhead310th
06-26-2007, 10:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freshman73:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
But back on the subject...i see these 17/18/19 year old kids driving brand new extended cab Chevy Z71's & pulling band new bass boats behind them, or driving the "gehtto balsters" with five thousand doller wheels and tires and a stero that would rival a rock concert...

and i'm think...WTF! I had to work 20 F*cking years to get that!

If you can stomach it....Watch MTV's Sweet Sixteen some time. (yes i know it's MTV) and just look how spoiled those lil bastids are. i mean OMFG.

wow. the big shots get everything and us poor working class blue coller stiffs get the crumbs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

that's bullsh8t. oh don't get me started. Private airliner my @ss. paaaaleese. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy ****, "five thousand doller wheels and tires", thats worth more than my jeep with a full tank of gas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

P.S. What part of Alabama do you hail from? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
lol LA (Lower Alabama)
Monkeytown USA- Aka the Monkey Aka the "Gump" aka Montgomery.

Copperhead310th
06-26-2007, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Korolov1986:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG77_Stuka:
Ta H3ll wit ethanol frum corn, feed it to yer horse, dah original slow ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I own a few horses - wow, if everybody started using horses again, I'd make a killing!

"Head on down to Korolov's previously owned horse center - boy, have I got a deal for you!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Buy now & we'll throw in a moths supply of Alpo! thats right folks Alpo. Americas favoright brand of dog food.

Aaron_GT
06-27-2007, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Or how about we just invest a 100 billion in our farmers & ethenol/ bio deasil R&D </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The USA uses 200 billion gallons of liquid fuels (gasoline, diesel, etc) per year. The production of biodiesel (the most efficient form of production) is around 100 gallons per acre nett from canola, soy, etc. One third of US consumption can be met from US domestic oil production.

So... consumption that would need to be met by biofuels over and above domestic oil production would be 133 billion gallons per annum. This would require 1.3 billion acres, or 2 million square miles entirely covered by biodiesel crops. This is 60% of the entire USA, not accounting for space for people to live, food crops, etc. There isn't enough water and the soils would be exhausted quickly.

US liquid fuel usage is (on average) three times the EU average per capita. If the average US usage tended towards the EU average then little biofuels would be needed as domestic production would provide most of what was needed (US oil production is declining, but at not much more than 1% per year, so it can be handled). Then the use of biofuels would become viable. In other words there needs to be conservation in some form or other in the future.

The other alternatives are:

1. Electric cars.

2. Coal to liquids (which would need to be based on coal bed gassification - there isn't that much coal in the ground as you'd think that can be mined).

3. A revolution in biofuel tech.

4. All of the above.

I'd agree that a $100 billion research project for transport fuels would be a very good idea.

In a way the USA has a good chance in the future - due to multiple disjoint oil fields the decline in production is smooth and reduced to 1% per annum, and it has enough land to grow a good amount of biofuel crops within a single country, but only if consumption is not too much more than that produced by domestic fossil fuel production. It might mean only driving as much as Europeans, but that is thankfully a long way from living in the stone age. Water may be an issue if the climate is changing, as will be soil fertility. Agrichar looks to be a good bet for the latter (and a form of carbon sequestration to boot). It's a problem that can be solved in the USA without immense hardship, which is a good thing. There are probably a lot of business and job opportunities out there on the back of all of this too.