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CAP401
05-20-2004, 04:25 PM
Was there a specfic tpye of plane they used or did they just say to the pilot "Your going to crash your plane into an American carrier. Get going" and whatever that pilot flew was the type he used? I'm just wondering whether the Japanese built planes for the sole purpose of destroying them.

CAP401
05-20-2004, 04:25 PM
Was there a specfic tpye of plane they used or did they just say to the pilot "Your going to crash your plane into an American carrier. Get going" and whatever that pilot flew was the type he used? I'm just wondering whether the Japanese built planes for the sole purpose of destroying them.

p1ngu666
05-20-2004, 04:40 PM
zero's mostly, but yes anything i belive. and there was the rocket suicide thingy, also the appaling suicide torpedeo/mini sub
it damaged 1 ship, 500+died in the things http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
oh they may have not had guns etc. german ramjager 109's had 50 rounds of mg ammo and that was it
well from pilot account i read

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Riceball88
05-20-2004, 04:40 PM
All i know, they flied any of the planes they had. This included zeros, other japanese single engined planes, and sometimes twin engined planes, all loaded with bombs and explosives. THey also had a piloted rocket (flying bomb) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NW-LiteBulb
05-20-2004, 05:00 PM
grim stuff..

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NW-LiteBulb
05-20-2004, 05:01 PM
Also how the hell do you fight a enemy that isnt scared of being killed.. very scary.. for both parties.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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luthier1
05-20-2004, 05:01 PM
The correct answer is "anything that was available". Quite often all of the planes at the airfield would be flown out on kamikaze attacks, leaving remaining pilots with nothing to fly. I'll even make an educated guess and say that pretty much every single plane used by IJA and IJN has been used by kamikazes at some point.

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NW-LiteBulb
05-20-2004, 05:09 PM
It just shows what kind of mentality the japenese had at that time. But i suppose deperate measures for desperate times.

Thank god America didnt try and invade japan.. imagine the losses.. on both sides http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Droopsnoot
05-20-2004, 05:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JohnSky88:
All i know, they flied any of the planes they had. This included zeros, other japanese single engined planes, and sometimes twin engined planes, all loaded with bombs and explosives. THey also had a piloted rocket (flying bomb) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We called the piloted rocket,the "Baka Bomb".

It was dropped from a Betty, and it was timed to blow up 15 minutes after it was released, whether it hit anything or not.

According to what we were told, the pilots were about 15 years old and not taught how to land. They had no parachutes nor did the Baka have landing gear.

While they were learning how to fly, they were treated like heroes, nothing was too good for them. On the night they were to fly,they were given a chocolate bar that was filled with hasheesh, and locked into their Baka, so once dropped by the Betty they might as well try to crash into a B29, for in 15 minutes they were going to blow up anyway.

Their rocket flare looked like a planet, so many a tailgunner wasted his ammo trying to shoot down Venus: However, it is probablr that severl tail gunners got credit for a kill when the Baka blew up, whether he hit it or not!

sugaki
05-20-2004, 05:23 PM
Most if not all types were used in Kamikaze, but some were used less than others, say a Ki-84 or N1K1.

Breakdown of number of IJN planes used in Kamikaze (definitely not a complete list)

Zero: 654
Val: 99
Judy: 169
Ryusei: 16
Kate: 73
Tenzan: 36
Ginga: 108
Betty: 51
Shiragiku (trainer): 54
Ohka: 55

Float planes were even used as kamikaze. The Type Zero observation plane had no hard points to place a bomb, so they attached 250 kg bombs to the floats and sent them off.

Giganoni
05-21-2004, 01:39 AM
I seriously doubt the Goshikisen was ever used for an Official kamikaze run. Many like the 111th Sentai were held from flying to wait for the upcoming invasion. I'm sure ad hoc suicides may have happened.

calculus_kid
05-21-2004, 01:41 AM
I saw a documentry long ago about japanese pilots. One said none of his fellow pilots volenteered to be kamakazis they were ordered to and none of them wanted to die.
Just thought it was interesting that he said this and most of us think they were a just bit crazy.

Anticage
05-21-2004, 01:57 AM
One pilot was not accepted as kamikadze pilot, because he had wife and 3 daughters. He sent another request, but failed again. Now listen - the woman with kids killed theirselves (suicide in a lake I think), so the man could blowhimself in a plane. Very wicked.

*anticage*

sugaki
05-21-2004, 02:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I seriously doubt the Goshikisen was ever used for an Official kamikaze run. Many like the 111th Sentai were held from flying to wait for the upcoming invasion. I'm sure ad hoc suicides may have happened.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

18th Sentai, 244th Sentai, Ashiya-based 59th Sentai, Taiwan's 17th Sentai were all ordered to commence kamikaze attack on transport ship fleets in operation "Ketsugo" from February 1945.

Giganoni
05-21-2004, 03:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sugaki:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I seriously doubt the Goshikisen was ever used for an Official kamikaze run. Many like the 111th Sentai were held from flying to wait for the upcoming invasion. I'm sure ad hoc suicides may have happened.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

18th Sentai, 244th Sentai, Ashiya-based 59th Sentai, Taiwan's 17th Sentai were all ordered to commence kamikaze attack on transport ship fleets in operation "Ketsugo" from February 1945.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The 244th Sentai was not given the Ki-100 until May 1945, and they still had the Ki-61 as well. The 59th again also, no Ki-100 until may 1945, before that and until june they used the Ki-61. 18th did not have the Ki-100 until March 45, having also the Ki-61 until June of that year. The 17th sentai would not get the Ki-100 until June of 45. Again, they had the Ki-61 before and one month after they got the Goshikisen.

So how long did their operation go for? Just February? Then none of those squadrons had the Ki-100 during those times. If it went longer did they expend the older Ki-61s instead? Or first? I would also like to know about this operation, learn something new, so if you could give a brief history that would cool too.

[This message was edited by Giganoni on Fri May 21 2004 at 02:14 AM.]

GODSOCKv2
05-21-2004, 03:48 PM
Yeah...

I remember seeing an interview on a kamikaze pilot that had successfully completed 10 missions.

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CAP401
05-21-2004, 05:09 PM
This is the first time I've had to reply today, so sorry if I'm late. I thought the Japanese were very orderly when it came to sucide missions. Guess not. No wonder they lost. Sending a 15 year old to die indefinatly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Just so the government could get some last minute revenge. And the irony is that all those guys that volunteered for this probably got shot down before he got a hit. I've heard that only 20% or something like that of japanese sucide missions were successful. Sad. I've also heard of german sucide pilots in the Western front. And also Russian sucide attacks. Anyone know about that?

calculus_kid
05-21-2004, 06:14 PM
apparently there was a bunch of 109 pilots who tried suicide missions in very heavily laden planes on bridges in Berlin to stop the russians (who everyone feared) advancing into the city before the Allies. Due to heavey smoke from ground fighting many missed their targets. Others were shot down because they were so overloaded they were like sitting ducks

Mikeg1218
05-22-2004, 04:00 PM
Actually the actions of the Japanese military at that stage in the war wasn't a matter of revenge but more a matter of trying to force the Allies, through massive casulty figures, into a negotiated peace rather then unconditional surrender, with emphsis on maintaing and protecting the Emporer. In that respect,atleast,they succeded which is more then can be said for Hitler's various attempts at the same thing.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CAP401:
This is the first time I've had to reply today, so sorry if I'm late. I thought the Japanese were very orderly when it came to sucide missions. Guess not. No wonder they lost. Sending a 15 year old to die indefinatly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Just so the government could get some last minute revenge. And the irony is that all those guys that volunteered for this probably got shot down before he got a hit. I've heard that only 20% or something like that of japanese sucide missions were successful. Sad. I've also heard of german sucide pilots in the Western front. And also Russian sucide attacks. Anyone know about that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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CAP401
05-22-2004, 07:01 PM
What about the Russians?

goshikisen
05-22-2004, 08:44 PM
There is a very interesting book on the Ohka program and Special Attack Squadrons that I took out from our local library not long ago. Can't recall the publisher but it looked at the program from a historical and engineering/design perspective.

If the Americans had tried to invade the home islands the Japanese intended to launch Ohkas from ramps along the coast... not unlike the system the Germans used to launch V1's. The Japanese were also quite far along with a jet propelled version of the Ohka (the type 22 I believe). Amazingly the Americans captured an example of the type and you can see it at the Air and Space Museum near Dulles in Washington.

Regards, Goshikisen

BeoWolf_361st
05-24-2004, 12:42 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gifThey flew their last mission is what they flew............. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Zeus-cat
05-24-2004, 10:47 AM
The History Channel had a program on several months ago about German suicide missions. The Germans planned to outfit a squadron with piloted V-1s, but the squadron's commanding officer somehow refused to fly the mission (and wasn't shot!!!). He thought suicide attacks were cowardly and dishonorable. I believe the same squadron was eventually given Mistels to fly. They sent a large number to destroy the few bridges across a key river(don't remember the river). The Mistels were to attack after the last German units had crossed the bridge and just before the Russians arrived. Many of the Mistels were shot down, but at least some of them made it and hit the target(s).

The same show had a segment on the squadron of fighters that was sent up to ram B-17s. The pilots were instructed to aim their plane at a B-17 as they flew at it from above and behind. They were suposed to bail out before it hit. The idea was to destroy the B-17 and hope it crashed into others on its way down. This did happen on at least one ocassion. It would also help break up the formation to make the other planes easier targets for the other German fighters. Some of the Germans rammed the bombers head-on without bailing out. These tactics were not very successful as most of the German planes were shot down before they got to the bombers. They did manage to destroy a small number of B-17s, but the cost was very high and the idea was abandoned after a few attempts.

Zeus-cat

sugaki
05-24-2004, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Then none of those squadrons had the Ki-100 during those times. If it went longer did they expend the older Ki-61s instead? Or first? I would also like to know about this operation, learn something new, so if you could give a brief history that would cool too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ketsugo Sakusen was a term to describe reallocation of forces for the home defense, which extends from February to basically the end of the war. I listed the Sentais to show that the Sentais chosen for Kamikaze were the same ones that would be later equipped with Ki-100s, inevitably meaning that Ki-100's would be used.

As for operational data, I can't find any for Ki-100s in kamikaze, partially since they were produced in such small numbers that it's hard to find a lot of info on them.

DuxCorvan
05-24-2004, 04:41 PM
They had also a projected specific suicidal piston-engined plane, the Ki-115 Tsurugi.

It was simple and made of cheap materials, but it was awful to fly, a true krap.

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Ankanor
05-25-2004, 03:14 AM
Tsurugi did not even had a proper landing gear, it was made from metal tubes, without any sort of a compensation system. They had a 250kg bomb attached. To answer the original question, Japanese pilots flew everything they had. Many Zeros, because they had the best speed, needed only one pilot, and had greatest chance of getting through the hordes of American fighters.

Here's a joke for you:
In the Kamikaze camp the instructor says to the future pilots:
"Now, watch very carefully. I will show only once." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

O, how I want to hold you,
To feel your breath
And hear your laughter in my ears.
To look into your eyes
And see myself in there.
Caress you with my lips.
To hold your hands in mine
And find the hidden smile in your dimple
That makes you irresistible
And stops the breathing in my chest.
To be with you when you are weeping,
To wipe away the tears and take away the sorrow.
To watch you while you are sleeping
Like there is no tomorrow.

And with a tender kiss to wake you up.

Essen,23.02.2004 20:53