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stoopidlimey
06-07-2006, 10:09 AM
Who in the heck need the printscreen key, when all you have to do is fly the 25Lb. Spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
It's like cheating all the time.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gifStoopidlimey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

stoopidlimey
06-07-2006, 10:09 AM
Who in the heck need the printscreen key, when all you have to do is fly the 25Lb. Spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
It's like cheating all the time.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gifStoopidlimey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

justflyin
06-07-2006, 10:41 AM
Hmm, a "Limey" complaining about a Spitfire being too good?!?! Wow, your namesake isn't just a callsign, eh? hehehe

GBrutus
06-07-2006, 10:48 AM
I very much doubt he is a 'Limey'.

Viper2005_
06-07-2006, 10:54 AM
Undermodelled fishing is a real problem with this patch. I have charts (which I refuse to post) proving conclusively that previous Spitfire-based fishing threads were superior and have clearly been porked in 4.05! IBTL.

Xiolablu3
06-07-2006, 11:24 AM
You actually fly on servers with the Spitfire 25lbs?

All the good servers ban it on account of it being too good, it doesnt create good, balanced maps.

Only the nooby servers have it enabled, these are the ones you play on Stoopidlimey?

(His name is tailor made to TRY create bad feeling between Yanks and Brits http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-07-2006, 01:11 PM
We just get 3-4 dudes in 190's, climb to the stars and B&Z the **** out of the 25 pounders. Sometimes just 2 190's isn't enough if the Spit jockey is a decent pilot. LOL...he'll scrub all his 'E' and blackout trying to dodge 20mm slugs.


TB

justflyin
06-07-2006, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
We just get 3-4 dudes in 190's, climb to the stars and B&Z the **** out of the 25 pounders. Sometimes just 2 190's isn't enough if the Spit jockey is a decent pilot. LOL...he'll scrub all his 'E' and blackout trying to dodge 20mm slugs.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly the type of sane response I'd expect. Every plane has it's counter. Either another plane directly or by tactics.

There are many LW flyers 'round these parts who can literally dissect even veteran Spitfire jocks. The Spitfire pilots that scare the LW are the ones who are experten B and Z pilots and exist at the same altitude as them. The late-war Spits we have perform very well at high altitudes.

The 25lber fits into it's year in this sim and like most "Pacific Fighters Urban (Uber) Legends", they are quickly dispelled by a man (or woman), not a machine.

Megile_
06-07-2006, 05:32 PM
Cheating is easier than being good

danjama
06-07-2006, 06:19 PM
omfg spit25 ftw fneb f6gogogogo

Clan_Graham
06-07-2006, 06:49 PM
What's a Spit ?


.

danjama
06-07-2006, 07:33 PM
A spit, formed by longshore drift and the eventual movement and building up of sediment.

http://www.hi.is/~oi/Iceland%20Scanned%20Photos/A%20spit%20closes%20marine%20bay,%20Eidi,%20Langan es.jpg

LStarosta
06-07-2006, 08:41 PM
omfg all j00 n00bz r t3h gye.

my f6 pwnz j00r spiet25 + prtscrn!!!11!1

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

justflyin
06-08-2006, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GBrutus:
I very much doubt he is a 'Limey'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, most likely. Isn't "Limey" considered to be a derogatory word? I'm thinking British sailors don't have to eat limes these days to avoid scurvy.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot....Mk. VIII CW for hte win!!!11!11!

danjama
06-08-2006, 08:24 AM
If Limey is derogatory, then so is Yank, Kiwi and many more...

I find Limey in no way offensive. But, maybe i'm way off the mark!

justflyin
06-08-2006, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
If Limey is derogatory, then so is Yank, Kiwi and many more...

I find Limey in no way offensive. But, maybe i'm way off the mark! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so it's just a nickname now for a British bloke? I didn't want to offend. Although, I am very good at offending, I usually prefer to take the high road. Thanks for the info.

danjama
06-08-2006, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justflyin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
If Limey is derogatory, then so is Yank, Kiwi and many more...

I find Limey in no way offensive. But, maybe i'm way off the mark! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so it's just a nickname now for a British bloke? I didn't want to offend. Although, I am very good at offending, I usually prefer to take the high road. Thanks for the info. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i bet hes american http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

justflyin
06-08-2006, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justflyin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
If Limey is derogatory, then so is Yank, Kiwi and many more...

I find Limey in no way offensive. But, maybe i'm way off the mark! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so it's just a nickname now for a British bloke? I didn't want to offend. Although, I am very good at offending, I usually prefer to take the high road. Thanks for the info. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i bet hes american http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, of course. You can tell by my ace spelling and impeccable grammar. I'm very organized. hehe

BfHeFwMe
06-08-2006, 11:37 AM
Every egomaniacal pantie waste pilot must create a boggieman to excuse his own failures as another virtual pilots target drone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Akronnick
06-08-2006, 01:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gifALL YOUR BASE ARE BELOMG TO US!111ELEVENTYONE1!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

stoopidlimey
06-09-2006, 06:46 AM
I tried it, the 25lb spitfire is much faster/ better than printscreen...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Stoopidlimey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

justflyin
06-09-2006, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Every egomaniacal panty waist pilot must create a boogieman to excuse his own failures as another virtual pilot's target drone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zing!!!! Good one.

(Had to edit your spelling, sorry.)

ploughman
06-09-2006, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justflyin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
If Limey is derogatory, then so is Yank, Kiwi and many more...

I find Limey in no way offensive. But, maybe i'm way off the mark! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so it's just a nickname now for a British bloke? I didn't want to offend. Although, I am very good at offending, I usually prefer to take the high road. Thanks for the info. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i bet hes american http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hristo?

mortoma1958
06-09-2006, 06:08 PM
I don't understand this "printscreen" thing. Is it an online thing?? I'm offliner here so it must be an insider thing with onliners!?!?!?!

ploughman
06-10-2006, 05:16 AM
I think it's an on-whine cheat, when you're in a tight spot you hit 'print screen' and you lag/crash the server or something like that, allowing you to get clean away, so to speak.

F6_Ace
06-10-2006, 05:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stoopidlimey:
I tried it, the 25lb spitfire is much faster/ better than printscreen...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Stoopidlimey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spit is modelled very well in this game, particularly the energy retention and engine overheat. Oh, and the nose wrt the 3D model

My spit has no nose.
How does it smell?
Terrible.

My spit has no wings at certain draw distances.
How does it smell?
That's irrelevant.

NancyBoyOnYer6
06-10-2006, 09:53 AM
I like the 25Lb. Spitfire, I can get real close and personal to someones behind. Just the way I like it...mmmmmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

NancyBoyOnYer6 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brain32
06-10-2006, 10:26 AM
Flying a Spit25 is booooooooring, you really have to want to be shot down for that to actually happen, since that monster showed up I started to have a massive respect increasement for La7 pilots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

rnzoli
06-10-2006, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
I think it's an on-whine cheat, when you're in a tight spot you hit 'print screen' and you lag/crash the server or something like that, allowing you to get clean away, so to speak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
pressing printscreen will save a screenshot both online and offline

due to the access to the hard disk, a small lag can occur in the game

online, this will case a small warping for others, because your position updates from your PC will drop out, and everyone else, including the pilot on your six, will see your position "estimated" only by the server. during hard manouvers, this will cause big jumps in position, ruining aiming and possibly an overshoot

in the old days, printscreen could be exploited heavily, pressing many times in a row. today it is limited, about 10 times in a minute or something, to avoid this online. it's not so popular cheat as it seemed to be, especially there are other ones that work with less hassle:
- transfer of large files (modem)
- interrupting packets with cable pull-out/plug in (modem)
- launching/exiting programs on your PC (DSL)
- interrupting packets with routing change (DSL)

most good servers have tight anti-cheat packet detection, so unsophisticated, average cheaters are kicked

unfortunately it is impossible to know, whether the packet drop was intentional, or just accident (e.g., PC low on memory, bad quality ISP etc.), so tight anti-cheat servers also kick a high number of good people as well, with low quality rig/internet connection

Monty_Thrud
06-10-2006, 11:05 AM
Personally i http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif the 25Lbs Spitfire

I wish, even moreso now that the XIV was here

And i'm noticing that warping of enemy aircraft more and more these days....always when you get on their six...glad i've still got offline...the AI doesn't whine about the 25Lber

And the G2 still outturns the MkIX and turns with the V when it shouldn't... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

fordfan25
06-10-2006, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stoopidlimey:
Who in the heck need the printscreen key, when all you have to do is fly the 25Lb. Spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
It's like cheating all the time.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gifStoopidlimey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>agreed.

TX-Gunslinger
06-10-2006, 01:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justflyin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
We just get 3-4 dudes in 190's, climb to the stars and B&Z the **** out of the 25 pounders. Sometimes just 2 190's isn't enough if the Spit jockey is a decent pilot. LOL...he'll scrub all his 'E' and blackout trying to dodge 20mm slugs.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly the type of sane response I'd expect. Every plane has it's counter. Either another plane directly or by tactics.

There are many LW flyers 'round these parts who can literally dissect even veteran Spitfire jocks. The Spitfire pilots that scare the LW are the ones who are experten B and Z pilots and exist at the same altitude as them. The late-war Spits we have perform very well at high altitudes.

The 25lber fits into it's year in this sim and like most "Pacific Fighters Urban (Uber) Legends", they are quickly dispelled by a man (or woman), not a machine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never were truer statements uttered in this forum.

The most dangerous low-wingloaded flyers in this sim, are also the most dangerous high-wingloaded flyers.

With regards to individual aircraft, it's all about 'E' retention and flying a specific aircraft towards it's strengths, and away from it's weaknesses.

Team-tactics, communications, and the collective and enhanced situational awareness that results, is the force-multiplier that will kill anything from 25lb Spit monster to ME-262.

The very best Spit, La and Yak drivers, actually fly their A/C in a manner very similar to the best Blue flyers. They use the horizontal and vertical constantly, always manuvering in the four dimensions with the priority of keeping 'E'.

The 25lb Spitfire, much like the Dora, is only applicable to a limited number of scenario's between 39-45. Therefore you should'nt encounter it all that much, unless of course you're flying on "gaming" servers.

Nothing wrong with "gaming" servers, but if that's your bag, maybe you should consider flying the 25lb Spit or La-7 or whatever aircraft is routinely eating your lunch. I promise you this, if you're trying to become Eric Hartmann, Josef Priller or Eric Rudorffer without the historical setting, you're in for a very frustrating experience.

Same holds true for Red pilots, Yellow pilots, Green pilots or whatever.

For myself, I've finally reached the point where I'm not going to support servers which allow non-historical plane mixes and/or weak mission objectives.

Many frustrated folks would do well to focus more effort on server admins than on 1C. We have only one sim maker, but a glut of non-populated servers, which quite frankly are administrated by fellows who are slightly more focused on "domain control" rather than building something others will enjoy. A significant part of that enjoyment is historical plane matchups and appropriate objectives, which go far to remove the dissention between the Reds and Blues.

S~

Gunny

P.S. - After a six month break in the sim, I must say that, IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK HOME!

VFS-22_SPaRX
06-10-2006, 03:38 PM
I really cannot believe that people still feel that the Spit25 is some kind of flying wonder. Its a damn fine plane, no doubt about that. But it is not the best plane in the game. It has its weaknesses just like every other plane in the sim. I have never considered the Spit25 to be unbeatable nor will I ever. Proper tatics win every battle. Same goes here

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Many frustrated folks would do well to focus more effort on server admins than on 1C. We have only one sim maker, but a glut of non-populated servers, which quite frankly are administrated by fellows who are slightly more focused on "domain control" rather than building something others will enjoy. A significant part of that enjoyment is historical plane matchups and appropriate objectives, which go far to remove the dissention between the Reds and Blues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't say how many times I have seen statements like this. Instead of criticizing, why not offer to become active in the server of your choice. The reason that many of the servers become stale is because server admins have limited time as well. They do not have the time to dedicated to a server that is required to keep it fresh. Or better yet, start your own server and produce the enviornment you enjoy. Just remember, what you find enjoyable is not always what everyone else finds enjoyable.

TX-Gunslinger
06-10-2006, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
I really cannot believe that people still feel that the Spit25 is some kind of flying wonder. Its a damn fine plane, no doubt about that. But it is not the best plane in the game. It has its weaknesses just like every other plane in the sim. I have never considered the Spit25 to be unbeatable nor will I ever. Proper tatics win every battle. Same goes here

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Many frustrated folks would do well to focus more effort on server admins than on 1C. We have only one sim maker, but a glut of non-populated servers, which quite frankly are administrated by fellows who are slightly more focused on "domain control" rather than building something others will enjoy. A significant part of that enjoyment is historical plane matchups and appropriate objectives, which go far to remove the dissention between the Reds and Blues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't say how many times I have seen statements like this. Instead of criticizing, why not offer to become active in the server of your choice. The reason that many of the servers become stale is because server admins have limited time as well. They do not have the time to dedicated to a server that is required to keep it fresh. Or better yet, start your own server and produce the enviornment you enjoy. Just remember, what you find enjoyable is not always what everyone else finds enjoyable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


1. Go back through my post history and find one criticsm directed at any server, particularly yours.
2. Just looked through my bank records since 2003, and tallied up over $500.00 in server donations across the community.
3. I have contributed to several servers over my time in the sim with missions, attendance and many hours of "camping" trying to build attendance.


You have built, along with your particpating squadrons and collaborators, one of the best populated and fun servers in the simulation. Your missions, from my experience are all objective based with many historical oriented missions. I can particularly recall many of JV44-Rall's scenarios that I have enjoyed. I used to fly W/C alot more, before becoming involved in other server and team projects and enjoyed my time there tremendously. I hope I'm still welcome there, if I choose to visit, or fly there more regularly. While I can see no historical scenario in which a Do-335 should be used in, it's one of the most beautiful cockpits in the game, and sometime I'd like to fly it on-line.

Just because you or I deem an aircraft to be "balanced" or a "non-wonder" does not in fact alter what many may think. Non-historical matchups have the potential of producing incorrect conclusions from users. I've been around a long time, just like you. I've seen servers which advertise "historical", which in fact contain so much bias on one side or the other that they are laughable. It is perception that drives this entire community, Il2 sales to server participation.

This is my point, period. If a user is upset at what they percieve to be the relative performance of one particular aircraft against another, then they should consider the context of the mission and server particulars. If the scenario is not to the letter with respect to date/time/location/weather/force laydown and available forces, then it's almost impossible to judge outcomes. Server admins control the scenario, not 1C. What's wrong with pointing that out?

I'm certainly not saying there should'nt be diversity in the server family. I just believe that the USER should consider the context before accusing a fellow pilot on the other side of cheating, flying uber aircraft or other such nonsense.

What I'm tired of is the continual whining on all sides, particularly on comms and chat. I fly Red aircraft much more now than in the past. I can see the Red issues as clearly as I have previously seen the Blue. The obvious singularity to me of most whines is usually a lack of experience (both sides), knowlege of detailed history (both sides) and just plain poor behavior and lack of ego control. I have still have some issues with Focke-Wulf performance (A4/A8) mostly, but the difference is now that I see valid issues with Yak-9's, P-51's, P-38's, P-47's and many, many more A/C. In the end, I believe we are all screwed fairly equally. This is a good thing.

The historical settings that I've been flying lately have given me, at least some peace in this regard and I'm probably just a little caught up in it. It does appear to me to limit bad behavior.

To push back at you now, do you know all servers and all admins? I was'nt even thinking about W/C when I wrote this. I have never seen more empty servers in my time. Many folks that I know who are'nt flying this sim now, are not participating due to percieved balance between planes. They may cite non-attendance due to life conflicts (in some cases true), but in many cases it's burn-out from carrying too high an expectation of a single aircraft type or nationality for too long.

I hope I've cleared up for you, what I meant. I have a great respect for what you've accomplished and the many hours of uncompensated work and creativity you've dedicated to the community. I, in no way intended to offend you and perhaps should have considered how you might view it.

You Sparx, are not all server admins. That's why your server works.

S~

Gunny

VFS-22_SPaRX
06-10-2006, 06:22 PM
Gun,

This is one reason I hate forums. There is so much that can be read into a forum post. Those comments were really directed at you and did not view your post as being directed at WC or myself.. I have always enjoyed your presence in the community and enjoyed flying with and against you. Got no idea why you would think you are not welcome on WC. Believe me, if you are not welcome on the server, you know it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. We are not sneaky people http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What I was trying to get across is, instead of sitting in forums and complainging, become active in the server of your choice. I made these comments as a suggestion as to what you can do as apposed to just sitting in a forum and complaining. Have seen it 100's of times. Everyone has the "idea" but doesn't want to be part of the "solution". People are good at saying do "this" or "that", but never very good at stepping up to the plate and doing it themselves. Instead they would rather just push all this onto server admins and "expect" them to provide them with what they want.

Again Gun, sorry if you took my post the wrong way, it was not intended to be directed at you personally. Just ingeneral.

Xiolablu3
06-10-2006, 06:46 PM
I thinkt SParX meant that his comments were NOT directed at you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He just missed the word out of his first sentence.

TX-Gunslinger
06-10-2006, 07:35 PM
Oh, thank god.

Me too, me too. General comments that is.

I get a little anxious when I believe I've offended a friend, particularly one I admire

See you soon! Keep me a Mustang MkIII, 25lb Spit ,Ta 152 or Do-335 in the garage.

I love driving exotics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Salute!

Gun