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Wepps
11-04-2007, 06:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASpqx0t0rio

As the story goes, just before this footage was taken, Hartmann entered the bunker and saw a hat on the rack. When he put it on, it was so large it covered half his face, to which he commented something of the sort of "the head to which this belongs..."

Turns out it was Hitler's hat lol.

Wepps
11-04-2007, 06:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASpqx0t0rio

As the story goes, just before this footage was taken, Hartmann entered the bunker and saw a hat on the rack. When he put it on, it was so large it covered half his face, to which he commented something of the sort of "the head to which this belongs..."

Turns out it was Hitler's hat lol.

Deadmeat313
11-04-2007, 09:32 AM
Good find. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hartmann looks nervous, and a bit tired. I also noted he did an awful nazi salute, with his elbow sticking out sideways. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T.

Wepps
11-04-2007, 10:21 AM
He was suffering a major hangover, they had to coffee him up for the meeting.

ptg101
11-06-2007, 06:34 AM
That first nazi salute with his arm out sideways looks very half-hearted - almost more like a normal martial salute (if his arm was brought further to his head thus completing it). Perhaps that was the intention? It seems only for the cameras - which are, after all, for a propagande film. I know of German officers who prefered a military salute to the political 'Nazi' salute. It depended on who was around as to which they did. Note that under the gaze of the Fuhrer, he does a more solid Nazi salute! In spite of this, I believe there is no record of Hartmann being a Nazi.

Wepps
11-06-2007, 07:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ptg101:
That first nazi salute with his arm out sideways looks very half-hearted - almost more like a normal martial salute (if his arm was brought further to his head thus completing it). Perhaps that was the intention? It seems only for the cameras - which are, after all, for a propagande film. I know of German officers who prefered a military salute to the political 'Nazi' salute. It depended on who was around as to which they did. Note that under the gaze of the Fuhrer, he does a more solid Nazi salute! In spite of this, I believe there is no record of Hartmann being a Nazi. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't really matter who was a NAZI either way. They all flew for Germany.

It would be like English pilots saying "In defense of England. We'll work out our internal problems later."

His father was against the war, that's known. That must have certainly been an influence on him. He defended Germany and his own actions even in his 10 years in Siberia.

I think the common theme in the German military was comradeship, not ideology. They fought for their comrades next to them. That's not to say some didn't 'believe' in the ideology, but I don't think they were in the majority.

HotelBushranger
11-06-2007, 08:07 AM
I find it easy to recognise him in his early days, as compared to the more recent documentaries that he's feature in.

And yes, he looked hung over http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ptg101
11-07-2007, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> It doesn't really matter who was a NAZI either way. They all flew for Germany.

It would be like English pilots saying "In defense of England. We'll work out our internal problems later."

His father was against the war, that's known. That must have certainly been an influence on him. He defended Germany and his own actions even in his 10 years in Siberia.

I think the common theme in the German military was comradeship, not ideology. They fought for their comrades next to them. That's not to say some didn't 'believe' in the ideology, but I don't think they were in the majority. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree entirely. My motive for that post was to point out that I thought Hartmann was not a Nazi, as in my experience people usually stigmatise German servicemen for this in spite of their war record. I find this an ignorant view. Firstly, not all Germans were Nazis and secondly your point that they were all fighting for Germany covers the issue nicely.

I am not a German, but in studying history, I tire of the subjectivity toward the military history of that nation during WWII.

To conclude my point, he was a great fighter pilot. That's it.