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TacticalYak3
12-07-2004, 07:15 AM
Curious if anyone else have noticed an increase in flat spinning the I-16 since PF/patches? I must have done this like 3-4 times now. Can't remember the last time prior to PF/patches.

Guess I must be extra careful with low speed with her now. Most frustrating is my inability to tip her nose down in these spins. Almost shot down a Zero last night online until I once again got messed up in a flat spin. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Regards,
TactS!

Tooz_69GIAP
12-07-2004, 07:33 AM
Blasphemy!!! How can you call this lovely little cheeky plane a RATA!!??!!??????

It is an Ishak!!!!!

TacticalYak3
12-07-2004, 08:55 AM
Indeed mate - them there be the enemies' words. What a great little plane that could, eh?

Yes, for the fun of it I was flying around on a server with lots of La-7's, Yak-3's, Ki's, and Zero's (plus a bunch of other more "modern" planes). Armed with rockets I felt pretty comfortable, except that water eventually did me in. Didn't see that coming - stupid stall. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt_Haddock
12-07-2004, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Blasphemy!!! How can you call this lovely little cheeky plane a RATA!!??!!??????
It is an Ishak!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or a Mosca... but definitely not a Rata http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
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p1ngu666
12-07-2004, 12:20 PM
i think they made it MUCH worse with pf, i dunno why http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ColoradoBBQ
12-07-2004, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i think they made it MUCH worse with pf, i dunno why http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think most of the early planes get into flat spins due to their slow speeds now. Got into a flat spin in a P-40 B and an Emil which could not get out off.

Korolov
12-07-2004, 02:49 PM
Don't think I've noticed much change since the last version of IL-2 in the Donkey. What a awesome little plane! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Snoop_Baron
12-07-2004, 03:28 PM
Join me Wednesday and I'll show you how to fly it *right* Tact! :lol: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif jk

It's a great little plane and we shouldn't call it the Rat. Donkeys are much cuter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can't comment on it changing in PF haven't flown it much. I found I could get into some wicked spins with AEP though.

s!
Snoop

Von-Wand
12-07-2004, 03:47 PM
Hi All,
i've noticed the "A" series FW190 seems to flat spin alot more than before as well, i know they are abit twitchy anyway. It just seems alot worse.

3.JG51_BigBear
12-07-2004, 04:10 PM
Stalling seems to have gone up across the board but the early war fighters got it the worst. I-16 is still a great little plane. When it comes to the **** plans though I'm partial to the B-239, which is stalling much more than it used to.

Willey
12-07-2004, 04:19 PM
I like it. That's actually why it's called Ishak.

p1ngu666
12-07-2004, 04:55 PM
thought it was cos it was a workhorse of a plan, carryin a load like a donkey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

anyways thought they had toned down roll rate, turn, and dive speed is well low http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

and u right on early planes, the p40b is a utterly **** ride

PBNA-Boosher
12-07-2004, 05:18 PM
My Ishak has a first name...
it's M-O-S-C-A
My Ishak has a second name...

SeaFireLIV
12-07-2004, 06:20 PM
Just started a new Eastern front campaign in the I16. Not had a flat spin yet and I did some tight, low turns - you may be pulling too hard.... Shot down one F2, but boy, it was hard catching up any other Jerry after that! I chased one German plane for 10 minutes and I never caught him!

TacticalYak3
12-07-2004, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Just started a new Eastern front campaign in the I16. Not had a flat spin yet and I did some tight, low turns - you may be pulling too hard.... Shot down one F2, but boy, it was hard catching up any other Jerry after that! I chased one German plane for 10 minutes and I never caught him! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably my favourite component of Russian campaigns is flying the I-16, especially with rockets.

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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I have never flown real planes, nor do I know enough about planes to determine if X flies correctly in the game. My observation is strictly from past experience flying her, which I have flown the I-16 a lot through the various patches and game upgrades (i.e., AEP/PF). In a way a nice new challenge to fine tune one's flying style.

Firestorm07
12-08-2004, 01:27 PM
I think that the snap spin it goes into is now un-characteristic of the little beast that is the I-16

If it has been so different for so long, what makes this version right?

It just does not seem to handle right at low speeds anymore. I've also found that flat spins are rarer, while roll spins which are much easier to get out of are much more frequent.

Very un-I16 for me.

p1ngu666
12-08-2004, 04:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif @ seafires pic

ya firestorm, seems less alive now.

was always ____ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif____ for i16 and ______ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif_____ for 109 when he saw i16, quickly changes to _____ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif_____ for 109
then ____http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif____ as 109 gets shot down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

___ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif___ last look as i16 flashes past.

Firestorm07
12-08-2004, 06:51 PM
Mind you, very few people on this planet would know what it feels like in RL, so as Stiglr said on a similar post on Oleg's Ready Room, the only relevant point is "What is right?"

This may be the correct incarnation for the Rata, however I have a gut feeling (yes, I know, thats barely reliable at the very least) that the current handling is not quite spot on.

If it is, then I'll be happier than I was pre-PF. Some sort of confirmation would be nice, but watch what you wish for I guess, you could get flamed!

Regards,

Firestorm07