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AFJ_Locust
12-22-2004, 11:24 PM
Ive been noticing a disturbing pattern last few months....

In Warclouds {Wich is a great server btw} blue team (you know who you are) Seem to just want to BabySit there base the fighters that is....

I already know the rebuttle to this is going to be "Well theres enemys above our base & we cant get away" Well thats an excuse imo to hang out together like a roost of chickens just waiting for the 1 or 2 foolish Red team Players to come to your base where 8 or 9 Blue_team guys jump the 2 & gang rape them... Sure thats all well & good sometimes but its getting to a rather redicules point, where every time I land & take off & fly around I cant find any blue to fight at all!!! There all wanking it at there base...

Would ya mind comeing out and fighting for a change Blue_team???

PS If your not one of the many BlueBaseBabysitters Just Ignore this post.

actionhank1786
12-23-2004, 12:47 AM
Then get 10-12 Foolish reds and go wipe the floors.
Problem solved.
Or fly the Pe-8 and drop the FAB-5000

WUAF_Badsight
12-23-2004, 02:09 AM
its been happening for a while now

always having to travel to the blues to find a fight

or people being shot down is always close to the blue bases

WOLFMondo
12-23-2004, 03:20 AM
The amount of A20's and B25's that head out for runway bombing sometimes out numbers the fighters and bombers going for objectives.

Its odd though cause blue always usually wins the maps due to pilot/plane kills. When theres a blue objective to be had by red it seems few people actually want to go for them, they'd rather carpet bomb blue bases.

WUAF_Toad
12-23-2004, 03:21 AM
Wouldn't that make it easier for the red team to complete the objective? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ElAurens
12-23-2004, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Toad:
Wouldn't that make it easier for the red team to complete the objective? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I recallthe objective is usually very close to the blue (or red) base, so they are just playing defence, and the tactic works. It's boring, but it works. The Woody Hayes(American college football coach, for those that don't know) playbook applied to flight sims.

VBF-83_Hawk
12-23-2004, 06:59 AM
Locust, its pretty simple.

They hang out there because the reds keep comming. Remove the "food stamps" and they will go elsewere!

Cragger
12-23-2004, 07:06 AM
Just do what I did when I played more often. Load up on rockets and bombs in a P-47 and remove their flak defense. Then their base doesn't offer them any protection and its a guarenteed place to find a lower flying bandit once you've used the flight time to get altitude.

BBB_Hyperion
12-23-2004, 08:10 AM
The reason is easy when damaged or killed they can take off fast in the cover of other high flyers .)

While every plane lost or damaged on red site needs a long way to come back or crashland in enemy territory.

But no worry saw both sites doing this.

WOLFMondo
12-23-2004, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Toad:
Wouldn't that make it easier for the red team to complete the objective? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if no one goes for the objectiveshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When ever a map ends 99% of the time its because blue completed there pilot or plane kill objectives....so no, it doesn't make it easier, it makes it much harder on those who want to complete the objective and much easier on blue to find and kill small groups or lone red pilots while there present en masse around there base.

NervousEnergy
12-23-2004, 08:52 AM
Red on Warclouds always seem far more eager to engage in A to A rather than persue mission objectives, and this is from one who usually flies red on the WF.

Though in those days right after PF's release when WC was the only large server running 3.0 and running a Pacific map, I only flew blue, as blue was always massively outnumbered, and the fight was ALWAYS near the blue island or carriers. The outnumbered side will usually always have the fight brought to them, and I notice that while it isn't as bad as on the Pacific maps, blue is still usually outnumbered by a player or two.

Never understood that on the PF maps, either. The Biff and FW can be tricky to fly and take a lot of practice to fly well, but the Frank was an absolute dream to take up. Too bad nobody wants to play the Pacific anymore.

VF-10_Nervous; Cap'n Hook

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Toad:
Wouldn't that make it easier for the red team to complete the objective? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you would think so but since Red team Normaly cant work as a TEAM in the real sence its not so easy & since Blue_teams targets to defend are so close normaly to there base they just wait untill they see the FBD report target loses then they skip on over to there tgt & start whaking bombers....... then if any red comes to defend the bombers 85% of them blue devils just runaway back to there base where 9 0r 10 Blues are Hovering above there base just waiting there like goofballs, I mean sure its good to have someone on CAP but 10 of you on cap ??? or more ?

Whats more amazing to me is that the Germans now have without a doubt the best fighter AC in the sim PERIOD. But they wont use them LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just stay @ your base we are coming to get you!

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
The amount of A20's and B25's that head out for runway bombing sometimes out numbers the fighters and bombers going for objectives.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This imho IS A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM The Germans know that BIG Lumbering bombers are coming to there bases to strike so they just wiat at there base to clober thos bombers with BIG GUN A9's & K4S with wingpods, Im not makeing this stuff up, Sure the Germans are just protecting there base but obviousley if the Noobs in the bombers would STOP flying to there freekin base the Blues would eventualy have to go out & Hunt for tgt's to shoot instead of babysitting there base.

STOP FLYING TO THE BLUE BASE RED TEAM !!!!

ATTACK THE OBJECTIVE'S THATS WHY SPARKS PUTS THEM IN !!!!

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cragger:
Just do what I did when I played more often. Load up on rockets and bombs in a P-47 and remove their flak defense. Then their base doesn't offer them any protection and its a guarenteed place to find a lower flying bandit once you've used the flight time to get altitude. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya 4 of us AFJ finaly started doing this tactic

2xp38 killing flack/20mil & 2 fighters providing cover It was very effective.

Infact I caught that FW in my sig landing while destroying there 20mil/88's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Then get 10-12 Foolish reds and go wipe the floors.
Problem solved.
Or fly the Pe-8 and drop the FAB-5000 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviousley you dont fly in WC much

Aztek_Eagle
12-23-2004, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Ive been noticing a disturbing pattern last few months....

In Warclouds {Wich is a great server btw} blue team (you know who you are) Seem to just want to BabySit there base the fighters that is....

I already know the rebuttle to this is going to be "Well theres enemys above our base & we cant get away" Well thats an excuse imo to hang out together like a roost of chickens just waiting for the 1 or 2 foolish Red team Players to come to your base where 8 or 9 Blue_team guys jump the 2 & gang rape them... Sure thats all well & good sometimes but its getting to a rather redicules point, where every time I land & take off & fly around I cant find any blue to fight at all!!! There all wanking it at there base...

Would ya mind comeing out and fighting for a change Blue_team???

PS If your not one of the many BlueBaseBabysitters Just Ignore this post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

are you stupid or what....... the bases have more than 20 pilots at onces... it is obious that if u atack a base because u r a vulcher ****** there will normaly 2 or 3 taking off... sometimes 5 or 6.... so it is not surprise that u will always find enemy at enemy bases,... i find that to at red bases, i do one fast atack, and run away... i dont spect the enemy i find at enemy base explit and fly in diferent directions

x__CRASH__x
12-23-2004, 10:10 AM
A lot of folks just want to dog fight. Most the DF's I've seen have been at a middle ground, but some have been over either of the most populate bases. I haven't seen too much camping by either side to think it is a problem.

About the objectives, I've flown to a target to move mud and only encounter AAA. Not a enemy fighter to be seen. Which is just fine with me.

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aztek_Eagle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Ive been noticing a disturbing pattern last few months....

In Warclouds {Wich is a great server btw} blue team (you know who you are) Seem to just want to BabySit there base the fighters that is....

I already know the rebuttle to this is going to be "Well theres enemys above our base & we cant get away" Well thats an excuse imo to hang out together like a roost of chickens just waiting for the 1 or 2 foolish Red team Players to come to your base where 8 or 9 Blue_team guys jump the 2 & gang rape them... Sure thats all well & good sometimes but its getting to a rather redicules point, where every time I land & take off & fly around I cant find any blue to fight at all!!! There all wanking it at there base...

Would ya mind comeing out and fighting for a change Blue_team???

PS If your not one of the many BlueBaseBabysitters Just Ignore this post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

are you stupid or what....... the bases have more than 20 pilots at onces... it is obious that if u atack a base because u r a vulcher ****** there will normaly 2 or 3 taking off... sometimes 5 or 6.... so it is not surprise that u will always find enemy at enemy bases,... i find that to at red bases, i do one fast atack, and run away... i dont spect the enemy i find at enemy base explit and fly in diferent directions <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eagle I would not be makeing this post if that was the case, I go fly around for 30 min or so then finaly get bored & go take a peek by the blue base theres 20 of them CAPING in not fighting not doing anything just hovering around by there base just waiting & watching....

It went on ALL night lastnight BLUES will not engadge & Red team players just keep sending them big fat jucy b25s, instead of attacking the tgts so of corse thoes blues are gona just loiter @ there base waiting for a free meal.

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
About the objectives, I've flown to a target to move mud and only encounter AAA. Not a enemy fighter to be seen. Which is just fine with me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Gee wiz I wish I had your luck, Every time I go to Objective, theres at least 2 Germans there waiting to crush me into small parts & of corse theres no Fighter cover because red team cant read the brief & follow orders, So attacking Objective is dam near pointless, unless I have squadron mates flying my wing, then its preaty nice. If Red team Fighters would cap the target areas at about 3000m some higher some lower we could have some real bang up fun but this base hugging noncence is a fact & im not hear wrighting this because it happend 1 time, WC server was a blast for a while but lamo tactics are now inplace & its loosing its appeal fast.

If I just wanted to DF I can find another server to do that on. WC is for people who can read & follow orders or at least it used to be. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Mysticpuma2003
12-23-2004, 10:29 AM
Well if I'm not escorting a bomber to a target I'll usually load up my P-47 and head for the target myself. But as I've just said 'myself', I wish more flyers would use teamspeak to work together.

That said, when teamspeak is in full flow,with radio chatter going on all around, it's so close to being real...it's scary.

I don't mind the Blues all gathering around there base to be honest, it just makes it easier for my boom and zoom tactics to take out more than one plane in an attack!

Still each pilot to their own style. If they want to be cannon fodder, I say "that's ok with me!"

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-23-2004, 11:45 AM
For every tactic there is a counter tactic. You can come in higher with more E and drag them away. You can do what has been suggested and go in with specific objectives (i.e. eliminating AA, etc,..) or simply ignore them.

A steady stream of bait will only keep the sharks in the area where they get fed.

I fly WC on occassion and enjoy it more for the DF it offers. It seems to me the majority of flyers who frequent WC simply want to duke-it-out and not necessarily "win" the map.

Until the mentality of the clientele changes expect more of the same. That being said, expect blues to camp and expect reds to trickle in like lambs to slaughter...unless they change their tactics.


TB

Kootenai
12-23-2004, 12:36 PM
My thoughts mirror TB's. I don't fly at Warclouds a lot but I have from time to time and the focus seems to be on dogfighting more than on team play or winning the map. I don't want to come across as bashing Warclouds. If you're looking for a quick fight with no strings attached it's great but I've never gotten much of a feeling of being involved in a larger effort there. If you really like flying near-full-real (cockpit on, no externals, limited icons) and want to experience some good team play I think Greatergreen is hard to beat. That's where I usually fly and more often than not one or both sides is actually trying to achieve their objectives. The maps and missions are varied with a nice range of planesets.

A couple examples from last night: I and another La5 were escorting three A-20s to the target zone. Inside enemy lines we got jumped by two or three enemy fighters. I got on the tail of one of the Germans, figuring I would engage him and draw him away from the bombers. It turned out we weren't the only ones who were working together. Instead of selfishly going after the bombers like I figured he would, the wingman of the guy I was chasing shot me down just as I was settling my sights on his mate. Then they both went back after the bombers. Throughout the mission players were communicating via text chat, calling out bandits, asking for help, and generally keeping each other informed.
Later on, with some different players online, a couple of us had a great time flying coordinated sorties in Vals, attacking ground targets and defending one another against two to three Wildcats at a time, who were also coordinating their attacks against us and supporting each other.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
12-23-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Ive been noticing a disturbing pattern last few months....

In Warclouds {Wich is a great server btw} blue team (you know who you are) Seem to just want to BabySit there base the fighters that is....

I already know the rebuttle to this is going to be "Well theres enemys above our base & we cant get away" Well thats an excuse imo to hang out together like a roost of chickens just waiting for the 1 or 2 foolish Red team Players to come to your base where 8 or 9 Blue_team guys jump the 2 & gang rape them... Sure thats all well & good sometimes but its getting to a rather redicules point, where every time I land & take off & fly around I cant find any blue to fight at all!!! There all wanking it at there base...

Would ya mind comeing out and fighting for a change Blue_team???

PS If your not one of the many BlueBaseBabysitters Just Ignore this post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

but that's fine, isn't it?
this way no one can stop you from attacking the primary target, so why do you complain ?

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 01:15 PM
The primary objective is 1 grid away from there base its easy for them to run back & forth between base & objective Like lil Girly

Ill be in Greater Green Checking out other targets

westcoastphil
12-23-2004, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you really like flying near-full-real (cockpit on, no externals, limited icons) and want to experience some good team play I think Greatergreen is hard to beat. . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


One other thing, your aircraft minimap icon is now on so you don't have to worry about getting lost to target, from target after dogfight,etc. if that's one thing that held you back about flying in Greatergreen.

I also echo Kootenai's sentiment. I was on WC a few nights ago and had the ground target to myself for a little while, then blue started showing up....no doubt with a little help from the text message warnings about loss of ground targets. Soon a whole slew of blue, but no red top cover, etc. I tried again on the next sortie, again, no red...just a couple of blue.

Not knocking WC as I've always enjoyed it, and its also a good server if I need to get something done around the house. Its surprising what you can do with 5min. of down time

LeadSpitter_
12-23-2004, 04:32 PM
perhaps the reds always go to the blue base becuase with death kick on its the only way they will ever catch a dora 190a9 or ta152

HayateAce
12-23-2004, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
perhaps the reds always go to the blue base becuase with death kick on its the only way they will ever catch a dora 190a9 or ta152 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the "Blue Players Forgotten Battles Field Manual"

http://www.kidprints.org/colorpages/colrpg7.jpg

Diablo310th
12-23-2004, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
perhaps the reds always go to the blue base becuase with death kick on its the only way they will ever catch a dora 190a9 or ta152 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless I'm in my Jug... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif ~S~ Leadspitter. Merry Christmas
LOL good one Hayate

AFJ_Locust
12-23-2004, 08:37 PM
Well I just want to thank the blue team!!!!

Tonight they were realy getting after it BIG TIME !!!!

Salute Blue_Team Much FUN !!!!

GR142-Pipper
12-23-2004, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
perhaps the reds always go to the blue base becuase with death kick on its the only way they will ever catch a dora 190a9 or ta152 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the "Blue Players Forgotten Battles Field Manual"

http://www.kidprints.org/colorpages/colrpg7.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Boy, that looks like a typical blue player too...only more manly than most. HA.

GR142-Pippper

GR142-Pipper
12-24-2004, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
perhaps the reds always go to the blue base becuase with death kick on its the only way they will ever catch a dora 190a9 or ta152 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the "Blue Players Forgotten Battles Field Manual"

http://www.kidprints.org/colorpages/colrpg7.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Boy, that looks like a typical blue FW190/TA player too...only more manly than most. HA.

GR142-Pippper <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOLFMondo
12-24-2004, 12:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
perhaps the reds always go to the blue base becuase with death kick on its the only way they will ever catch a dora 190a9 or ta152 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't care less about the 190's, they all seem to want to get into turn fights with anything which is hilarious, easy meat for even a P47, I can't remember the last time one shot me down but Ta152's, half the axis team are usually in them. This is why a unit cap is needed so only a few can be flown at any one time.

I still worry if I see a 109 on my tail. Still, the Tempest V will sort the balance out on the 190's and ta's.

Abbuzze
12-24-2004, 02:11 AM
AFJ_Locust

you have to play at a different WC-server... never noticed the mentioned masses of huns over their own bases...
Hmm, IF they are ALL waiting over their AFs, it should be real easy for red to win all missons cause no one is at the targets and defend them, or am I wrong?

But you are right, now at the new server with more players, there are allways a few planes starting and landing, aprox. 3-5 I would say, so if you come to vulch... sorry for this. Also if you come to an airfield, and flak is shooting, close planes will come and hunt you!! Thats live...
I had a lot of good fights far away from the bases, and noone force you fly into a beenest...

AFJ_Locust
12-24-2004, 05:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abbuzze:
AFJ_Locust

you have to play at a different WC-server... never noticed the mentioned masses of huns over their own bases...
Hmm, IF they are ALL waiting over their AFs, it should be real easy for red to win all missons cause no one is at the targets and defend them, or am I wrong?

But you are right, now at the new server with more players, there are allways a few planes starting and landing, aprox. 3-5 I would say, so if you come to vulch... sorry for this. Also if you come to an airfield, and flak is shooting, close planes will come and hunt you!! Thats live...
I had a lot of good fights far away from the bases, and noone force you fly into a beenest... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL

AFJ_Locust
12-24-2004, 05:16 AM
Lastnight was a blast, I havent seen the blueteam so fired up in along time , They were realy mad & it showed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Salute Blueteam great job !!!

That was FUN !!!

S.taibanzai
12-24-2004, 05:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:

LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Hmm no brains http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-24-2004, 10:25 AM
Fly GreaterGreen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Works for me.

AFJ_Locust
12-24-2004, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S.taibanzai:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:

LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Hmm no brains http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL

Hey PikAs I call them like I see them, Them Huns were hovering around there base alot latley

I also told them great job lastnight when they came out & fought So cannn it ok !!!

onearmedfool
12-24-2004, 03:33 PM
i fly blue and have noticed that also.at least you know where to go and find them.i like to hunt my prey.sad when you get shot down by a onearmedfool..merry merry and happy happy all.