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Willey
02-26-2004, 05:13 AM
watch this: http://ubbxforums-de.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=59010161&f=388104122&m=919109742

Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings

But no B-25 AI. No info why.

Release is March 18th 2004.

Willey
02-26-2004, 05:13 AM
watch this: http://ubbxforums-de.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=59010161&f=388104122&m=919109742

Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings

But no B-25 AI. No info why.

Release is March 18th 2004.

PF_Talus
02-26-2004, 05:14 AM
5 Spits and 0 bombers


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Slush69
02-26-2004, 05:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
watch this: http://ubbxforums-de.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=59010161&f=388104122&m=919109742

Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings

But no B-25 AI. No info why.

Release is March 18th 2004.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to the B-25 thread, the cockpit is being worked on, but it won't be finished before the addon goes gold. Just have to wait for a patch ...

Anyway, who really flies bombers on a regular basis?

cheers/slush

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AWL_Spinner
02-26-2004, 05:51 AM
There are going to be four flyable B25s according to Oleg, but you'll have to wait for the summer. Not sure which variants are included. Same with the Ju88, it's coming in multiple variants but it's not finished yet.

More bombers are coming, hang in there.

As for the Spits, fantastic news, also probable that Gibb's Mk.IX will be in the freebie addon with the AEP, or released soon after.

Cheers, Spinner.

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Recon_609IAP
02-26-2004, 05:57 AM
As CrazyIvan has posted several times:

third party modders are the ones making these aircraft.

Bombers are currently being made, they take alot longer - and Oleg said they would release aircraft not finished in a patch after this AEP.

There is possibility of a few bombers at least for that patch.

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PBNA-Boosher
02-26-2004, 05:58 AM
Hey, I fly bombers on a regular basis!!!!!

I'm a great bomber pilot, and that's what I do!

SlickStick
02-26-2004, 06:16 AM
Please sneak a flyable B17 in....please sneak a flyable B17 in....please sneak a flyable B17 in.....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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WWMaxGunz
02-26-2004, 06:29 AM
Maybe all 4 Spits are by the same basic 3D design with only so many changes each? So they don't count as the effort of 4 planes. Contrast a 4 engine bomber in complexity as not only external model but FM just for AI. Flyable cockpit and more complex player flyable FM only make it much more work. I bet 1 flyable 4 engine bomber is harder or the same amount of effort to get right than these 4 Spits.

I don't understand how posts after the original mention cockpits, etc, when the original post asked about an AI bomber.


Neal

Oso2323
02-26-2004, 09:08 AM
[QUOTE]
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings
{/QUOTE]

I think those years are wrong as well. The Spit V was pretty much replaced by late 1943. It was outclassed by late 1941.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-26-2004, 09:23 AM
5 days til us release of AEP...let the whining begin!



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JG6_Oddball
02-26-2004, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>5 days til us release of AEP...let the whining begin! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

./whine ...where's my HE 100D!!!!! ./kill whine

lrrp22
02-26-2004, 09:32 AM
234 Sqn flew clipped, clapped, and cropped LF VB's until September '44 at which time they converted to Mustang III's.

Three or four LF VB squadrons saw heavy service over the Normandy beachhead.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oso2323:
[QUOTE]
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings
{/QUOTE]

I think those years are wrong as well. The Spit V was pretty much replaced by late 1943. It was outclassed by late 1941.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oso2323
02-26-2004, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
234 Sqn flew clipped, clapped, and cropped LF VB's until September '44 at which time they converted to Mustang III's.

Three or four LF VB squadrons saw heavy service over the Normandy beachhead.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Mk V. was a second-line fighter by 1944, used only where attacks were non-existent (ie Northern UK) or where air superiority was achieved (i.e. the Normandy beachead). I think they were used as artillery spotters in Normandy - not very exciting from an FB point of view. They probably saw more late-war front-line service in the Med (moot point as we don't have the Vokes desert filter or the maps - although I suppose we will have enough to do a 234sqn campaign!).

My original point was that the last Spit V was manufactured in mid 1943.

DONB3397
02-26-2004, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 45) 1941
Spitfire Mk.Vb (Merlin 46) 1942 clipped wings
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1943
Spitfire LF.Mk.Vb (Merlin 50) 1944 clipped wings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hard not to be happy about this. But my understanding was that the IX replaced the V shortly after the 190A's arrived in early '42. The RAF took an upgraded RR Merlin designed for the Lancaster, and added 18 inches to the Spitfire's fuselage among other mods, and designated it the Mk IX. Performance improvements included climb rate, acceleration and overall speed.

There are plent of Spitfire experts in this forum who can give us the detailed chronology, I'm sure.

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M0NS
02-26-2004, 10:38 AM
The Vb is great news - especially the '41 version - I've really wanted an early Spit the Maddox-way for two years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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BaldieJr
02-26-2004, 10:40 AM
4 spitfires = Ugly(4)

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Xnomad
02-26-2004, 10:47 AM
By the time the add on comes out we will be flying BoB instead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Oh hold on the 18th of March was the German release date, the British one is still the 12th. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Snow_Wolf_
02-26-2004, 10:55 AM
How come we getting the Ki-84A and the A6m5 again?

Oso2323
02-26-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hard not to be happy about this. But my understanding was that the IX replaced the V shortly after the 190A's arrived in early '42.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not an expert, but I have been boning up on my Spit lore lately... The RAF would have loved to have the Mk ix replace the V in 1942, but they couldn't be produced fast enough. So they slowly replaced the Mk V squadron by squadron, with priority going to the "Channel Front." By the time of the August 1942 Dieppe raid, only 4 squadrons were equipped with the ix. During summer 1943 when the RAF were escorting USAAF B-17's many squadrons were still flying the V.

Incidently, When front-line ix squadrons were posted to remote areas to get their rest, they exchanged their kites and flew Mk V. By late 1943/early '44 the V was quickly being replaced by the VIII, ix and xiv.

Cheers.

horseback
02-26-2004, 11:32 AM
The late war Spit Vb was a reworked aircraft with the wings clipped to improve roll and dive, and the supercharger "cropped', again to improve low to medium alt performance. In service, it was referred to as a "clipped, cropped, and clapped Spit," "clapped" referring to the original condition of the airframe.

The majority of the Vbs used in the Med late-war didn't use the enormous Vokes' filter on the nose, instead using a locally produced filter (Arabic place-name, but I can't remember it) that was much smaller and more aerodynamically refined. Some examples appear to have used the same Universal type filter used by Seafires and Mk IXs, but these appear to be rare.

In essence, though, it appears to me that we're getting one Spit four times, unless the FMs have meaningful differences in performance that weren't generally recorded in the references I've read.

Cheers

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adlabs6
02-26-2004, 11:53 AM
I primarily fly bombers, they're why I bought the game. I realize that the bombers are on the way, but I'm waiting on spending anymore money on FB until I see them.

Anyway, glad you Spitfire fans will have something to enjoy.

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Oso2323
02-26-2004, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The majority of the Vbs used in the Med late-war didn't use the enormous Vokes' filter on the nose, instead using a locally produced filter (Arabic place-name, but I can't remember it) that was much smaller and more aerodynamically refined.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was called the Aboukir. Most of the pics that I've seen from the Italian campaign (circa '43) show Spits with the Vokes filter. Mind you, most of the pics I've seen center on 417, 81 and 111 sqn's.

Do you have any info on sources or pictures? I'm interested because it will be easier to fudge an Italian Campaign skin for the Aboukir Mk.V.

hotspace
02-26-2004, 12:02 PM
Where's the XIV http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Oso2323
02-26-2004, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hotspace:
Where's the XIV http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Late bubble-canopy version is in the works. No definite ETA.

diomedes33
02-26-2004, 12:52 PM
Clipped I get, but what's the difference between the LF.Mk.Vb and Mk.Vb?

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SodBuster43
02-26-2004, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slush69:
According to the B-25 thread, the cockpit is being worked on, but it won't be finished before the addon goes gold. Just have to wait for a patch ...

Anyway, who really flies bombers on a regular basis?

cheers/slush

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bombers are all I care to fly. I'm not that good as a fighter pilot and love the big birds. Also, I'm getting bored with the He-111 and TB-3. I gave my copy of FB to the neighbor kids and am waiting for the gold edition to come out. Getting tired of having to download patches though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

VW-IceFire
02-26-2004, 01:01 PM
The differences between F and LF are in terms of the engine. The later Mark V's have a more powerful engine than the earlier ones...the same as with the IX's (the IX were getting is actually a LF IX).

Fievel is working on the XIV. As I remember it...Fievel said that absolutely nothing would stop him from finishing the XIV. He is writing his thesis however so its likely not always a priority or even a possibility. Speed to his endeavor...an XIV will be great alongside the others.

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diomedes33
02-26-2004, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The differences between F and LF are in terms of the engine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cool thanks for the info VW-IceFire

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lrrp22
02-26-2004, 01:07 PM
The US Navy used Mk V's in the naval gunfire spotting role in the days after the invasion. The RAF squadrons were conducting low atltiude patrols and battlefield interdiction, pretty much the same missions as the Mk IX's.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oso2323:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
234 Sqn flew clipped, clapped, and cropped LF VB's until September '44 at which time they converted to Mustang III's.

Three or four LF VB squadrons saw heavy service over the Normandy beachhead.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Mk V. was a second-line fighter by 1944, used only where attacks were non-existent (ie Northern UK) or where air superiority was achieved (i.e. the Normandy beachead). I think they were used as artillery spotters in Normandy - not very exciting from an FB point of view. They probably saw more late-war front-line service in the Med (moot point as we don't have the Vokes desert filter or the maps - although I suppose we will have enough to do a 234sqn campaign!).

My original point was that the last Spit V was manufactured in mid 1943.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GAU-8
02-26-2004, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyway, who really flies bombers on a regular basis?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I DO.

biggs222
02-26-2004, 02:44 PM
im not sure about those years posted for the spit mkV

it seems like oleg didnt want to have 2 versions of the same plane in the same year so he spread them out over 4 years.

I was under the inpression that all the mods to the mkV came in the years of 41-42 and maybe a bit into 43 but a mkV mod in 44 is strange to say the least.

The engines were merlin 45-46-50. the merlin 61-63 came out in 42 so those mkV engines are already outdated by then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

and BTW if oleg was planning on modleing the "cropped" merlin it was the merlin 50M not the merlin 50.

i just hope to god that the mkIX will be in the patch for AEP.

Gibbage1
02-26-2004, 03:03 PM
The MAIN differance between the F and LF was not the engine, but the turbo. They "cropped" the turbo to a smaller diamiter to give better performance down low.

As for the rest of things, there was more then 1 country to fly Spits besides the Brits. Oleg had me model the Spits for Lend/Lease and apparently the VVS was given the old Spits when they were replaced by newer spits. This could explain the 43-44 thing. I believe the VVS had Spits defending Stalingrad and other city's in late war. When everything was on the front lines, you used what you could to defend your key city's.

I hope this helps clear some things up.

Oso2323
02-26-2004, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I hope this helps clear some things up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahh yes, that Eastern front-angle. I keep forgetting about that.

Thanks Gib.

WWMaxGunz
02-26-2004, 07:51 PM
Oso2323...

Are you the same Oso who used to fly RB3D in 1998 that I remember? If so then hey, you were simply awesome! I knew Kess very well and I think you were a cut above even him, up in that league with Sonny Shade! I had seen you a few times but could never even catch up near to you. If that was you!


Neal

Welshman_PF
02-26-2004, 08:46 PM
Many versions of the MK V followed, depending as to which field of conflict the aircraft were assigned to. Some were assigned to low altitude flying and for this many of the MK VB's had their wing span reduced to 32 feet 2 inches and the Merlin 45 engine was replaced by the Merlin 45M, the Merlin 50M and the Merlin 55M, all of which performed better at low altitudes. These low altitude versions were designated LF MK VB's. Other versions included the medium altitude Mk's. These aircraft were designated F MK VA, F MK VB and F MK VC. The Merlin power plant was configured in a number of configurations and all these F series MK V's has either a Merlin 45, 46, 50, 50A or 56 engine installed. All these MK V's became successful fighter aircraft.

First deliveries of Spitfires with major changes took place in February 1942 when the Spitfire MK VI was introduced. The MK VI received the all new Merlin 47 engine that was rated at 1, 415 hp providing the aircraft with a top speed of 374 mph and the pilot cockpit was now pressurised. This MK VI also had an increase in wing span being increased to 40 feet 2 inches.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-26-2004, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
Please sneak a flyable B17 in....please sneak a flyable B17 in....please sneak a flyable B17 in.....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HOLE IN ONE

the B24 will be awesome but who cannot say that from the first time they laid eyes on the PE-8 or B-17 that what FB really needs for bombing is a gargantuan bomber

B-17 sadly probably wont fly in FB's skies

PE-8 never will : ( (

Oso2323
02-26-2004, 10:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Oso2323...

Are you the same Oso who used to fly RB3D in 1998 that I remember<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alas no, it wasn't me. But I'd still like to think that I'm awesome!

MandMs
02-26-2004, 10:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The MAIN differance between the F and LF was not the engine, but the turbo. They "cropped" the turbo to a smaller diamiter to give better performance down low.

As for the rest of things, there was more then 1 country to fly Spits besides the Brits. Oleg had me model the Spits for Lend/Lease and apparently the VVS was given the old Spits when they were replaced by newer spits. This could explain the 43-44 thing. I believe the VVS had Spits defending Stalingrad and other city's in late war. When everything was on the front lines, you used what you could to defend your key city's.

I hope this helps clear some things up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The difference was the rated altitude of the engine.

If the type number has an 'M' in it, it has the cropped supercharger impellor. Different propellor reduction gear ratios were also used as well as different "blower" ratios.

The Spit V with the

45 engine - 1470hp @ 3000rpm @ 9250'
45M engine - 1585hp @ 3000rpm @ 2750'

The 50/50M and 55/55M were simular to the 45/45M engines in output.


Oh Gib, the Merlin did not have a turbocharger.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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Thrawn888
02-26-2004, 11:15 PM
the spitVB was outclassed in september 41 where they first encountered the 190A (unsure if A-1 or A-2) in which the 190 owned the spitfire

AWL_Spinner
02-27-2004, 04:48 AM
More from Oleg in the ORR -

"In free add-on right after the (AEP) release 3 more Spitfires with very different behaviour."

So that's, ahem, seven Spitfires. And a whole load more goodies, judging by the AEP thread in ORR, including a French campaign/language pack and one of the B25 AI's in AEP having the 75mm cannon. Go have a read here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=307100542&p=10).

Oh, happy days!

Cheers, Spinner.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-27-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thrawn888:
the spitVB was outclassed in september 41 where they first encountered the 190A (unsure if A-1 or A-2) in which the 190 owned the spitfire<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Har Har not at turning they didnt

not by half

the people who read that crap about the FW being more "maneuverable" than the Spitfire are in for a RUDE shock when it comes to FB

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