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OC77thLaStRiTeS
05-28-2006, 08:37 AM
Our country is like it is today, because of our vets, those who have served our country in a time of need, and those who have gave the ultmate scarifice, because of those chosen few, we, the american people, can say we are free, free from opression. Free to do what ever the hell we want when we want. This is a day, where we as americans, come together to salute those in uniform, for their service they have done for our great nation. So from the bottom of my heart, i would like to thank all of our vets. thank you, for serving this great nation, and helping to make it what it is today. Thank you, and God Bless you, and God Bless America..

Attenhoo!...Present Arms!

OC77thLaStRiTeS
05-28-2006, 08:37 AM
Our country is like it is today, because of our vets, those who have served our country in a time of need, and those who have gave the ultmate scarifice, because of those chosen few, we, the american people, can say we are free, free from opression. Free to do what ever the hell we want when we want. This is a day, where we as americans, come together to salute those in uniform, for their service they have done for our great nation. So from the bottom of my heart, i would like to thank all of our vets. thank you, for serving this great nation, and helping to make it what it is today. Thank you, and God Bless you, and God Bless America..

Attenhoo!...Present Arms!

MadRuski
05-28-2006, 08:53 AM
eh?

MadRuski
05-28-2006, 08:54 AM
OHHHH...u mean Vetrnens...HAHAHA thought u ment VETS as in animal doctors.... yeas, all Vets have to be congradulated more than anything!

slo_1_2_3
05-28-2006, 11:56 AM
~S!~

claypidgon
05-28-2006, 12:01 PM
You bet!!They are the best.....

EyeoftheChicken
05-28-2006, 12:26 PM
muchos gracias

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-28-2006, 12:31 PM
Sincere thanks from the U.K.

~S!~

russ.nl
05-28-2006, 12:47 PM
Ichy fingers.... I'll be nice.

My thanks to the ww2 veterans.

Dew-Claw
05-28-2006, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Our country is like it is today, because of our vets, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correction, our World is like it is today,
Thank-you Vets.
Without you and your sacrifices our world would be alot worse off.

Heaven has reserved a special place close to Heaven's Heart, just for soldiers.

slipBall
05-28-2006, 12:54 PM
I drink to you, thankyou Vets

I_KG100_Prien
05-28-2006, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by russ.nl:
Ichy fingers.... I'll be nice.

My thanks to the ww2 veterans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thanks go to ALL veterans, not just the ones of a specific conflict.

It shouldn't matter what your views on any given fight are at any given time. Every Soldier, Airman, Sailor, and Marine (from ANY country) deserve support and applause... Because they are out there doing something that you, obviously, are unwilling to do.

Always support the PEOPLE.

(To the rest of you, we servicemen appreciate the support)

russ.nl
05-28-2006, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by russ.nl:
Ichy fingers.... I'll be nice.

My thanks to the ww2 veterans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thanks go to ALL veterans, not just the ones of a specific conflict.

It shouldn't matter what your views on any given fight are at any given time. Every Soldier, Airman, Sailor, and Marine (from ANY country) deserve support and applause... Because they are out there doing something that you, obviously, are unwilling to do.

Always support the PEOPLE.

(To the rest of you, we servicemen appreciate the support) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right. I forget sometimes that it is the goverment that makes war and the people that fight it.

Thank you.

Esel1964
05-28-2006, 06:46 PM
Memorial Day always makes me think of the Bixby Letter,made famous in "Saving Private Ryan".


Executive Mansion,
Washington, Nov. 21, 1864.

Dear Madam,--

I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.

I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.

I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.

Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

A. Lincoln

SkyChimp
05-28-2006, 06:56 PM
Lincoln had a way of putting things in perspective. Another relevant speech regarding those that made the ultimate sacrafice:

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate€"we can not consecrate€"we can not hallow€"this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us €" that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion €" that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain €" that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom €" and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Ishmael932
05-28-2006, 07:17 PM
You are all kindly welcome

Richard B Scott
STG2 USN 1972-78

My ships below
USS Schofield DEG-3
USS Elmer Montgomery FF-1082
The box launcher on the foc'sle, The ASROC launcher was my weapons system along with the Mark 32 torpedo tubes. I spent six years hunting the great steel whales, hence my name.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6392/deg35ez.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9669/ff10826wq.jpg

BSS_CUDA
05-28-2006, 07:37 PM
again you are welcome. S! to all my fellow vets

Quartermaster second class U.S.S. Belleau Wood LHA-3 1978-1982
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/10070301.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/finalvoyage.jpg

woofiedog
05-28-2006, 07:44 PM
My old ship the USS Biddle DLG-34, later CG-34...

http://www.ussbiddle.org/pictures/bennett_medmoor.jpg

Link: http://www.ussbiddle.org/history/migs_parks.html

SkyChimp
05-28-2006, 07:58 PM
Yes, thanks to all living veterans. But veterans have their own day, and we should be thankful to God tomorrow isn't it.

http://www.thomasmichaelcorcoran.com/arlington%20cemetary%20bugler.JPG

BSS_CUDA
05-28-2006, 08:14 PM
agreed Chimp. but it is nice to see all these squids here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

SkyChimp
05-28-2006, 08:19 PM
Yes, America loves its Squids. I work in Norfolk, VA and see a lot of them. I think they are an underappreciated lot, since most of them are just kids.

JG52_Helgstrand
05-28-2006, 08:21 PM
You're welcome...

And a big ~S~ to all my fellow vets who have sacrificed, and are still sacrificing now they're out...

AD3 USN 89-95, 'Gulf War' vet. VAQ 132 'The Scorpions', U.S.S. Saratoga. NAS Sigonella AIMD. NAS Pensacola, Naval Technical Training Center.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Helgstrand/NY252-600.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Helgstrand/Ribbons.gif

BSS_CUDA
05-28-2006, 08:32 PM
rgr that, I was 17 years old when I joined the Navy, and my job was as Helsman of an Aircraft carrier, so how cool is that

BSS_CUDA
05-28-2006, 08:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52_Helgstrand:
You're welcome...

And a big ~S~ to all my fellow vets who have sacrificed, and are still sacrificing now they're out...

AD3 USN 89-95, 'Gulf War' vet. VAQ 132 'The Scorpions', U.S.S. Saratoga. NAS Sigonella AIMD. NAS Pensacola, Naval Technical Training Center.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Helgstrand/NY252-600.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Helgstrand/Ribbons.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


ACK!!! a brown shoe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/images.jpg stay back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

JG52_Helgstrand
05-28-2006, 08:48 PM
LOL...Another jealous black shoe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
05-28-2006, 09:18 PM
And Semper Fi to all my fellow Marines...http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/salute.gif

(aww...what the heck, Squids too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

S!

wayno7777
05-28-2006, 10:43 PM
Thank you and ~S~ to all vets!!!
US Army 1976-1982
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/FB%20shots/Aircraft/Army_69-15924.jpg

Choctaw111
05-29-2006, 05:12 AM
Thank you very much fellas. These two are of me although I don't even look the same. Two very different places at different times. The one in uniform was about 3 months ago and the other in camo was taken just before a combat patrol 3 years ago. Thanks again for remembering all veterans today...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/Brad-Small.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/b1.jpg

Yes that is a motorola talkabout on my LBV. It was the only commo that worked all the time! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

badaboom.1
05-29-2006, 07:25 AM
Thank you all vets,as I celebrate today with my family,I will be thinking of the all those who cannot.Thank you for your sacrifice.

Zeus-cat
05-29-2006, 01:15 PM
S1 to all my fellow vets.

In reference to the above idiotic post, not all of us agree with every president the USA has had and the military actions they have taken, but those vets who have fought and served honorably deserve respect no matter what the conflict. The soldier does not choose the war, he can only choose to serve honorably.

woofiedog
05-29-2006, 01:30 PM
Zeus-cat... Well stated! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

triggerhappyfin
05-29-2006, 04:16 PM
The edit of my earlier statement puzzles me! What kind of freedom do you refer to? Freedom of speech?
I also have veterans of war in my family. I also think highly of them. I´ve made postings in which I´ve told about them in these forums. So has your fellow countrymen about their WW2 veterans. That I respect. The WW2 were a battle, worldwide, where good battled the evil.
The good won...that we all can agree upon. Lets praise the veterans that beated evil and leave the politics aside. Please dont honor the wars and international conflicts of later date which we not can agree on the necessity of. This sim is about WW2 not the wars after. Lot of people dont agree with US foreign policy whitch you infact embrace with this thread and the editing of my earlier post has a taste of a political statement. Which by the way isnt alowed here on forums.

SkyChimp
05-29-2006, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
The edit of my earlier statement puzzles me! What kind of freedom do you refer to? Freedom of speech?
I also have veterans of war in my family. I also think highly of them. I´ve made postings in which I´ve told about them in these forums. So has your fellow countrymen about their WW2 veterans. That I respect. The WW2 were a battle, worldwide, where good battled the evil.
The good won...that we all can agree upon. Lets praise the veterans that beated evil and leave the politics aside. Please dont honor the wars and international conflicts of later date which we not can agree on the necessity of. This sim is about WW2 not the wars after. Lot of people dont agree with US foreign policy whitch you infact embrace with this thread and the editing of my earlier post has a taste of a political statement. Which by the way isnt aloud here on forums. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You had the fredom to ignore this thread. You had the freedom to not post in it. You had the freedom to respect others who were recognizing a US National Holiday.

BSS_CUDA
05-29-2006, 06:26 PM
the beauty of it is Chimp, I am still proud to have served my country http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/medals.gif to give people like that the freedom to be the idiots they are

-HH-Quazi
05-29-2006, 06:31 PM
Is there anyway you can remember word for word the post I edited. I really need to read that again. And don't sugar coat it or try to explain the statements you made. Just put it out there like you did the first time. Because here I am celebrating with my family & friends the lives our two uncles and three cousins sacrificed lives for not only the protection of freedoms we enjoy in this country, but for peoples of other lands and countries. Then I crank up the forums only to read that initial post of yours. And honestly, it ripped my heart out. I know that there are people that do not agree with the wars we have participated in. But your comments went on and above that by including our children and "toothless" old people in your rant about how sickening this thread is.

BSS_CUDA
05-29-2006, 07:35 PM
there's o need Quazi. you didnt miss interperet it. it was a pure hate post directed at the United States and had nothing to do with our national holiday or honoring the memories of our Soldiers who gave that ultimate sacrifice for their country.

Choctaw111
05-29-2006, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
The edit of my earlier statement puzzles me! What kind of freedom do you refer to? Freedom of speech?
I also have veterans of war in my family. I also think highly of them. I´ve made postings in which I´ve told about them in these forums. So has your fellow countrymen about their WW2 veterans. That I respect. The WW2 were a battle, worldwide, where good battled the evil.
The good won...that we all can agree upon. Lets praise the veterans that beated evil and leave the politics aside. Please dont honor the wars and international conflicts of later date which we not can agree on the necessity of. This sim is about WW2 not the wars after. Lot of people dont agree with US foreign policy whitch you infact embrace with this thread and the editing of my earlier post has a taste of a political statement. Which by the way isnt aloud here on forums. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, this is a WW2 sim, BUT, memorial day is NOT JUST ABOUT WW2. It was actually started to honor those after the First World War. With US foreign policy aside, and no matter what country a soldier has served in, they have fought for their country and should have the honor of being recognized for it. Just becuase a soldier has fought in a conflict after WW2 does not make their sacrifice any less meaningful does it? I went through THREE deployments after 9/11 and went through hell on earth and for someone to say that just because someone doesn't agree with it doens't make my sacrifice or anyone elses less meaningful. I suffer from two bad legs, lower back, shoulders, smashed right hand and a neuroligal dissorder from a head injury all during combat in the name of freedom so the fact that you don't want to honor the men and women just because they fought AFTER WW2 is horrible to say the least and I am (for now) asking you nicely to take that back. I will be checking back here shortly for your reply triggerhappyfin. Everyone is entitled to their oppinion but there are a lot of veterans here and that is just plain wrong. Even the WW2 vets would not agree with your post, and I know plenty.

I am not here to start a flame war over this, I just want to say that this is a day to honor all vets and to single a certain group out is not right.

wayno7777
05-29-2006, 08:53 PM
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WWSensei
05-29-2006, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It was actually started to honor those after the First World War. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goes back even a bit further. Was started as "Decoration Day" to honor those fallen in the US Civil War. It was later re-named to Memorial Day.

----------------------------
A1C Chris John, 1975-1993
SrA Corey White, 1974-1994

It was my distinct pleasure to serve with you both.

triggerhappyfin
05-29-2006, 11:56 PM
Ok quazi, civil of you to offer me the chance to recover my original post. Thing is I dont have a copy and the original reading has in that case to be taken from memory...so I´ll leave it as it is.
You guys have to understand the point I´m trying to make here. I fully understand the fact you want to honor your veterans, thats what I do with mine.
Bottomline is that as much offence you took of my first post, as much offence others take by people honoring US foreign policy.
Those post WW2 veterans are a part of it. I´m old enough to remember US intervention in Vietnam and all those television pictures from the time. It was something else compaired to todays sensored television pictures. The reports from Song-my didnt promote outside worlds understanding of "the good" American soldiers did there. After Vietnam era US military learned the fact that free access to battlefield for reporters didnt benefit the military.
I´m not offended by your need to honor your dear and near relatives who had to serve in the various theaters of conflict.

We only have to balance it with the remembrance of the human cost in means of civilian suffering and reflect upon what good it actually achieved, if any.

rnzoli
05-30-2006, 03:04 AM
triggerhappy, you took a very big risk in raining on this parade

I have refrained from commenting on this, but veterans calling you an idiot just because you disagree with the US foreign military deployments makes me say this: soldiers are people as well, and you can find just as many idiots in every military organization as in other areas of life, e.g., among teachers or doctors, or flight sim fans.

I truly respect those veterans, who remained humans above all, while risking their lives in the combat zone, regardless of political aspects and the purpose of the deployment. But I am really sorry, I cannot respect those, who comitted atrocities.

The complexity of this subject is well described in the novel "The Caine Mutiny" by Herman Wouk. Although the captain is proven wrong and the court-matrial relieves the good guys, there is a striking moment at the end of the book, when the good guys celebrate their "victory" over the stupid captain, but the lawyer helping them to win their case refuses to celebrate with them. He points out that the good guys were only enjoying civil life when the captain was already protecting their peaceful life with his destroyer-minesweeper ship. Now go and figure, who is good or bad... it's not so simple.

Red_Storm
05-30-2006, 05:33 AM
What's the purpose of posting about an American holiday on an international forum? I mean, kudos to your vets, but sorry - all countries have veterans, not just the US. Would be quite a ride if every single country in the world would start posting about every holiday...

Still, respect to your guys just as much as to any other vet. Be that German, Japanese, French, Belgian, Dutch or whatever. They all did their thing and fought for what they thought was right, whether that was or not.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-30-2006, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Would be quite a ride if every single country in the world would start posting about every holiday... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've seen various threads here about various national holidays and commemorations. I've also seen Americans with the good grace to post their best wishes in those threads.

Von_Rat
05-30-2006, 06:31 AM
there's been ones from australian holidays , brit holidays and german holidays that i can remember. i found them very interesting.

i guess its just u.s. holidays that are the problem, because i cant remember anybody complaining about the others.

bazzaah2
05-30-2006, 06:39 AM
I hope not, that would be a real shame. Surely it's a good thing to commemorate veterans, whether British, US or Martian.

WWSensei
05-30-2006, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:
I hope not, that would be a real shame. Surely it's a good thing to commemorate veterans, whether British, US or Martian. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Take a lot more for me to feel "shame" for being a US Vet than what a handful of historically, militarily and socially ignorant few can rationalize.

For those that don't understand the military or Memorial Day or event the common soldier it's pretty simple.

When a soldier fights in war, regardless of country, they will tell you they do not fight for politics, or for territory or any of the other myriad slogans and posters you see that claim to know why they fight. They fight for one reason....for the soldier sitting next to them.

They take risks and fight to survive regardless of the conflict, regardless of the country, regardless of the politics, in order to protect those few souls around them. It's been the case in every army in every nation in every conflict.

In some cases those soldiers gave up their lives in order to try and protect their buddy in the foxhole, their wingman, or their fellow sailor.

It is those soldiers that Memorial Day was intended to honor. Not a politician, not even a surviving veteran, not a foreign policy. Just an ordinary soldier who gave up his life trying to keep he and his unit alive.

That is all Memorial Day has been about.

Those that try and twist it into some sort of political rant miss the point. They miss it entirely. It's never been about a country. It's only ever been about the simple soldier who didn't make it.

That's all Memorial Day has ever been about.

I've had the honor of serving with two such men who sacrificed themselves so that those around them would live. I am a better man for having known them.

For those that want to twist their sacrifice for me and my fellow squadron members into some sort of pseudo-intellectual, holier-than-thou political rant just know one thing--they accomplished more in a few moments of their death than you will likely accomplish in your entire life.

That's what Memorial Day is about.

bazzaah2
05-30-2006, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSensei:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:
I hope not, that would be a real shame. Surely it's a good thing to commemorate veterans, whether British, US or Martian. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Take a lot more for me to feel "shame" for being a US Vet than what a handful of historically, militarily and socially ignorant few can rationalize.

For those that don't understand the military or Memorial Day or event the common soldier it's pretty simple.

When a soldier fights in war, regardless of country, they will tell you they do not fight for politics, or for territory or any of the other myriad slogans and posters you see that claim to know why they fight. They fight for one reason....for the soldier sitting next to them.

They take risks and fight to survive regardless of the conflict, regardless of the country, regardless of the politics, in order to protect those few souls around them. It's been the case in every army in every nation in every conflict.

In some cases those soldiers gave up their lives in order to try and protect their buddy in the foxhole, their wingman, or their fellow sailor.

It is those soldiers that Memorial Day was intended to honor. Not a politician, not even a surviving veteran, not a foreign policy. Just an ordinary soldier who gave up his life trying to keep he and his unit alive.

That is all Memorial Day has been about.

Those that try and twist it into some sort of political rant miss the point. They miss it entirely. It's never been about a country. It's only ever been about the simple soldier who didn't make it.

That's all Memorial Day has ever been about.

I've had the honor of serving with two such men who sacrificed themselves so that those around them would live. I am a better man for having known them.

For those that want to twist their sacrifice for me and my fellow squadron members into some sort of pseudo-intellectual, holier-than-thou political rant just know one thing--they accomplished more in a few moments of their death than you will likely accomplish in your entire life.

That's what Memorial Day is about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

since you quoted my post I have to assume that was directed at me.

I didn't say that anyone should feel shame at being a vet, I was agreeing with von_rat.

Commemorating veterans with a day like the US does with Memorial Day or as we do in the UK with Rememberance Day is a good thing.

WWSensei
05-30-2006, 08:55 AM
baazzaah2,

Wasn't directed at you--was intended as a support for your statements. Sorry for the confusion. I quoted you because I also agreed with you an vonrat.

Worf101
05-30-2006, 08:59 AM
You're welcome, but we ALL DON'T love "Squids" or "Jarheads" either and I won't even mention the "Air Farce"!

Da Worfster Formerly known as Sgt. David D. Macks 8th, 2nd and 5th Combat Engineers "Essayons".

Me when I wore a younger mans clothes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Worf101/My%20Pics/Sgtmacks2.jpg

bazzaah2
05-30-2006, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSensei:
baazzaah2,

Wasn't directed at you--was intended as a support for your statements. Sorry for the confusion. I quoted you because I also agreed with you an vonrat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok! woops! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

-HH-Quazi
05-30-2006, 09:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
Ok quazi, civil of you to offer me the chance to recover my original post. Thing is I dont have a copy and the original reading has in that case to be taken from memory...so I´ll leave it as it is.
You guys have to understand the point I´m trying to make here. I fully understand the fact you want to honor your veterans, thats what I do with mine.
Bottomline is that as much offence you took of my first post, as much offence others take by people honoring US foreign policy.
Those post WW2 veterans are a part of it. I´m old enough to remember US intervention in Vietnam and all those television pictures from the time. It was something else compaired to todays sensored television pictures. The reports from Song-my didnt promote outside worlds understanding of "the good" American soldiers did there. After Vietnam era US military learned the fact that free access to battlefield for reporters didnt benefit the military.
I´m not offended by your need to honor your dear and near relatives who had to serve in the various theaters of conflict.

We only have to balance it with the remembrance of the human cost in means of civilian suffering and reflect upon what good it actually achieved, if any. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough. Bottomline, I changed your words in your post. That was wrong of me. It was an abuse of power on my part, and for that, I apologize.

I have never abused my moderating powers in any way, shape, or form since being ask to take on the responsibility until now. Being a moderator on such an active forum requires one to be as open minded as possible (imho & within forum rules & guidelines) to allow its' members to be able to express themselves in discussion whether it be in disaggreement with the original poster or another post in a thread. I have tried very hard to do this, even to the point of allowing a certain post to remain only to see it deleted a few minutes later by another mod, then feeling that I was wrong and should have deleted it myself.

But I took your post as a personal attack on a national holiday where me and mine celebrate not only the lost lives of our own family members, but the lives lost by so many other families. Lives lost not only for protecting our way of life, but also protecting other peoples of the world. In all honesty, I wanted to whizz you off to no end and was hoping that my menial efforts of changing your words would send you off the deep end. I wanted to whizz you off as bad as you did me. You handled it admirably and I thank you & commend you for that.

For this, I publically apologize to you. And instead of changing your words, I should have just deleted it. But I feel if others here, that are as passionate as I about our veterans, would have read that post in its' original form, the result would have been a locked thread and many bans handed out. There is never a bright side to the abuse of power, but if there ever was one, maybe this would be it.

And for those of you wondering why this wasn't done via PM? The action I decided to take was public, and it was done in this forum. Therefore I felt that a public apology to TriggerHappyFin on my behalf was the appropriate road to take. My apologies to any here that thinks differently or takes offense.

triggerhappyfin
05-31-2006, 12:05 AM
Accepted.
Sorry for upseting you guys. I understand the meaning of the holiday on a personal level for the individuals involved. As I said before I also got vets in my family. The family history is full of wartime suffering on several levels(not only combat). The history of post WW2 is a complicated one. So many has seen the other side of the coin.
My appology to you and your veterans on a personal level.

CD_kp84yb
05-31-2006, 01:57 AM
A little bit off topic, but i think its important to know.

Today at 10:30 the polish troops that fought at Arnhem, get the medals and glory they deserved 61 years ago.
Realy shame it took our government(Dutch) 61 years, they must have had the recognation and apreciation in 1945 in my opinion. But they are victims of some political game, Thank God our ountry thinks otherwise now, well it didnt go smooth and it was a big struggle for alot of ppl to get this done, but 61 years???
So lots of these guys get it posthum (english word???)

Choctaw111
05-31-2006, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
A little bit off topic, but i think its important to know.

Today at 10:30 the polish troops that fought at Arnhem, get the medals and glory they deserved 61 years ago.
Realy shame it took our government(Dutch) 61 years, they must have had the recognation and apreciation in 1945 in my opinion. But they are victims of some political game, Thank God our ountry thinks otherwise now, well it didnt go smooth and it was a big struggle for alot of ppl to get this done, but 61 years???
So lots of these guys get it posthum (english word???) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a long time to wait. For those who have received it posthumously I hope that the families who received it for their loved ones were ok with that. It must have been upsetting for a lot of people. I have been waiting only 3 years for some of my medals and I know how frustrated I am right now. I can only imagine how waiting more than 60 years might feel. I am glad that they have finaly gotten the recognition and honor that they have so rightfully earned so long ago.