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raaaid
05-05-2010, 02:34 PM
notice it is in our nature

when you go online peopel dont withdrwa and climb to 12000 and attack only then

but they go fast forward towards the enemy

ive always said it im only satisified when i out turn a zero in a spit

raaaid
05-05-2010, 02:34 PM
notice it is in our nature

when you go online peopel dont withdrwa and climb to 12000 and attack only then

but they go fast forward towards the enemy

ive always said it im only satisified when i out turn a zero in a spit

BillSwagger
05-05-2010, 03:15 PM
Of course its not always about winning, its about a good match up and playing against challenging opponents. I also put a lot of weight on the realism or historic nature of the game.

orville07
05-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Whilst there is nothing wrong with being competitive, you are right raid. Some people take it to extremes.

It's not the be all and end all.

I know without ever having met them that these people are no fun whatsoever at parties. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

kimosabi79
05-05-2010, 03:41 PM
Some nights I feel like going for a kill but other nights I'd rather practice making perfect carrier landings, maneuvers etc. Even just taking a certain plane up for a spin does it for me sometimes.

Zeus-cat
05-05-2010, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by orville07:
... you are right raid... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG, don't ever say that! It's like feeding the bears in Yellowstone or telling the IT guys at work they did a great job - it just encourages them!!!

Jumoschwanz
05-05-2010, 08:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:"Notice it is in our nature"

It would be prudent to talk about only yourself in cases like this, and then only if you possess anything like self-knowledge, let alone being privy to reality.

"when you go online peopel dont withdrwa and climb to 12000 and attack only then
but they go fast forward towards the enemy"

If you look at a page of stats for an online IL2 server, you will see that most K/D ratios are low along with mission completion rates, but even if someone only bats .500 in these areas, they are still doing better than most baseball players and investors in the stock market or casino gamblers for their investment, so it is an easy way for the ego to get a series of little fixes for itself. You die this mission or duel, so what next time you win.

Again, most people have the slimmest chance of even knowing why they do things, let alone how mankind and the world as a whole functions.

If someone walking down the street says they know everything who can say that they do or not? Only the other man who knows everything! The answers of the rest do not exist outside themselves.

"ive always said it im only satisified when i out turn a zero in a spit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The first step to self-knowledge is discovering everything you know is not real. The second step is discarding every idea in your head. After that there is not learning, just being.

Boosher
05-05-2010, 11:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
After that there is not learning, just being. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And eventually, if we meditate enough on enlightenment and calm our minds, we shall be able to shed our physical bodies and exist as pure energy.

JtD
05-05-2010, 11:29 PM
Outturning Zeros in a Spit is boring. Maybe if it was a challenge of some sort.

Erkki_M
05-06-2010, 12:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
notice it is in our nature

when you go online peopel dont withdrwa and climb to 12000 and attack only then

but they go fast forward towards the enemy

ive always said it im only satisified when i out turn a zero in a spit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You dont see people taking altitude? You have, honestly, never seen a pair or a three- or four-ship flight at 7000m? Or An organised flight of 4+ bombers escorted by fighters?

I always climb to around 6000m, at least, if theres no action at the immediate proximity of my home field, well behind the front line and far away from the enemy fields. Two days ago, a Spitfire IX, P38 and B25 joined the line, now 132 victories since last death, almost none achieved by flying solo at low altitudes.

Perhaps you play on wrong servers? Try CZ_AH, by.stumovik.II(very good one, has about 3 times the players that hyperlobby shows, df server where frontline and unit positions get updated, limited planes and pilots with "daily reinforcements" and all.), Spits vs 109s isnt bad either but you better minimize the chat bar and make sure you use correct markings...

By the way, if it was only about winning, why would they NOT take altitude, why would they fly alone, and why the heck would they fly something like Spitfire that cant get away from anything but a Stuka? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

orville07
05-06-2010, 03:44 AM
And eventually, if we meditate enough on enlightenment and calm our minds, we shall be able to shed our physical bodies and exist as pure energy.[/QUOTE]

*Master Boosher, how do you hear the Grasshopper?

*Young Raid, how do you not?

The Buddha is strong in Boosher, my friends. Truly he heareth the sound of one hand clapping.

The Way that can be told of is not an unvarying way;
The names that can be named are not unvarying names.
It was from the Nameless that Heaven and Earth sprang;
The named is but the mother that rears the ten thousand creatures, each after its kind

I repeat this Mantra online every time I shoot a Nazi in the face.

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raaaid
05-06-2010, 07:15 AM
the thing is that aplying this idea i rememebred how im in love with this game:

flying a spit:

turning duels: i can out turn a zero on a aclimbing spiral, my heart beats like at 120, i get a 1 1 ration even less

flying a 190:

i sneak on an unaware pray bastradly and down it effortless, i get like 3-1 favorable score

my heart beats at 60 boring

hell darth varder would fly a 190 and luke skywalker a spit 25

the 190 is the easy dark path of the force

the spit is the long bright path of force

still im not sure

is it better to have lots of fun with a spit and lose or bore and win with a 190?

the answers got to be that best is winning with an spit

edit:

i was just thinking: wasnt it obvious from the beginning of the movie:

darth vader, dark father

i love word tricks like saying a wrod a lot of times to find its true meaning

godgodogdogdog

or devil devoldevollovdeloved
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

i would say in this world often things are actually not only not what they seem to be but the opposite

Erkki_M
05-06-2010, 08:40 AM
<span class="ev_code_RED">I am sure you can find a more appropriate way to voice your opinion</span>

raaaid
05-06-2010, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erkki_M:
<span class="ev_code_RED">EDIT</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what do you mean?

edit:

and isnt your signature illeagl here for having an swastika?

edit:

im awiting an explanation otherwise ill report your post for the ofences mentioned

Erkki_M
05-06-2010, 09:30 AM
Perhaps you should find out about things first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Finland

Besides, afaik, the "Swastika" is forbidden only in Germany, Austria and Lithuania, perhaps one or two other countries as well.

edit: it seems that its forbidden in quite a few countries. The van Rosen cross, however, is not a totalitarian symbol. It has no background in nazism, totalitarism, militarism nor racism. The picture in my signature is a paintwork by Sture Gripenberg, hanging on the wall of this room. It has genuine signature of Eino Ilmari Juutilainen.

raaaid
05-06-2010, 09:48 AM
yes i understand but see my view you wish me publicaly to die

is that some kind of joke? not even thinking it would be right so saying it...

these are the kinds of things which i hate and lead me paranoid

i dont see the forums as a bad influence as tv

but see how i see it:

a guy whises me publically to die

he has a signature of an swastika in a victorious context

but i dont know maybe i didnt understand the jokje

but its so emparanoing that someone whishes you to die

thats why i quoted it i thought it to be an hallucination

hey guys was that real or im making that up?

DuxCorvan
05-06-2010, 10:01 AM
1) Finnish aircraft swastikas are not nazi swastikas. They were there long before nazism and have nothing to do with nazi ideology.

2) Erkki_M wishes NOT you to die. Effectively, you didn't catch the joke. He only wishes you to STFU. Which, these later times, is becoming quite a common wish, since you are behaving more strangely, rudely and out of control than ever, and you are very very paranoid and delusional now.

3) My wish, and that of most around here, lad, is that you, for your own welfare

TAKE YOUR <span class="ev_code_RED">EDIT</span> MEDS AS PRESCRIBED TO YOU BY A REPUTED PROFESSIONAL PSYCHIATRIST NOT YOUR SISTER (SINCE SHE IS CLEARLY BIASED BY PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT) AND STOP SPAMMING THE FORA WITH INCREASINGLY NONSENSICAL AND D*MN INSANE STATEMENTS.

Capicci, friend? I appreciate you, man, but lately you're really losing it, and it's getting hard to put up with you.

raaaid
05-06-2010, 10:22 AM
well i still dont caught the joke and still find it anoying

does that make me insane?

can you explain me the joke to me, wheres the fun

raaaid
05-06-2010, 11:05 AM
oh and on swastikas

i bet this guys signature actually promotes the rights of native americans

but some misguided guys like me may see it as apology of nazism for depicting a swastika in a victorious way

so i apply the mods to warn this fuy for posible apology of nazism

contrary to apologize of craze which is allowed here i dont think is there such right here for posible apology of nazism

X32Wright
05-06-2010, 11:11 AM
OH my word...We now have Nok in here too?

p-11.cAce
05-06-2010, 11:12 AM
Raaaid its nice to see you again! I have been off the forums for a few years and am glad to see you and many of the other regulars again.

I agree 100% that the fun is lost when winning becomes paramount. For me it's the camaraderie and sense of purpose that I derive the most pleasure from. I think you must feel the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BillSwagger
05-06-2010, 11:16 AM
After reading this thread, i think my pulse went from 50 beats to 90. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

I actually thought you had a good thread going until it detracted a bit.

I don't fly the 190 or the Spit as much, and the amount of fun is usually limited to handful of sorties for me. I remember flying on a server that was an open dogfight, but everyone was flying spitfires. It was fun for 4 or 5 minutes and then i had to go do something else. Its like naming your favorite ice cream and then only having the option of eating it for every meal. Eventually, you just want to eat something else, and its not because you hate ice cream. Pluss, when its all Spitfires it just seems more like an arcade game.


Bill

Erkki_M
05-06-2010, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
oh and on swastikas

i bet this guys signature actually promotes the rights of native americans

but some misguided guys like me may see it as apology of nazism for depicting a swastika in a victorious way

so i apply the mods to warn this fuy for posible apology of nazism

contrary to apologize of craze which is allowed here i dont think is there such right here for posible apology of nazism </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why the heck would I want to promote the rights of native Americans?

The van Rosen cross was used before the NSDP party was even founded. The swastika itself is a symbol of luck of over 3000 years in age. Note that unlike the Nazi Swastika, the van Rosen cross is not tilted, and while the background is white, the cross itself is blue. If in flag, the background of the circle is blue - not red. The idea to use swastika as the NSDP's insignia was Hermann Göring's idea - he had visited van Rosen's mansion a decade back, well before he was a member of the party.

Dont even try to draw the "they were Nazie's allies" -card. Germans burned half of this country, before we managed to drive them away, just after stopping a full-size Soviet Army, supported by 1,000+ aircraft, on its summer offensive.

But, enough offtopic by me already.

kleaneasy
05-06-2010, 11:25 AM
raaaid if you have issue with a members signature or posting in the forums please use the report system, arguing on the public forum particularly when derailing a thread (regardless of who started the thread) is not the place to take the discussion up.

@ ALL - Back on topic please

Bremspropeller
05-06-2010, 11:29 AM
I never play to win.

I always play to lose with the most style http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

raaaid
05-06-2010, 11:30 AM
i dont know the way i see it, maybe im a litle crazy and im wrong is like if i had a signature of a black red white swastika and justified myeslf saying its an ancient sign of good luck

actually that would be just right but nowadays wouldnt be politically correct

heck why dont you get a plane with an swastika smoking? then i wouldnt complain

seems as if everithing was self evident and the baddies just seem so

so now in my book you re baddie

so your strategy is climbing to 6k expecting your enemy to be at 3k

then if your foe does as you hell climb to 9k

do you see this were it takes us?

that to me sounds just as crazy as the theres something about mary psicopath that made the 8 minutes work out to substitute the famous nine minutes one

man when i have a height advantage i turn off the thorttle for a fair turning duel

edit:

just seen your post mskleaneasy i wont argue any more about swastikas, sorry

edit:

i see your view on getting an extreme height advantage the typical occidental supposedly civilized world

of course its effective like weeping out nature cultures by technified ones but where does this reace for height advantage take us?

to play the game climbing for half hour before engaging?

the only way to have fun fighting is if its a fair game

they should have cutted the two fingers to the man who invented the bow

imagine the irony: a man preparing for life to have skills with a sword to be beaten by an unskillfull bowman

the bowman to be outmached by the gunner

and the ultimate weapons to selfdestruction

so i conclude trying to make the game favourable to all costs even killing the fun can only be a dark force path of self destruction and to not only lose the game but have a boring time with it

BillSwagger
05-06-2010, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
so your strategy is climbing to 6k expecting your enemy to be at 3k

then if your foe does as you hell climb to 9k
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was another sim i played for a couple months, and thats basically what it came down to. They'd fly over you with a 10kft advantage and just dive practically straight down. The idea of diving straight down is ludicrous, and then they'd pull out in less than 1000ft and zoom back up. It gets to be a battle for altitude, which i must say is sort of how it was, but there is no penalty for being overzealous.

As for this sim, it just depends on the pilot. I'm sure everyone plays to win, but some play for the sport, and others are just seven-year-olds trying to get as many kills as they can. I can't really get mad at a seven year old, but when there are older players who play with a similar mentality, i only begin to question why i'm playing the game.

Bill

Manu-6S
05-06-2010, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
man when i have a height advantage i turn off the thorttle for a fair turning duel
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
the only way to have fun fighting is if its a fair game
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Raaaid,

This is a game about air warfare. It's WAR.

Now tell me: if tomorrow our countries declare war each other and you are a soldier, if you have the chance to "snipe" an enemy what do you do?
Do you shout at him so that the battle is fair?

If you don't like to climb in your plane and instead you like turning dogfight there are so many arcade games out there. Choose one.

Because the way to play "a simulator" like IL2 is to SIMULATE war (Ducking for cover!!!!).

About pulse: I advise you to play at the F.E.A.R. series.

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JtD
05-06-2010, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I never play to win.

I always play to lose with the most style http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

That's one I've got to remember!

raaaid
05-06-2010, 12:09 PM
yes but something that hast put me off the game is verify 190 tactic efectivity

do you really think if you could kill someone unaware you would do it, even in war?

come on look on posturing most people in war didnt even shoot to kill but instead to the air, you see i even pretend the game to be more real than you, gotta be more deluded since even in the game is difficult for me shooting

i propose we ban any kind of weapon and let our wolrd leader solve their issues fist fighting

now arnold for president of spain

edit:

i havent made my mind out yet:

fly a 190 with high score, what i see as the dark path

or fly a spit with the bright force, duels with honour not minding the score

Erkki_M
05-06-2010, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
yes but something that hast put me off the game is verify 190 tactic efectivity

do you really think if you could kill someone unaware you would do it, even in war?

come on look on posturing most people in war didnt even shoot to kill but instead to the air, you see i even pretend the game to be more real than you, gotta be more deluded since even in the game is difficult for me shooting

i propose we ban any kind of weapon and let our wolrd leader solve their issues fist fighting

now arnold for president of spain

edit:

i havent made my mind out yet:

fly a 190 with high score, what i see as the dark path

or fly a spit with the bright force, duels with honour not minding the score </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yes, I could kill. And I would. And without warning anyone.

Now, why do you think the Spitfire is the "bright force" and FW190 "dark"?

They are two aircraft. They have strengths and weaknesses. The Spitfire's ability turn comes with the cost of low speed. The FW-190s speed comes with the cost or poor turn. To overly simplify things. The idea, as you must certainly know, is the exploit the opponent's weaknesses while making sure your weaknesses are not used against you. There is NOTHING stopping you to climb to a high altitude in your Spitfire; as the matter of fact, the speed gap between Spitfire and its typical opponents is much smaller at high altitudes. The only drawback is that you might not be able to see contacts below you, but hey, life sucks doesnt it?

Aerial combat, and hence il2, is much, much more than pulling the stick back in a turnfight, or "bouncing lower enemies, getting easy kills without skill". Much, much more.

You might want to jump in a "speed plane" yourself and see how little skill it takes, how easy it is. I am sure the first time you fail to keep up adequate situational awareness and get jumped by a Spitfire, your mind will change. But you will never do that.

You said that you'd be OK if my signature picture had a plane with a swastika going down. One of the reason I use such a signature is to raise thoughts, but you failed to see the big picture, all you could see was an attempt of insult and troll.

JtD
05-06-2010, 12:42 PM
Top speed of Fw 190A-5 at 6300m: 656 km/h.
Top speed of Fw 190A-6 at 6300m: 651 km/h.
Top speed of M66 Spitfire LF MkIX at 6400m: 650 km/h.

The Spitfire was not a "slow" aircraft. The German chose to provide more power at low altitude, so on the deck the Fw was faster. And that's about it.

(These are some official numbers, individual planes might have gone faster.)

Erkki_M
05-06-2010, 12:52 PM
EDIT: A useless post; wont be leading nowhere.

raaaid
05-06-2010, 12:58 PM
oh ive caught countless time a 190 in a spit online just by flying higher in thinner air

if you do it right in a spit is imposible for the 190 to evade but the right way as usual takes time

as amatter of fact while i was trying to get a 1500 m gap with the spit to do that track the damm ai started flying higher on thinner air so it was becoming dificyult to get the 1500 m gap

spit faster than 190 since it flies higher in thinner air

in fact 190s advantages are limited to 40 people server in 20 people server spit has all the advanatge

LLv34_Flanker
05-06-2010, 01:53 PM
S!

Really..I do not get this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We play a game, that's all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wildnoob
05-06-2010, 11:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
i dont know the way i see it, maybe im a litle crazy and im wrong is like if i had a signature of a black red white swastika and justified myeslf saying its an ancient sign of good luck

actually that would be just right but nowadays wouldnt be politically correct

heck why dont you get a plane with an swastika smoking? then i wouldnt complain

seems as if everithing was self evident and the baddies just seem so

so now in my book you re baddie </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, what about get ride of the Red Star too?

You know... uncle Joe was not a sort of nice person like Hitler, for instance, kill 7 to 10 million Ukrainians by hungry is not a nice thing, isn't?

I already used planes with Swastikas in my signature and this not made me a "bad guy", as well as when used from Soviet planes not made a commie.

In our environment I guess we all understand the objective is not support ideologies but simple depict the planes as they were, right?

BaronUnderpants
05-07-2010, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erkki_M:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
oh and on swastikas

i bet this guys signature actually promotes the rights of native americans

but some misguided guys like me may see it as apology of nazism for depicting a swastika in a victorious way

so i apply the mods to warn this fuy for posible apology of nazism

contrary to apologize of craze which is allowed here i dont think is there such right here for posible apology of nazism </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why the heck would I want to promote the rights of native Americans?

The van Rosen cross was used before the NSDP party was even founded. The swastika itself is a symbol of luck of over 3000 years in age. Note that unlike the Nazi Swastika, the van Rosen cross is not tilted, and while the background is white, the cross itself is blue. If in flag, the background of the circle is blue - not red. The idea to use swastika as the NSDP's insignia was Hermann Göring's idea - he had visited van Rosen's mansion a decade back, well before he was a member of the party.

Dont even try to draw the "they were Nazie's allies" -card. Germans burned half of this country, before we managed to drive them away, just after stopping a full-size Soviet Army, supported by 1,000+ aircraft, on its summer offensive.

But, enough offtopic by me already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


If it hasnt been mentioned yet, the swastika is also a mirror image of the von Rosen cross, the "hooks" is "bent" the othere way arround. Sry, only way i can explain it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


The nazis where wery much into old symbolism and thoose sort of things, proppably why they used it to begin with.

DKoor
05-07-2010, 05:14 AM
In most cases I play with honour. Unless I'm flying vs immature kids whose every second word is f**k this or cheater that (I don't frequent the same places they do but they sometimes get lost in the "more realistic places"http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

Anyhow object is to win but to "show mercy" by all means if possible (meaning no chute shooting, leaving doomed planes alone in order for pilot to bail etc.)...

I'd do it IRL too, as I'm not one of those sadistic nutjobs who believe in black/white world, us vs evil them mentality etc.

raaaid
05-07-2010, 07:11 AM
id say a fair game is like a divine judgement

in equal cincurumstances the one who knwos to be morally right is reenforced

happened in wwii where the nazis fought wishing to be beaten or even killed or the american civil war, could they really expect god to be on their side?

lately i take playing as a mood ethics tester

the best i pilot the best my mood ethics are

of course there will always people who cheat at this judgement either climbing at 12k or fighting bow using natives with wicnhetser73

yes youve won but the game has got boring and soon none will play it

Manu-6S
05-07-2010, 07:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
In most cases I play with honour. Unless I'm flying vs immature kids whose every second word is f**k this or cheater that (I don't frequent the same places they do but they sometimes get lost in the "more realistic places"http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

Anyhow object is to win but to "show mercy" by all means if possible (meaning no chute shooting, leaving doomed planes alone in order for pilot to bail etc.)...

I'd do it IRL too, as I'm not one of those sadistic nutjobs who believe in black/white world, us vs evil them mentality etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bouncing an enemy plane and aiming to kill the enemy pilot are two different things.

The death of the pilot should be a secondary consequence.

Manu-6S
05-07-2010, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
yes youve won but the game has got boring and soon none will play it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This because you're not "playing" the game at his full potential.

Have you ever tried an online Air War?

Wildnoob
05-07-2010, 08:02 AM
Raaaid, if a player is climbing for high altitude to B&Z you, you can't complain, because you can do the same if you want. The arcade players complain a lot about this, but they are not forbidden to do the same, they simple don't want others play another game instead of the one they like.

It would be exactly the same if a server not allowed T&B and only B&Z.

raaaid
05-07-2010, 08:11 AM
yes but if you turn it into a height contest isnt gonna be boring

i was only remarking the tacit agreement at least in the servers i play not to abuse of height

thats called pseudotelepathy and happens in multiplayer quantum like games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_pseudo-telepathy

this quantum pseutelepathy is what ruins relativity

you see you cant send info faster than light but you can sen pseudoinfo through quantum entanglement as to win the game 100% with whichout this pseudoinfo you would only win 50%

you see this is as stupid as saying energy is almost conserved, see you cant send info only "pseudo"info, NOTHING

but well einstein was smart ans sane and im just a wacko, so plz ignore me i even ignore myself, whos gonna be right

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isnt it amzing like one hand clapping

the difference NOTHING makes is either winning the game 50 50 or 100%

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It has been demonstrated[4] that the above described game is the simplest two-player game in which quantum pseudo-telepathy can occur. Other games in which Quantum pseudo-telepathy occurs have been studied, including larger magic square games,[5] graph colouring games[6] and multiplayer games involving more than two participants.[

robtek1957
05-08-2010, 12:10 PM
@raaid

to fly a plane not according to its strenghts is plain dumb!
You like to fly the spitfire and turn fights, well, on the servers i fly on every noob takes a spit because he gets kills with it.
In other fighters, especially the mid to late war blue ones, one must fly by the book to score.
Those people, which seek a challenge, will go up in a not so famous plane and try to score with it.
If one gets a spit IX in a MC202, that is a achievment, not the other way around.

Oh, by the way, you prefer the spit and put up this thread title???

Swivet
05-10-2010, 08:33 AM
I try to look at it this way: Imagine how a real world fighter pilot or soldier would leave the barracks to go fight a mission. I am sure they dont go out expecting to come back with a trophy. I'd imagine they just wanna do their job, protect their comrades and come back alive. But this is just a game, so there are nights when certain missions are loaded or a certain type of plane is used, and all ya want to do is just win...I guess it depends on how in-depth a mission or how in depth you are feeling about flying that night..I try to look at every mission as a planned, teamplay, tactical force to overcome the enemy, instead of just "Red vs Blue" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif