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CraytonRoberts
07-25-2004, 04:55 PM
I've been try to use flap contols in combat with the IX. What gives? First of all, at take off,the only manual (ie not autopilot) contols are "landing" and Raised" but on auto you get the correct flap setting for take off. Then, in combat, there's no apparent ability to use, say "comabt flaps" or their equivalent. Is this a bug? Second, where are the radiator controls? I don't seem to have them anymore, under Contols settings.

CraytonRoberts
07-25-2004, 04:55 PM
I've been try to use flap contols in combat with the IX. What gives? First of all, at take off,the only manual (ie not autopilot) contols are "landing" and Raised" but on auto you get the correct flap setting for take off. Then, in combat, there's no apparent ability to use, say "comabt flaps" or their equivalent. Is this a bug? Second, where are the radiator controls? I don't seem to have them anymore, under Contols settings.

CPS_Lav69
07-25-2004, 05:01 PM
Radiator is automaticly controlled, as well as prop pitch. Flaps, just the two settings.

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MEGILE
07-25-2004, 05:02 PM
The flaps, as in real life only had the up or full down settings.. and similarly the radiator is automated like in real life.

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Farkitt_
07-25-2004, 08:28 PM
Yeah, It's correct how it is mate. With the Spits High wing Loading, ya dont really need takeoff flaps anyway. If ya do ya doing it wrong


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CraytonRoberts
07-25-2004, 08:33 PM
So then why are the flaps on "auto" set between raised and landing?Which is the bug, the auto setting on takeoff,or the "all or none" setting? Are you saying that in combat only the Spitfire pilot didn't use flaps? If he used landing flaps in high-speed combat he risked tearing them off.! Are you saying that the Spit was unique in this respect?

Z1stDan
07-25-2004, 08:49 PM
You can use the flaps during combat. I will punch to landing flaps for just a little while to aid in the turn but must put them back fairly quickly to avoid jamming. It works good, but every once in a while I'm not paying attention and leave them on too long which jams the flaps. Oh Well!

BennyMoore
07-25-2004, 08:56 PM
Yes, the bug is with the autopilot. The real Spitfire apparently only had two flap settings. Kind off odd...

IAFS_Painter
07-26-2004, 01:40 AM
Put the flaps on a slider (that word - duck).

It's a software design feature.
I have flaps on a slider (OK, a rotary) and can get finer control over Spit (and Hurricanes?) flaps.
For other types, I still use the three position flaps.

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leadbaloon
07-26-2004, 01:41 AM
From the flaps section of Pilots Notes for the Spitfire...

"The split flaps have only two positions, up and fully down. They cannot therefore, be used to assist take off. They are operated pneumatically and are controlled by a finger lever."

John_Stag
07-26-2004, 03:03 AM
and tended to break at high speed. Spits don't use flaps for anything other than landing.

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WOLFMondo
07-26-2004, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by leadbaloon:
From the flaps section of Pilots Notes for the Spitfire...

"The split flaps have only two positions, up and fully down. They cannot therefore, be used to assist take off. They are operated pneumatically and are controlled by a finger lever."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I belive early seafires had wooden wedges jammed into the flaps to push them down a few degrees to help take off and then would lower and then raise there flaps after take off to get rid of them. Im not sure if this is the same for later seafires though.

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John_Stag
07-26-2004, 03:25 AM
Airflow at high speeds was usually enough to get rid of the wedges. The same trick was used to give spitfires loaded with ordanance an assist in takeoff.

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CraytonRoberts
07-26-2004, 09:05 AM
Thanks for the info on Spit flaps. I stand corrected. It just seemed strange to me that the AI was different on auto Takeoff than when not.
But what about radiator settings? They aren't in my Controls settings anymore. Anyone else have this problem? I know that the Spit may have had auto rad controls, but what about the other a/c?
Bob Roberts

leadbaloon
07-26-2004, 01:37 PM
The Spit IX had auto radiator.

The radiator in IL2 is listed as cowl/armour flaps in the controls and has 5 settings in allied 'planes. They start as closed then positions 2 4 6 8 Open, then one more tap of the assigned key (I think default is R), and they're closed up again.

BennyMoore
07-26-2004, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IAFS_Painter:
Put the flaps on a slider (_that_ word - duck).

It's a software design _feature_.
I have flaps on a slider (OK, a rotary) and can get finer control over Spit (and Hurricanes?) flaps.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...Finer, unrealistic control. Guess what? You're a ******! Congratulations!

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