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oldtimer1946
07-09-2007, 01:56 PM
I've spent some time recently trawling various posts trying to get some idea of what I should or shouldn't be doing online. Time and again I read the same beefs about noobs from you more experienced fliers. It seems to me that it might be useful to gather all your favourites together in one thread - education for us, less p***** off factor for you.

Examples i've found (through reading other's posts, not experience):
Kill stealing - if I had seen a lone, smoking aircraft I just might have been tempted to have
a go - I now know better.
If your enemy is damaged and is showing lights/gear down - disengage.
And my favourite - noob shouts for help, experienced m8 shows up and saves his a**. Noob then swans off into the distance leaving experienced m8 to fight off 2 or 3 enemy alone (from TheDawg).

I am sure there will be many others, but I would ask that it doesn't become too much of a noob-bashing exercise. Some of us are keen to learn the right way, we just need the information.

It won't stop the ill-mannered and rude from doing what they've always done, but I feel sure you have your own ways of dealing with them.

So what do you thing guys? Worth a shot, or a complete waste of time?

oldtimer1946
07-09-2007, 01:56 PM
I've spent some time recently trawling various posts trying to get some idea of what I should or shouldn't be doing online. Time and again I read the same beefs about noobs from you more experienced fliers. It seems to me that it might be useful to gather all your favourites together in one thread - education for us, less p***** off factor for you.

Examples i've found (through reading other's posts, not experience):
Kill stealing - if I had seen a lone, smoking aircraft I just might have been tempted to have
a go - I now know better.
If your enemy is damaged and is showing lights/gear down - disengage.
And my favourite - noob shouts for help, experienced m8 shows up and saves his a**. Noob then swans off into the distance leaving experienced m8 to fight off 2 or 3 enemy alone (from TheDawg).

I am sure there will be many others, but I would ask that it doesn't become too much of a noob-bashing exercise. Some of us are keen to learn the right way, we just need the information.

It won't stop the ill-mannered and rude from doing what they've always done, but I feel sure you have your own ways of dealing with them.

So what do you thing guys? Worth a shot, or a complete waste of time?

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 07:33 PM
This is the section on online etiquette from the IL-2 User's Guide at Eastern Skies. You can get the most current version of the guide here...

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/download.htm (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Echapman/il2guide/download.htm)

I believe it's from Dart's document of the same name which you can see here...

http://www.darts-page.com/

Maybe Bearcat can put a link to it in his Nugget's Guide to Getting of the Ground.

8.4 Online etiquette

So you've decided to go online and test your mettle against actual human
pilots, but don't want to come off as either a complete "n00b" or break
the "rules" of online play. This section is meant to provide some basics
concerning what is expected behavior, and to outline a few conventions of
courtesy.

Before we get to the finer points of saluting, let's get to the heart of
online etiquette, the one rule that goes before all else:

Don't be a Jerk.

If you can remember that, chances are the rest of this section is really
just window-dressing. There are a few other things you should know to be
further appreciated, and probably should know online. For lack of a better
order, here are a few important ones in "alphabetical order."

Ask questions If you don't know what you're doing, ask! Lots of folks will
be more than happy to answer you in a polite manner. Don't constantly
apologize for not knowing what you're doing. If somebody asks a question
that you know the answer to, answer it politely, and don't be smug.

Cheating

There are two aspects to cheating that you must be aware of.
The first is the Cheating Detected message that appears in the upper-right- Cheating
hand corner of the screen. It has nothing to do with cheating at all, but ev- Detected!
erything to do with Internet connections. That message essentially indicates
that there is a fair amount of lag going on. Lag is a time delay between the
host server and the individual player machines connected to it. A certain
number of people have found that they can alter their connection speed in
order to intentionally induce lag and thus warp around a server. To fix this,
an autokick feature was introduced to servers that works based on excessive
lag and, rather unfortunately, uses the on-screen text Cheating Detected
to indicate this condition. Few people really try to cheat this way, so please
learn to interpret this message as the simple presence of lag.

The second aspect is accusation. Never accuse anyone of cheating. If the
pilot in question is an experienced player who who's really into flight sims,
they'll probably take a screen shot and use it as proof of their skill"”there
is no higher compliment than being accused of cheating in a sim where
the flight and damage models are closed. If the pilot is not so experienced
or have an over-developed "serious gland," they're likely to become very
upset and you'll have made an enemy rather than a friend. The flight-sim
community is a close one, and you're likely to be seeing the same people for
a very long time in a lot of other sims. Accuse a lot of people of cheating
often and your reputation may follow you, probably resulting in you getting
booted from servers for causing trouble.

Never assume that just because externals are on in a server that folks
are using it as "radar" to detect you before seeing you–it's not only impolite
to accuse people of doing so, it could very well be completely false. This
appropriately leads into the next section.

Complaining

This is a High Crime. The server settings are available for
review before you enter a server; it is your responsibility to look at them.
Likewise, you must read the briefing at the start of the mission and obey the
server rules. Entering a "full real" server (one with all difficulty settings enabled)
and berating the host for not enabling padlock or icons will gain you
no sympathy and, if you persist, booted out of the server. What? You don't
like "all planes" servers with icons, optional cockpit and no AA protection
for the airfields? Very well, exit to find a new one"”but don't forget to type
something like "Salute! Thanks for hosting!" before doing so. (This will be
your secret code phrase for "Arcade weenies!") You can ask for a change in
settings on the server where you are; some hosts will do so if others chime
in as well. But be polite.

If somebody's shooting you down a lot, don't gripe about it. Learn to
avoid that player, as he's an ace of sorts! Or, better yet, start to play as part
of a team (see below).

Cursing

Don't curse in the chat buffer. It irritates everyone and really
makes those with kids mad. A seven-year-old sitting behind his dad to
watch while he plays online does not need to read the "F-word," thank you.
Some regular dogfight-server hosts will give one warning and then boot for
a second offense. Other hosts have a "no swearing" warning as part of the
mission briefing, and will boot on the first offense.

Know your skill level

If you can't tell a FW-190 from a P-39, perhaps a
no-icon server isn't for you. These things come with time. If you're in a
server where you're hopelessly lost or having so much difficulty that it's no
fun, then give a "Salute!" and move on. There's no patented "right" way to
play the game.

Matching plane sets

Many dogfight servers are "all planes," meaning that
just about every plane in the sim is available. Look to see who's flying what
by pressing the S key once you've started out, in order to see what folks
are flying. If fifteen of sixteen players are all in 1942 planes, perhaps you
should rethink your selection of the ME-262 or LA-7. It's not "wrong" to
pick a plane that's "superior" to the others, but you'll find that everyone will
appreciate you being a good sport.

Play as part of a team

Just because you find yourself in a dogfight server
doesn't mean you can't show some team spirit! Fly along with others on
your side, escort a bomber, call for help and let folks know where the bad
guys are. Assist in kills, watch the other fellow's six, take out anti-air guns,
and get in the game. You'll not only make everyone glad you're there, you'll
have more fun. If others don't want to play as part of a team, ignore them
and find others that do. In coop missions, team play will be essential to
achieving the mission goals.

Salute!

Typing Salute!, <S>, S! or the "russified" C! into the chat buffer
indicates that you are saluting the other players. This is not only a greeting,
but also a common response after shooting someone down or being shot
down yourself. It means the battle was won fairly, that you respect the
other player even though, for example, you just fooled them into diving
after you and losing all of their control surfaces, or that you respect the fact
that they fooled you into diving too fast! It can also mean, "No hard feelings,
I'll get you the next time!" "Good gravy, man, I'm in a TB-3. It's not like I
can maneuver out of the way of your head-on pass, try not to ram me next
time," "Great battle, I really thought you'd get me (or, I'd never get you)."

Pilots commonly salute when entering or leaving a server. In short, the
S! is a sign of respect to the host for putting up a server and to other pilots.
Keep in mind that it is not required"”you are not necessarily snubbing anybody
if you don't use it, nor is anyone else who doesn't use it snubbing you.
In addition, use of the S! is interpreted by some as gloating or smugness. It
isn't. If it is, shrug it off.

Shooting bailed pilots

While some think nothing bad of it, many players
do, particularly in scripted servers or tournaments. The best course of action
is to simply not shoot parachutes. It doesn't hurt or help you to do so. It
adds insult to injury for most people. Doing this is can get you booted on
some servers, and if you do it you take the risk of taking the fight beyond
the virtual skies.

Skill

Some players are very skillful. Others are not. Never tell someone
they stink at flying! If they do, they probably know it. Only offer help once;
nobody likes somebody critiquing them constantly in a game. If you stink at
it, don't worry about it. There are no cash prizes for shooting planes down,
just see improvement as an interesting challenge. Don't single out new or
poor players. Go after the more skillful first, and allow the inexperienced
pilot a chance to figure things out and learn that people fly differently than
the AI. If you can, help the other player out in non-verbal ways, such as using
maneuvers that they have a better chance of keeping up with and learning
from. Only taunt players whom you know well"”and be mild about it and
clearly humorous. Remember that messages in the chat don't always convey
your intended good humor.

Stealing kills

If you see two pilots fighting and one has the upper hand
(and is on your side), orbit around, take up a number-two slot behind him
or maneuver in a perpendicular plane to establish a higher energy state, but
don't shoot. Let the guy that has done all the work finish him off. You can
always ask if he needs help; chances are he'll say yes and move off so you
can get the shot. If you do shoot down a heavily damaged plane in a big
furball, consider typing "Salute! Team!" or something similar, which is a
very nice way of saying that it was you that put the last bullet in the plane,
but not most of them. You might also follow up with an explanation, such as
"That was XXX's kill, not mine. Great flying XXX!" You'll make friends and
be appreciated for it.

Squadrons

Those funny numbers and letters in front of everyone's names
represent virtual squadrons. A squadron is essentially a club of sorts where
guys get together at the same time and fly. Sometimes they practice with
each other. Squadrons allow you to gain entry into tournaments, online
wars, etc. They are often based on a historically unit or squadron, but not
always. There are players that just stick something in front of their names
to avoid looking like mercenaries. A mercenary is the term for independent
flyers as they're often invited to join tournaments as part of a squadron
without formally joining one.

If you see a coop forming that's all one squadron or has
"XXX Squad Practice" in the title of a dogfight server, ask before taking a
slot or when first joining it to find out whether you're welcome. If the server
is private it will probably be password-protected, but not always. Chances
are you will be welcome, but if they ask you to please not join, do so with
a "Salute!" (In this case the salute will be your secret code for saying "Fine,
you arrogant elitists, I'll go play elsewhere since you're not worthy of my
skills.") They'll remember you were respectful and chances are invite you
in next time. They might also invite you in to play the "spoiler" in their
server as they practice. Be warned, though, they're almost sure to be on
voice comms and are probably practicing team tactics"”you will most likely
be ganged up on. They may even invite you to join at some point, as most
squads recruit based on personality rather than skill.

In conclusion, just be nice, be yourself, relax, and have fun. Be respectful
of others, and they'll be respectful of you. And if all else fails, remember that
you can host servers and missions yourself!

Waldo.Pepper
07-09-2007, 08:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If your enemy is damaged and is showing lights/gear down - disengage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know where this one came from - but I think its nonsense. If Robert Stansford Tuck or Adolf Galland turns on their lights - doesn't matter! They are gonna get killed. Same thing with dropping their gear. I know there were exception during the war! But they are just that. Exceptions!

WhtBoy
07-09-2007, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oldtimer1946:
Kill stealing - if I had seen a lone, smoking aircraft I just might have been tempted to have
a go - I now know better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are cheating your team if you follow this rule!!! If, when you first sight him he's alone that might just as easily mean that he shot down your teammate who damaged him. If he's in a dweebfire he probably downed 8 or 9 of your teammates. Don't let the bastage get away with that!!!

Now, if you see a teammate whale upon him mightily and then disengage for some reason (damage, fuel, ammo, gotto take a huge dump, etc.) then by all means, don't finish him off without asking.

--Outlaw.

P.S.
Howard Johnson ...I mean Waldo... is right!! The gear/light disengage stuff is a load of horse hockey. Close the book/post in which you read this and don't ever open it again!

LStarosta
07-09-2007, 08:32 PM
All in all, the Il-2 community is a lot more newb friendly than a lot of other communities. Sh*t, a lot of people like skiers, snowboarders, fishers, downhill bikers, surfers, and hell... even runners tend to be elitist territorial *** holes that will much rather call you a kook and explain all the reasons why you suck instead of offering you help, tips, or teaching you new tricks.

"My beach, my wave, my girl... f*ck you..."

Yeah, whatever, I'm sick of that bull. Il-2 is a nice change of pace.

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 08:40 PM
Keep in mind too that every server has it's own set of rules. Some servers are strict and some may opt to follow only a few of the "rules". Others have no rules at all. I've happened on a few that made up the rules on the fly to serve the whims of the host (avoid those).

Most good servers list the do's and don'ts in the mission brief. I think that's one of the biggest mistakes newcomers make. Read the brief! If the brief is unclear ask someone. Not only will the brief give you mission objectives reading it may keep one from any major faux pas.

S!

Sillius_Sodus
07-09-2007, 08:46 PM
LStarosta,

Remember, time wounds all heels http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

-HH-Quazi
07-09-2007, 08:50 PM
Hey Crash. That post should be required reading for the new m8s coming in and wanting to fly online. I may start a thread with a title to match the subject & copy-n-paste your post with all due credit and sticky it. Maybe call the thread, "Online Etiquette" or something along those lines. Fantastic post m8!

jimDG
07-09-2007, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
All in all, the Il-2 community is a lot more newb friendly than a lot of other communities. Sh*t, a lot of people like skiers, snowboarders, fishers, downhill bikers, surfers, and hell... even runners tend to be elitist territorial *** holes that will much rather call you a kook and explain all the reasons why you suck instead of offering you help, tips, or teaching you new tricks.

"My beach, my wave, my girl... f*ck you..."

Yeah, whatever, I'm sick of that bull. Il-2 is a nice change of pace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With the minor exception of answering "Ctrl-E" to all ingame key-related question such as "How do I open the gunsight", "How do I open the radiators", etc.
It never fails! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
07-09-2007, 08:57 PM
The kill stealing just kills me how stupid people are. In recent memory (one that is now burned in my head) a unnamed pilot who was probably somewhat new charged in on a kill that I had already made.

Moments before he arrived me, in a Yak-1, had engaged a Bf109F-4 and managed to get behind the 109 which had pulled up sharpy to try and escape and I had pummeled him with my twin machine guns and 20mm cannon. Having crippled the 109s engine and seeing the canopy pop off I broke off my attack. Now...enter the newbie action hero with his Yak or Mig who proceeds to spray the stricken 109 that is smoking, fuel tank leaking, cockpit and pilot missing (although hard to spot admitedly) and is at 250m and heading straight for the ground.

I'm all for engaging a semi-damaged aircraft that is still flying under its own power in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no friendlies about as WhtBoy points out...such a blatant kill steal that I just described is different.

Newbies out there...its ok to be new but its not ok to be stupid either. Use your brain and some common sense. Planes trailing smoke with their noses pointed at the ground and are at very low altitudes are not faking it or a threat to anyone except possibly any small rodents living under the impact site.

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 09:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
Hey Crash. That post should be required reading for the new m8s coming in and wanting to fly online. I may start a thread with a title to match the subject & copy-n-paste your post with all due credit and sticky it. Maybe call the thread, "Online Etiquette" or something along those lines. Fantastic post m8! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Believe it or not I Googled it. I put in "IL-2 online etiquette" and that was the first hit. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

FlixFlix
07-09-2007, 10:23 PM
I found this old posting concerning online etiquette:

1.) When you connect to a server the first thing you should do is to insult the host. A good start is to complain about the "CRAPPY PING!!" and "F*CKING LAAAAG!!!". This is a very commonly used introduction, especially if you're connecting via 14kb dial-up modem powered by a half-starved hamster from somewhere in inner Mongolia...
Then it is custom to complain about the map, the planeset, the realism options and the CRAPPY MISSION in general. Keep in mind typing in ALL CAPS is considered cool and makes you look like a true WW2 ace.

2.) Choosing the side: of course you should ALWAYS chose the side with the numerical superiority. 9 blue vs 2 red? Let's join blue and call the red players "SORE L00SERS!!!!". Never choose the outgunned team.

3.) In the cockpit: if you realize you can't switch off the virtual cockpit, immediately spam the chat with "WHY ONLY COCKPIT VIEW???? THIS SUXXXX!". If you can, immediately start spamming the chat with "WHAT KIND OF SISSIE SETTINGS BS IS THIS????".

4.) Accidently release your bomb while still on the runway and blow up yourself and as many friendly planes as possible. An appropriate comment would be something like "WTF???!!!".

5.) Start again, push the throttle forward and RAM the plane right in front of you preparing for take-off. After the explosion a little excuse would be the right thing to do. A "WTF????" will do, too.

6.) If you manage to actually shoot down an enemy plane "S!" means you salute your opponent for a good fight. "GOT U BIATCH!!!" or "HA! I GOT U AGAIN MOTHERF*CKER YOU SUXX A$$ I OWNZ YOU1111" typed several times for the next 10 minutes might be a bit too much.

7.) If YOU get shot down "S!" your opponent, congratulating him on a good kill. A "Nice shot!" is much appreciated, as is "F*CKING CHEATER I'LL HAVE U BANNED FROM HYPERLOBBY I HATE YOU F*CKKING CHEATERS JUST LIKE IN COUNTERSTRIKE YOU SORRY L000SER!!!".

8. Look for an enemy plane that one of your team mates has really shot up.. especially if its a bomber.. and your team mate was in a fierce fight with the enemy plane the las 15-20 minutes. and the enemy plane is even really smoking badly, and perhaps you team mates plane has been mauled pretty bad in the fight.. JUSt Zoom right in there in front of your buddies plane and hose the
doomed enemy plane with more shells.. STEAL THAT KILL!! your buddy wont mind. He'll appreciate the fact that you came to help after he fought so tenaciously the last half hour.

Now quit the game and start a whiny thread on the UBI forum how your plane is undermodelled and how your opponent's plane is overmodelled. Provide diagrams showing funny curves in different colours and ignore any reasonable comments from people who actually know what they're talking about. Head to Oleg's Ready Room and tell him what you really think about him, this CRAPPY GAME, the software industry and life in general.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!,
I/JG78_Flix

ake109
07-10-2007, 12:36 AM
I am quite new to online IL2 but here are some rants :

If after a fierce dogfight, the other guy runs out of ammo, he then turns for homebase and immediately switches on his landing/nav lights. Really annoying! I know there is a big gray area as too how early you should or should not turn on the nav lights.

I am around the enemy airbase, the other guy is just taking off, I low level buzz him wihout shooting and wag my wings to say hello. Bugger proceeds to shoot at me with his flaps still down!

Kill stealing. Hard to draw a line between kill stealing and assisting in a fight. I think as long as I am not shoulder shooting, it is alright to down the enemy. Certaintly in WW2, no squadron mate is going to yell 'KILL STEALER' as long as you are not shooting over his shoulder.

The other extreme is when I am shooting at one guy and 3 or 4 of my teamates are all shooting behind me!

I remember one experience when I was over the enemy airbase and 4 enemies were all shooting at me (3 shoulder shooters). I flew close to this guy who was landing and they blew off his wing and he crashed. I then dumped my smoking aircraft into 2 more boogies who had just respawned on the ground - FUN!


.

ElSjonnie
07-10-2007, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
All in all, the Il-2 community is a lot more newb friendly than a lot of other communities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps because most people tend to stay noobs themselves. I don't mean this in a bad way, I'm just saying a lot of people are more interested in aviation and history than actually getting good at this game.

In really competitive games (for example CoD2, where I come from) it might seem a lot less noob friendly, but it sure is a lot easier to learn (top players writing articles etc).

rnzoli
07-10-2007, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ake109:
Certaintly in WW2, no squadron mate is going to yell 'KILL STEALER' as long as you are not shooting over his shoulder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't be so sure! Yes, it did happen sometimes even in WWII http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ake109
07-10-2007, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ake109:
Certaintly in WW2, no squadron mate is going to yell 'KILL STEALER' as long as you are not shooting over his shoulder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't be so sure! Yes, it did happen sometimes even in WWII http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, at least I never heard or read about it. And it makes sense to me, after all, in a real war, getting home alive and not having the enemy put one more round into your coolant lines while you preparing for another firing pass is more important then worrying about 1 more kill marker.

I do read about pilots getting annoyed with 'shoulder firing' but that is a whole different situation since your life is being threatened.

ake109
07-10-2007, 05:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oldtimer1946:

And my favourite - noob shouts for help, experienced m8 shows up and saves his a**. Noob then swans off into the distance leaving experienced m8 to fight off 2 or 3 enemy alone (from TheDawg).
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not my fault! I keep getting shot down 2 or 3 seconds before the guy arrived.

(yes it really happened several times on my first few forays. Thanks to whoever it was that tried to help though... if you are reading this).

Ernst_Rohr
07-10-2007, 08:51 AM
IL-2 online Do's and Dont's

Do:
1) Ask Questions: If you dont know, ask. Its better to fess up to being a noob than having folks thing your an idiot. Most fliers will help polite newbies, and 90% will avoid idiots like the plague. The other 10% will shoot you for being an idiot.

2) COMMUNICATE! The single biggest thing in the game. Communicate! If there is a TS channel for the server, get in it! Even if you cant talk (no mic) LISTEN! There is a chat bar for a reason, use it!

3) Be polite! This goes without saying, but being polite goes a long way to cementing peoples opinions about you as a flyer, and avoids misunderstandings. If you make a mistake, you should apologize immediately. Most veteran players will forgive a new player making mistakes, particularly if they are up front about it and polite. This is particularly important if your flying no icons and your having a hard time with aircraft id, even vets make mistakes, so fess up and apologize when you make a mistake.

4) RTFM! This stands for "Read the F***ing Manual", if there is a mission brief for the server, READ IT! Some servers are pretty much anything goes (dogfight) and other servers are mission based and historical plane sets. The rules of engagement on different servers can be very different in regards to rules of engagement and what roles different planes should be flying. Take off and landings and airfield vulching in particular are VERY important items to pay attention to.

5) Learn Ground Handling! Probably one of the single biggest problems on just about every server is pilots with poor ground handling and taxi skills. Poor ground handling will make you VERY unpopular with your fellow pilots! Nothing makes other pilots angrier than being wrecked on the ground by some impatient jerk what wont follow proper ground handling procedures. FYI, in most servers slamming the thottle open and taking off on the ramp, taxiway, or bisecting the active runway are generally seen as really poor behavior. This is especially important on closed cockpit full switch servers, since visibility on most planes is poor on the ground. Learning how to serpentine is a very important skill!

6) ID YOUR TARGET! If you cant tell the difference between a Spit and a 109, flying full switch servers might not be a good idea. If your not sure on the target, break off and get angle on the bird and id the shape or the national markings. Shooting down friendly planes will make you REALLY unpopular rather quickly.

7) Check your national markings and skins BEFORE you fly! This is another one that will get you yelled at quickly. Wearing the wrong national markings will get you shot down in many cases, and friendly pilots will often hold negative points against you! Also, many servers WONT let you fly customized skins, you should always check before you fly. Not paying attention to this will get you kicked and/or banned from servers.

8) CHECK WEAPONS! Many servers limit particular weapons configurations, make sure to check before grabbing the biggest guns available, if numbers are limited and you violate that, some servers will auto kick you. This is a big deal for a lot of coop servers as well, if your mission role is ground attack, take the right package for the mission. If the mission P-38's are tasked with ground attack, taking one off a fighter jaunt inst going to make you popular with the coop planners.

DONT's;

1) DONT shoulder shoot! This is a really good way to anger your fellow pilots. Its universally seen as poor flying and poor behavior on all but the most anarchic dogfight servers. On more structured servers, persistent shoulder shooting and kill stealing behavior will get you banned.

2) DONT kill steal! The single biggest way to make yourself unpopular on a server is to consistently steal other pilots kills. NEVER shoot an aircraft after a pilot has bailed. If you make a mistake, own up and apologize quickly. Mistakes happen, but if you steal a kill and say nothing, folks will automatically assume your a jerk.

3) DONT ********! Nothing is more dangerous that 4 or 5 friendly planes all trying to get on the six of a single enemy plane. It happens often, and its a great way to wind up with a mid air collision or a friendly fire problem. If you wind up in the position, get out!

4) DONT badmouth! If you dont like a map on server, politely request a change. If you like a map, ask for an extension. DONT ***** about plane sets, maps, or server administration in chat. Most servers will kick/ban for that. Also, dont badmouth other players. Telling other pilots to check their targets, or to check fire is one thing, cussing them out for it is generally just going to get you in trouble or kicked from a server, even if your in the right.

5) DONT be a kill*****! Kill*****s are the pilots who only care about how many enemy kills they have and the virtual points they represent. Kill*****s will do anything for a kill. Shoulder shoot, kill steal, pretty much anything they can get away with. Most kill*****s ignore rules when convenient, ignore mission goals, and tend to be insufferably arrogant and/or abrasive.

Kill*****s also tend to be dedicated lone wolf flyers because just about everyone else cant stand them.

Do everyone else a favor and DONT be a kill*****!



Finally, the biggest single thing is find a play style your comfortable with, and and stick to servers that cater to it. If your all about T&B dogfighting with WW view or pits off, then by all means enjoy it, but stick to servers that cater to it. Dont show up on a full switch closed pit server and complain about the rules!

There is no "right" way to fly in IL-2!

If you like dogfighting on open pit servers with full icons and externals, go for it! Enjoy yourself and have fun.

If you like the challenge of full on navigation, closed pits and getting as close as you can to a full on simulation, go for it!

This sim caters to all sorts of flyers, and you should easily be able to find the right fit for your style of flying. There is a tendency to folks to start off flying dogfight servers and to slowly work their way up to flying full switch. Similarly, there is a tendency for folks to start off flying T&B (Turn and Burn) dogfighters and gradually working up to flying B&Z (Boom & Zoom) energy fighters. Dont feel that you "have" to do the same thing. (There is also a tendency toward elitism by some flyers that go this route, ignore it and do whats right for you!)

Crash_Moses
07-10-2007, 02:33 PM
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And if you see some poor guy flying a bomber all by his lonesome...for Pete's sake give him some cover!

Rebel_Yell_21
07-10-2007, 02:57 PM
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You'll be glad you did, and so will he!