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BrewsterPilot
04-25-2006, 11:41 AM
Hi there all FW-190 fans. I've heard one hell of a lot of stories about how Uber the FW-190 is. But still, it's true. I have NEVER flown it, not online nor offline. So I need some tips before I start. What should I train in? What's the hardest? What's the easiest? What's for high-alt and what's for low-alt? Should I be using underwing extra cannons?

I need to know EVERYTHING!

Thanks for your help,

BrewsterPilot

BrewsterPilot
04-25-2006, 11:41 AM
Hi there all FW-190 fans. I've heard one hell of a lot of stories about how Uber the FW-190 is. But still, it's true. I have NEVER flown it, not online nor offline. So I need some tips before I start. What should I train in? What's the hardest? What's the easiest? What's for high-alt and what's for low-alt? Should I be using underwing extra cannons?

I need to know EVERYTHING!

Thanks for your help,

BrewsterPilot

GR142_Astro
04-25-2006, 11:53 AM
It's really quite easy once you figure it out. It's all about the guns. Pass your target fast, hit it once and move on. You'll get lots and lots of kills.

I really don't get one ounce of fun out of this type of tactic, but some guys just love it. No need for extra guns. Like I said, just push the go-handle forward.

"Avatar text free since 2001."

TC_Stele
04-25-2006, 11:58 AM
If there's one plane that scares me out of the arsenal of IL2PF it is the FW-190 for dogfight sessions.. Dives at you like a bat out of hell especially with all those teeth just ready to tear you apart.

Just keep that altitude up...way up, I've seen some pilots 4500-5000meters. From that altitude you can see nearly everything, but a good FW190 pilot knows which fighter to take out by the situation of the fight below. It takes some practice but in no time you should have the tactic nailed down.

Brain32
04-25-2006, 12:05 PM
Save yourself the frustration and don't even try, maybe, just maybe with the Dora but better not...

danjama
04-25-2006, 12:06 PM
Dont give up on her, shes worth it!

Xiolablu3
04-25-2006, 12:06 PM
It takes real WW2 tactics to do well, but when used like this by a veteran it is devastating.

To new pilots it is often hard to master, but once you understand its strengths and dont try and turnfight with it, its one of the best planes in the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In a Spitfire MkV vs the early FW190A's flown by veterans, I feel totally outclassed. (As I should do)

I am not so good at flying it myself, but I am getting better. It is fantastic fun to fly as it requires a whole new way of thinking to do well. People who say that the FW190A isnt an awesome plane are probably flying it late on in the war (1944-45). From 1942-43 on historical servers it is overwhelming until the Spitfire 9 and La5FNs appear in late 1943.

dieg777
04-25-2006, 12:21 PM
Flying the FW190 well takes a lot of dicipline.

More than I have most of the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif It is a fast, deadly fighter in the right hands but it is not a good turn fighter. keep it high, keep it fast and keep it straight and have patience in picking your engagements and know when not to engage and you will do well- get slow and turning and steam into any furball and you will probably be dead real quick.

some of my opinions -

the dora is easier to fly-
the anton is slower and needs good engine management to get the best out of it- but it is better armed and can be used for groundpounding

the a6 is reconed to be a good start point - not great at anything in particular but a good all rounder-

on late war servers stick with D9 or A9 as you will need the speed.

here are some links for tutorials and guidance from some of the best

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm

scroll down to FW guides

http://www.war-clouds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=911

http://www.war-clouds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=320

Im still learning but when you get it right its devestating

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/dieg777/ddfw1.jpg

good luck

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-25-2006, 12:25 PM
Beg, steal or borrow a copy of 'Butcherbird' by Edward Shacklady.

slipBall
04-25-2006, 12:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifAll of the above, I like the D9

JG5_UnKle
04-25-2006, 12:56 PM
Please fly something else

We need more targets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

lowfighter
04-25-2006, 01:19 PM
FW... I use it only when I want to have a relaxing fight, in later patches it turns pretty well, it dives very well, it's quite fast and have tremendous firepower. Perhaps some of you remember the FW in il2 or FB v1.0, THAT was a challengeto fly oh man. Not saying that it's wrong how it's modeled now, but hey if you want challenge fly a zero against a corsair , both you and the corsair pilot experienced. Uh, another favorite of mine P47 went the same way. Not saying that it is wrong how it is modeled now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers!

Oh, FW=DIVE-turn-ROLL-mildCLIMB-DIVE-turn-ROLL-mildCLIMB

Haigotron
04-25-2006, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Beg, steal or borrow a copy of 'Butcherbird' by Edward Shacklady. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? - How good is this book? I keep trying to find it at the library no chance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Does it contain tactics and strats used in real life?

slipBall
04-25-2006, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Beg, steal or borrow a copy of 'Butcherbird' by Edward Shacklady. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? - How good is this book? I keep trying to find it at the library no chance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Does it contain tactics and strats used in real life? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


If you decide to buy it, it seem's to be very available

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1841451037/103-4023231...37?v=glance&n=283155 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1841451037/103-4023231-1024637?v=glance&n=283155)


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/1841451037/103-4023231-1024637

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-25-2006, 01:50 PM
Packed with technical information on all variants,it touches on tactics, strategy, contains biographies of notable pilots, a history of the company and is one of the best illustrated aviation books I have seen (and that's a lot of books). 225 phographs and line drawings, 24 pages of colour illustrations depicting markings, camo etc...I'm reading from the dust jacket. If you're a U.K. resident, try Books Afloat, Weymouth - I got my copy there for a tenner (should be 25).

Viper2005_
04-25-2006, 02:08 PM
The key to success with the Fw-190 is the realisation that the objective of aerial combat is to kill the other chap, not to fight with him.

Work on your gunnery. Learn to anticipate where the enemy will go next. Then point your gunsight at that airspace, cry "Havoc!" and let slip the Dogs of War. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

If you land 100% of your rounds (it can be done!), it takes less than 2 rounds per gun from an A9 to cut a Spitfire in half. Extra guns are as such not required...

As such, tracking shots are a waste of time if you can shoot.

Snapshots are less costly in energy, may be obtained more quickly, and allow you to devote more time to maintaining situational awareness, greatly increasing your chances of survival.

Memorise your sustained corner speed, always stay at or above it when in sight of the enemy.

Use teamspeak whenever possible; the Fw-190 hunts best in packs.

Good luck and have fun.

DIRTY-MAC
04-25-2006, 02:15 PM
Its the plane I fear most in PF if it is above me..

danjama
04-25-2006, 02:28 PM
Thats a good point, if i know whos in the Focke, it effects hugely how i fight it!! Dont go ****in with a goof FW pilot

VW-IceFire
04-25-2006, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Hi there all FW-190 fans. I've heard one hell of a lot of stories about how Uber the FW-190 is. But still, it's true. I have NEVER flown it, not online nor offline. So I need some tips before I start. What should I train in? What's the hardest? What's the easiest? What's for high-alt and what's for low-alt? Should I be using underwing extra cannons?

I need to know EVERYTHING!

Thanks for your help,

BrewsterPilot </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The FW190 isn't uber so much as it is deadly effective in the right hands. In the wrong hands or flown badly and its easily a horrible fighter. Many new pilots take the FW190 on basic book description only and assume it to be a super agile amazing fighter aircraft. The stark reality is that the FW190 is a plane that trades conventional horizontal agility for speed and firepower.

Here's a few basic points:

- roll rate is the best in-class
- turn rate is poor except at speeds above 400kph where it is to be considered very good
- the elevator is effective at all speeds but especially at higher speeds where others falter
- stall is sudden and violent, don't stall this plane and don't hamfist the controls...always fly with precision

The FW190 technique is always to come screaming in from above. If you try and fight them on the same level you will lose...especially if its a Spitfire. If you try and fight alone you will generally not do as well. There is nothing more devastating than a line abrest formation of FW190s that wade into a swarm of enemy fighters as the closure rates are something in the range between 300 kph and 900 kph and they rarely have a time to react. If they do...and one FW190 gets a fighter on their six...rolling away and diving usually works (rolling during the dive is usually the best as most fighters can't follow) but having a wingman get him is the best possible.

The FW190 you will need to spend lots of time in to get good at.

I suggest default armament options on the FW190A-6 or FW190D-9 (depending on the situation and year) as a good starting place. The A-6 is the best balance of firepower and agility in the A series while the D-9 is the ultimate FW190 version (sans the Ta-152H). With the D-9, select the 1944 version if possible as the 1944 version has engine boost that doesn't involve the MW50 gear (which adds weight and complexity to operation). The MW50 version is slightly faster at low altitude but at mid and higher altitudes the 1944 version is faster and overall lighter.

As you progress...you can also give the A-4, and A-9 a shot as they are good planes but I believe they require more training as the A-4 is the most agile but with the least power (so your technique must be honed) and the A-9 is the heaviest with the most power but the weight makes it less agile than any of the other variants and therefore it requires a little more effort. The Ta-152H is a neat plane...a rare FW190 variant...its the best higher altitude FW190 version. Above 7000m it is better than all the other FW190 versions (all which choke above 7000) and amongst the fastest fighters at that altitude (only the P-51 and P-47 are in the same category depending on the specific altitude). Under 3000m the Ta-152H is not quite as fast as the FW190D-9 and the lack of roll rate means its not always the best one to have around (although its turn is slightly better with the longer wings).

Take some time...practice against Yaks and Spits in the QMB and then take it online.

Good planes that are similar in technique and style are the P-47 Thunderbolt, the F4U Corsair, and the Tempest Mark V.

Max.Power
04-25-2006, 06:14 PM
These guys make a pretty good assessment of the FockeWulf versions but I would like to clarify a few things.

When zooming and booming in a Focke Wulf, the best vertical height to be over your potential target is 1800m. The high speed maneoverability of the aircraft makes this possible. At this height, you will have maybe 2 or 3 passes before you start to get into danger due to loss of energy.

The FW a-4 is not more maneoverable than the a-5. It has better low speed handling. The a-5 and a-6 have a slightly higher top speed than the a-9, but this occurs at a higher altitude. The a-9 has better low altitude power and speed. There is no difference in turning maneoverability between the a-5,a-6 and a-9, except that the a-9 handles better at high speed again. Stay away from the a-8 altogether. It handles worse and is way slower than any of these. It is truly a dog.

The a-5 in this sim represents the fighter version of the a-4, and all other versions of the a series are fighter bomber versions. Bare this in mind when you are flying them.

The d-9 is a total monster. It is better than the a series at everything but firepower. 2 20mm cannons plus 2 heavy machineguns are more than adequate to make a first pass crippling attack. On the a series, stay away from the mk108. Their value in a dogfight lies almost totally in showboating and intimidation.

I have to go right now. I'll post some more information later.

Copperhead310th
04-25-2006, 10:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
Its the plane I fear most in PF if it is above me.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What i find so amazing is that this plane SHOULD be the P-47 above all others.
But hey.....What does a little thing like historical correctness have to do with anything.

As for the 190...just fly it like a p-47 should be flown (if this sim actually had a p-47)
and you'll be fine. Stay fast, keep E up, stay in the vertical, Use b&Z and it's easy.

Flying the A-6 & you'll notice a remarked improvement in K/D ration as well as gunnery over all when transitioning from the Allied aircraft in the sim. It's much more agile than the other Antons IMO. while it's not the fastest thing on wings.....it will get the job done and you notice a quick improvemnt over all.

WTE_Galway
04-25-2006, 11:00 PM
if you are into bomber killing, the fw190A8 with mk103 wing cannon is among the best rides in the game