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XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 06:58 AM
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 06:58 AM
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm

general_kalle
12-07-2007, 06:59 AM
i must confess that i forgot that. in the middle of christmas stuff.

to all the dead.

RIP

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-07-2007, 07:09 AM
Salute

ploughman
12-07-2007, 07:10 AM
Funny that, I thought there was nip in the air when I took the dog out this morning.

S!

MEGILE
12-07-2007, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Funny that, I thought there was nip in the air when I took the dog out this morning.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

roflmayonnaise

LEBillfish
12-07-2007, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah but we didn't forget you....wb http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Surely you jest? Americans of certain ages warily gaze at 7 Dec on their calendars and remember without having to make bathetic posts on forums. We were just recently righteously stonked again so we doubly remember.

SeaFireLIV
12-07-2007, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
i must confess that i forgot that. in the middle of christmas stuff.



</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a feeling that at the time most were thinking about their Xmas too. They are not forgotten.

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 08:15 AM
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today.

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 08:31 AM
The torpedo which sank WEST VIRGINIA, CALIFORNIA, OKLAHOMA, UTAH, and severely damaged NEVADA, HELENA, and RALEIGH. Note the variety of stabilization devices placed on it to fly it into the water level and then keep it from plunging into the harbor bottom (small wooden wings on the body forward, "u" shaped fins between the standard fins, and the wooden stabilizers at the rear):


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/thePearlHarbortorp.jpg

claypidgon
12-07-2007, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Surely you jest? Americans of certain ages warily gaze at 7 Dec on their calendars and remember without having to make bathotic posts on forums. We were just recently righteously stonked again so we doubly remember. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me a moment

Firstly, the word is "bathetic". The next time you want to say that somebody is making a triviality out of a thing, or that somebody is making a mockery with ill-felt sentimentality, get the big important smart sounding words right.

I reminded people with a thread. You got a problem with that? Tell it to the Marines. You're so insecure now every thread needs to be about you? Your chest-thumping is
pathetic, by the way

For the record, this 36 year old Bostonian born and bred who has both made and inspected parts for US Naval warplanes is not impressed with your bull about "some Americans", and "We doubly remember". Your one-upmanship is childish. The next time you try to be a better American than somebody else, remind yourself that you're a twit, will you? Pearl Harbor Day isn't about you. I know that might be tough to understand

ploughman
12-07-2007, 08:57 AM
Nice, first thread I've seen of yours since the last time you left and your second post is a sh1tstorm laying like a turd in the middle of a thread about PH and December 7th. Why don't you PM him?

mynameisroland
12-07-2007, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tolerance is what makes Democratic societies work.

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Surely you jest? Americans of certain ages warily gaze at 7 Dec on their calendars and remember without having to make bathotic posts on forums. We were just recently righteously stonked again so we doubly remember. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me a moment

Firstly, the word is "bathetic". The next time you want to say that somebody is making a triviality out of a thing, or that somebody is making a mockery with ill-felt sentimentality, get the big important smart sounding words right.

I reminded people with a thread. You got a problem with that? Tell it to the Marines. You're so insecure now every thread needs to be about you? Your chest-thumping is
pathetic, by the way

For the record, this 36 year old Bostonian born and bred who has both made and inspected parts for US Naval warplanes is not impressed with your bull about "some Americans", and "We doubly remember". Your one-upmanship is childish. The next time you try to be a better American than somebody else, remind yourself that you're a twit, will you? Pearl Harbor Day isn't about you. I know that might be tough to understand </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your customarily smug post---in this case the assumption that you are the carrier of cultural memory was more than I could bear. You got me on "bathetic." Nice imitation of advanced rabies!

HuninMunin
12-07-2007, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tolerance is what makes Democratic societies work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactilili.

LEBillfish
12-07-2007, 09:27 AM
Back to rememberance to show "our" respect http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ....debate and things unrelated showing otherwise.

HuninMunin
12-07-2007, 09:34 AM
This is a community wich's single purpose is discussion.

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 09:41 AM
Launch off the bow of AKAGI:


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/b/b9/300px-AkagiDeckApril42.jpg

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 09:44 AM
Battleship Row after the attack:


http://www.aviation-history.com/airmen/pearl-harbor2a.jpg

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 09:45 AM
Taking the offensive in the midst of the attack:

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Welch1.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ehistoryzone/Welch1.html)

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Mori's B5N2 which torpedoed CALIFORNIA (torpedo-carrying "Kates" took the highest casualties of the Japanese air attackers---contrary to conventional wisdom, the American sailors on the battleships met these first attackers with respectable machine gun fire):

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal4/3801-3900/ga...Kate_Mao/gal3875.htm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal4/3801-3900/gal3875_B5N2-Kate_Mao/gal3875.htm)

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 09:54 AM
I'm glad to see that you've gotten with the program, leitmotiv

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 10:04 AM
Superb model of KAGA:

http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~mokei/e-gallery-kaga.htm (http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/%7Emokei/e-gallery-kaga.htm)

ploughman
12-07-2007, 10:10 AM
A fascinating site about the aftermath, including many images of the salvage work.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-salv.htm

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 10:18 AM
Prelude to infamy- the USS Ward:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-w/dd139.htm

The US Navy salvaged one of the subs in the 1960s. Robert Ballard found the one that the USS Ward engaged and sank in the 1990s. Until then it was unknown, officially, if the Ward had sunk it's target


USS Ward was coincidentally sunk on a December 7. After a kamikaze hit, the ship was abandoned and purposefully sunk by another US destroyer on that day in 1944- and that destroyer, the USS O'Brien, had as it's Commander the man who commanded the USS Ward on December 7 1941

LEBillfish
12-07-2007, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
I'm glad to see that you've gotten with the program.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Join in hon, glad to see you back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 10:20 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 10:23 AM
The new ('06) ARIZONA model:

http://starbulletin.com/2006/12/07/news/story04.html

http://starbulletin.com/2006/12/07/news/art4x.jpg

http://www.pearlharbormemorial.com/atf/cf/%7B262DC97E-C830-49ED-A8C2-32EB06D27127%7D/new%20USS%20Arizona%20exhibit%20model%202.jpg

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 10:28 AM
I hate Wikipedia, but these are convenient and concise:

General Short:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Short

Admiral Kimmel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband_E._Kimmel

SeaFireLIV
12-07-2007, 10:39 AM
Wait a minute, CID, didn`t you leave?

We had a long post about your leaving and then you came back anyway?

...remind me not to listen to drama-queening in the future.

MEGILE
12-07-2007, 10:47 AM
I forgot about Pearl Harbour.

If someone had asked me this morning what today was, I would have replied... Tuesday?

TC_Stele
12-07-2007, 11:06 AM
RIP to all those during the Pearl Harbor and Wake attacks.

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2007, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Wait a minute, CID, didn`t you leave?

We had a long post about your leaving and then you came back anyway?

...remind me not to listen to drama-queening in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said, quote:

"Bye all, it's been fun", and then I posted I'd see you when I saw you. I didn't say I was leaving never to return (although I thought I might), I said I'd see you when I saw you

I got several PMs and messages from people here asking me to reconsider leaving, and I told them I was leaving at least temporarily. I took several weeks off and thought about whether or not I needed nonsense like I see here- and like I see now from you

But I do recall you and I being "friends", which is predictably something that is worth nothing. That is my mistake and I do regret allowing you to fool me

I had thought about just staying away, and I can see that my decision to return here was a mistake. So that's that. I had decided to come back and try to join in again, and that is not something you want? Fine, abacadabra, wish granted. Wasn't that easy? Happy Holidays

Ishmael932
12-07-2007, 12:04 PM
On this day in 1941, my father was an able seaman aboard the SS Lena Luckenback about 600 miles east-north-east of Oahu on the run out from San Francisco. About 300 miles to the nor-nor-east of them was the SS Cynthia Olson. My father told me of hearing her distress calls a few hours before the attack began.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4013/colsonui1.jpg

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This SUP ship was the first sunk by a Japanese submarine on December 7, 1941. The attack occurred a few hours before Pearl Harbor was bombed, so the shock of the doomed sailors could not have been greater. She went down with all hands. The sinking of the Cynthia Olson symbolically represents the final intersection of two eras. Like steam replacing sail many years earlier, the onset of World War II began the replacement of many of the aging coastwise "steam schooners," a trade that had grown with the SUP since its inception.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He pulled in to Pearl on 12/9 with bodies still floating in the water. SUP stands for Sailors Union Of The Pacific. Here's a link to their website history page. It has a photo gallery with some pics of Andrew Ferusuth, founder of the Union, who signed my grandfather's union card.

http://www.sailors.org/history.html

joeap
12-07-2007, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The new ('06) ARIZONA model:

http://starbulletin.com/2006/12/07/news/story04.html



</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm wouldn't the vets or anyone else there have remembered the turret tops were red and not grey? Curious.

Oh and CID welcome back don't go again.

Y0RGO
12-07-2007, 01:20 PM
USS Oklahoma is overturn back right, yes?

http://www.homeofheroes.com/pearlharbor/6_oklahoma_salvage.jpg

carguy_
12-07-2007, 01:33 PM
LOL cid`s being arrogant and self-important again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Look man, when you say you`re leaqving, you leave the place!I guess that you like to think what you posted AFTER posting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

ploughman
12-07-2007, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Y0RGO:
USS Oklahoma is overturn back right, yes?

http://www.homeofheroes.com/pearlharbor/6_oklahoma_salvage.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you go YORGO.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-ok9.htm

She was salvaged and decomissioned, sinking whilst being towed to the left coast.

leitmotiv
12-07-2007, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ishmael932:
On this day in 1941, my father was an able seaman aboard the SS Lena Luckenback about 600 miles east-north-east of Oahu on the run out from San Francisco. About 300 miles to the nor-nor-east of them was the SS Cynthia Olson. My father told me of hearing her distress calls a few hours before the attack began.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4013/colsonui1.jpg

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This SUP ship was the first sunk by a Japanese submarine on December 7, 1941. The attack occurred a few hours before Pearl Harbor was bombed, so the shock of the doomed sailors could not have been greater. She went down with all hands. The sinking of the Cynthia Olson symbolically represents the final intersection of two eras. Like steam replacing sail many years earlier, the onset of World War II began the replacement of many of the aging coastwise "steam schooners," a trade that had grown with the SUP since its inception.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He pulled in to Pearl on 12/9 with bodies still floating in the water. SUP stands for Sailors Union Of The Pacific. Here's a link to their website history page. It has a photo gallery with some pics of Andrew Ferusuth, founder of the Union, who signed my grandfather's union card.

http://www.sailors.org/history.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, I, knew nothing about this sinking. How wretched for those sailors. The Japanese were lucky once again. This was exactly what Yamamoto feared---a submarine jumping the gun and compromising the attack. They rolled snake eyes all day---hot dice.

SeaFireLIV
12-07-2007, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:

I had decided to come back and try to join in again, and that is not something you want? Fine, abacadabra, wish granted. Wasn't that easy? Happy Holidays </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What did I say about drama-queening? Don`t do it. You can cry wolf once but not twice.

Now I have left the forums a couple of times in my 3 or 4 years here, yet no one knows. Guess why? Because I don`t make a big self-important thread that I`m going and everyone must therefore know about it because I might just change my mind. If I leave I just leave, knowing I can return whenever.

I don`t normally post in `I am leaving` threads unless they seem genuine, since they ALWAYS do the double back as yours did. But in your case I thought you meant what you said. It`s not that I wanted you to go, but more that I wasted my time looking like I cared.

I also think it`s very `me-me-me` and a bad habit to encourage as your `I`m leaving again` response shows. It earns less respect, not more.

Sorry, but that`s how I see it.

Y0RGO
12-07-2007, 02:23 PM
Thanks you; is interest take to 1944 to conclued'!

claypidgon
12-07-2007, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tolerance is what makes Democratic societies work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its got nothing to do with TOLERANCE!!!!!!


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5169/h72273kvg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ratsack
12-07-2007, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which illustrates the point Leitmotiv was making.

Ratsack

Skycat_2
12-07-2007, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Lest we forget (which y'all did)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Got track?
Vietnam is over.

Bearcat99
12-07-2007, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Lest we forget (which y'all did) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not so.... (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/9631083516) and note the time of the post.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I just apparently picked the wrong place....

han freak solo
12-07-2007, 08:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I just apparently picked the wrong place.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perfect place for it in fact. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

DrHerb
12-07-2007, 09:21 PM
gaah why does a thread of rememberance lead to a gerry springer episode, i dont know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

han freak solo
12-07-2007, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrHerb:
gaah why does a thread of rememberance lead to a gerry springer episode, i dont know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1st post set the tone. Normal.

han freak solo
12-07-2007, 09:35 PM
Back on topic. Salute.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/std/images/Pearl_Harbor.jpg

Ishmael932
12-07-2007, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tolerance is what makes Democratic societies work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its got nothing to do with TOLERANCE!!!!!!


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5169/h72273kvg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Didn't you know the Japanese Self-Defense Force still uses the Rising Sun flag as their naval ensign? My first ship was host ship to two Japanese tin cans and they still had it flying from the masthead.

zardozid
12-08-2007, 01:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"I remember one winter when I was a kid"...In the town where I lived for many years (as a kid) we had a pond (near my house) that would freeze over and many people would ice skate there come December. Every year the town would put a flag up when the ice was thick enough to skate on...the flag was white with a red ball in the middle. The flag was square and the red ball was large, and it bore only a superficial resemblance to the Japanese flag...But I remember one December 7th when a man got very angry about the superficial similarity of the two flags...and I can still remember him demanding that the flag be taken down on "Pearl Harbor Day"...My memory of the man was that he died a year later...I think I remember hearing that he was a very unhappy man and may have drank himself to death. very sad...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">BBB462cid
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Posted Fri December 07 2007 05:58
Lest we forget (which y'all did)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see that you and your sunny disposition are back...(and I have to wonder why?...You seem to have a negative opinion of the people here)...did you drop by just to call us ungrateful Americans?

na85
12-08-2007, 02:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tolerance is what makes Democratic societies work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its got nothing to do with TOLERANCE!!!!!!


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5169/h72273kvg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It appears to have something to do with EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!

claypidgon
12-08-2007, 07:40 PM
If you dont understand you never will..You probably dont know enough WW2 history to understand....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif This is the japs at war..

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9430/japanesesoldiersshootinui6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/143/leonardgsiffleetvc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Maybe this will clarify it for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tagTaken2
12-08-2007, 08:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by claypidgon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The most startling 7 Dec I can recall was when we were passing the local university about 1961 and flying from the flagpole at about 7am was the rising sun flag of Japan. Though my mother was WWII generation, my father fought in the war against Japan, and we had a close friend who was on the ARGONNE in the harbor on that fateful day, we laughed in astonishment! It actually seemed appropriate. In those days patriotism didn't have to be expressed in such heavy-handed ways as today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have ripped the dam thing down!!!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tolerance is what makes Democratic societies work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its got nothing to do with TOLERANCE!!!!!!


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5169/h72273kvg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMHFO, I believe it does.

Millions have fought and died for democracy, and the right to speak freely, and to differ.
Every time somebody says 'you CANNOT disagree, or laugh, or even ignore (fill blank)' they're sh!tting on the sacrifices of those who served and died for the right to an opinion.

carguy_
12-08-2007, 08:24 PM
I know what you mean, claypidgon.There seems to be a lot of political corectness on both sides.European citizens appear to talk about the Japanese in WWII more mildly while the Americans/British tend to do the same about doings of the German/French regime in occupied Europe.

People just sometimes forget what those boys really fought against.

leitmotiv
12-08-2007, 08:37 PM
The Japanese caught us with our pants down 7 Dec, fair and square, in one of the great seafaring feats of history. We all know they were murderous b-----ds. What amused us that day was the surprise of seeing a Japanese flag over the university on 7 Dec. Even a wartime-era person, such as my mother, who had married a WWII USN sailor saw the irony. In that innocent age, we all knew the act was a prank, not a political statement. In this cretinous, humorless, iron age every damned thing is political. It is hard to transport back to a infinitely more pleasant time in which to live---not even forgetting The Bomb.