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RevvinUK
09-12-2008, 03:32 PM
CH Products has unveiled a new Yoke called the 'Eclipse' which is due for release during the holidays. The Eclipse Yoke includes the following new features:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Programmable fingertip paddles, ideal for flight and racing sims
<LI>Programmable trim / scroll wheels with center push function
<LI>Two backlit push buttons and a third traditional push button
<LI>Two 8-way hat with rocker switch and trigger on both sides of handle
<LI>Configurable POV hat for either left or right hand use
<LI>Colored handles for throttle / prop / fuel mixture
<LI>Three color LED selector dial giving you a total of 240 programmable functions with CH Control Manager software
<LI>Six analog 10 bit axes for aileron, elevator, throttle, propeller pitch, fuel and rudder
<LI>New and improved industrial grade material / components; indestructible robust plastic, free floating shaft and clamp extenders for the thinnest of desks
[/list]

You can find out more as well as view hi-res images of the new yoke here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5829) at the CH Hangar (http://www.ch-hangar.com/).

RevvinUK
09-12-2008, 03:32 PM
CH Products has unveiled a new Yoke called the 'Eclipse' which is due for release during the holidays. The Eclipse Yoke includes the following new features:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Programmable fingertip paddles, ideal for flight and racing sims
<LI>Programmable trim / scroll wheels with center push function
<LI>Two backlit push buttons and a third traditional push button
<LI>Two 8-way hat with rocker switch and trigger on both sides of handle
<LI>Configurable POV hat for either left or right hand use
<LI>Colored handles for throttle / prop / fuel mixture
<LI>Three color LED selector dial giving you a total of 240 programmable functions with CH Control Manager software
<LI>Six analog 10 bit axes for aileron, elevator, throttle, propeller pitch, fuel and rudder
<LI>New and improved industrial grade material / components; indestructible robust plastic, free floating shaft and clamp extenders for the thinnest of desks
[/list]

You can find out more as well as view hi-res images of the new yoke here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5829) at the CH Hangar (http://www.ch-hangar.com/).

JG52Uther
09-12-2008, 03:38 PM
Horrendously expensive though! $250 = 250 in the UK with CH usually.
And much as I love my CH fighterstick,I can't really imagine paying out 250 for it.

At the current exchange rate that is $450!

RevvinUK
09-12-2008, 04:14 PM
This is the case with most products sold on both sides of the Atlantic, you make it sound like its a problem specific to CH Products when it is not. The RRP is $249.95, retails seldom sell at the full RRP so I think its a little early for any doom and gloom.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-12-2008, 04:42 PM
http://www.ch-hangar.com/SiteFiles/Images/news/ch-eclipse-large.JPG

M_Gunz
09-12-2008, 05:53 PM
I tried a yoke for a combat flight sim once. It was nowhere near fast enough.

Of course if you play P-38's and bombers, it's realism.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-12-2008, 07:41 PM
I own CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and Pedals. Im sure this yoke is awesome and provides a good bit of immersion for certain aircraft, but I would love to see CH put there superior ingenuity and build quality into a force feedback Fighterstick. Doing this will lock up a lot more of the market and give all those SidewinderFB lovers a reason to switch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S!

rat0a
09-12-2008, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
I own CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and Pedals. Im sure this yoke is awesome and provides a good bit of immersion for certain aircraft, but I would love to see CH put there superior ingenuity and build quality into a force feedback Fighterstick. Doing this will lock up a lot more of the market and give all those SidewinderFB lovers a reason to switch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who's the Lover ah????
Now seriously if CH products built a FFB Fighter
and is good I would get one in a heartbeat

Chivas
09-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Very nice Yoke. If CH made a decent force feedback stick with a smoother gimbal system I'd buy it. Presently their gimbal system is is sturdy but far too clunky for precise targeting moving thru the xy axis.

RevvinUK
09-13-2008, 12:11 AM
The new Yoke has a much smoother free floating shaft.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-13-2008, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">far too clunky for precise targeting moving thru the xy axis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? You think that? I have used Logitechs, MS Sidewinder Precision 2, Saitek X-52, and tried a Cougar briefly. In my opinion CH Fighterstick is by far the most precise targeting system I have ever used. Your the first person I have met who made such claims. Caught me abit off guard I guess. To each their own.

S!

leitmotiv
09-13-2008, 01:07 AM
If the yoke had had FF, I would have bought it instantly.

JG52Uther
09-13-2008, 01:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Revvin_UK:
This is the case with most products sold on both sides of the Atlantic, you make it sound like its a problem specific to CH Products when it is not. The RRP is $249.95, retails seldom sell at the full RRP so I think its a little early for any doom and gloom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its not a problem with CH,as you say it is just the way it is.CH will have done their research,and,taking into account their costs will have priced the yoke accordingly.They feel that the market will stand paying $250 which is fine.Unfortunately with the way things work in the UK I will have to pay the equivalant of around $500 for the same product,which certainly does not make it such an attractive buy.

P.FunkAdelic
09-13-2008, 03:28 AM
Theres also the "Big new thing" variable. You always pay top dollar to be the first one through the gate. Release prices usually don't last.

Though if its a niche market toy the variation in price will not be so big.

b2spirita
09-13-2008, 05:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Revvin_UK:
This is the case with most products sold on both sides of the Atlantic, you make it sound like its a problem specific to CH Products when it is not. The RRP is $249.95, retails seldom sell at the full RRP so I think its a little early for any doom and gloom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its not a problem with CH,as you say it is just the way it is.CH will have done their research,and,taking into account their costs will have priced the yoke accordingly.They feel that the market will stand paying $250 which is fine.Unfortunately with the way things work in the UK I will have to pay the equivalant of around $500 for the same product,which certainly does not make it such an attractive buy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It might be the way it is, but ether way we are getting screwed. It does not cost another 250 dollars to ship.ON top of which we the have to pay inport duties and the like. Its things like this which mean im never gonna buy off tham firsthand. Which means they are gonna lose money surely.

But getting on topic, it does look and sound very nice - but rudder pedals are my first port of call.

triad773
09-13-2008, 07:46 AM
Reminds me of a steering wheel I have for my racing games- except the top part of the wheel is missing.

Not very original IMHO, nor historic. I already like my HOTAS setup.

Aaron_GT
09-13-2008, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Unfortunately with the way things work in the UK I will have to pay the equivalant of around $500 for the same product,which certainly does not make it such an attractive buy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The presumption is this is what the market will bear for a specialist item. At commodity end of electronics the margin is less or in some cases non existent, apart from some margin for currency fluctuations.

ElAurens
09-13-2008, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
I own CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and Pedals. Im sure this yoke is awesome and provides a good bit of immersion for certain aircraft, but I would love to see CH put there superior ingenuity and build quality into a force feedback Fighterstick. Doing this will lock up a lot more of the market and give all those SidewinderFB lovers a reason to switch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Have the same setup HaVoK, and the only way I would ever switch is if CH does a really good FFB on the Fighterstick.

Their customer service is top shelf as well.

willyvic
09-13-2008, 08:57 AM
Nice looking bit of equipment. I am a little concerned about the throttle placement. Looks as if you would be reaching across (or around) the yoke to jockey the settings. It would seem that having to move while adjusting could affect yoke input if not careful. A detachable throttle quad would have been a good deal.

WV

Von_Rat
09-13-2008, 03:03 PM
i just wish ch would add some rotarys to their standard throttle.

then i would be a happy camper.

Mr_Zooly
09-13-2008, 04:11 PM
but..its..ugly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

triad773
09-13-2008, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
but..its..ugly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Yeah like others have said I would think a good FFB stick or HOTAS would be much more well received by this niche market.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-13-2008, 07:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
i just wish ch would add some rotarys to their standard throttle.

then i would be a happy camper. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+100 A rotary and slider and Im buying camping supplies! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

JG52Uther
09-14-2008, 03:33 AM
I have a feeling the yoke has not been received as well as expected.Hopefully,as this is apparently the first in a new line,the other stuff will be better,and include such revolutionary ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) features as force feedback and,God forbid,rotaries.

rat0a
09-14-2008, 09:17 AM
CH Products are not made to please eyes that's way their products have the same look for the last 20 yrs but they are reliable I own the PT and PP and indeed are ugly but I like the support, control manager etc

RevvinUK
09-14-2008, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
I have a feeling the yoke has not been received as well as expected. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your assumption would be wrong judging by the number of calls within minutes of the press release being sent out and the response on other forums. Its a fact of life that a product won't appeal to everyone however much CH Products tries but it will appeal to a great many sim users no matter how much negative opinion you post. Hopefully you will find future products more to your liking.

RevvinUK
09-14-2008, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
but..its..ugly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not going to win any beauty contests http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif that said real life yokes are built for function not beauty so the Eclipse is in good company there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG52Uther
09-14-2008, 10:53 AM
Negative opinion? If you noticed most in this thread are not jumping for joy,but,as you singled me out:
I just said that if it is priced in the UK at the same rate as other CH products (and I have 2 of them,for which I paid double the dollar price) then it will be to expensive for me.
I am allowed to have that opinion here,as others do.If I could pay the equivalent of $250 dollars for it (or even $300) then I would buy it.I will not buy it for the equivalent of $500.Thats my choice,and one sale lost.I am not on an anti CH crusade,and companies should be aware of all opinions from their potential customers.

RevvinUK
09-14-2008, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Negative opinion? If you noticed most in this thread are not jumping for joy,but,as you singled me out:
I just said that if it is priced in the UK at the same rate as other CH products (and I have 2 of them,for which I paid double the dollar price) then it will be to expensive for me.
I am allowed to have that opinion here,as others do.If I could pay the equivalent of $250 dollars for it (or even $300) then I would buy it.I will not buy it for the equivalent of $500.Thats my choice,and one sale lost.I am not on an anti CH crusade,and companies should be aware of all opinions from their potential customers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are many more internet forums outside of these forums. You posted the same opinion at the CH Hangar forums and then reposted here just moments afterwards. You'd already expressed that opinion and when the situation was explained you found fault elsewhere. Its perfectly understandable that you don't find it an appealing product, as I said it won't appeal to everyone but when you continue to repost negative opinion I have to wonder what drives you do do so.

JG52Uther
09-14-2008, 11:25 AM
You posted here,and at the CH forum.I did the same.Many people do not frequent both forums.I am sure you have checked the other flight sim forums,and I am also sure you have not seen me post my opinion on them,although you have probably announced the yoke on them.You asked on the CH forum how it worked out at $500 for me and I showed you.Nothing was 'explained' as you put it,except by me: ie the price in dollars is nearly what I pay in pounds,which is nearly double the dollar price.Are people not allowed to have concerns where price is concerned?
You have nothing to defend here,I love my CH products,and yet you make it sound as if I have some axe to grind with the company because I am not falling over myself with enthusiasm for this particular CH product!
People can see the price of the yoke for themselves and as they are all responsible adults make their own minds up if they want to pay it.

steiner562
09-14-2008, 11:44 AM
Looks like another quality product from CH to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RevvinUK
09-14-2008, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
You posted here,and at the CH forum.I did the same.Many people do not frequent both forums.I am sure you have checked the other flight sim forums,and I am also sure you have not seen me post my opinion on them,although you have probably announced the yoke on them.You asked on the CH forum how it worked out at $500 for me and I showed you.Nothing was 'explained' as you put it,except by me: ie the price in dollars is nearly what I pay in pounds,which is nearly double the dollar price.Are people not allowed to have concerns where price is concerned?
You have nothing to defend here,I love my CH products,and yet you make it sound as if I have some axe to grind with the company because I am not falling over myself with enthusiasm for this particular CH product!
People can see the price of the yoke for themselves and as they are all responsible adults make their own minds up if they want to pay it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The price was explained to you, and as I've said its perfectly fine if this product does not interest you. I posted the news for other flight sim users so there is nothing for me to defend and I'm not here to do that but I question your continued effort to be as negative as possible and there seems to be very little point in continuing to discuss this with you.

JG52Uther
09-14-2008, 12:04 PM
No point at all,as what I said is correct.
The price for me will be nearly double what it is in America if it is priced the same as other CH products.That is not negative,its a fact.
I would love you to tell me otherwise,but obviously as I am apparently too negative...

rat0a
09-14-2008, 01:11 PM
US $250 is not cheap either so with that been said We know is to much $$$ for you

x6BL_Brando
09-14-2008, 02:18 PM
I agree that it doesn't have much appeal on a forum concerning WW2 era prop fighters, and why would it? But I predict it will be a massive seller to the thousands of FSX fans who fly modern commercials equipped with very similar gear.
I don't expect them to be disappointed either as the quality will no doubt be superb.

B

Chivas
09-14-2008, 02:24 PM
I agree it will sell very well to most FSX users.

Stiletto-
09-14-2008, 08:15 PM
I had a CH Virtual Pilot, got it back in 1994 and used it extensivley in flight sims and racing sims. I got a free logitech wingman joystick when the original IL2 was out but alot of the time I went back to the yoke. I would have probably kept using it if I upgraded my computer and couldn't use a gameport controller anymore. Pitty the P-38 wasnt around back then. The Yoke looks very nice, but now days I have a HOTAS for flying sims and a G25 for racing sims. I'd probably still consider a yoke if I didnt like the racing sims, but now days its nice to have a stick and a wheel instead of a 2 wheels. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sillius_Sodus
09-14-2008, 09:54 PM
Perhaps someone could try IL-2 with the new yoke and give us some real feedback.

BrotherVoodoo
09-15-2008, 09:53 AM
I may pick one up at some point to replace my old CH yoke, but am in no hurry. My old one still has plenty of life in it and there are no additions to this model I "have" to have. Now if it was metal and leather wrapped...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

horseback
09-15-2008, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
No point at all,as what I said is correct.
The price for me will be nearly double what it is in America if it is priced the same as other CH products.That is not negative,its a fact.
I would love you to tell me otherwise,but obviously as I am apparently too negative... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Uther, the question you need to ask is "Who's getting all the extra money charged in the UK?"

Is it:

A) the Government (import fees, taxes and whatnot-mostly whatnot).
B) The shipping company (packing it up and flying/shipping it there from the West Coast of the US ain't cheap; and besides there's the little matter of who's going to pay for those cute brown shorts...).
C) The retailer (it does make sense that after going to all the trouble of setting up a shop and paying CH, the shipping company and the government johnnies, that they'd like a little bit for themselves).
D) CH (they undoubtedly charge more to people with funny accents; of course, some of those silly buggers expect a discount because they live in wet chilly places).
E) All of the above

cheers

horseback

PS - I live less than 30 miles away from them, and it's a lot cheaper to get their stuff online; they don't WANT to sell direct, so they charge more when you go directly through them.