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general_kalle
03-05-2008, 07:28 AM
seen from a german perspektive.
when should they have ended the war.

reading in a book by Adolf Galland the odds they had to face germany later in the war. They should have ended the war when the ardenne offensive failed.
the rest of the war was just prolonging the end which came anyway, but of course. hitler was too Fanatic to do that.
but imagine the amount of lifes and rebulding the could have been spared had the war in Janurary 1945.

general_kalle
03-05-2008, 07:28 AM
seen from a german perspektive.
when should they have ended the war.

reading in a book by Adolf Galland the odds they had to face germany later in the war. They should have ended the war when the ardenne offensive failed.
the rest of the war was just prolonging the end which came anyway, but of course. hitler was too Fanatic to do that.
but imagine the amount of lifes and rebulding the could have been spared had the war in Janurary 1945.

JG53Frankyboy
03-05-2008, 07:36 AM
8 November 1939 !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Elser

Mr. Elser just needed to have success...........

Bewolf
03-05-2008, 07:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
seen from a german perspektive.
when should they have ended the war.

reading in a book by Adolf Galland the odds they had to face germany later in the war. They should have ended the war when the ardenne offensive failed.
the rest of the war was just prolonging the end which came anyway, but of course. hitler was too Fanatic to do that.
but imagine the amount of lifes and rebulding the could have been spared had the war in Janurary 1945. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1941, when Stalin sued for peace twice during the germans drive towards Moscow. Naturally, from a purely Nazi Germany perspective.

MB_Avro_UK
03-05-2008, 07:58 AM
Hi all,

Maybe the offer of an early conditional surrender from the Allies rather than unconditional?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Bewolf
03-05-2008, 08:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
Hi all,

Maybe the offer of an early conditional surrender from the Allies rather than unconditional?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would have worked only with Hitler eliminated. But it was allied policy for complete victory over Germany, no matter if the german resistance was successful or not. One reason why the german anti Hitler movement was never supported by the allies.

Blutarski2004
03-05-2008, 09:12 AM
June 1940 - after the collapse of France.

Great Britain posed no invasion threat.

US entry into the war might likely have been forestalled.

Stalin's plan of an offensive stab in the back would have been altogether frustrated.

JG53Frankyboy
03-05-2008, 09:26 AM
after the anglo american forces had broken out of their Normandie bridgeheads........
with the western allies in advance in France, the angloamerican forces in italy and the soviets forces in the east in the advance already there was REALY no hope ( it hard to say this word in combination with the Nazi regime !!) anymore for germany's war efforts.

anyway, after late 1942 (El ALamein and the soviet offensive of Stalingrad) the main german war operation was the retreat !! with very few, local exceptions...........

jarink
03-05-2008, 11:30 AM
I think that after the Fall of France would've been too late. With France gone and a non-agression pact with the USSR still in place, it was obvious that Germany could have domintated any peace on the continent. That would still have constituted enough of a long-term threat to the British that they would not have been able to accept.

I think the best time would have been immediately after the fall of Poland. While technically at war with the French and British, there was still no large-scale fighting going on with them and no reason remaining for France and Britain to honor their treaties with Poland (since it was essentially defunct).