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dave93vert
09-29-2011, 02:48 PM
subject 16 tells desmond that its "too late to save them, eve.." well he is refering to saving eve/adam/humans from the earlier timeline. Eve doesnt have apple in the truth video until she says "adam, i have it". so desmond has to make the apple apear in her hand somehow, & probly thru time teleportation, because remember the email in AC talking about the project regarding time travel artifacts & USS Eldridge. Eve, in her time, knows she has to wait on the rooftop for the apple to manifest becuz a "good god" told her the plan & how desmond was going to save them in his future time. Subject 16 also says "the sun, too weak, must replenish energy"... and its not about him (16) or humans or a kid son. its evidently obvious that its refering to what eve's plan is with the apple whch is to make the mountain volcano explode to create ash clouds to block the sun 2 kill the "bad gods" because no sunlight makes them weak/die.
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dave93vert
09-29-2011, 02:48 PM
subject 16 tells desmond that its "too late to save them, eve.." well he is refering to saving eve/adam/humans from the earlier timeline. Eve doesnt have apple in the truth video until she says "adam, i have it". so desmond has to make the apple apear in her hand somehow, & probly thru time teleportation, because remember the email in AC talking about the project regarding time travel artifacts & USS Eldridge. Eve, in her time, knows she has to wait on the rooftop for the apple to manifest becuz a "good god" told her the plan & how desmond was going to save them in his future time. Subject 16 also says "the sun, too weak, must replenish energy"... and its not about him (16) or humans or a kid son. its evidently obvious that its refering to what eve's plan is with the apple whch is to make the mountain volcano explode to create ash clouds to block the sun 2 kill the "bad gods" because no sunlight makes them weak/die.
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LightRey
09-29-2011, 02:51 PM
He actually does refer to someone's (could be Desmond, but he could be hallucinating and stuff) son. It can be seen in the subtitles.

Sarari
09-29-2011, 02:53 PM
That's a long explanation. It was sort of confusing but I kinda get what you're saying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dave93vert
09-29-2011, 03:00 PM
thnx, its not as long as the games are, thats for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

dave93vert
09-29-2011, 03:45 PM
bump, thoughts?

LightRey
09-29-2011, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
bump, thoughts? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's against the rules to bump threads.

blazefp
09-29-2011, 04:58 PM
It seems a well oriented theory, it seems difficult to prove that this is wrong. Only problem is, it's also difficult to prove this is right. Funny, it's just like a reasonable conspiracy theory.


Another theory to the bag http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Dralight
09-29-2011, 05:02 PM
That's a good theory you've got there, seems plausible and it's quite interesting.

NewBlade200
09-29-2011, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
It seems a well oriented theory, it seems difficult to prove that this is wrong. Only problem is, it's also difficult to prove this is right. Funny, it's just like a reasonable conspiracy theory.


Another theory to the bag http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This time in 1 year and 2 months they'll all be debunked. Makes you notice how ridiculous it all seems http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

CRUDFACE
09-29-2011, 05:35 PM
My comments...

-eve has what looks like a pouch on her left arm, which is capable of carrying the apple when she climbs.

-the apple is shown to work in conjunction with the receptors present in the body. hybrids, such as Ezio and Altair lack these receptors in the brain. The apple only works with organisms, not with the environment. From what I've seen almost every POE works in conjunction with a person. Only one we've seen that could do that is the Staff, maybe the temples if at such a larger scale.

-Using the ship makes one sick just after a few minutes, going back that far would kill anybody. Then again, we know Desmond's neurology...the cranial nerves? Are different. Not sure about his physiology though. Might be able to handle it.

-Without the sun everybody dies...yeah...and Adam and Eve started the war with the apple, that means they were part of the fighting. I don't think they turned away from war, I think they started it. For religion's sake, I think eve is the one who convinced Adam to go through with it. They may have changed later on, but right then, they started a Revolution in a way.

-BTW, Minerva already states that it was the sun's solar activity that did them in, not the volcano. the volcano was the myth, the truth was in the sun.

...that's it.

dave93vert
09-29-2011, 09:44 PM
i wanted to add to my theory by saying that it is very possible that in order for desmond to travel back in time to give eve the apple for her to defeat the "bad gods" he has to do it exactly on dec 21 2012 as that is probly what they will say is the best aligned configuration for the timetravel to work the best.

PirateRob
09-29-2011, 09:52 PM
cool theory but where does the evidence for time travel come in other than the philadelphia experiment thing,
maybe desmond will have to be going 88 mph in a delorean on the 21st december 2012 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

NuclearFuss
09-30-2011, 11:09 AM
Or Abstergo have a TARDIS.

jmk1999
09-30-2011, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
bump, thoughts? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's against the rules to bump threads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
this. please try to avoid in the future. thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

dave93vert
09-30-2011, 01:48 PM
yea i'll avoid saying "bump". thats why i did another post to add what i left out from my first post. it would also be nice for people to give thoughts on the theory while here, and not just say "hey its not legal to say BUMP". fine, tell me not to say bump, but also give feedback on the theory, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CRUDFACE
09-30-2011, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
yea i'll avoid saying "bump". thats why i did another post to add what i left out from my first post. it would also be nice for people to give thoughts on the theory while here, and not just say "hey its not legal to say BUMP". fine, tell me not to say bump, but also give feedback on the theory, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao, I did give you feedback http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

LightRey
09-30-2011, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
yea i'll avoid saying "bump". thats why i did another post to add what i left out from my first post. it would also be nice for people to give thoughts on the theory while here, and not just say "hey its not legal to say BUMP". fine, tell me not to say bump, but also give feedback on the theory, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
it's not against the rules to say "bump", it's against the rules to spam and bumping topics is considered spamming. Had you said "cheese sandwich" it would still have been against the rules.

dave93vert
09-30-2011, 03:30 PM
not u guys, i know u guys gave ur thoughts on the theory. i ment people who come in here just to say "dont say bump" lol

blazefp
09-30-2011, 04:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
not u guys, i know u guys gave ur thoughts on the theory. i ment people who come in here just to say "dont say bump" lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha don't worry too much, he was just trying to correct you. He does this all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

CRUDFACE
09-30-2011, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
not u guys, i know u guys gave ur thoughts on the theory. i ment people who come in here just to say "dont say bump" lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha don't worry too much, he was just trying to correct you. He does this all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darn that Lightrey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif lol

LightRey
09-30-2011, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
not u guys, i know u guys gave ur thoughts on the theory. i ment people who come in here just to say "dont say bump" lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha don't worry too much, he was just trying to correct you. He does this all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darn that Lightrey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Muawhahahahahaha! None can escape my corrective might! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

...wait, did I yell that out loud?

Jexx21
09-30-2011, 05:53 PM
I wish people would know me for someone other than the guy who started AC after ACB was released. D:

Animuses
09-30-2011, 06:02 PM
I didn't even know you did until recently. Did you start with AC or ACB?

Jexx21
09-30-2011, 06:15 PM
I started with AC, got it for 10 or 7.50 dollars (American) in a Steam sale along with Rainbow Six Vegas.

I then picked up AC2 for 20 dollars because I didn't feel like waiting for a Steam sale to buy it. After I completed it 100% I was all pumped up for Brotherhood but had to wait a few weeks because of some financial problems, and then finally picked up the deluxe edition of Brotherhood for 25 dollars. So I spent 52.50-55 dollars on Assassin's Creed so far.

Didn't need to include my prices, but I just did for no reason besides the fact that I like to gloat a bit.

EDIT: Wait, I bought the AC2 soundtrack, The Secret Crusade, and Altiar's Chronicles. So... 10+12+3= 25. So Add $25 + $55.. Around $80 I spent on Assassin's Creed. Still... that's the price of Mass Effect 3's CE. Not bad...

CRUDFACE
10-01-2011, 12:44 AM
What am I known for....oh yeah right, I am known for something, lol. Just not the "good" kind of something


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
not u guys, i know u guys gave ur thoughts on the theory. i ment people who come in here just to say "dont say bump" lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha don't worry too much, he was just trying to correct you. He does this all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darn that Lightrey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Muawhahahahahaha! None can escape my corrective might! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

...wait, did I yell that out loud? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a dictator in the making on the assassin's creed forum?

...
...
KILL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif!!!

Jexx21
10-20-2011, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx
And may I address something in your theory? You say that the volcano will blot out the sun and kill the 'bad gods'. You do know that that would kill all of the first civilization and humans right? It's basic science, and the first civilization is one species. They don't have 2 separate species, and the 'good gods' would be killed right along with the 'bad gods'. And it would def. kill humans.

As for Desmond making the apple materialize in Eve's hand, I don't see how that would end the series. It would just put the whole game in an endless cycle and wouldn't help save the world in the modern times, as Eve already has the apple in The Truth video.

I would of posted this in your topic, but the link in your sig doesn't like there..

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey
I'm also quite sure that in one of ACII's glyphs it was stated that the cataclysmic event was NOT a volcanic eruption (in science it is currently presumed that such an event did occur and that it was a volcanic eruption), but actually a solar flare, so S16 and Minerva are both directly contradicting this theory.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dave
the volcano ash clouds that would cover the sunlight for an extedned period would be enought o weaken the "god-like" enslavers of eve's people. then they can defeat them easy. thus rewriting history. SIG link should be workin now

yes a solar flare is supposed to have caused the first booboo. but with the apple eve can rewrite history and defend the planet against a future solar flare.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> originally posted by lightrey


because that is not some random thing you made up so that your story fits, but is actually backed up by hard evidence?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Originally posted by Jexx
but she already has the apple..

She has the apple in The Truth video. They are already on the cycle according to your theory. It just wouldn't work.

And by the way, humans need the sun too. Subject 16 just isn't able to stay in the white room long enough, he needed more energy.

It's more likely that the power that the Animus uses in Brotherhood came from solar panels, and that Eve had the apple for most of The Truth video in the little red pouch on her arm.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

dave93vert
10-20-2011, 04:57 PM
you first have to try real real real real hard to not look at my theory with a judgmental or close-mindedness and trying to find fault in it right off the bat. u have to look at the clues from the game and interpret them for what they are. if u cant use your intuition to do this, then u have to wait and see for yourself for the last part(s) of the game to be released.

now then, eve DOES NOT have the apple nor is it in the small pouch on her arm. if she did have it like u say, then where did she get it? was the kitchen cabinet open and there it was? NO! so anyhow, on the roof she yells excitedly "Adam i have it", because at that moment it manifested in her hand. here is where u have to go back to AC1 and the desktop pc in the conference room tells about time travel projects/artifacts. hence, Desmond will learn this ability and use it to transport the apple to eve. whom by the way subject 16 said "its too late to save them". 16 also says "the sun, too weak, must replenish energy" to clue us in on how to beat the "alien/pseudo gods, which is by blocking sunlight with ash clouds from the volcano made to erupt with the apple. the volcano is not there by coincidence or for decoration.
think of the layout of the AC story as u would a Quentin Tarentino movie like Pulp Fiction.... we see the ending which is already played out or written, and then we are shown how it happened. same thing with AC, except this time it might be in fact rewritten as it is to be understood that eve did not have an apple originally in our timeline, however now she will have it because of Desmond and minerva intervention, for whatever reason.

LightRey
10-20-2011, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
you first have to try real real real real hard to not look at my theory with a judgmental or close-mindedness and trying to find fault in it right off the bat. u have to look at the clues from the game and interpret them for what they are. if u cant use your intuition to do this, then u have to wait and see for yourself for the last part(s) of the game to be released.

now then, eve DOES NOT have the apple nor is it in the small pouch on her arm. if she did have it like u say, then where did she get it? was the kitchen cabinet open and there it was? NO! so anyhow, on the roof she yells excitedly "Adam i have it", because at that moment it manifested in her hand. here is where u have to go back to AC1 and the desktop pc in the conference room tells about time travel projects/artifacts. hence, Desmond will learn this ability and use it to transport the apple to eve. whom by the way subject 16 said "its too late to save them". 16 also says "the sun, too weak, must replenish energy" to clue us in on how to beat the "alien/pseudo gods, which is by blocking sunlight with ash clouds from the volcano made to erupt with the apple. the volcano is not there by coincidence or for decoration.
think of the layout of the AC story as u would a Quentin Tarentino movie like Pulp Fiction.... we see the ending which is already played out or written, and then we are shown how it happened. same thing with AC, except this time it might be in fact rewritten as it is to be understood that eve did not have an apple originally in our timeline, however now she will have it because of Desmond and minerva intervention, for whatever reason. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
S16 actually says: "The son. Your son. *short pause* Too weak. Must replenish energy."

TWCB are neither aliens nor gods. Minerva herself stated they were not gods and it was confirmed a while ago that they aren't aliens either. As Minerva said, they simply came before.

Jexx21
10-20-2011, 05:20 PM
dude. I don't start reading theories and try to find faults in them. It's just that the faults in your theory are just so apparent right as you read it.

Why don't you take a look at the clues? Desmond doesn't get the apple to magically transport it back in time to stop TWCB, Desmond got the apple to use it with the temples, according to what we hear from Bill Miles at the end of Brotherhood. Also, Juno told Desmond to activate the Sixth sense, not activate the ability to time travel.

Subject 16's talk about being too weak and needing to replenish energy is most likely about himself. He probably can't have a form in the Animus outside of the Black Room without using a lot of energy. He does send you to find 'Eve', but I think it's more like finding Desmond's Eve to his Adam. Not to finding the first Eve.

As for the object that can be used for Time Travel, it can't be used for a very long amount of time, and when it is used it involves a lot of distress. Like most Pieces of Eden causing distress for people.

Also, how in the world is the apple even going to cause a volcano to erupt!?! The apple causes illusions, not physical things! It gives you knowledge, not physical force! The apple is not an atomic bomb!

Also, Those Who Came Before are most likely not aliens in the canon of the storyline. They are simply Those Who Came Before, and they created humans.

My theory is that the solar flare killed off TWCB and also set off a flood that destroyed most of the previous works of the First Civilization. The humans survived with the help of TWCB that were on the side of the humans, and they used the apples with the Temples in the nick of time to survive. Some of TWCB survived, and they knew what was to come, and imprinted their consciousness into the Temples so that they could speak to the generations to come. Desmond will have to go around the world to these temples, and activating shields so that it will protect the world from the Solar flare.

SirRaelix
10-20-2011, 10:48 PM
I'm not sure what to think about your theory. I mean it was well thought out, but it just didn't connect with me.

Unless I missed something, I believe you didn't mention anything about what happened to Lucy. some dev might have confirmed it isn't true, but i doubt it.(I haven't been on the forums in a long time and the theories have changed alot) But the one that makes the most sense to me is a little bit more literal.

16 refers to your son, not as in the son, but i'm gonna guess Desmond's Physical son. Lucy and Desmond always had a type of connection, and i believe in one of the games both of them had a night off together. I could be wrong but, i believe I read something about that somewhere. It would make sense and be a linking factor to between what happened to Lucy at the end of ACB and the truth in that game. It would clear up why Juno made Desmond stab Lucy and only Lucy. If she hadn't been an important piece, why was she stabbed?

Another explanation for what happened would be because she is a traitor to the cause, but then that would mean that she would appear red to Desmond's Eagle Vision, which shows everyone's true intentions. So that one is unlikely unless it was overlooked by the development team.

I do like that you are sharing your theory as I enjoy reading them to see what everyone else thinks, but you're just doesn't connect with me, especially the time travel part, it might explain how Eve got the apple, but from what I've seen from use of the POE's it drains you pretty bad. Ezio lost a majority of his health using the Apple with a radius of more than a couple feet. What makes you think that he could go so far back in time without killing himself?

Anyways, the title is misleading. It isn't a definite answer to the game, it is a possibility and i'm not going to say a likely one because I'll be very shocked if it were to be right, but it isn't out of the range of the crazy things that go on in the franchise. No one besides the development team know the true answer as of now, and even they might not have truly worked out a perfect ending to it.

DeSabellis
10-21-2011, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F3arTh3L3g3nd:

16 refers to your son, not as in the son, but i'm gonna guess Desmond's Physical son.

Another explanation for what happened would be because she is a traitor to the cause, but then that would mean that she would appear red to Desmond's Eagle Vision, which shows everyone's true intentions. So that one is unlikely unless it was overlooked by the development team. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He [16] uses both words, sun and son, when talking to Desmond if you have it on subtitles.

There is no way they would make Lucy red to begin with because you would have known from AC1 that she was evil. That just ruins the surprise.

I think the major problem with all these theories is that while they claim to be inclusive, and take into consideration all of the important facts, they leave gaping holes and contradiction. No one has been right in predicting theories for any of the games- so why assume that now, we have it down. If anything, look at the theory you constructed and take comfort in the fact that it is not going to be used in the game. No one.... no one guessed that ACR would be the next game or that it would in Turkey.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 06:28 AM
its my theory, so i prefer to call Minerva's race of beings "aliens" and/or "pseudo gods". u guys can call them as u please, but i will continue doing as i please. on that same note, the term "illegal alien" has been used to describe immigrants from other countries coming into the usa. so if "alien" is suitable for a human description, the it is perfect for Minerva's beings. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

oh and i cant wait til the game comes out so i can post my "TOLD U SO" finale. hahaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

LightRey
10-21-2011, 07:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
its my theory, so i prefer to call Minerva's race of beings "aliens" and/or "pseudo gods". u guys can call them as u please, but i will continue doing as i please. on that same note, the term "illegal alien" has been used to describe immigrants from other countries coming into the usa. so if "alien" is suitable for a human description, the it is perfect for Minerva's beings. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

oh and i cant wait til the game comes out so i can post my "TOLD U SO" finale. hahaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
"alien" is a term used for people from somewhere else. Originally it was a Latin term referring to someone else, but in the English language it only refers to "outsiders" so to speak, which isn't a correct term for TWCB considering they didn't come from anywhere outside of human occupied territory.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 07:51 AM
all good bro. we can agree to disagree. u call them what u want. doesnt bother me one bit. but in this thread they are alien gods, like it or not. peace out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Grandmaster_Z
10-21-2011, 08:00 AM
cool theory bro

blazefp
10-21-2011, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
all good bro. we can agree to disagree. u call them what u want. doesnt bother me one bit. but in this thread they are alien gods, like it or not. peace out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if you had understood what LightRey said you wouldn't say that. They can't be aliens, they'r from here, the Earth, and "aliens" is a word used for foreigners.
Sorry bro but they'r no aliens nor gods, like it or not

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
Well if you had understood what LightRey said you wouldn't say that. They can't be aliens, they'r from here, the Earth, and "aliens" is a word used for foreigners. Sorry bro but they'r no aliens nor gods, like it or not </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanx 4 ur input, appreciate it. me and u can also agree to disagree, hehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
cool theory bro </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks man, its just a theory. its funny becasue alot of haters will read it, and then try real hard to try to dispute it and even find a nitpick thing like "hey they arent gods" or "they arent aliens", wow dude really?! hahaha cracks me up
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LightRey
10-21-2011, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
cool theory bro </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks man, its just a theory. its funny becasue alot of haters will read it, and then try real hard to try to dispute it and even find a nitpick thing like "hey they arent gods" or "they arent aliens", wow dude really?! hahaha cracks me up
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Eh, dude. He's being sarcastic (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cool-story-bro#.TqF9zLIR9Bk).

SirRaelix
10-21-2011, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
cool theory bro </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks man, its just a theory. its funny becasue alot of haters will read it, and then try real hard to try to dispute it and even find a nitpick thing like "hey they arent gods" or "they arent aliens", wow dude really?! hahaha cracks me up
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think its about the fact that you are so convinced that you are right you fail to reason with a single person on this thread.

Grandmaster_Z
10-21-2011, 08:18 AM
i was being sarcastic but at the same time who knows, you could be right. nothing is true...

blazefp
10-21-2011, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
Well if you had understood what LightRey said you wouldn't say that. They can't be aliens, they'r from here, the Earth, and "aliens" is a word used for foreigners. Sorry bro but they'r no aliens nor gods, like it or not </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanx 4 ur input, appreciate it. me and u can also agree to disagree, hehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Meh I don't even agree with that. Whatever

LightRey
10-21-2011, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
i was being sarcastic but at the same time who knows, you could be right. nothing is true... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
...Everything is testicle

but to this whole thread I say:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/053/539/1275832084784.jpg?1318992465

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 08:28 AM
is that the best u guys can offer me? sarcasm, calling out a "god" or "alien" superlative, saying my theory is wrong, or saying u dont agree to "agree to disagree". wow!
it is what it is, and my theory stands as controversial, and inspires you all to devote time to reply to it. that alone says alot about it. i cant conceive of the comments should the theory prove to be correct in some way. that would be too much joy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

LightRey
10-21-2011, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
is that the best u guys can offer me? sarcasm, calling out a "god" or "alien" superlative, saying my theory is wrong, or saying u dont agree to "agree to disagree". wow!
it is what it is, and my theory stands as controversial, and inspires you all to devote time to reply to it. that alone says alot about it. i cant conceive of the comments should the theory prove to be correct in some way. that would be too much joy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, we've offered you a lot of evidence that directly contradicts it. You've just been ignoring it and we're done wasting our time on your trolling.

SirRaelix
10-21-2011, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
is that the best u guys can offer me? sarcasm, calling out a "god" or "alien" superlative, saying my theory is wrong, or saying u dont agree to "agree to disagree". wow!
it is what it is, and my theory stands as controversial, and inspires you all to devote time to reply to it. that alone says alot about it. i cant conceive of the comments should the theory prove to be correct in some way. that would be too much joy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do believe that most of these people are posting to say what we believe, not because we necessarily believe your theory. At this point the game is so open that it could turn in any direction that it wants too. No one knows for sure. Like just 5 minutes ago I read about an Atlantis theory that was very well supported that could very well be a possibility too. Its all up in the Air and we won't know until the 15th of next month.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 08:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Actually, we've offered you a lot of evidence that directly contradicts it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, i realize that a person such as yourself lightguy would enter a thread with the mindset to "Correct or win or have the last word" on the topic at hand, that has been evident all over the boards. but i wonder, if i came out with another possible theory, only this time stated that i believed it was not possible for that theory to be true at all, i guess u would take the contrary position and try to fight with me that it is right. ur a funny guy lightguy. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

LightRey
10-21-2011, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Actually, we've offered you a lot of evidence that directly contradicts it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, i realize that a person such as yourself lightguy would enter a thread with the mindset to "Correct or win or have the last word" on the topic at hand, that has been evident all over the boards. but i wonder, if i came out with another possible theory, only this time stated that i believed it was not possible for that theory to be true at all, i guess u would take the contrary position and try to fight with me that it is right. ur a funny guy lightguy. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I only believe theories that aren't ridiculous and contradictory to the evidence that the games provide.

blazefp
10-21-2011, 08:45 AM
@daveguy You seriously think he is chasing you? Your ego is kinda big

LightRey
10-21-2011, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
@daveguy You seriously think he is chasing you? Your ego is kinda big </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, tbt I think it's the other way 'round. He seems to have taken quite an interest in everything I've posted over the past couple of months.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 08:49 AM
nobody asked u to believe my theory lightguy. u funny guy.

my ego is what it is.

my theory is awesome.

u guys are awesome.

i have a new home here.

blazefp
10-21-2011, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
nobody asked u to believe my theory lightguy. u funny guy.

my ego is what it is.

my theory is awesome.

u guys are awesome.

i have a new home here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Someone said this \/ before...who was it?...oh wait...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> is that the best u guys can offer me? sarcasm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SirRaelix
10-21-2011, 09:06 AM
Dave, get over yourself. No one is out to get you. You say he came in here with a mindset, well so did you. You won't listen to what anyone else has to say. You are so ready to defend your theory and that it is 100% true that you take out anyone in your path. Come on, really, no one knows for sure what is going to happen. I highly doubt that Desmond would teleport back in time to give them something that was already previously at the facility they were all in already. It is more likely that adam and eve stole it.

So please do get over yourself. No one is chasing you, you are just chasing everyone else that doesn't agree with you. It makes you like dumb and ignorant, which doesn't help your theory. You fail to look at it from any other views. Facts that contradict your theory are basically thrown a side and categorized as unimportant to the series.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 09:43 AM
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n492/terrypena/ACtruthfunny.jpg

LightRey
10-21-2011, 09:46 AM
is that supposed to be convincing?

ShaneO7K
10-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Do you really think adding text beside those images make your theory any more convincing?

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 10:04 AM
nothing is true, everything is permitted

Jexx21
10-21-2011, 10:04 AM
Dave, I provided evidence for you. I am NOT a hater, in fact, I love theories about this game.

But your theory is just so impossible, and I provided you with evidence.

You say that you are in your 30s and have kids? If so, you act a lot younger than you are. If you want to be a good role model for your kids, I'd suggest that you start looking at how you live your life, and try to be more humble.

I'd also suggest to start typing with your best spelling and grammar, as I'm only 16 and I have better typing than you do at the moment. It actually really helps in the long run.

After all, a good parent wants to be a good role model to their kids, and to be a great role model to your kids, you have to have a sound and logical mind, but also carry a great personality. I try my best to do all of that, even at my age, just because it's the best thing to do. (In my opinion, anyway)

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 10:33 AM
Jex, thanx for the energy and time u devoted to reply to my thread.

i have to look at da keyboard when i type, and dont feel like using a spellchecquer for a casual board.

at 16, u still have a long life ahead of u, and when i was ur age i made sure i didnt talk down 2 my elders, regardless of how much temtpation i felt to do so, or what the circustances were.

i have 2 kids, and they are just fine. daddy's done good for himself and they are reaping the rewards of that.

how u perceive me, when based on a game theory, is purely irrelevant to me. u can feel free to express ur humblesness, as defined by u, however and whenever u please. telling another human being over the internet to be humble, however unwarranted it may be to do so, is easier than **** it in person, eh....

so Jex, all we are left with is two things:
1. u can choose to try to come up with some sort of rebuttal to this post, which is totally your choice. or 2. be entertained or not entertained by my theory, for it is a what u see is what u get theory. a theory for a "game" nonetheless. one of hundereds of thousands of theories about this game.
the choice my young apprentice is ur's.

p.s. scroll up to check out my kool pictorial version of my theory http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

r4inm4n1991
10-21-2011, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
Dave, I provided evidence for you. I am NOT a hater, in fact, I love theories about this game.

But your theory is just so impossible, and I provided you with evidence.

You say that you are in your 30s and have kids? If so, you act a lot younger than you are. If you want to be a good role model for your kids, I'd suggest that you start looking at how you live your life, and try to be more humble.

I'd also suggest to start typing with your best spelling and grammar, as I'm only 16 and I have better typing than you do at the moment. It actually really helps in the long run.

After all, a good parent wants to be a good role model to their kids, and to be a great role model to your kids, you have to have a sound and logical mind, but also carry a great personality. I try my best to do all of that, even at my age, just because it's the best thing to do. (In my opinion, anyway) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! Great speech(not being sarcastic) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The theory is a little "strange"(i dont know how to say it without hurting his feelings)

Ive been reading many theories from you guys and from other forums, and i think we should focus on what the Game's StoryLine gives us.
There are too many theories and some people just want some attention so they begin to inventing stuff.

dave93 about S16, theres not much to say, if that little cutscene where he(S16?) appears inside the animus wasnt put in the internet we would have no idea what he looks like and the Nexus thingy. About "The Truth" NEVERMIND, YOULL NEVER EVER GET THERE until the devs show us.
The only thing we know, if im correct, is that Altair saw the end of the world(for TWCB or Humans) and that he knows the truth.
I dont know if hes death was confirmed but after he checked for the last time the Apple he stopped writting codex pages...Maybe in the game Altair will give us the answers more than Ezio! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 10:42 AM
r4inm4n1991: your post on my thread was your 2nd, welcome to the boards. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

LightRey
10-21-2011, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by r4inm4n1991:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
Dave, I provided evidence for you. I am NOT a hater, in fact, I love theories about this game.

But your theory is just so impossible, and I provided you with evidence.

You say that you are in your 30s and have kids? If so, you act a lot younger than you are. If you want to be a good role model for your kids, I'd suggest that you start looking at how you live your life, and try to be more humble.

I'd also suggest to start typing with your best spelling and grammar, as I'm only 16 and I have better typing than you do at the moment. It actually really helps in the long run.

After all, a good parent wants to be a good role model to their kids, and to be a great role model to your kids, you have to have a sound and logical mind, but also carry a great personality. I try my best to do all of that, even at my age, just because it's the best thing to do. (In my opinion, anyway) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! Great speech(not being sarcastic) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The theory is a little "strange"(i dont know how to say it without hurting his feelings)

Ive been reading many theories from you guys and from other forums, and i think we should focus on what the Game's StoryLine gives us.
There are too many theories and some people just want some attention so they begin to inventing stuff.

dave93 about S16, theres not much to say, if that little cutscene where he(S16?) appears inside the animus wasnt put in the internet we would have no idea what he looks like and the Nexus thingy. About "The Truth" NEVERMIND, YOULL NEVER EVER GET THERE until the devs show us.
The only thing we know, if im correct, is that Altair saw the end of the world(for TWCB or Humans) and that he knows the truth.
I dont know if hes death was confirmed but after he checked for the last time the Apple he stopped writting codex pages...Maybe in the game Altair will give us the answers more than Ezio! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just to clarify on some things you said (warning, contains SPOILERS):
The guy in the video on the internet has basically been confirmed to be S16. Aside from the obvious similarities between him and the blurred out figure in the picture in his encyclopedia entry, as seen in the Making of the Encyclopedia video, EscoBlades was kind enough to confirm it for us, which should be reliable enough.

From the same video about the Encyclopedia it can also be concluded that Alta´r is indeed dead (he has a date of death in his entry).

r4inm4n1991
10-21-2011, 10:49 AM
I agree LightRey, when i said " dont know if hes death was confirmed(...)" i meant the way he died(from a car accident, desease, etc), i know that he died.

PS: I just read from wiki the Story of Altair after he defeated Al Mualim, its so sad...

LightRey
10-21-2011, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by r4inm4n1991:
I agree LightRey, when i said " dont know if hes death was confirmed(...)" i meant the way he died(from a car accident, desease, etc), i know that he died.

PS: I just read from wiki the Story of Altair after he defeated Al Mualim, its so sad... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah I know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. However, parts of it might not be canon. We'll see just how canonical it is in ACR I guess.

Jexx21
10-21-2011, 10:54 AM
It's canon until proven otherwise LightRey, as UbiSoft released it with their label and said that the books were canon.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n492/terrypena/ACtruthfunny.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the above has been added to my first post on this thread, for all future viewers to see quicker. by the way this is better than youtube. 1530+ views already, wow. lets get over 2000 before monday ya'll

LightRey
10-21-2011, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
It's canon until proven otherwise LightRey, as UbiSoft released it with their label and said that the books were canon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's why I said "might" and we all know just how much the novels tend to deviate from events in the games.

Jexx21
10-21-2011, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
It's canon until proven otherwise LightRey, as UbiSoft released it with their label and said that the books were canon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's why I said "might" and we all know just how much the novels tend to deviate from events in the games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In all honesty, they don't that much. It's just that some major things were altered, making it seem like a lot of things were changed.

r4inm4n1991
10-21-2011, 11:05 AM
I didn't read the books, but i read the "?????" from the AC Wiki(damn i dont know the word to put here, please tell me if you understand my sentence)
And i LOVED IT, the story is more "realistic" than the game, and it truly gives that dark side on the AC Universe(i dont really like the "im cool" style of Ezio in some parts of the game)
My favorite part: Ezio's kisses Jacobo de Pazzi forehead before he dies.
Thats why AC1 has a better atmosphere, cuz it has that little something, dark Mwhahaha!

RzaRecta357
10-21-2011, 11:23 AM
Wow. I just read through 4 pages of complete ignorance to tell Jexx that I LOVE that idea of implanting their minds into the temples in a sort of TOWCB ancient animus.

I never thought of it like that.

But as we all know they are obviously trying to follow the bible and stuff with the Adam and Eve thing.

Adam was probably convinced by Eve to pluck the apple. Or maybe by another "god or alien" whatever this kid calls it.

Then the TOWCB chased them out or something.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 12:09 PM
that a nice thought about the implanting. i read a few yrs ago about a cult called Raelians, they wanna clone people to extend human life by implaniting our minds into the younger clone bodies. all very interesting...... or not. meh

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 12:39 PM
for the full theory pictorial sequence showing the refer to post 1 on page 1. this pic below is the latest addition however to my theory sequence. full sequence on page 1.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n492/terrypena/ACtruthfunny2.jpg

r4inm4n1991
10-21-2011, 01:30 PM
xD you are obcessed with your theory!!!

its ok, but i think we got the picture.

So? now we wait for more theories or what in this thread?

SirRaelix
10-21-2011, 06:55 PM
It doesn't matter how old you actually are, you are acting very childish about your theory and why we don't believe it. Oh and 2,000 views isn't to many considering, I've looked atthis like 15 myself, and probably 30 more refreshing while watching TV.

dave93vert
10-21-2011, 07:44 PM
im not even worried about who believes it or not or why. the point of the thread is to state the theory, and thats all. i didnt start the thread to sit and wait for arguments, and then launch into a civil dispute case about it. its just a theory, lol.

Jexx21
10-21-2011, 08:27 PM
but you treat it like fact.

"Just wait for Revelations, you'll see then. I'll be laughing my butt off when I see I'm correct!"

LightRey
10-22-2011, 03:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
but you treat it like fact.

"Just wait for Revelations, you'll see then. I'll be laughing my butt off when I see I'm correct!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Exactly. A theory without conclusive evidence to prove its truthfulness (which basically comes down to the games actually stating/showing it's true) is in the end nothing more than speculation and should be treated as such.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 04:31 AM
a theory is a theroy, is a theory, is a theory.

mine just happens to be awesome. even if it turns out to be only partially true or almost enturely untrue, its an awesome theory, and thats all that matters.

(for full pictures about theory see page 1)

LightRey
10-22-2011, 04:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
a theory is a theroy, is a theory, is a theory.

mine just happens to be awesome. even if it turns out to be only partially true or almost enturely untrue, its an awesome theory, and thats all that matters.

(for full pictures about theory see page 1) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
At least you're admitting your theory could be wrong now. That's a start. I'd still advise you to play through the games again, because there are some serious discrepancies.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 05:21 AM
lightguy, as much as u "care" to oppose this one in a million theory, i expect u to come back here, if it happens to be at all true, and say something to the tune of "wow dave, u're theory was right, im ready to eat my words now"

by the way i never said my theory was true or unture. my thread title is "game finally anwered" whether the reader takes that as meaning "true or what not" is entirely up to the reader. its either true or untrue, but its still just theory.

(page 1 for full pictorial pics)
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

LightRey
10-22-2011, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
lightguy, as much as u "care" to oppose this one in a million theory, i expect u to come back here, if it happens to be at all true, and say something to the tune of "wow dave, u're theory was right, im ready to eat my words now"

by the way i never said my theory was true or unture. my thread title is "game finally anwered" whether the reader takes that as meaning "true or what not" is entirely up to the reader. its either true or untrue, but its still just theory.

(page 1 for full pictorial pics)
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You stated your theory as if it were fact, going on and on about how certain events meant this and that, not once mentioning the fact that all those things were made up by you. I don't mind you speculating on things, but stating a theory as if it were fact is not only annoying, but also very confusing to visitors and new members looking for answers.

I won't have to eat my words. You're obviously wrong.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 05:54 AM
well u have made your statements, and i hardly think u can come up with new material to contribute to my theory. so please stop trolling this thread. theres alot of other threads u can devote your time too.

as for my fans, new material coming soon, for now see page 1 for pics/story

LightRey
10-22-2011, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
well u have made your statements, and i hardly think u can come up with new material to contribute to my theory. so please stop trolling this thread. theres alot of other threads u can devote your time too.

as for my fans, new material coming soon, for now see page 1 for pics/story </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm discussing your theory am I not? That means I'm not trolling. If you're truly so confident about your theory, then you should be open to discussion.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 06:12 AM
well dont troll or spam the same comments then, and i wont mind u entering my home at all.

LightRey
10-22-2011, 06:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
well dont troll or spam the same comments then, and i wont mind u entering my home at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
lolwut? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ShaneO7K
10-22-2011, 06:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:


as for my fans </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you actually being serious here?

Bipolar Matt
10-22-2011, 06:24 AM
Dave, I really don't think your theory is true and holds any water. It's way too over the top. I will say, however, that I will be disappointed in Ubisoft if you are right. That would definitely be taking the series in a direction it should not go.

Steww-
10-22-2011, 06:25 AM
Just out of interest Dave, what do you think the temples are for?

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 06:27 AM
stew, what temples?

LightRey
10-22-2011, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
stew, what temples? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The temples of TWCB in AC. You know, Minerva's temple (the vault under the Vatican), Juno's temple (under the Santa Maria Aracoeli), etc.

Steww-
10-22-2011, 06:44 AM
Lucy: Sorry, Desmond, Piece of Eden. In the Vatican, Minerva talked about other temples, that they're the key to preventing whatever terrible thing is about to happen to the Earth.

^From AC wiki.

Edit: I should really have refreshed the page before I posted, thanks LightRey.

LightRey
10-22-2011, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steww-:
Lucy: Sorry, Desmond, Piece of Eden. In the Vatican, Minerva talked about other temples, that they're the key to preventing whatever terrible thing is about to happen to the Earth.

^From AC wiki.

Edit: I should really have refreshed the page before I posted, thanks LightRey. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No problem. What you posted confirms that there are more temples out there than the ones I mentioned, so that should avoid any confusion on that matter.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 07:10 AM
gonna look into the temple thing, and then come back later today with my findings. thnx stew

Jexx21
10-22-2011, 07:21 AM
WTF.

I mentioned the temples when I was giving you evidence that your theory couldn't be correct!

god.

LightRey
10-22-2011, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
gonna look into the temple thing, and then come back later today with my findings. thnx stew </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You did actually play the games, right?

blazefp
10-22-2011, 08:00 AM
Dave do you really have 30 and something years old? You look like a eleven year old kid that doesn't accept to be contradicted. Your theory isn't awesome at all, it isn't even probable. Either you'r blind and deaf or your eyes are closed and your hands are on your ears cuz you'r just saying "I don't care what you guys think or say, my theory is awesome because it involves time travel and volcanoes. Here are some pics for you to understand the awesomeness of my theory"

Your theory, as you said, is just a theory (just once, not three times "is just a theory") and thus it deserves to be treated like all theories so far - trying to prove them wrong. If we fail to conclude that it's wrong, than it's a good theory but if the theory has been proved to have discrepancies with the game, it's an improbable theory and therefore shouldn't be much discussed.

Right or wrong aren't relative terms. 2+2=4 to me same as to you, there's no wrong theories to me and right to you, there is only 1 right theory, to us all.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 08:03 AM
Jex, u say u mentioned the temples as evidence. i assume u mean evidence to disprove my theory in some way. did u mention how or why? be careful how u reply to this because u dont want to be found wrong, lol.

Animuses
10-22-2011, 08:09 AM
TWCB are not aliens nor are they gods, they simply came before.

LightRey
10-22-2011, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
Jex, u say u mentioned the temples as evidence. i assume u mean evidence to disprove my theory in some way. did u mention how or why? be careful how u reply to this because u dont want to be found wrong, lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this is what he was referring to:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
dude. I don't start reading theories and try to find faults in them. It's just that the faults in your theory are just so apparent right as you read it.

Why don't you take a look at the clues? Desmond doesn't get the apple to magically transport it back in time to stop TWCB, Desmond got the apple to use it with the temples, according to what we hear from Bill Miles at the end of Brotherhood. Also, Juno told Desmond to activate the Sixth sense, not activate the ability to time travel.

Subject 16's talk about being too weak and needing to replenish energy is most likely about himself. He probably can't have a form in the Animus outside of the Black Room without using a lot of energy. He does send you to find 'Eve', but I think it's more like finding Desmond's Eve to his Adam. Not to finding the first Eve.

As for the object that can be used for Time Travel, it can't be used for a very long amount of time, and when it is used it involves a lot of distress. Like most Pieces of Eden causing distress for people.

Also, how in the world is the apple even going to cause a volcano to erupt!?! The apple causes illusions, not physical things! It gives you knowledge, not physical force! The apple is not an atomic bomb!

Also, Those Who Came Before are most likely not aliens in the canon of the storyline. They are simply Those Who Came Before, and they created humans.

My theory is that the solar flare killed off TWCB and also set off a flood that destroyed most of the previous works of the First Civilization. The humans survived with the help of TWCB that were on the side of the humans, and they used the apples with the Temples in the nick of time to survive. Some of TWCB survived, and they knew what was to come, and imprinted their consciousness into the Temples so that they could speak to the generations to come. Desmond will have to go around the world to these temples, and activating shields so that it will protect the world from the Solar flare. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He clearly used them as valid pieces of evidence to contradict your theory.

Jexx21
10-22-2011, 10:38 AM
Hey dave..

is it really that hard to add an extra 'x' to the end of Jex? And why can't you call LightRey, LightRey, instead of lightguy?

It makes you come off as a prepubescent.

dave93vert
10-22-2011, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Desmond doesn't get the apple to magically transport it back in time to stop TWCB, Desmond got the apple to use it with the temples, according to what we hear from Bill Miles at the end of Brotherhood </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

use it with the temple for what, jex? a apple can be used anywhere, but used in a temple for what special purpose? u are getting closer to the truth jex, self discovery takes a while with u, eh....

Jexx21
10-22-2011, 11:18 AM
While I don't know who this 'Jex' fellow is, I'll answer it for him.

The apples activate the Temples which have some sort of defense system that will shield the world from the solar flare.

dave93vert
10-24-2011, 09:23 AM
ok, so u sited one use (already explained in game) for the temples and apples. thats great jex. i dont see how that works against my theory.

dave93vert
10-24-2011, 09:26 AM
here is some more theory evidence/support concerning the timetravel aspect of it.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n492/terrypena/ACtruthfunny3.jpg

enjoy!

ShaneO7K
10-24-2011, 09:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
ok, so u sited one use (already explained in game) for the temples and apples. thats great jex. i dont see how that works against my theory. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It proves that they are not used for time travel.

Please learn to accept that your theory may be wrong and not just ignore what others say.

dave93vert
10-24-2011, 09:53 AM
jex was the one who initially mentioned the temples. i didnt mention them at all. he was trying to disprove something that i didnt even mention to begin with, lol. "Noone besides the developers know what the temples are used for."

but we know for sure due to the email proof pic i posted above that the apple/PoE do time travel.

blazefp
10-24-2011, 10:02 AM
they USED it for time travel doesn't mean the PoE does time travel

LightRey
10-24-2011, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
they USED it for time travel doesn't mean the PoE does time travel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not to mention that it likely wasn't an apple, since from the looks of them all the apples had the same abilities (aside from the editing that was done on the "software" of Ezio's apple to give it the locations of the temples), none of which included time travel, since the one listed in the email appears to be the only one (which is why it was locked away by the templars).

dave93vert
10-24-2011, 10:16 AM
right so if it wasnt an apple, then it was an "artifact" as stated in the email. so then it figures that one can use the "artifact" to time travel themselves or an apple elsewhere.

LightRey
10-24-2011, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dave93vert:
right so if it wasnt an apple, then it was an "artifact" as stated in the email. so then it figures that one can use the "artifact" to time travel themselves or an apple elsewhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Presuming said artifact can actually do that. At this point all we know is that the USS Eldridge "manifested in a future state", which merely suggests the manipulation of spacetime to a scientifically "possible" (one should use that word lightly when talking about such matters) extent, allowing an object to "experience more time" than those in another frame of reference, which is somehow defined by this artifact. My point with this is that this only suggests the possibility of traveling forward in time (at a different rate than objects not affected by the artifact), not backwards and since traveling forwards in time like this is by far not as laws-of-nature-breaking as traveling backwards, I think we should assume that that's all the object really does, manipulating spacetime in a similar way we see in nature, but without the need of an object with a huge mass or to travel at a speed approaching the speed of light.

SirRaelix
10-24-2011, 12:07 PM
The more I read into this post, the more ignorant you said Dave.

There has been NO hard evidence that Ezio, Altiar, Desmond or anyone else will/has acquired a PoE to time travel. For all we know the pieces could have been destroyed some how. Through 3 games, the major piece has been the apple. Which Abstergo would use to basically rule the world. Yet you continue to pull in these PoE's that there is no evidence will even appear in the game. I can almost promise for a fact all of them won't be used. It isn't like Ezio will go find them, make a storage locker and wake up every morning, "Oh which piece do I want to flaunt around today?" He will probably never come in contact with a majority of the pieces.

Oh and theory doesn't mean fact by the way. I've seen theories that have blown my socks off(The Atlantis one). That is actually supported by more evidence then I would care to look up, but yet the guy who made the post acknowledges that it is just speculation and isn't running around saying he's finally figured it out, which is suprising that he isn't considering that there are some people like you who come up with ridiculous theories and do that very thing.