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raaaid
04-15-2004, 09:01 AM
He also claimed that fighting alone eliminates the high risk of firing at or colliding with a wingman in such extreme maneuvering. Marseille said that in such conditions, there's a lower chance and too little time for the usual chase attack method, and preferred to use high angle deflection firing from short range while making a sharp turn. In doing so, he never used his gun sight and instead fired a very short burst at the passing target in the split second when its leading edge, its propeller, disappeared from his eyes behind his aircraft's nose.

raaaid
04-15-2004, 09:01 AM
He also claimed that fighting alone eliminates the high risk of firing at or colliding with a wingman in such extreme maneuvering. Marseille said that in such conditions, there's a lower chance and too little time for the usual chase attack method, and preferred to use high angle deflection firing from short range while making a sharp turn. In doing so, he never used his gun sight and instead fired a very short burst at the passing target in the split second when its leading edge, its propeller, disappeared from his eyes behind his aircraft's nose.

Cajun76
04-15-2004, 09:21 AM
Thanks for clearing all that up. Additionally, why isn't the stick in a corn dog edible? It would increase me corn dog eating efficiency. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Breeze147
04-15-2004, 12:17 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gifActually, in 1935, a certain Alexander R. Smithberger of Waukegan, IL, USA, did develop an edible corn dog stick in hopes of cashing in on the corn dog craze at the upcoming 1939 Chicago World's Fair. The stick was made from compounded hog intestine. After much legal wrangling, the Smith Stick Co. of Gary, IN, USA, paid Mr. Smithberger $100,000, a huge sum in the Post-Depression era, to withdraw his Patent application for the edible corn dog stick. Much to the chagrin of Mr. Smithberger's heirs, such a Patent today would be worth approximately $50,000,000! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

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Zen--
04-15-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
Additionally, why isn't the stick in a corn dog edible? It would increase me corn dog eating efficiency. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Now that is some funny shat lol

Thanks for the laugh

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raaaid
04-15-2004, 12:56 PM
so you dont understand what im saying

so who is the stupid since i didnt write it but understand it perfectly
the link is here http://www.2worldwar2.com/marseille.htm

El Turo
04-15-2004, 01:05 PM
I am the stupid.

Cajun76
04-15-2004, 01:12 PM
All your stupids are belong to us! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Hey raaaid, don't get upset, man. I'm famous in my family for starting a converstion out of the depths of my thoughts, in the middle of pondering something. I start talking, and get this look: http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Cold_Gambler
04-15-2004, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
so you dont understand what im saying

so who is the stupid since i didnt write it but understand it perfectly
the link is here http://www.2worldwar2.com/marseille.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Raaaid,
Relax man, these guys are just joking around http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Interesting link, Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I've read it but I don't really understand what you mean by "target won't disappear behind the nose but behind the sight" and FB not being realistic...

When doing "scissors" with an enemy aircraft, one can do, in FB, exactly what is being described in the link (in RL): do an extreme-lead shot at the cross-over before being able to see the enemy AC.

Chuck_Older
04-15-2004, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
I am the stupid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What H_B is trying to say is: "Yes, we know full well that head movement isn't modelled"


I only have two comments:

1) I make accurate snapshots at targets well below the P-51's nose at around 25-30 degrees deflection, with little trouble

and

2) why should a tactic used by a talented man like Hans-Joachim Marseille be an easy tactic to learn for me or anyone else who has less skill and/or talent than H-J Marseille?

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raaaid
04-15-2004, 02:22 PM
marselle said that the propeller DISAPPEARS not appears

but the thing is simple, in the la7 for example, as you can not see the nose of the plane because the gunsight avoids you so you cant just not do what marseille said

in fact i would go further and i would say that when they improve the la5 and made the la7 they got rid off of the square shape on the top of the nose of the plane to improve sight for deflection shots
but then again since the nose can not be seen in the la7 we can not enjoy this advance

Chuck_Older
04-15-2004, 02:46 PM
So you mean the OTHER plane. OK


You are confusing folks when you mention the gunsight in your plane, and your nose, but the OTHER plane's propeller, I think

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