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ThomadeusPrime
02-11-2008, 07:19 PM
Hello, Im new to flight sims in general but have played Bf2 and flew extensively. I know Bf2 is very arcadish but it was something lol.

Anyways, I was wondering how long and if it was even possible for a completely new player to grasp the learning curve and do alright on multiplayer dog fights?

I have a microsoft sidewinder 2 and dont plan on purchasing any other expensive equipment, is that good enough?

Thanks in advance!

ThomadeusPrime
02-11-2008, 07:19 PM
Hello, Im new to flight sims in general but have played Bf2 and flew extensively. I know Bf2 is very arcadish but it was something lol.

Anyways, I was wondering how long and if it was even possible for a completely new player to grasp the learning curve and do alright on multiplayer dog fights?

I have a microsoft sidewinder 2 and dont plan on purchasing any other expensive equipment, is that good enough?

Thanks in advance!

ImMoreBetter
02-11-2008, 08:06 PM
I've been playing for half a year now.

And still suck.


You'll find the urge to buy more equipment. I can assure this.

ThomadeusPrime
02-11-2008, 08:30 PM
=( Im adamant about not buying any more equipment.. but are you having fun?

ImMoreBetter
02-11-2008, 08:51 PM
Completely.

Has grown to become my favorite game.

VW-IceFire
02-11-2008, 08:58 PM
I had a Sidewinder Precision 2 and I would still be using that if the stick hadn't eventually died. Probably from over use.

The learning curve sort of goes like this. It will be extreme for the first say 4-5 hours of play. You need to learn the controls and the basics of how aircraft fly...if you already know some of this stuff then its easier. We can also all recommend several aircraft that will make this process much less painful as many are automatic and relatively gentle in things like stalls.

After that the curve is very gentle as you already know how to press all the buttons needed to make you happy and the rest you can pick up along the way.

Will you have fun without buying a more expensive stick? Absolutely. Any joystick is immensely better than keyboard...anything above a basic stick is just icing on the cake but not necessary.

I've played BF2 extensively although my flight time is limited due to idiots on servers hogging all the aircraft but if you're a good jet and helicopter pilot then you're like to eventually excel at this game as well. What you won't be prepared for is actual air combat tactics of which there are few that can be used successfully in BF2. BF2 will give you the reflexes but some of the finer points are definitely missing so you'll have to unlearn a few bad habits. But its part of the fun.

So my suggestion is....absolutely grab the game...expect to need a few hours to really just work things out offline in the quick mission builder. Be prepared to write a few of the key controls (landing gear, guns, flaps, engine start) down on a piece of paper and work your way up from there.

And we're here on the forums in the community to help you with issues when you experience them.

There's also a "Nuggets Guide" around here somewhere with the most frequently asked questions. Good luck and hope to see you in the multiplayer skies sometime.

Zeus-cat
02-11-2008, 09:11 PM
Download my "Straight From the Farm" campaign to practice takeoffs and landings (see the link below). The campaign starts on land and then moves to carrier operations. The campaign covers a lot of the basic functions that you need to map like whell chocks, dive flaps, dive bombing sight, etc.

The campaign will NOT teach you how to dogfight, but there are other resources for that. Check out the Nuggets' Guide on the General Discussion forum for more tips on the IL-2 series.

if you want to play online you'll find most people play at Hyperlobby. Information on that is in the Nuggets' Guide.

Krismorrow
02-11-2008, 10:10 PM
Hey Im New to the game too. Well played it for about a week while at a friends house

Its true what they say the learning curve you pretty much have to sit down and more or less hit the runway (make some smoking holes) and try out aircrafts. The people in the game are super friendley tho as the game has been out for a long time and they always welcome a newcomer.

Dont expect to shoot down a player the first 30min.. played for 3 hours tonite and i was really, REALLY close.. twice.. which is a record lol.. Last year when i played for a week my only kill was a guy i flew into.

Skoshi Tiger
02-11-2008, 11:25 PM
I was practicing my mud moving skills last night online! Dive bombing and strafing AAA positions around a desert airstrip (and any planes that got in the way - Guns bombs and rockets were OK for ground kills!)

I died every time and then came to a great tatical realisation!

All my initial attacks were fine, But each time I made a run after my initial objective was complete, I'ld see a target of opportunity, get greedy or too excited and go for that as well.

And thats when I'ld be picked off by AAA or get blitzed by a 109 because I was in the area too long.

So learning the disciplne to follow out a plan is the next part of my learning! Avoiding unthoughtout actions and taking the time to assess the situation.

There are a lot of things to learn in this game!

Bearcat99
02-11-2008, 11:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by emailtommy04:
=( Im adamant about not buying any more equipment.. but are you having fun? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Yeeeahhhhh.... C'mon in here.... it's alot of fun... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


That stick will be alllll youlllll neeed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Then.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif one day.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif and you wont see it coming.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif You will just want mooooorrrre.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

It starts off simple at first.... just a microphone.... then.... maybe a throttle..... then.... perhaps.... some pedals... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif yes....pedals will...... make it more realistic.... yeahhhhh thats it.... and you know... this is a simulator right... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Then..... the hardware.... it usually starts with the video card... better frame rates... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif then it gets worse... and Worse.... and WORSE!!!!!! You want more RAM!! A Faster processor!!! More frames!!! MOOOORE FRAMES!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

RUN MAN!!!! RUUUUUUNNNNN!!!! Now while you still can!!! There's no hope for us.. we are all DOOMED already to endless upgrades and hovering around forums waiting for updates, patches ANYTHING!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

SAVE YOURSELLFFFFF!!!!

No!! No!!!!! You get away from my keyboard... no ... no I... must...... warn...



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

You must forgive Mr. Bearcat... he has been under quite a bit of strain lately... Allow me to assist you...

Why certainly that stick is good enough for this sim... as for fun..... well.... yes and no... I mean it is fun.. but... well.. why don't you just try it for yourself.... Give that nice Nugget's Guide in Mr. Bearcat's sig a look see... and then... have at it..... what do you have to loose? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


Muuuhhhhhhwhwahwahahahahahwahwa http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

X32Wright
02-12-2008, 01:13 AM
Please STOP scaring the noobs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-12-2008, 01:53 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif... But he's right!.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Oh, what I've spent for this 40, now 20 dollar game!...and I just orderd more!.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Schwarz.13
02-12-2008, 03:42 AM
I've been playing this for about a year now properly, mainly offline.

I've only just started playing online and usually get my arse handed back to me if i try to engage fighters. However i'm happy to make a couple of ground kills and land successfully (at the moment) - it's still fun and satisfying.

I almost made my 1st air kill on Spits vs 109s server last night but i was going well over 700kph and wasn't sure if it was a hostile until the last second (i didn't even bother firing just zoomed up and away).

Anyway after years of playing FPS games on & offline this is the only game i have installed on my PC now - i love it and it's always challenging http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S. You will feel compelled to buy more equipment - i only recently got rudder pedals but now i want TrackIR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

thefruitbat
02-12-2008, 03:53 AM
What you have is fine to learn the basics with, its what i started with. As time went on, this started becoming the only game i was interested in playing.

Now i have track ir, pedals, and am going to by a ch throttle when i can!!

The beauty of this game is that you can play it to what level you want. The problem is you are aware that there are all these nice gadgets about!!!

fruitbat

Choctaw111
02-12-2008, 08:34 AM
Bearcat is right. Just look at all the money I spent just to enjoy Il2 more...it is some of the BEST money I've spent...and my wife doesn't bother me about the money either. In fact she has bought me things to enhance my Il2 experience http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I hope there are plenty of women out there like her for the other Il2 fans out there. Maybe that could be one of the criteria for those dating sites. Must love Il2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jaws2002
02-12-2008, 09:35 AM
Make sure you get the Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 dvd.
all the other versions that are sold out there are included in the 1946 package, so you won't have to upgrade and buy more addons.

On top of Sturmovik 1946 all you need is one patch (4.08m) and you are up to date.

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-12-2008, 09:41 AM
I really good place to start out is www.joint-ops.com (http://www.joint-ops.com) . It's a free online flight school for il2. They make it really fun and you learn a lot, it's geared toward new players but even old vets can learn a lot there. I was flying this game for years before I took the basic flight school from them and still learned a lot. Highly recommended.

Crash_Moses
02-12-2008, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Bearcat is right. Just look at all the money I spent just to enjoy Il2 more...it is some of the BEST money I've spent...and my wife doesn't bother me about the money either. In fact she has bought me things to enhance my Il2 experience http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I hope there are plenty of women out there like her for the other Il2 fans out there. Maybe that could be one of the criteria for those dating sites. Must love Il2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

My wife still gives me dirty looks whenever Fedex shows up at the door but every year she buys me WWII movies and books for Xmas, birthday, whatever.

I don't think she realizes she's just feeding the monster...

Of course, she knows where I am every night too...

TheCrux
02-12-2008, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I really good place to start out is www.joint-ops.com (http://www.joint-ops.com) . It's a free online flight school for il2. They make it really fun and you learn a lot, it's geared toward new players but even old vets can learn a lot there. I was flying this game for years before I took the basic flight school from them and still learned a lot. Highly recommended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heartily agree. I'm a recent Intermediate Pilot School grad working my way up to the advanced courses and I'm seeing that the more I learn, the more I find out how much more there is to learn. Very professional group of instructors and it is fun.

Here's the link to apply: The brand new site updated Feb 10th.

http://www.joint-ops.com/php2/index.php

VF-51-Dart
02-12-2008, 10:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Bearcat is right. Just look at all the money I spent just to enjoy Il2 more...it is some of the BEST money I've spent...and my wife doesn't bother me about the money either. In fact she has bought me things to enhance my Il2 experience http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I hope there are plenty of women out there like her for the other Il2 fans out there. Maybe that could be one of the criteria for those dating sites. Must love Il2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

My wife still gives me dirty looks whenever Fedex shows up at the door but every year she buys me WWII movies and books for Xmas, birthday, whatever.

I don't think she realizes she's just feeding the monster...

Of course, she knows where I am every night too... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DITTO! Our squad has an annual get together for a weekend, and one year my wife dropped off a "care package" to be delivered upstairs to us in our (cough)"conference room". There was a knock at the door, and when we opened it it was a bell boy delivering a bottle of scotch and a box of cigars to all us reprobates! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-12-2008, 10:58 AM
At this very moment I'm watching the road for the brown truck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

TheFamilyMan
02-12-2008, 11:54 AM
I've been doing this for about year, about 3-4 hours a week. I consider my skill as fair, I've yet to get any kills in Hyperlobby (I've yet to get acclimated to its community, the best combat flying is when you are cooperating with team mates; online in private with my flying buddies I've had many kills).

As for learning the fun stuff, i.e. kills, the manual has good advice: start with friendly bombers/transport and then friendly fighters. When that becomes easy, move on to novice AI enemies and work your way up. As for equipment, a trackIR should be required hardware for this sim. Once you've used one you can't live without it (that is if you really get into IL-2). Enjoy!!!

ThomadeusPrime
02-12-2008, 02:31 PM
I think my hardware should be able to handle this, will it?

8800gts 640mb
2g Ram
e6420 duo core

Will this be able to play it well? Also.. I dont know about the IR thing lol.. kind of expensive.

FliegerAas
02-12-2008, 02:47 PM
Yes, most people here have older hardware. My AMD64X2 4400+ with 2Gb and a Ati X1900XTX already handles this Sim without any problems.

Also most people play without trackIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. It gives you an advantage in online fights and adds to the experience of the sim but it is not necessary.

Billy_BigBoy
02-12-2008, 02:57 PM
But you know, mr Bearcat has a very nice mss Bearcat. And that support is very welcome in flightsimming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Like I have a very nice and supporting Billy BigGirl http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-12-2008, 03:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Billy_BigBoy:
But you know, mr Bearcat has a very nice mss Bearcat. And that support is very welcome in flightsimming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Like I have a very nice and supporting Billy BigGirl http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want that support to continue be sure she doesn't see that you called her "BigGirl", lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

strider1
02-12-2008, 04:05 PM
Welcome here, m8.
Another endorsement for Joint-Ops Virtual Flight School here. Aseries of professionally presented, progressive courses that will shorten the learning curve by months. There are also monthly Combat Training exercise sessions where whoever shows up are divided into 2 sides, pick a flight leder and fly a couple of a wide variety of missions. All great, helpful people and great fun. Other seminars on a variety of topics are presented regularly, all are informative and fun.
Like anything else, it takes practice but the satisfaction level makes this the only sim or game on my rig.
Best of luck with your new obsession and Cheers!
Strider1

M_Gunz
02-12-2008, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by emailtommy04:
Hello, Im new to flight sims in general but have played Bf2 and flew extensively. I know Bf2 is very arcadish but it was something lol.

Anyways, I was wondering how long and if it was even possible for a completely new player to grasp the learning curve and do alright on multiplayer dog fights?

I have a microsoft sidewinder 2 and dont plan on purchasing any other expensive equipment, is that good enough?

Thanks in advance! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What you need to learn to fight a majority of those that only learned enough is just a bit more.
What you can learn is more and more about piloting, flight, gunnery and tactics -- in that order.
When you are consistently able to be above or faster just by flying better, the advantage will
go beyond a few tricks. After that you just have to learn patience, a very hard lesson that
often leads to losing the good lessons over the bad ones. It's only your fault if you get
suckered into blowing your speed on useless hard maneuvers.

Make pedals but find instructions that connect a potentiometer to the game port rather than
some Rube Goldberg setup to move joystick innards if you can. At least if you want to save $.

There was just a lot of discussion on the Saitek AV8R as a good cheap stick.

M_Gunz
02-12-2008, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FliegerAas:
Also most people play without trackIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. It gives you an advantage in online fights and adds to the experience of the sim but it is not necessary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OTOH you can get a webcam and use the free head tracking software.

SeaFireLIV
02-12-2008, 06:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by emailtommy04:
Hello, Im new to flight sims in general but have played Bf2 and flew extensively. I know Bf2 is very arcadish but it was something lol.

Anyways, I was wondering how long and if it was even possible for a completely new player to grasp the learning curve and do alright on multiplayer dog fights?

I have a microsoft sidewinder 2 and dont plan on purchasing any other expensive equipment, is that good enough?

Thanks in advance! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm. He needs the truth... or maybe he can`t handle the truth....?

IL2 is NOT BF2 by any stretch of the imagination.

I suppose you could make it a bit like BF2 if you switch almost every difficulty off and fly in WW view.

But seriously, you can`t chuck aircraft around in IL2 like in BF2. Ammo is limited. You need to hit what you`re aiming at. Bullets need to be at a realistic range or convergence to be effective. Aircraft are realistically small and sometimes you`ll not see an aircraft (even with icons) until it`s on top of you.

The learning curve is steep. But once you`re hooked it`ll keep you going WAY longer than BF2 ever could.

A joystick is fine to start with and your MSFF is a good one. You don`t need anything else....

until later...

(cue creepy music) muhahahahHAHAHAAAAAA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

biggs222
02-12-2008, 07:06 PM
i have a sh*tty old Microsoft stick and i used the "Z" and "X" buttons for rudder ( GASPS!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif) and i get along just fine, just ask the poor Blue sods in UK2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ...

i should really go and buy a twist stick tho... but im lazy

ThomadeusPrime
02-12-2008, 07:21 PM
Well I did play the mmo WWIIOL and flew the planes there for a bit, which I think is somewhat similar to Il2. However, I was by no means great lol.. gonna pick this game up soon too though!

VW-IceFire
02-12-2008, 09:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by emailtommy04:
Well I did play the mmo WWIIOL and flew the planes there for a bit, which I think is somewhat similar to Il2. However, I was by no means great lol.. gonna pick this game up soon too though! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Glad to hear it and good luck. Just remember to spend a few hours working yourself up before you jump in and start doing anything more serious. I started playing just a couple of rounds in the quick mission builder (very basic, sets things up really quickly for air to air or ground attack, fast action) for a while before I got more adventurous.

Lots of resources on here that we can point you at once you have questions. Good luck!