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Rjel
02-13-2006, 08:36 PM
On this show last night, I watched Bud Anderson recount his fight with a Bf-109 where he first out climbed the enemy and then getting on his tail, followed him again climbing until he was able to get a killing burst into the 109. As I've heard this story several times before (and I'm not doubting Anderson story in the least), it got me to wondering. Has anyone ever researched this combat to identify the German pilot? By Bud Anderson's own admission, the German was an excellent flyer and most likely very experienced. It would be interesting to know his identity.

Rjel
02-13-2006, 08:36 PM
On this show last night, I watched Bud Anderson recount his fight with a Bf-109 where he first out climbed the enemy and then getting on his tail, followed him again climbing until he was able to get a killing burst into the 109. As I've heard this story several times before (and I'm not doubting Anderson story in the least), it got me to wondering. Has anyone ever researched this combat to identify the German pilot? By Bud Anderson's own admission, the German was an excellent flyer and most likely very experienced. It would be interesting to know his identity.

slo_one23
02-13-2006, 08:40 PM
im thinking u mean the history channel thats where i watched it last night

Rjel
02-13-2006, 08:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo_one23:
im thinking u mean the history channel thats where i watched it last night </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Enforcer572005
02-13-2006, 08:48 PM
yeah, its pretty good, but has caused some heated discussions on here contesting the fact that the P-51D could outperform even the later models of the 109 in all important aspects exept firepower...outclimb, out-turn, outrun, etc, though not always by much. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gifA pretty good indicator of the relative performance of the 2 planes, which is pretty consistant wiht most accounts. I love hearing Anderson tell that.

Yeager has similiar accounts, as had Goodson, Meyer, and alot of others, but andersons was so fully illustrative of the differences, however slight.

Rjel
02-13-2006, 09:14 PM
He seems like an incredible man. I saw another Anderson interview several years ago where he described the dedication of his groundcrew. He had returned from a mission in late fall of 1944. He made an off hand comment to his crew chief that he'd seen snow on the ground while over the continent. At the time his Mustang had OD paint on it. The next morning's mission found his plane with a natural metal finish and his ground crew's hands bloody and rubbed raw from using 100 octane gasoline to strip the paint from his mount. As he told the story, Anderson's voice trailed off and his eyes teared up. Quite a man.

Enforcer572005
02-13-2006, 09:21 PM
yeah, i saw that to. got it on tape somewhere. I highly recomend his book......i think the name of it is "to fly and fight" ....I think. some of the stuff he and yeager did while training in P39s defies reality. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

darkhorizon11
02-14-2006, 12:02 AM
Its interesting you bring that up... Someone mentioned that to him once (sorry I don't have a quote) and he said he had no interest in knowing. He said all he knew was "that he was trying to kill me" and basically that it didn't matter.

I don't think anyones every bothered to check.

jds1978
02-14-2006, 03:53 AM
anderson was flying a P51B for that encounter

Rjel
02-15-2006, 09:51 AM
I've been searching for websites that might show Luftwaffe casualties day by day. I'm looking for one with times of day and the general area they were lost. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-15-2006, 11:21 AM
While I'm a dedicated 'prop-jockey', the best DF account I saw on the History Channel was the F4 Phantom crew that downed 5 in one sortie and barely escaped after their ride was mortally damaged by a SAM.

They rolled repeatedly to maintain their flight direction all the while on fire and ended up going swimming.

Great story


TB

Rjel
02-16-2006, 05:14 PM
This brings me a little closer -

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=3474&highlight=Bud+Anderson

I wonder if the gun cam film from Anderson's plane taken during this fight still exists?

horseback
02-16-2006, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
While I'm a dedicated 'prop-jockey', the best DF account I saw on the History Channel was the F4 Phantom crew that downed 5 in one sortie and barely escaped after their ride was mortally damaged by a SAM.

They rolled repeatedly to maintain their flight direction all the while on fire and ended up going swimming.

Great story

TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, they claimed three on that day, and the pilot was recently disgraced Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham. great story, great feat of arms, yet another proof that physical courage and combat skills do not translate into political integrity or moral courage... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

It's a damned shame, because he was my congressman for a number of years, I knew him when he was running Top Gun for the Navy, and I really liked the guy.

cheers

horseback

Ob.Emann
02-16-2006, 06:59 PM
REP. DUKE CUNNINGHAM WAS THE PILOT!?

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Thats unbeleivable! Thanks for the info horseback, thats very shocking to me. Such bravery and skill exhibited during that famous engagement, only to be marred by decadence and corruption later in life.

Christ, now I wonder if he named his F4 Phantom "the Duke-stir"......