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Bushels
01-01-2007, 07:08 PM
Hey, I was just wondering if you could point me in the right direction for getting a good joystick which isn't too expensive. I've been looking myself but to be honest i dont have a clue lol. A problem i've had also is when i've been looking quiet a lot joysticks tend to be designed for right handers. This is a big problem for me as i'm left handed. Any suggestions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bushels
01-01-2007, 07:08 PM
Hey, I was just wondering if you could point me in the right direction for getting a good joystick which isn't too expensive. I've been looking myself but to be honest i dont have a clue lol. A problem i've had also is when i've been looking quiet a lot joysticks tend to be designed for right handers. This is a big problem for me as i'm left handed. Any suggestions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
01-01-2007, 07:19 PM
I edited the title of your thread to better reflect what you are looking for.... Try here: Saitek Reconditioned Products (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RickRuski
01-01-2007, 09:06 PM
Hi Bushels,
I am currently using a Saitek Cyborg and am very happy with the performance. This can be set up for either right or left hand users by altering the hand rest. The base of this can unclip and be inserted on the reverse side in about 10 seconds.There are two models of this stick and I am using the cordless model.The only disadvantage I find is having to change the battery in the base of the stick when it goes flat, but as I am using rechargeable AA I always have at least 2 backups all the time. The batteries are 1700 ma/hr and give me good flight time. The USB adaptor/Receiver requires no batteries and works of USB supply

SithSpeeder
01-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Bushels--

Welcome to our IL2 universe.

Saitek Cyborg 3D is the only true stick that is truly configurable for left and right handers. However, if you get even the least bit excited while flying, it tends not to last very long.

If price is truly the driver, I'd almost recommend a reconditioned (like Bearcat's link) or used stick (ebay?). Hands On Throttle And Stick (HOTAS) systems are very immersive, but they only exist as "righty" sticks. After several years of going through Cyborgs, I tried a HOTAS and learned to fly with the stick in my right hand and the throttle in my left (took only a couple-three weeks) and have never looked back. YMMV.

It still surprises me that no company has created a left handed HOTAS. I believe it is an untapped market.

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WB_Outlaw
01-01-2007, 10:08 PM
My left handed old many says, "...there ain't no left handed airplanes, why whould there be left handed sims?". The guy who taught him to fly only had one arm so he's not much

Sokol__1
01-02-2007, 02:36 PM
One TRUE left handed HOTAS, not exactly cheapy.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n199/snomhf/hotas.jpg
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3313

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ViktorViktor
01-02-2007, 03:17 PM
Must you fly left-handed ? I'm a lefty, and I fly right-handed (use the mouse right-handed as well). This way my left hand is freed for the keyboard and pushng buttons.

Congratulations on being a lefty, by the way.

RedDeth
01-02-2007, 03:31 PM
ditto what viktor viktor said. flying right handed and right handed mouse is same as left handed really. actually easier if your left handed. you can hold the joystick right handed and use your better coordination on left hand to do other things.
I would be half as effective if i held joystick with left hand and had to use my right hand to fiddle with all kinds of buttons. trust me ...its an advantage being a lefty with a righty stick<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bushels
01-02-2007, 03:46 PM
Thanks for the advice. I decided to go for the Saitek Cyborg Evo so i'm just waiting for it to arrive now along with IL2 1946 which should be 2morrow. I suppose your right about having an advantage its just that with previous experiences with a joystick i found it very awkward on my right.

XyZspineZyX
01-02-2007, 04:01 PM
Buy a Yoke.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Fish44
01-02-2007, 07:53 PM
If youre interested in pursuing this 'flying' hobby, they u gotta get used to a right handed stick. Believe me its not that difficult. All the really good sticks and hotas, are for right handed as it is in the real world. There are no 'left handed' cockpits in the airforce.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TgD Thunderbolt56
01-02-2007, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
One TRUE left handed HOTAS, not exactly cheapy.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n199/snomhf/hotas.jpg
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3313

S!

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got one of these and am extremely happy with it. Not only does it mirror the original right-handed version, but in some regards it's even better.

Prior to that I used a CH FlightStick Pro with the CH Pro Throttle (turned upside down with axis reversed for use in my right hand) and Pro pedals. For prop-sims it worked just fine and was easily the most comfortable JS I'd ever used. It was also about $40USD cheaper than the FighterStick...but it still wasn't a FighterStick.

Obviously price is an issue, but I'd still recommend the FlightStick Pro + Pro pedals over anything else. It'll last forever and provide the same precision and control CH is famous for. You don't need the Throttle though it helps for some of those more obscure settings and you could always add it later.

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Rjel
01-02-2007, 09:07 PM
I always love the "there aren't any left handed cockpits" comments. It's like some people feel as if you're cheating somehow flying with one's dominate hand. The arguement might be valid, but I wonder how many gifted pilots were washed out because they couldn't quite develop the finesse needed to fly using their right hand? I've tried to change too, but I never felt comfortable doing it. I'm certainly not going to change only to be frustrated to the point I lose interest in this game.
If any of you right handers think it's really all that easy, fly for a week using you left hand. You'll have a great time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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The-Pizza-Man
01-02-2007, 10:25 PM
I don't see why flying a right handed hotas setup could be that difficult for a lefty. After all, the vast majority of aircraft are left handed and right handed people learn to fly them.
http://www.airbus.com/store/photolibrary/AIRCRAFT/AIRBUS/COCKPIT/att00006916/media_object_image_lowres_A350cockpit_md.jpg

It's pretty much the same story even if the aircraft has a yoke, your right hand is usually on the throttle quadrant or adjusting the trim during any fine work, ie landing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
01-02-2007, 10:52 PM
It's interesting to see a left handed civi plane. Just imagine if you are a co-pilot, and you are promoted to a pilot, and all of a sudden have to use your opposite hand!

The X-45 stick can be used with either hand, but I go insane trying to control it with my non-dominant hand, while using a tailgun, for example. It can't be an easy adjustment to make.

It might be fine for a modern airliner, where the plane could just as easily fly itself for the whole route, and cockpit symmetry is important. I wonder if there are any left handed F-16s or F-22s.

The-Pizza-Man
01-02-2007, 11:22 PM
http://www.cirrusdesign.com/aircraft/gallery/interior/ivory-1.jpg
http://www.cirrusdesign.com/aircraft/gallery/wallpaper/wp05-1.jpg

Light aircraft are adopting that setup as well. They are also getting glass cockpits as you can see.

I doubt that there are any left handed F-16s or F-22s. However, that's not really a good arguement as they use FBW just like the airbus and are probably easier to fly on account of them being smaller aircraft.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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