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eyevann
07-07-2004, 04:09 PM
I was flying last night on War Clouds 44+ server in a Spitfire. I was trailing a P-63 that was trailing a Bf 109 The P-63 and I were both on the same team (Allies). The 109 driver was turning and burning to avoid the P-63's fire and when a shot opened over the P-63 shoulder, I took it. The P-63 right wing tip popped up just as I fired taking out his aileron. He fired simultaneously taking out the 109. He bailed and the plane, a friendly, crashed. I apologized and flew on eventually stalking another 109. I let loose at his six and saw the explosion and heavy smoke trail as he started a spiral down to the right. I waited for the kill confirm and it never came. Did my errant destruction of the friendly negate the enemy kill?

eyevann
07-07-2004, 04:09 PM
I was flying last night on War Clouds 44+ server in a Spitfire. I was trailing a P-63 that was trailing a Bf 109 The P-63 and I were both on the same team (Allies). The 109 driver was turning and burning to avoid the P-63's fire and when a shot opened over the P-63 shoulder, I took it. The P-63 right wing tip popped up just as I fired taking out his aileron. He fired simultaneously taking out the 109. He bailed and the plane, a friendly, crashed. I apologized and flew on eventually stalking another 109. I let loose at his six and saw the explosion and heavy smoke trail as he started a spiral down to the right. I waited for the kill confirm and it never came. Did my errant destruction of the friendly negate the enemy kill?

Flygflottilj16_Sulan
07-07-2004, 04:19 PM
It is not because you shot the friendly, its because the game sometimes "forgets" to count a kill.
Or it could be that someone else got the last shot as he spiraled down...

Sandman_UK
07-07-2004, 05:14 PM
it seems that if the aknowledgement comes up in the text along the top saying "Blah kills Blah" and you dont get the "Aircraft destroyed" in blue letters to the bottom right, then the kill will not register. But you say you shot a freindly and a enemy and landed. Well you would get -100 for the freindly kill (i think) and then +100 for the enemy kill and so end up with 0!

3.JG51_Stecher
07-07-2004, 05:56 PM
No, your friendly kill did not negate your enemy kill. At least not one for one. For single engine aircraft, a friendly kill is -300 and an enemy kill is +100, provided you land safely. Were these the only two kills during this mission? Do you remember your exact score before and after it?

The automatic scoring system in this game has always been messed up, at least online. There doesn't really seem to even be a pattern to the errors. Sometimes it will give both the primary and secondary message and still not count the points. Sometimes it will give you the secondary message only, and record points for a kill when a plane lands safely at its base with full functions, just because you put a couple rounds into it. Sometimes it will count pending points when a mission changes on a scripted server, and sometimes it forgets them. Some nights, scoring is as bad as 50/50. Just don't put too much credence in the scoring system, because it will let you down.

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PF_Coastie
07-07-2004, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eyevann:
when a shot opened over the P-63 shoulder, I took it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bad form bud! Some people would respawn and shoot you down for this.

Next time, go high and cover his six. If he doesnt get the job done and runs out of ammo, then take your shot.

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WTE_Galway
07-07-2004, 07:09 PM
online scoring is fairly meaningless even when it works

friendly kills from collisions usually get allocated to the wrong aircraft

and the points for torpedoing a couple of boats on the online maps can be disproportionately high consdiering the ease of doing it

Monty_Thrud
07-07-2004, 07:12 PM
Yeah its all a bit haywire, i've just come off Warclouds where i got no points for my first kill, then did for the next four, then in a furball took two more, but whilst shooting at enemy who was chasing friendly i must of hit the friendly , not bad enough to down him he got back to base, crashed on landing, the message came up that i'd shot him down and i lost 100 points and didnt get any for the enemy i'd shot downhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif.
In the same game i'd got hit, so i returned to base landed fine on runway, clicked esc and refly and the message came up Monty_Thrud has been shot down by XXXX http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif...its been like this for quite some time, you're best just flying for the thrill of the kill and not for the points, theres many more times this and other anomalies like this happen then sometimes it just seems to behave...maybe its just impatient waiting for the patch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif...nudge nudge..wink wink http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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07-07-2004, 07:22 PM
Yep, its better to know you have the kill than relying on points. Caring about your points will ruin you mood of gameplay, you know you got the kill, thats all that matters.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Sandman_UK
07-08-2004, 03:19 AM
surely there is some better method than just points? has this been discudded before? would love to have some kind of kill markings, not on the plane as you could run out of space but maybe a revised score sheet, so when you press "S" you see how many kills you got and not points!

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Monson74
07-08-2004, 06:27 AM
As mentioned above there's no point in paying too much attention to the score - just fly. I've seen this way too often too that I get credit for an enemy who just landed safely or discredited for a wingy that I accidently hit. Therefore I believe you can divide your kills/deaths stats by 2 & get a pretty fair figure. I went to Greatergreens stats page shortly after I registered & was stunned to see how "successful" I had been. Only half of them were actual kills & I know for sure because I hadn't played that much yet.

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Venom079
07-08-2004, 07:58 AM
points mean nothing to me...it's all about helping your buds out when you can and being patient(which is tough)for a kill. RL immersion is what matters to mehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Orheim
07-08-2004, 08:22 AM
Please, never ever shoulder shoot a teammate, just cover his 6 until it's clear

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Monson74
07-08-2004, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
Please, never ever shoulder shoot a teammate, just cover his 6 until it's clear
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True - tricky thing is killing a bad guy who is really close behind your buddy without hitting him. You really need to check the "angle of attack" lol. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Venom079
07-08-2004, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monson74:
True - tricky thing is killing a bad guy who is really close behind your buddy without hitting him. You really need to check the "angle of attack" lol. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Yep, this is where deflection skills are key as well as a good bounce on your target!

Monson74
07-08-2004, 11:24 AM
This game could be a lot more fun if more people would work together. A good pilot is a pilot who keeps track of his wingies & don't just gaze through the reflector all the time.

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Venom079
07-08-2004, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monson74:
This game could be a lot more fun if more people would work together. A good pilot is a pilot who keeps track of his wingies & don't just gaze through the reflector all the time.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Totally agree mate! This game requires LOTS of your time and patience which I think alot of people just don't want to have...firewalling it from takeoff and flying straight to target area and not taking time to set up or join up with another wing. It sux, but nothing is perfect...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Flying_Merkava
07-08-2004, 01:37 PM
Yea when a teamate is on someones 6 why swoop in and make things harder. Just hover over and wait to see if he can do the job or if other e comes by.

F19_Orheim
07-08-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monson74:

True - tricky thing is killing a bad guy who is really close behind your buddy without hitting him. You really need to check the "angle of attack" lol. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!
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So true, but I was rather referring to flying behind a teammate who is chasing an enemy, and shoot "over his shoulder" to get a score for yourself. This happens oh so often online and too often these guys "accidently" hit the teammate he is "shouldershooting".

Beeing too greedy often hit you back in the face giving you minus score for killing a teammmate, and a pi$$ed teammate for killing him and "stealing a sure kill"...

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easymo
07-08-2004, 01:56 PM
"RL immersion is what matters to me"

Thats odd. In real life, we know the exact score of a lot of WWII pilots. And, they are very proud of them.

Venom079
07-08-2004, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by easymo:
"RL immersion is what matters to me"

Thats odd. In real life, we know the exact score of a lot of WWII pilots. And, they are very proud of them.
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I would rather have "kills" than points online. WWII fighter pilots didn't get 100/200 points per kill, it was considered 1 kill...right? That's all i'm sayinghttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

easymo
07-08-2004, 06:36 PM
Depended on the country. Some countries had probables, ground kills/air to air kills, partial kills. In some ways they where more complicated then this game.

easymo
07-08-2004, 06:38 PM
BTW. I agree. The online scoreing system is a bad joke.

Apparath
07-09-2004, 04:32 AM
In dogfights the scores should be replaced with kills which get zeroed when the pilot dies. This way we could get more careful pilots there watching their back.