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MichaelMar
01-18-2005, 03:57 PM
Why, mainly because I really believe that there might not be many more patches to come. Also, I as many Italian players had been waiting for a LONG time for a game, with high hopes for IL2, that would give the Italians something to play other then those darn Germans and their planes.

Seems like most games and now IL2 misrepresent the Italian part as an AXIS do to some minor support role and in the process toss us the **** planes...42 and Fiat G50.

Sure many of community will not complain for they have the planes of choice to play along with the country...blaa.

Will there be a Machi 202, 200 or even 205...I now serious dought it. If any new FM are patched/add-ons I bet they will be MORE German, Jap and USA models.

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-18-2005, 04:05 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/games/combatfs3/

Try that as your alternate WW2 sim. Then tell us again why your so upset.

VW-IceFire
01-18-2005, 04:05 PM
This sounds like it has nothing to do with the patch.

Firstly, I understand your interest and your desire to see some aircraft from Italy represented. I'm still waiting for a few aircraft to be represented that I'd like to see but paitence is certainly required. I've been waiting nearly 2 and a half years to fly a Tempest V in this game. I'll wait another 2 and a half years if it means that I'll get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And thats the next point that I'm about to make. The Italian's haven't been forgotten by the development team and I'll tell you for two reasons why:

1) Battle of Britain is set to include a number of Italian planes from that year that apparently served (I've never heard of this) on the channel front for some period of time. They actually launched attacks on England during the Battle of Britain. I never knew this but the development team apparently did and wasn't affraid to build some Italian planes...I'm willing to bet that they will be flyables.

2) Oleg has said time and again that the Mediteranian would be the next theater after the Battle of Britain (really BOB is a sideshow development for the main thrust into this theater). I'd be highly surprised if you don't get a bunch of MC.202's and the like in this product.

It may take a couple of years but if I'm willing to wait, hopefully you can to.

crazyivan1970
01-18-2005, 04:10 PM
I remember Oleg was saying, that after his team will be done with it, group of talented and trusted 3d party modellers will continue addition of aircraft, objects, maps...etc to IL2 series. I am not sure if it`s set in stone... but that was one of the options, because alot of 3rd party AC is still in development.

Havok, be nice to people http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HelSqnProtos
01-18-2005, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/combatfs3/

Try that as your alternate WW2 sim. Then tell us again why your so upset. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sick of seeing this kind of ghey response. If you don't like whats posted here. YOU go to to cfs.People bought the game and have every right to voice their opinion without being told by some blowhard to go to another sim. MM I would love to see you get your birds. I am of Greek descent and cant wait to fly against Italian squads in this Theatre. Be patient my friend. Goodness will come to us.

Slammin_
01-18-2005, 10:04 PM
Sheeze...

I wanna fly the Space Shuttle!

Acme70
01-18-2005, 10:23 PM
I feel cheated also, If some of these planes (G4M Betty for example) were supposed to be in the retail version of the game then obviously their finished, Then why have'nt we gotten them yet?, This is a legitimate question. BTW i'm tired of people bringing CFS3 into the mix, I sold back CFS3 because i did'nt care for it but i have no problem with someone else who happens to like it, Thats their preference.

geetarman
01-18-2005, 10:37 PM
Surprised at Havok's response? Ever flown in a server with the 214 group (particularly their own)? You wouldn't be.

Catandra
01-18-2005, 11:06 PM
I'm foamin' at the mouth 'cause they didn't include the Klingon Bird of Prey!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Blackdog5555
01-18-2005, 11:46 PM
I thought this was the Pacific Fighter Forum. ...I dont think the Machi 202 made in the PTO. Mama Mia. LOL. The BoB will have better FM engine so its better to wait. Cheers Paisano.

chris455
01-19-2005, 12:10 AM
I do see the man's point, although I have to admit that even though the Folgore and Saggitario are missing, no other air force in FB fields so elegant a ride as the CR-42.

Count your blessings, my Italian friend. There are said to be some "surprises" on the horizon.
Maybe the Folgore is one of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MiamiEagle
01-19-2005, 12:43 AM
MachaelMar I share your feeling for a long time. Every time I looked for a new World war two flight Simulator it was base on the Western Front and the Bombing campaign.
I too am tired of fighting the same enemy. How many times can you shoot down the same planes. The bf109 and the fw190. Be patient because I beleive that the Battle of Britain will include the Meditaranean Theater. It only makes sense. There has just been to many Simulators dedicated to that period of air History.If they do not do it that way perhap they will shooting themself on the foot. I hope it include the Meditaranean theater up to operation Torch November, 1942.

Now lets enjoy the Pacific Theater. It also has also been under represented.Lets just hope Oleg Finish this Simulator with everthing that was promise when we bought it.

My only Subjestion that I can give to you is for you to Buy Combat Flight Simulator 2. add the large number of Italian planes addon available for it and build you own mission and campaigns thruogh its mission builder.

Its a very good simulator in own account. Of course when Oleg developes the Med Simulator you will have probably a better Simulator. But in the mean time you can do this.
You can get the addons for CFS2 at this Web.

http://www.isoliti4gatti.com/

Check it out. But do not forget that the Pacific theater is also a Fantastic thearter as well.In my opinion you can play both games and you can Love them both.

I highly do not recommend for you to Buy Combat Simulator 3. If you are tire of Fighting the Germans or fighting for them. This is not your Simulator.

I love the Me109 and the Luftwaffe but we need break from the same.

Miamieagle

-HH-Quazi
01-19-2005, 01:02 AM
Stop whinning and scratch your ******. It will give you something else to think about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

woofiedog
01-19-2005, 01:05 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif VMF-214_HaVoK!
Again... Not a single word about all the effort and time that Oleg and Team has spent making corrections or changes for the Game or on what New Additions we allready have recieved.
Instead all there is posted is... I didn't get what I want again.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

WOLFMondo
01-19-2005, 02:31 AM
Bah! No one said the patch released yesterday would be the last patch. Oleg said the content missing from PF will come as well as some other stuff for the merged install people and its still not 3 weeks since he said...'3 weeks'.

Oleg always delivers. He's not let us down yet.

HotelBushranger
01-19-2005, 05:15 AM
Amen to that. Good things come to those who wait.

Thats why I'm waiting for the Mediterranean TO. As long as its not just RAF vs Italy, lots of natians are needed cough RAAF cough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Frankyboy
01-19-2005, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
...............................
1) Battle of Britain is set to include a number of Italian planes from that year that apparently served (I've never heard of this) on the channel front for some period of time. They actually launched attacks on England during the Battle of Britain. I never knew this but the development team apparently did and wasn't affraid to build some Italian planes...I'm willing to bet that they will be flyables.

............................. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif , brave , but froozen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , men . and lucky too, read the part about finding projectiles in the parachute http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CKY_86
01-19-2005, 05:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
This sounds like it has nothing to do with the patch.

Firstly, I understand your interest and your desire to see some aircraft from Italy represented. I'm still waiting for a few aircraft to be represented that I'd like to see but paitence is certainly required. I've been waiting nearly 2 and a half years to fly a Tempest V in this game. I'll wait another 2 and a half years if it means that I'll get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And thats the next point that I'm about to make. The Italian's haven't been forgotten by the development team and I'll tell you for two reasons why:

1) Battle of Britain is set to include a number of Italian planes from that year that apparently served (I've never heard of this) on the channel front for some period of time. They actually launched attacks on England during the Battle of Britain. I never knew this but the development team apparently did and wasn't affraid to build some Italian planes...I'm willing to bet that they will be flyables.

2) Oleg has said time and again that the Mediteranian would be the next theater after the Battle of Britain (really BOB is a sideshow development for the main thrust into this theater). I'd be highly surprised if you don't get a bunch of MC.202's and the like in this product.

It may take a couple of years but if I'm willing to wait, hopefully you can to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the italians did attack britain during the battle of britain from what i read they attack on a day in november 1940, they flew from italy to france, refulled at one of the luftwaffes front line airfields then flew up the thames eastery to attack london, the attacking force were serverlly malled by the aaa batterys, protecting the eastery so they droped there bombs in the eastery & ran for france while on the way back they were attacked by spits & hurries
dont quote me on this its just what ive read

you beat me to it frankyboy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, in the text in the link it says the 109f was used but the f came out in 1941 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/8905/bf110sig1yb.jpg

VF101_Sgt.Snif
01-19-2005, 06:01 AM
Did I heared right?!?!?!?!
Meditarainien!?!?!?!?!?
OMG!!!!!!
Does that means the battle between the Israelis and the Egyptiens and all that things??!?!?!?
Cos I am from Israel, and, I can't wait to play a real Oleg Israeli campaign!

sapre
01-19-2005, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/combatfs3/

Try that as your alternate WW2 sim. Then tell us again why your so upset. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sick of seeing this kind of ghey response. If you don't like whats posted here. YOU go to to cfs.People bought the game and have every right to voice their opinion without being told by some blowhard to go to another sim. MM I would love to see you get your birds. I am of Greek descent and cant wait to fly against Italian squads in this Theatre. Be patient my friend. Goodness will come to us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly these blowhards olso has the same right to express their opinion, even If that means "how dare you criticise this sim you microsoft believer" bullcrap.

JG53Frankyboy
01-19-2005, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CKY_86:

the italians did attack britain during the battle of britain from what i read they attack on a day in november 1940, they flew from italy to france, refulled at one of the luftwaffes front line airfields then flew up the thames eastery to attack london, the attacking force were serverlly malled by the aaa batterys, protecting the eastery so they droped there bombs in the eastery & ran for france while on the way back they were attacked by spits & hurries
dont quote me on this its just what ive read

you beat me to it frankyboy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, in the text in the link it says the 109f was used but the f came out in 1941 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/8905/bf110sig1yb.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the text may have some mistakes, nevertheless‚¬ī, its a very interesting read, isnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

about Bf109F , in general you are correct. its more ore less a 1941 pane.
BUT , the Stab/JG51 got its first Bf109F-0 beginning october 1940 ! M√¬∂lders claimed his first kill in it at october 11 .
also the I./JG51 received some Bf109F-1 at the end of october. the first Friedrich loss was at November 11 , CO of 1./JG51 was shoot down over england.

sure , after that the LW found the Friedrich has still ot of structural proplems - and it took some r‚¬ītime again till the first realy combat ready Friedrichs reached the frontline units.
JG53 for example got its F-1/-2 in february/march 1941

DarthBane_
01-19-2005, 06:29 AM
Stinking radeons and corsairs, i dont use any of these, patch is for ati buyers and allied pilots, can i asume that next patch is for nvidia and axis side?

ednavar
01-19-2005, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CKY_86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the italians did attack britain during the battle of britain from what i read they attack on a day in november 1940, they flew from italy to france, refulled at one of the luftwaffes front line airfields then flew up the thames eastery to attack london, the attacking force were serverlly malled by the aaa batterys, protecting the eastery so they droped there bombs in the eastery & ran for france while on the way back they were attacked by spits & hurries
dont quote me on this its just what ive read

you beat me to it frankyboy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, in the text in the link it says the 109f was used but the f came out in 1941 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/8905/bf110sig1yb.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a quick information I have found googling around. Italian commitment was significant although ineffective. I've got more references at home but they are in italian: I'll try to summarize them later.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Italy: Transfer of Italian aircraft to German occupied territory.
36 CR42 Fighters and 36 G50 Fighters are being transferred as complete units (2 Gruppos) to Melsbrouck on the Western Front.
72 BR20 Bombers and 5 Cant1007 Bombers are also being transferred and a number of transport aircraft are to accompany them.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/september25.html
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

S!

LEXX_Luthor
01-19-2005, 07:58 AM
MichaelMar, change thread title to "Where Are Italian Planes?"

The *real* simmers who want Italian planes and all other nation planes ignore threads like "upset with patch" (they are all the same)....but will pay attention to "italian" thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks.

Aeronautico
01-19-2005, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:

I thought this was the Pacific Fighter Forum. ...I dont think the Machi 202 made in the PTO. Mama Mia. LOL. The BoB will have better FM engine so its better to wait. Cheers Paisano. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you realise how better and polite your post would feel if you just left those misspelled supposed-to-be-Italian comments out of it?

LEXX_Luthor
01-19-2005, 08:30 AM
MC~202 Development thread at netwing...

~> http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1339.html


Yep, change thread title here..

GerritJ9
01-19-2005, 08:55 AM
My father lived in Vlissingen during the early part of the war, and he distinctly remembered some Italian aircraft (fighters) being briefly based at the airfield at Souburg in late 1940.

GerritJ9
01-19-2005, 08:57 AM
I am NOT disappointed with the patch- the main thing is that the F2A-2's speed has been corrected (just downloaded it, will install in a few minutes). Buffs rule!

269GA-Veltro
01-19-2005, 09:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
I thought this was the Pacific Fighter Forum. ...I dont think the Machi 202 made in the PTO. Mama Mia. LOL. The BoB will have better FM engine so its better to wait. Cheers Paisano. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you're right...

We don't have italian maps but we have P80 who flew in Italy.

Cheers.

269GA-Veltro
01-19-2005, 09:16 AM
P.S.: MichaelMar se sei italiano porta pazienza e non fare di questi post perch√¬® servono solo a fare incavolare Oleg.

Si sta lavorando agli aerei italiani:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1339.html

P.S.: Thank http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

269GA-Veltro
01-19-2005, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:

I thought this was the Pacific Fighter Forum. ...I dont think the Machi 202 made in the PTO. _Mama Mia_. LOL. The BoB will have better FM engine so its better to wait. Cheers _Paisano_. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you realise how better and polite your post would feel if you just left those misspelled supposed-to-be-Italian comments out of it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't worry AERO...if Oleg will accept our models and cockpit, we'll answer to these i...t comments in the virtual sky..not here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DuxCorvan
01-19-2005, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:

I thought this was the Pacific Fighter Forum. ...I dont think the Machi 202 made in the PTO. _Mama Mia_. LOL. The BoB will have better FM engine so its better to wait. Cheers _Paisano_. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you realise how better and polite your post would feel if you just left those misspelled supposed-to-be-Italian comments out of it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I thought this was a sim forum, not a 'common place' forum. What's next? French saying 'oh la la', Spaniards shouting 'olé', or British sipping tea? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Mamma mia???" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

No comment... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

DuxCorvan
01-19-2005, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Don't worry AERO...if Oleg will accept our models and cockpit, we'll answer to these i...t comments in the virtual sky..not here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ecco la mia speranza. Pronto lui vedremo, io spero. Mi perdoni il mio italiano orrendo...

No601_prangster
01-19-2005, 04:00 PM
There nothing wrong with sipping tea Dux it won us the war! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif