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blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 07:48 AM
My good buddy jensenpark invited my wife and I down for lunch at the Trenton RCAF Museum to meet an 86 year old Canadian Hurricane/ Spitfire veteran Col. Cy Yarnell. Cy is still sharp as a tack with a great sense of humour and as this thread unfolds jensenpark and I will recount some of his wartime exploits. I should mention that jensepark is involved in fund raising for the museum and the Halifax restoration. There are only two other Halifax bombers in the world. The Canadian one will be non-flyable when complete.

Cy is heavily involved in fund raising for the RCAF Museum. A group at the museum is involved in the restoration of Halifax bomber which was recovered from a fiord in Norway from a depth of over 500 feet. The ac ditch there after taking a 20mm shell in the wing. Although the crew successfully ditched only the wounded tail gunner survived when he was placed on an overturned liferaft while the others tried to swim to shore, only 250 yards away. The swimmers all perished from the extreme cold and the tail gunner was found alive next day and now lives in England.

After a entertaining lunch with Cy, he took us over to the museum where we met some of the restoration group headed by Lt. Col Bill Tytula
Also present were a former Halifax pilot Lloyd Wright, a retired engineer, and Al Kolrush who was ground crew for a Halifax squadron. What a bunch of fine guys they were. Humorous and charming. They spent a good couple of hours with us showing us all their machinery, jigs they had built, where they got engines, how the aircraft was recovered and telling us stories about their wartime exploits. If Oleg ever wants to model a Halifax for the game, they have a wealth of books, manuals and people who were involved in flying and servicing them.

Although the area where the Halifax is being restored is out of bounds to the public and can only be seen through glass windows, we were permitted in to the secure area. The Halifax is housed in extension to the museum currently under construction. It is a massive area since it has to accomodate an aircraft whose nose stands 22 feet above the ground.

Here are some of the pictures we took.



http://img113.exs.cx/img113/9359/halifax15ko.jpg

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/9359/halifax15ko.jpg

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/1299/halifax39sx.jpg


jensenpark with his new 303's


http://img126.exs.cx/img126/9729/303machinegun9zb.jpg

The guy on the left is Lloyd Wright, Halifax bomber pilot. The other is Al Kolrush, ground crew

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Here is Col. Cy Yarnell posing beside a Spit 1X. He flew Spit V, V111, 1X and XV1


http://img126.exs.cx/img126/259/cywithspit1x6zz.jpg

Cy with Hurricane

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/6726/cywithhurricane4fb.jpg

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/8612/restorationgroup0ll.jpg

This is my wife Helen and not my daughter!!!!!


http://img126.exs.cx/img126/855/helenwithspit1x2fw.jpg

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/5939/hercules1rx.jpg

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/4715/f5freedomfighter2dr.jpg


This is a picture of the author blairgowrie and not his father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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http://img126.exs.cx/img126/7222/sabref866ef.jpg

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/7259/swissvstol9yl.jpg

Oh mah GAWD!!! I have just realised my wife is standing in front of a Widowmaker.



http://img126.exs.cx/img126/7286/widowmaker2lc.jpg

Woof603
01-18-2005, 07:56 AM
Very interesting and great pics, Blairgowrie. Did you happen to get any close ups of the CF100 in the background of pic #12? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
01-18-2005, 08:01 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

halifax had not 1 bomb bay
it had 3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

its good there making it for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 08:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Woof603:
Very interesting and great pics, Blairgowrie. Did you happen to get any close ups of the CF100 in the background of pic #12? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have one other pic of the CF 100 taken from a different angle. I will post it later. It was a bitterly cold day so we had to run around snapping quickly. I also have some other pics of close up views of the Halifax which seem to have disappeared. I'll post them as well.


Anyone know what the Suisse VSTOL is?

jensenpark
01-18-2005, 08:28 AM
Thanks BG...
Your pics turned out great.
I'll get my pics up once I get home from work.

WOLFMondo
01-18-2005, 08:31 AM
Wow! I'd love to see one of those fly.

Is that Hurricane and Spitfire both fibreglass replicas?

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 08:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Wow! I'd love to see one of those fly.

Is that Hurricane and Spitfire both fibreglass replicas? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi WOLF,

The Hurricane is real and came from the UK. The Spit is a fibreglass replica. Knew anyone who has an original used Spitfire for sale?

NORAD_Zooly10
01-18-2005, 10:10 AM
http://www.yorkshireairmuseum.co.uk/collections/aircraft/wwII_%20aircraft_info.asp?id=11
they are hoping to get this one in the air in the near future, (Elvington, North Yorkshire, England) this was a RCAF bomber base in WW2. its well worth a visit and they also put on an airshow (august i think), last year there was the B17 (Sally b), Lancaster (City of Lincoln) and the Halifax ( Friday the 13th) all in one place (a sight to behold).
~S~
Zooly

jensenpark
01-18-2005, 10:13 AM
Col. Yarnell had a good story for you P47 drivers:

He had taken off and was climbing in his Spit 1X and sensed something behind him. Looked back and it was 'this enormous, beautiful American P47'. They wagged wings at eachother and gradually Yarnell drew away a bit. When his charger kicked in he drew away very fast and wagged his wings goodbye.
Bit later around 27,000 the P47 literally zooms by him and waggles his wings at him while he zips away. "Nothing could catch them"

bun-bun195333
01-18-2005, 10:17 AM
Excellent pictures - thanks guys

WOLFMondo
01-18-2005, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blairgowrie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Wow! I'd love to see one of those fly.

Is that Hurricane and Spitfire both fibreglass replicas? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi WOLF,

The Hurricane is real and came from the UK. The Spit is a fibreglass replica. Knew anyone who has an original used Spitfire for sale? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh...I thought it was the other way round. Are they going to put the Hurricane in that new hanger? I always hate to see real warbirds outside in the elements, especially rare ones like Hurricanes.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Cold_Gambler
01-18-2005, 11:20 AM
Nice pictures Blair, thanks for sharing ...

Quote: "Oh mah GAWD!!! I have just realised my wife is standing in front of a Widowmaker."
LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

altstiff
01-18-2005, 11:32 AM
Hey Blair, I was down that way in 2003 going from my home in Toronto to the Grand Prix in Montreal and stopped in to see the old girl.

Wow they have got alot of work done since then!

I plunked down a few buck and bought a Halifax T shirt.

Thanks for sharing!

jensenpark
01-18-2005, 12:00 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000543.jpg

BlairGowrie with Lloyd Wright in front of NA337€s propeller. Lloyd flew many missions over Germany, piloting the Halifax €œVictorious Virgin€. For those who don€t know BG, he€s the younger guy on the left (though not much younger€¦he he!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000545.jpg

BlairGowrie with Col. Cy Yarnell and me (alias Jensenpark) on the right with the Spit 1X
in Trenton.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000532.jpg

Self explanatory

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000531.jpg

BG holding on of the recovered .303€s from the NA337. Anyone who has ever commented they thought our game€s .303 is undermodeled has never held one of these. I€m now amazed how anyone brought down anything with these peashooters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000526.jpg

Col. Cy Yarnell with my two boys Jensen (right) and Parker (left)€¦hence the name Jensenpark€¦when I dropped the boys off this morning at pre-school they ran and told everyone how they met a Spitfire pilot! Like father, like son. Col. Yarnell was walking back with us to the museum from the outdoor airpark in -20 weather, and the next thing I see is Parker, the youngest, reach up and grab his hand. They walked back all the way to the museum this way. I hope that he forever remembers meeting this hero. I know I will.

-HH-Dubbo
01-18-2005, 12:21 PM
Excellent stuff guys. Thanks for sharing

GT182
01-18-2005, 12:37 PM
Jensenpark, is the museum in Ottawa? Great pics mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'll have to try and get up that way and see it all. I'm just across from Cornwall and 15 miles east in NY.

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 12:41 PM
Just came across a couple of more pics including the CF100.

http://img122.exs.cx/img122/516/halifax28zr.jpg


http://img122.exs.cx/img122/4281/cf1009rg.jpg

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 12:44 PM
The museum is located at Trenton, Ont which is about halfway between Kingston and Toronto. It is just off the 401 highway and easy to find.

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 12:57 PM
A few more snatches of our conversation with Col. Yarnell.



Q. What did you think about the BF 109's and FW 190's?


A. First class aircraft and great pilots.


Q. What models did you fly against?


A. Can't tell you the types. All we saw were bloody great big crosses.


Q. How did you regard the p-51?


A. Fantastic aircraft. First they built a cockpit and then the plane around it. The Spit was built from the outside in and then they cut a little hole in it so the pilot could get in.


Q. Did you ever shoot anyone down?

A. Yes, I had one confirmed FW 190. Chased him all the way down to the deck from 20,000 feet before I got him. Also had one probable and one damaged.

madsarmy
01-18-2005, 01:46 PM
Fantasic! Thank's for posting.

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 02:24 PM
I asked Lloyd Wright, the Halifax vet pilot if the top speed of his aircraft was somewhere in the region of 270mph.

His answer. "Maybe in a dive with a tailwind". More like 170mph".

What a classy gent he is. He works nearly every day, making parts for the Halifax.

Secudus2004
01-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Wonderful pictures, many thanks for sharing this blairgowrie...

The Halibag has always been a favorite of mine, probably because she is the unsung workhorse of the War! The Lancaster got all the limelight and is stuck firmly in people€s minds, when it comes to British Bombers. Don't get me wrong though, the Lancaster was a very charismatic and capable bird as her history shows. Its a great shame that more of the Halifax's (And the Stirling's) War work was also known!

I have something that I have been putting together that I will post as soon as I can€¦ It€s concerns Bomber Commands view of L.M.F. its affects.

Once again thankyou for sharing€¦

Regards

Sec.

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 04:49 PM
Thank you Secundus2004. It is indeed an honour to have you post on this thread. I have always enjoyed reading your stuff.

I am learning a lot about the Halifax lately. My wife's father flew a Halifax from Nov 1944 until the end of hostilities and I am in the process of reading his log book.

On Sunday I found out that the Halibag was built to the same spec issued in 1936 as the Lancaster. They both started out as twin engine aircraft and were meant to receive a new Rolls Royce engine. The twin engined version from Avro was the Manchester but when they tried the new RR engines they were not suitable. So they went with 4 RR Merlins. It worked with the Lancaster but the Halifax had multiple crashes from under carriage failure and that's when they decided to substitute a radial engine, the Bristol Hercules.

The guys I met with joked that the Brits stuck with Lanc and shipped the Halifax off to their Commonwealth cousins. Not sure if there is any truth in that statement.

Look forward to your post on the Bomber Command views on L.M.F.

Secudus2004
01-18-2005, 05:02 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/Halibag02.jpg

I am humbled by your praise Sir...

"My wife's father flew a Halifax from Nov 1944 until the end of hostilities and I am in the process of reading his log book."

And Envious... Very!

blairgowrie
01-18-2005, 05:33 PM
Love that pic Secundus!

One of the entries in his logbook states that they took a "cookie" through the starboard wing. I thought it might be a AA shell but when I asked Lloyd Wright about it, he said it was a bomb. He went on to say that this was fairly common during bomb raids. A higher flying aircraft would sometimes drop a bomb on the aircraft flying beneath it. If you were lucky, it didn't explode!

p1ngu666
01-18-2005, 07:32 PM
did he say a cookie was 4000lbs?

thats the SMALLEST, also came in 8,000 and 12,000lb size http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

the movie term blockbuster comes from those bombs.

and yeah canadians in particular flew halibags more, but lancs did more dangous raids...

jensenpark
01-18-2005, 08:21 PM
Few more pics€¦

shot from right below

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000539.jpg

lower nose I believe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000530.jpg

engine cowling

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000528.jpg

self explanitory

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000541.jpg

Link trainer from the RCAF museum€¦not high tech but pretty amazing for the time€¦

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000547.jpg

as you can see, BG has a better camera than me€¦ LOL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/jensenpark/IM000533.jpg

-HH- Beebop
01-18-2005, 11:39 PM
Excellent stuff blairgowrie.
Thanks for sharing. How fortunate for you to have met real WWII aviators. There are so few left.
Interesting comments on the Mustang and the Sptifire: "First they built a cockpit and then the plane around it. The Spit was built from the outside in and then they cut a little hole in it so the pilot could get in."

Thanks for adding all those little bits that brought your experience to life for the rest of us.

blairgowrie
01-19-2005, 05:35 AM
Thanks for your kind words -HH- Beebop. Yes, it was a honour for us to meet these vets and to have their undivided attention all afternoon. And they were obviously all good friends with constant bantering back and forth. I just wish I had asked more questions or remembered more of their stories and quotes.

Our Saturday night group is really looking forward to flying with you and the other Hellhounds.

Heavy_Weather
01-19-2005, 07:07 AM
thanks for sharing all those wonderful pics Blair, very nice sir. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

blairgowrie
01-19-2005, 08:36 AM
Thanks Heavy_Weather but it is jensenpark who deserves the credit for this thread. He organised the visit, had the contact with Col. Yarnell. I just went along as a scribe and to make jensenpark look younger than me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T_O_A_D
01-19-2005, 09:06 AM
Great stuff!

Just make me green with envy though.

Go ahead and make me suffer more by posting more of it please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

jensenpark
01-19-2005, 09:35 AM
What I can't figure out is how Col. Yarnell has a fuller head of hair than either me or BG.

I mean he's 46 years older than me, and 30 some-odd years older than BG...and he had the stress of flying 100 plus fighter missions - and being married for 62 years as well!

We're doing something wrong BG!

altstiff
01-19-2005, 10:05 AM
At the CWH in Hamilton you can sit in a CF-100 that is on static display.

Not to mention see the Lanc!

Neat pics, keep them coming.

Taylortony
01-19-2005, 11:36 AM
What a cracking thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif take my hat off to you BlairGowrie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

blairgowrie
01-19-2005, 02:50 PM
Thank you for the kind words Taylortony. You always have kind words for me.


And Altstiff. I have visited the Hamilton airport and saw the Lanc flying. I may make another trip there soon when the weather is a little warmer.

ustahl
01-19-2005, 04:42 PM
What an amazing thread! It made made my heart beat faster as history came alive. Can't remember any thread grasping my attention as vividly as this one.
In all the WWII reminiscence it made me remember my father's WWII stories, but he was in the German Navy... this being a flightsim forum that's OThttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks

Uffe

jensenpark
01-19-2005, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ustahl:
What an amazing thread! It made made my heart beat faster as history came alive. Can't remember any thread grasping my attention as vividly as this one.
In all the WWII reminiscence it made me remember my father's WWII stories, but he was in the German Navy... this being a flightsim forum that's OThttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks

Uffe <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you kidding? Please please please share them! I would love to hear of them, and I'm sure many more would also.

blairgowrie
01-19-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi Uffe,

First of all thank you for your complimentary comments. It was such a fabulous visit jensenpark and I just wanted to share it with all of the FB Forum members.

I have to echo jensenpark's sentiments. I would really like to hear some of your father's war stories. WW2 was so long ago that any bitterness has long since faded, certainly for me. I had a German girlfriend in my younger years, that I brought home to meet my family and my brother-in-law who flew a Fairey Swordfish told me " get that kraut out of here". I don't think I ever talked to him again. I only post this because it really happened. So post away Uffe, I hold the politicians responsible; not the participants.

Woof603
01-19-2005, 08:05 PM
Thanks for posting the pic of the CF100, Blairgowrie. Did you know that when it was active in the RCAF in the 50's its reputation as an all weather/night interceptor was such that the standing joke amongst the crew was that when they finally intercepted a bandit the CF100 wiould pull alongside, the pilot would hit a switch, and a large neon sign along the side of the CF100 would flash: "Surrender or I'll blow up!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TotenTanzen
01-19-2005, 08:49 PM
Thanks for sharing and cool pics.

woofiedog
01-20-2005, 01:27 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Excellent Photo's! You must of had a Great time. Did you bring a Tape Recorder and get any comments from the Vet's?
Thank's for Sharing

blairgowrie
01-20-2005, 06:41 AM
That's a real good story Woof603 about the CF100. I hadn't heard that one.

And woofiedog. I wished we had thought of taking a tape recorder with us. Maybe next time.

blairgowrie
01-20-2005, 06:50 AM
Yesterday I sent thank you e-mails to Col. Cy Yarnell and to Lt. Col Bill Tytula, Project Manager of the Halifax restoration. I also gave both of them a link to this thread. The following is a reply from Bill. Seems I was mistaken about the hurricane being an original.


"Jim
Thanks for the kind words and fantastic photos.
I'm not up tp speed on email chatter but it seemed that somewhere in the pack it was mentioned that the Spitfire was Fibreglass and the Hurricane real.
Both are full scale glass models. I can remember moving the Hurricane wings by hand. The
heaviness in them was only do to the steel frames inside.
We had to stop and think about whether the Halli had 2 or 3 bomb-bays.
We count 5, sometimes 7.
There is one centreline with 8 and 12 feet doors. I believe it has about 16 bomb racks.
Bombs can be carried in any of 3 bays on each side of the centre-wing/centre- fuselage.
They often had just one 500 pounder in each of the outboard bays.
Sometimes one set were used for auxillary fuel.
You are right....Cy is a pet. We keep him around just cause he's fun to be with.
Regards Bill Tytula"


----- Original Message -----

Subject: Thank you for a great day


Hi Cy and Bill,

Just wanted to drop you a note to thank you both for an outstanding day last Sunday.

Kelly and I posted the story of our visit and pictures on our a flying Forum and have received comments from people all over the world. I hope we didn't misquote anyone.

If you would like to see the pictures and the comments, you can view them on the Internet here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=8421081562&p=1

Helen has been in touch with her mother in British Columbia to get details of her father's squadron etc. and will shortly be returning the form she got from you Bill.

Again, our sincere appreciation for a great day and good luck with the fund raising for your respective ventures.

FlatSpinMan
01-20-2005, 07:00 AM
Excellent stuff BG and JP. Thank you for sharing them with us. Tell those museum guys that people in Japan are grateful for their efforts.

jensenpark
01-20-2005, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blairgowrie:
That's a real good story Woof603 about the CF100. I hadn't heard that one.

And woofiedog. I wished we had thought of taking a tape recorder with us. Maybe next time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have spent more time taking notes, but I was busy with my two kids, and talking with BG's very much younger wife! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cold_Gambler
01-20-2005, 09:54 AM
Cool thread-
Thanks for sharing!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

blairgowrie
01-20-2005, 10:02 AM
And can she talk, and talk, and talk......lol

jensenpark
01-20-2005, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blairgowrie:
And can she talk, and talk, and talk......lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's hope she doesn't come here and read and read and read your comment! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Gunner_361st
01-20-2005, 11:33 AM
It is great to see threads like this in the forums. I have enjoyed reading and looking at the pictures presented here. WWII, despite being so long ago, really touches a lot of people's lives and seems to intrique even those who are not history buffs.

Thinking of some way to contribute to it, I'll post what limited information I know about the veterans in my family who served in WWII.

The first I think of is my great uncle, Earl Pursell. He was a Navy Seabee during the time, and was part of the invasion of Okinawa. During the operation, it was said that every man in his unit died but him. He suffered greatly after the war to post traumatic stress disorder, and he always avoided talking about his experiences. He would come to tears very quickly when the topic came up.

The second example I can think of is my uncle-in-law's father, Kurtis William Krazer. He was a Corsair pilot for the Navy in the last 6 months of WWII, taken from what I believe he said was a Merchant Marine unit because of a shortage of pilots at that time. He said his squadron's number was the "513th" and their nickname was "The Unfit bunch." He was credited with 13 kills during his tour, all flying the wingman position, never lead. He commented on the manueverability of the Zero and how he couldn't shake one once, so his flight leader told him to dive to the deck and pull out at 600 feet. He did so with the Zero staying on his tail, and when he pulled up, he looked back and saw the Zero plunge straight ino the sea. From what I've read about the Zero's handling at extreme speeds, it would appear the plane had been going so fast that the pilot could not pull up in time.

He also said he was given credit for two kills which he rather unintentionally caused. One time, he said, there were 2 Zeros on his tail chasing him, and he did a break, and the two smashed into each other trying to pull inside his turn.

One of the most striking things he talked about was the way war is "funny." He explained how many Americans and Japanese became friends after the war, and grew to learn after hostilities had ended that as human beings, they really weren't that different after all.

Interesting, to say the least. I hope you all have good health and threads like this become more frequent in these forums.

Gunner of the 318th vFG

blairgowrie
01-20-2005, 12:26 PM
Great post Gunner_361st. Kurtis William Krazer must have been a heck of a pilot to get 13 kills. And I can see how that zero pilot could plunge on into the sea. Happens all the time in the game with the AI.

Couldn't agree with you more about seeing similar type of threads sprout up. There are lots of great stories out there that didn't make it into books but should be told.

FI_Willie
01-20-2005, 06:21 PM
THANK YOU Sirs!!

I echo the same sentiments as all here in this thread. You've done a wonderful service and relayed some GREAT info.

Most all of the old pilots that I knew WWII are rapidly fading away. I miss them.

Great looking family you've got as well. I'm in similar position as yourself. My son is 10. I'm OLD. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I went to pick him up from his new school a while back. They brought him out and he said "Hey Dad. WHERE'S Grandpa? The teacher told me my grandfather was here to pick me up today." The teacher turned a few shades of red and I had a good laugh. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks Again!!
~S~

:FI: Willie

LeadSpitter_
01-20-2005, 08:50 PM
excellent pics, get them all computers broadban sticks and fb aep pf so they can join in. Now that would be great comms company instead of crybabies on a certain blue teams TS server.

blairgowrie
01-21-2005, 06:18 AM
The guy who fixes up my old radios is a former Bf109 pilot named Herman Weber. After the war, he came to Canada and opened up a radio repair business then TV. I haven't seen him for a while but I know he had several confirmed kills including a Typhoon. He loves to talk although we haven't really gone in to his wartime experiences.

Maybe it's time for another visit. I am sure he will him some great photos and stories that I could post for you.

And great idea Lead!