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Delfin1941
04-27-2008, 04:30 PM
What would be your choice of good quality cord (not cordless) joystick for Il-2, Lock On, FSX..

I have to decide between these two-

1) Saitek Aviator
http://www.ptchip.com/lojainf/images/t_00021475.jpg

2) Logitech Extreme 3D Pro -
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414X2Z0A7TL.jpg

(my last was a cordless Logitech Freedom 2.4), which started to malfunction after a while -
whatever i'm getting now won't be cordless-

Delfin1941
04-27-2008, 04:30 PM
What would be your choice of good quality cord (not cordless) joystick for Il-2, Lock On, FSX..

I have to decide between these two-

1) Saitek Aviator
http://www.ptchip.com/lojainf/images/t_00021475.jpg

2) Logitech Extreme 3D Pro -
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414X2Z0A7TL.jpg

(my last was a cordless Logitech Freedom 2.4), which started to malfunction after a while -
whatever i'm getting now won't be cordless-

JG51_Rudel
04-27-2008, 04:45 PM
Saitek Aviator Hands Down.

Bearcat99
04-27-2008, 05:21 PM
Go with the Saitek... The logitech is better looking but unless something has changed there it is flimsier.

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-27-2008, 05:42 PM
If those are your two choices based on budget then definitely go with the Saitek. I would recommend staying away from any flight stick with the Logitech name.

You may also want to give the Thrustmaster T-Flight Stick X a look.

S!

Davion
04-27-2008, 06:10 PM
Logitech really is crappy, when I got mine it was starting to get loose and twitchy within the first two weeks.

Returned it to the store and got a Saitek Cyborg Evo so I could fly left-handed. While it's starting to wear out now, I've had it for a couple of years.

BrewsterPilot
04-27-2008, 06:28 PM
I've had both, the Logitech for over two years and the Aviator since last Friday.
And I say, GO WITH THE SAITEK!
It's more intelligently designed, and has a lot more functions. The extra slider comes in handy for binding to for example trim. I thought I was happy with the Logitech, until I tried the Saitek... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Delfin1941
04-27-2008, 07:13 PM
thanks guys, I'm getting the Saitek-
It was my 1st choice, altough I got so used to the grip and the Button configuration of my logitech. Pricewise the Saitek is 36$, and the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro is 27$
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I don't need anything fancy, just something very steady and smooth and precise..

Delfin1941
04-27-2008, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
If those are your two choices based on budget then definitely go with the Saitek. I would recommend staying away from any flight stick with the Logitech name.

You may also want to give the Thrustmaster T-Flight Stick X a look.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I looked into it, and the Flightstick X you reccomend me looks like a decent joystick-
should be even cheaper then the Aviator and no worst.

The problem is where do I find one. Not many stores here in ottawa canada carry this model.
I went to great lengths to find even one that has the Saitek Aviator and its at the other end of town...

http://www.psu.com/media/articles/ps3_joystick_1.jpg

Blindman-
04-27-2008, 10:34 PM
I have never used anything but my Logitec 3D PRO so I am bias. I have had it for 10 months and I push the buttons and yank the skick with some extreme strength (until I catch myself and then back off) and it still works like a charm. If it was made of plastic it would have been broken months ago. I bought one for my buddy at the same time and he still thanks me, as his also still treats him well.

Delfin1941
04-28-2008, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blindman-:
I have never used anything but my Logitec 3D PRO so I am bias. I have had it for 10 months and I push the buttons and yank the skick with some extreme strength (until I catch myself and then back off) and it still works like a charm. If it was made of plastic it would have been broken months ago. I bought one for my buddy at the same time and he still thanks me, as his also still treats him well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got the Freedom 2.4 which is similar to your's - just cordelss. I got it from a friend for free because he bought that X52 with throttle.
I have trouble with the controls, (buttons work great) but the left-right motion is terrible.
The stick gets stuck sometimes and the plane does not respond (and i get shut down !), - it also won't 'center'. In the calibration screen, the cross is not in the center and keep vibrating/jerking. I'll never get a cordless joystick again..

dirkpit7
04-28-2008, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Go with the Saitek... The logitech is better looking but unless something has changed there it is flimsier. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A matter of taste of course, but I think the Aviator is actually much better looking.

I used the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro for a year and I think it's better than many people say, however if I were choosing between those two I'd take the Saitek.

PBNA-Boosher
04-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Microsoft Sidewinder Precision 2. It's lasted me for 7-8 years and still going strong, and I just bought another one cheap off EBay. Too bad they don't make them anymore, but you can still find them and they're VERY reliable.

FatCat_99
04-28-2008, 03:08 PM
I used Logitech before and last year I switched to Saitek Aviator. Unlike many here I find Aviator to be poor for any sort of competitive flying.

Stick is cool and there is certain charm in operating those toggles but I'll go back to Logitech which is way better stick IMO.

FC

Delfin1941
04-28-2008, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Davion:
Logitech really is crappy, when I got mine it was starting to get loose and twitchy within the first two weeks.

Returned it to the store and got a Saitek Cyborg Evo so I could fly left-handed. While it's starting to wear out now, I've had it for a couple of years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Between the Saitek Aviator and Saitek Cyborg Evo
which would you choose ~ if they are the same price ??

[http://www.ardsoft.pl/images/74.jpg

Xiolablu3
04-28-2008, 03:29 PM
If you have a gameport then I would suggest a 2nd hand Microsft Force Feedback Pro off ebay.

http://www.businessweek.com/1997/50/art50/bw5045.jpg

Even if you dont have a gameport you can pick up a soundblaster live for around 3-4 now and use it just as a gameport.

NOTE: USB>GAmeport Adaptors are no good for force feedback cards - it doesnt work.

I picked up a SB Live for 3 and a MS FF Pro for 6.99 boxed+postage off ebay. Great stick.

R_Target
04-28-2008, 04:00 PM
The Logitech Extreme 3D Pro would be a decent stick if they didn't use those lousy plastic potentiometers. It has plenty of buttons, good spring tension, and nice ergonomics; but that's all worthless when the pots are junk to start with.

ytareh
04-28-2008, 04:09 PM
Logitech Extreme 3d Pro- not only better than the (any) Saitek but better than Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar...Just my opinion although many would say Im mad .Have used Saitek Evo Platinum ,MS Sidewinders (unbelievably crude and basic with spring just as floppy and limp as the Saiteks-dont get the hype AT ALL)and sadly lately just bought TWO Thrustmasters (Fox/Flight Stick X) which are as bad as the rest...
Thankfully no sign of Logitech stopping selling these low budget beauties....OK so some of them have potentiometer(pot) failure after a while but Ive only had one fail in that way out of 4 Ive got ...No stiffer spring period....The Cougar is certainly more tiring and 'heavy' but just as floppy as the cheaper ones in some directions/planes...One of its most popular 'mods' (on a top of the range stick!!!???) is called the Evenstrain spring kit -nuff said!?

Delfin1941
04-28-2008, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
The Logitech Extreme 3D Pro would be a decent stick if they didn't use those lousy plastic potentiometers. It has plenty of buttons, good spring tension, and nice ergonomics; but that's all worthless when the pots are junk to start with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, - i prefer the Cyborg Evo instead of the Logitech - im not getting a logitech joystick gain - It has everyhing plus alot more then the logitech - but I have to decide between that and the Aviator (AV8R)

ytareh
04-28-2008, 04:15 PM
Delfin check PMs!Or anyone else interested in buying brand new Flight Stick X or used Fox FFB PM me .

War_CHieF..
04-29-2008, 06:12 AM
Microsoft Sidewinder Pro, all the way. I've had one since its arival and it has been put through its paces, and its still with me 100%

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-29-2008, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What's the best Joystick to use? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/fighter_usb_lg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/pro_throttle_hl.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/p_left_handle.gif


My .02

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-29-2008, 04:35 PM
Of course TB! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But I dont think thats in his budget judging from his options listed.

I happen to still have the best 40 dollar stick ever made IMO up in the attic. The MS Sidewinder Precision 2 and since I like this community so much I will send it to anyone willing to pay shipping.

S!

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-29-2008, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ytareh:
Logitech Extreme 3d Pro- not only better than the (any) Saitek but better than Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're mad! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Worf101
04-30-2008, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ytareh:
Logitech Extreme 3d Pro- not only better than the (any) Saitek but better than Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're mad! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True Dat. The Cougar may have its faults, (too numerous to mention) but with time patience and money you can have the best joystick available this side of $1,000. Halls sensors upgrade, UberII NXT et. al and you've one fine piece of equipment.

Da Worfster

JG52Uther
04-30-2008, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ytareh:
Logitech Extreme 3d Pro- not only better than the (any) Saitek but better than Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're mad! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True Dat. The Cougar may have its faults, (too numerous to mention) but with time patience and money you can have the best joystick available this side of $1,000. Halls sensors upgrade, UberII NXT et. al and you've one fine piece of equipment.

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Or you can spend what, $300 on a CH setup that just,you know,works out of the box!
And actually I still have my logitech Attack3 that works better and has lasted longer than any saitek I ever had lol.Still prefer my CH though.

gates123
04-30-2008, 04:03 PM
Buying either Sietek or Logitec will result in exchaging them for new units every 3 months. If your ok with that go for it.

If your not then I recommend a CH products joystick and rudder pedal combo and support a US company with great durability and precision.