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Acersales
09-25-2006, 12:22 PM
Hi. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Im sorry to have made a few posts with different subjects, but i want to know features about planes in PF. The question of today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif:

Which do you consider to be the best version of the FW 190s? do you prefer the Ta-151 rather than the FW-190s?

Why do you say this plane to be so good, when the turning time is so bad?

Cheers

Acersales
09-25-2006, 12:22 PM
Hi. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Im sorry to have made a few posts with different subjects, but i want to know features about planes in PF. The question of today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif:

Which do you consider to be the best version of the FW 190s? do you prefer the Ta-151 rather than the FW-190s?

Why do you say this plane to be so good, when the turning time is so bad?

Cheers

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2006, 01:46 PM
Just because a plane cant turn doesnt make it bad. Obviously Boom and Zoom is a mystery to you.

Zeros can out turn anything in this game but you dont survive long against someone in a 190 online. Those cannons rip you to shreds in no time.

There are a few things that people consider when they think of a plane as being "good".

Survivability
Armament
Speed/Acceleration
Overall "feel"

Alot of people like the 190s because they have those four things down quite well.

The Ta-152 is a good variant of the 190s, but its only really good up high. At the altitudes most people fly at online, these planes never really get used to their full potential.

tigertalon
09-25-2006, 02:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acersales:
Im sorry to have made a few posts with different subjects, but i want to know features about planes in PF. The question of today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif:

Which do you consider to be the best version of the FW 190s? do you prefer the Ta-151 rather than the FW-190s?

Why do you say this plane to be so good, when the turning time is so bad?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, this means a Gladiator is the best plane, because it turns best?

Best version of Fw, well, depends for what. For fighting fighters in a dogfight server enviroment, D9_44 is THE best fighter in this sim (apart from jets).

For slaughtering bombers, A9 (optionally with 103) would be my choice.

Peak of Fw190 dominance is year 1942: in your A4 you will outrun and outgun everything by far.

VW-IceFire
09-25-2006, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acersales:
Hi. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Im sorry to have made a few posts with different subjects, but i want to know features about planes in PF. The question of today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif:

Which do you consider to be the best version of the FW 190s? do you prefer the Ta-151 rather than the FW-190s?

Why do you say this plane to be so good, when the turning time is so bad?

Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of the FW190s...the Ta-152H is the best at higher altitudes (it really shows above 5000m) while the FW190D-9 is the best at lower altitudes. Between the FW190 models that is. In general both models are excellent upto 9000m and the Ta-152H is still going pretty strong at 11000m.

Turning time is useful only when you're involved in a horizontal turn fight. That is one style of combat but its not the only style and its by far the riskiest to get into as you're always open to attack. FW190s use speed to make single attacks blasting past their target at high speed and hopefully with the element of surprise. The plane is designed to do this and do this well. Its firepower means that only a few hits are required to win. A good FW190 pilot will almost never be exposed to a counter attack by the target plane while a turn fighter will always have the possibility (however slight - depending on the plane matchup) that the guy infront will get on your tail and shoot you eventually.

But it takes alot of practice...give it time but focus on never having to turn with a target for longer than 90 degrees. Focus on always climbing and diving.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-25-2006, 05:39 PM
A6 and Dora are my two favorites. Although I dont fly the Dora too much becuase of the servers I fly in usually run earlier maps. The A6 is one of the best all around Anton's IMO.

Also if you fly in arcade type servers like many do, you most likely wont see the FWs being used to the best of thier potentional. This goes the same for others that fight the same style such as the P-47.

JamesBlonde888
09-25-2006, 08:06 PM
Personally I am not a big 190 fan. It is a tricky a/c for people who still have their head in a 'Turn and Burn' mindset.

I keep practiising B&Z though and eventually I might be able to do something useful in a 190. When that day comes my 190 of choice would be the A-8 due to the big punch. Why fly around in ever diminishing circles when one good burst will knock out even a Jug?

Acersales
09-26-2006, 10:05 AM
Thanks everybody!

I keep not understanding. BnZ is supposed to be climbing and diving.... but Dora isnt quite a good climber, as said by Hardballs! and the firepower is quite standard!

Thanks!

Chuck_Older
09-26-2006, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acersales:
Hi. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Im sorry to have made a few posts with different subjects, but i want to know features about planes in PF. The question of today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif:

Which do you consider to be the best version of the FW 190s? do you prefer the Ta-151 rather than the FW-190s?

Why do you say this plane to be so good, when the turning time is so bad?

Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Manueverability is considered a defensive attribute to many real fighter pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2006, 10:25 AM
Odd, I can zoom climb a Dora pretty well.

Acersales
09-26-2006, 11:00 AM
But Hadball, Il2 Viewer, Il2 Wingman an others say a Dora takes 6,9min to climb up to 5200m. In other words, slow in climbing compared to, for an example, a La-7

Chuck_Older
09-26-2006, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acersales:
But Hadball, Il2 Viewer, Il2 Wingman an others say a Dora takes 6,9min to climb up to 5200m. In other words, slow in climbing compared to, for an example, a La-7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a race to climb. You are misunderstanding how the tactic works.

You dive on an enemy, preferably who is unawares, and preferably while he is in a low energy state. You don't challenge the guy to a climbing contest, you bounce him.

VW-IceFire
09-26-2006, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acersales:
Thanks everybody!

I keep not understanding. BnZ is supposed to be climbing and diving.... but Dora isnt quite a good climber, as said by Hardballs! and the firepower is quite standard!

Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its the other way around. Diving and climbing. You approach the enemy with a height advantage (usually significant), drop down at high speed, make a pass, and zoom back up. The climb is not as important as engine power and weight as you want to retain as much momentum through the move as possible. Generally as little manuevering as possible.

The D-9 has enough firepower to get the job done. If you're good and a bit lucky you should be able to hammer your target during a high speed pass with 6-7 hits from the cannons and thats enough to seriously ruin most opponents. This takes practice and skill and generally alot more thinking.

The FW190D-9 against the Spitfire is one of the classic cases of this type of manuevering but it works against all "boom and zoom" or "energy style" combat fighters against all "turn and burn fighters". Another great one is the P-40 against the Zero or against the Oscar (Ki-43). The P-40 has a decent enough turn but its not anything like the Zero or Oscar. So the same type of technique is used...the P-40 is not very good in the climb at all but it holds its energy through a dive and zoom climb back to its original altitude very well for an early war plane. So against a turn fighter the P-40 can always dive, attack, and zoom and if done right the P-40 will never be exposed to the targets guns ever. Even against a small swarm of turn fighters a few P-40s is all it takes (if flown properly).

Its not easy...there are others far better than me who do it so well...but everyone can learn it and do well with it.

If you want it in detail...read here: http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html

tigertalon
09-26-2006, 08:09 PM
Another often overlooked important aspect of BnZing and IMO a typical newbie mistake is: don't concentrate on a single target. On a dogfight server full of targets, fly high speed high alt, dive, fire, and get away in a shallow climb, forgetting about your target. If you hit him, good, if not, also good. Fly straight on, climbing shallowly, searching for new prey. The sweetest ones are those, who are just on a tail of your buddy. If buddy sees you, he will probably drag his attacker in such a position that he will present a nice target for you.
Such a combination of Boom'n'Zoom and Drag'n'Bag is brutal.

BnZers are not made for dueling.

Acersales
09-27-2006, 09:26 AM
Hi. Thanks for your answers, Ive read SimHQ article about B&Z, and I have tried it. Its by far the best way of having fun!!! I love it, since fights get long (1 vs 1, 30min) cos im very bad at this tactic. Ive been trying to decide which FW190 to choose‚‚ā¨¬¶. Which one would you recommend me for BnZ? FW190 A9 or D9? Remember the incredible firepower of that A9! Pleaze give me reasons why u would choose one or another!

Thanks u all for your support!

Acersales
09-27-2006, 01:13 PM
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VW-IceFire
09-27-2006, 07:27 PM
D-9 hands down...the A-9 has more firepower but little else. If given the choice the D-9 is faster, climbs quicker, is more agile, can be turned tighter, and generally performs better than any other FW190 model.

Acersales
09-28-2006, 09:34 AM
and between the FW 190 D9's which one is better?

tigertalon
09-28-2006, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acersales:
and between the FW 190 D9's which one is better? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you only fight low (which you shouldn't at first place) than they are pretty much equal. When going high (above 5k), the eary model (44) is clearly superior.

I always take the early one if I have an option.

And again: yes, D9 is the best of them all (compared to eachother), but the peak of Fw190 dominance was the A3 and A4 in year 1942. A4 in 1942 is far more superior to contemporary adversaries than D9 is in 44 or 45.

Acersales
09-28-2006, 12:04 PM
thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif