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blabla0001
02-08-2004, 10:11 AM
I just started one just for laughs in a G2.

We where in a flight of 8 and a few other planes roaming about and we needed to escort a recon plane.

When we where about half way I already lost sight of half of my flight because they got jumped by some enemy fighters and pretty soon I found myself in the middle of a hord of Russian fighters with only my flight of 4 planes and I don't even knew how many Russian planes there where. (I set air and ground density to max)

I shot down 8 planes in my G2, LA5's and Yak 1's)

The rest of my flight shot down 10 additional planes and we only lost 5 planes, 2 of them from my flight of 8. (#5 and 6)

The recon plane survived as well, we even got the hidden mission complete although I have no idea what it was.

In my book this is a very succesful mission.

blabla0001
02-08-2004, 10:11 AM
I just started one just for laughs in a G2.

We where in a flight of 8 and a few other planes roaming about and we needed to escort a recon plane.

When we where about half way I already lost sight of half of my flight because they got jumped by some enemy fighters and pretty soon I found myself in the middle of a hord of Russian fighters with only my flight of 4 planes and I don't even knew how many Russian planes there where. (I set air and ground density to max)

I shot down 8 planes in my G2, LA5's and Yak 1's)

The rest of my flight shot down 10 additional planes and we only lost 5 planes, 2 of them from my flight of 8. (#5 and 6)

The recon plane survived as well, we even got the hidden mission complete although I have no idea what it was.

In my book this is a very succesful mission.

SeaFireLIV
02-08-2004, 10:19 AM
The rumour that Jerry planes suck offline has always been greatly exaggerated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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robban75
02-08-2004, 10:44 AM
The G-2 also climbs to 5000m in 3.5 minutes.

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blabla0001
02-08-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
The G-2 also climbs to 5000m in 3.5 minutes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, and the funny thing is, did you see multiple threads from Allied players screaming bias and demanding a fix asap or else?

robban75
02-08-2004, 12:44 PM
Well, I never fly the G-2, I don't even fly against it. So I haven't noticed it. But I did a climb test with it since I heard some complaints about its performance. I posted the results in Oleg's ready room along with some other planes, if you're interested. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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WilliVonBill
02-08-2004, 12:52 PM
The only problem I have with an LW offline campaign is that my AI squadron mates flying Bf-109s tend to crash into each other on a regular basis. Sure, I've seen collisions when flying both red and blue side, but in a 109 squadron I've often come back with only half of my flight because of collisions. Gets to be a little frustrating after awhile...

blabla0001
02-08-2004, 12:53 PM
I saw them Robban, really impressive that G2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am sure the LW boys would have loved that climbrate on their G2.

Red_Storm
02-08-2004, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
The G-2 also climbs to 5000m in 3.5 minutes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, and the funny thing is, did you see multiple threads from Allied players screaming bias and demanding a fix asap or else?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I think the daily (hourly?) posts by Americans demanding fixes for their "non-hollywood-performing" airplanes speak for themselves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Bruusteri
02-08-2004, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WilliVonBill:
The only problem I have with an LW offline campaign is that my AI squadron mates flying Bf-109s tend to crash into each other on a regular basis. Sure, I've seen collisions when flying both red and blue side, but in a 109 squadron I've often come back with only half of my flight because of collisions. Gets to be a little frustrating after awhile...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Willi. There is an easy way to limit collisions if you are leader of the formation(s).
Just order the planes to loosen formation. Repeat the order 3-4 times. You have to repeat this process every time the planes rejoin the formation. Ordering 3 times to loosen, means that your wingman is about 100m away from you normally. Also keep an eye on your flight when you make hard turns (better not to make too hard turns, except in combat). Note that loosening the formation too much has a bad effect especially in bomber formations (defensive fire gets weaker).

After I've been doing that my formations suffer collisions maybe only in every 15th mission (and rarely more than 1 collision).

Happy hunting

Chuck_Older
02-08-2004, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Well, I think the daily (hourly?) posts by Americans demanding fixes for their "non-hollywood-performing" airplanes speak for themselves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif We can't go an hour without somebody complaining about the US. You are an America-whiner http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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blabla0001
02-08-2004, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Well, I think the daily (hourly?) posts by Americans demanding fixes for their "non-hollywood-performing" airplanes speak for themselves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, I must have missed those 24 threads a day about that.

That either means they are not there or the mods are doing a really great job.

SeaFireLIV
02-08-2004, 01:44 PM
It`s quite amazing how some Americans always fall for the same old ribbing and then everyone`s instantly an anti-American... sigh....

Hey, US, when someone says something slightly not praising of America just.....

ignore it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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blabla0001
02-08-2004, 01:52 PM
I think it's a pride thing SeaFire, if someone is saying bad things about Dutch people or the Netherlands I just jump right in and mock my own country right beside them.

If there is one thing we Dutch are good at it's mocking our own country and everything in it.

That and build ****s, grow tulips and learn how to walk on wooden shoes.

Chuck_Older
02-08-2004, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s quite amazing how some Americans always fall for the same old ribbing and then everyone`s instantly an anti-American... sigh....

Hey, US, when someone says something slightly not praising of America just.....

ignore it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/LAlowblue.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey! I heard that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-08-2004, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I think it's a pride thing SeaFire, if someone is saying bad things about Dutch people or the Netherlands I just jump right in and mock my own country right beside them.

If there is one thing we Dutch are good at it's mocking our own country and everything in it.

That and build ****s, grow tulips and learn how to walk on wooden shoes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


very true but im proud to be dutch as well,but i dont get all angry if someone says something about my country
and americans need to relax more
they just got alot of anger in um
i think thier mothers didnt gave them
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kyrule2
02-08-2004, 05:03 PM
Just my thoughts on this thread:

-Like I just said in another thread, G-2 needs to be toned down. Hopefully by the number of posts on it, it is known now, or hopefully somebody has sent something to Oleg.

-The German AI (or planes) were really bad in initial FB release but German AI is much improved in campaigns, actually this was fixed in one of the first patches. 109 AI is very good now but that probably has alot to do with 109's increased turn-ability. The Me-262 still has very poor AI. The 190 AI is great when there is any advantage or it flies against less than Ace level AI. Against Ace level AI it isn't so good. The only AI that really needs looking at in terms of ability to fight is the 262 IMO, but I really don't think the FB engine/coding would allow for any effective change so its no big deal. And I realize this is the product of the style of plane the 262 is.

-Cappadocian, after the P-51 debacle I really wouldn't start pointing fingers. Then again, that is what you seem to enjoy doing the most.

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S77th-brooks
02-08-2004, 09:13 PM
awsum cappa ,were,s the photo,s and did ya use ltd ammo this time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

dieadler
02-08-2004, 09:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I think it's a pride thing SeaFire, if someone is saying bad things about Dutch people or the Netherlands I just jump right in and mock my own country right beside them.

If there is one thing we Dutch are good at it's mocking our own country and everything in it.

And making damn good choclate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That and build ****s, grow tulips and learn how to walk on wooden shoes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dieadler
02-08-2004, 09:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I think it's a pride thing SeaFire, if someone is saying bad things about Dutch people or the Netherlands I just jump right in and mock my own country right beside them.

If there is one thing we Dutch are good at it's mocking our own country and everything in it.

That and build ****s, grow tulips and learn how to walk on wooden shoes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


very true but im proud to be dutch as well,but i dont get all angry if someone says something about my country
and americans need to relax more
they just got alot of anger in um
i think thier mothers didnt gave them
breast feeding http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

No, our girlfriends and wives don't give us breast feeding. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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BfHeFwMe
02-09-2004, 12:04 AM
OK, whats all this about ****s walking around in wooden shoes giving each other tulips? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

blabla0001
02-09-2004, 02:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S77th-brooks:
awsum cappa ,were,s the photo,s and did ya use ltd ammo this time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I already showed you my gunnery accuracy shots so there is not need to get into that again.

Most kills I make is a high speed B&Z and most of the time they go down on the first pass so I don't need unlimited ammo.

And make your own shots for a change, I am not going to supply you with new ones so you can brag to your friends how good you are with someone else's screens.

blabla0001
02-09-2004, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
OK, whats all this about ****s walking around in wooden shoes giving each other tulips? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We woo our women with tulips, then we try to impress them with our famous "Wooden shoe will get you some" dance.

Fehler
02-09-2004, 06:04 AM
I was going to say something, but then again, what's the use?

Yes Cap, the G-2 is overmodeled. No LW plane ever scored a kill in WWII. The Diamler-Benz engines couldnt produce 15 horse power. No 109 could outclimb a WWI bi-plane. The Germans used marshmallow bullets. Anyone that flies LW planes are mis-informed, closet nazi's.

You should have named the thread.. "Look at me guys, I'm patting myself on the back (Again) because I hate Nazi's!" Then again, you could make a button macro so you can title every one of your posts in the same manner with a simple key stroke. It will save you a great amount of time, and you could get your post count up to 1 million in a week or so. After all, all your posts have the same verbal diarrhea anyway.

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oFZo
02-09-2004, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I think it's a pride thing SeaFire, if someone is saying bad things about Dutch people or the Netherlands I just jump right in and mock my own country right beside them.

If there is one thing we Dutch are good at it's mocking our own country and everything in it.

That and build ****s, grow tulips and learn how to walk on wooden shoes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


very true but im proud to be dutch as well,but i dont get all angry if someone says something about my country
and americans need to relax more
they just got alot of anger in um
i think thier mothers didnt gave them
breast feeding http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.warhawks.tk/
http://www.digital-d.nl/fotos/sunburstsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a Dutchman who lived in the US, I tend to agree! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Especially the black/white view.
Something "slightly negative" is usually explained as hatred or jealousy. That's not how it is.

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oFZo
02-09-2004, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
I was going to say something, but then again, what's the use?

Yes Cap, the G-2 is overmodeled. No LW plane ever scored a kill in WWII. The Diamler-Benz engines couldnt produce 15 horse power. No 109 could outclimb a WWI bi-plane. The Germans used marshmallow bullets. Anyone that flies LW planes are mis-informed, closet nazi's.

You should have named the thread.. "Look at me guys, I'm patting myself on the back (Again) because I hate Nazi's!" Then again, you could make a button macro so you can title every one of your posts in the same manner with a simple key stroke. It will save you a great amount of time, and you could get your post count up to 1 million in a week or so. After all, all your posts have the same verbal diarrhea anyway.

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http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You seem to be troubled. Relax.

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Cossack_UA
02-09-2004, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
I was going to say something, but then again, what's the use?

Yes Cap, the G-2 is overmodeled. No LW plane ever scored a kill in WWII. The Diamler-Benz engines couldnt produce 15 horse power. No 109 could outclimb a WWI bi-plane. The Germans used marshmallow bullets. Anyone that flies LW planes are mis-informed, closet nazi's.

You should have named the thread.. "Look at me guys, I'm patting myself on the back (Again) because I hate Nazi's!" Then again, you could make a button macro so you can title every one of your posts in the same manner with a simple key stroke. It will save you a great amount of time, and you could get your post count up to 1 million in a week or so. After all, all your posts have the same verbal diarrhea anyway.

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http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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blabla0001
02-09-2004, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
I was going to say something, but then again, what's the use?

Yes Cap, the G-2 is overmodeled. No LW plane ever scored a kill in WWII. The Diamler-Benz engines couldnt produce 15 horse power. No 109 could outclimb a WWI bi-plane. The Germans used marshmallow bullets. Anyone that flies LW planes are mis-informed, closet nazi's.

You should have named the thread.. "Look at me guys, I'm patting myself on the back (Again) because I hate Nazi's!" Then again, you could make a button macro so you can title every one of your posts in the same manner with a simple key stroke. It will save you a great amount of time, and you could get your post count up to 1 million in a week or so. After all, all your posts have the same verbal diarrhea anyway.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you got all that out of this post?

Impressive.

If you ask me you seek too much in this man......take a chill pill or something.

jurinko
02-09-2004, 07:53 AM
Fehler is right.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Blutarski2004
02-09-2004, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jurinko:
Fehler is right.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Letka13./Liptow @ HL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... only if one ignores all those terrible Americans who have actually argued in support of LW aircraft mods, like complaining about the terrible visibility out of the 190 cockpit, and helping to convince Oleg that the 15mm HMG should actually be able to damage an I-16, and stepping up to "un-pork" the original 109 FM.

Ho-hum. Short memories in play here, IMHO.

BLUTARSKI

JorBR
02-09-2004, 09:35 AM
On the subject.
I have a great amount of experience in offline campaigns. For LW it´s a way better now, before the patches your staffeln would ran out of planes (and experienced pilots) after 3 to 7 missions.

Speaking in historical terms, LW losses are still to high, because it is more suitable to AI T&B than B&Z. The same for the other side: in VVS campaigns I felt quite safe flying I16s and I153 in 1941, with MIG-3s, LAGGs and even Yaks it´s quite difficult and squadron losses are staggering.

109 campaigns would be more accurate if AI planes went home as soon as they got hit. It´s frustrantig to see a good AI fellow with a smoking engine going forward only to try to get back when it is already to late.

In 190´s units the problem isn´t so accute as it´s engines have greater endurance.

A little bit off now, but in the same way, to prevent dogfights over heavily defended areas (AAA) would be a great improvement also. Yesterday I was the only survivor of a 8 plane formation because my staffel insisted to fight over Sevastopol airfield.

I´m far from a techie but I guess theses issues could only be addressed in BoB. I already know that is not possible to the game´s engine to prevent AI planes doing forced landings on forests.

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mortoma
02-09-2004, 10:11 AM
Well LW planes aren't terrible offline but I have always found ( with all patch levels and including IL2 original ) that I can survive longer in a Russian campaign GENERALLY speaking. But if I try and fly in a sucky VVS plane, such as a Mig 3 or Yak 1/7, I find it hard to survive long in those too. I'm a strictly "DID" player and will never hit refly. Overall life is easier in FB as a commie pinko. I've rarely survived longer than 20 missions in LW service. But as long as 100 as a ruskie. Want to die soon?? Try fighting in a Stuka of any type!!!

[This message was edited by mortoma on Mon February 09 2004 at 09:37 AM.]

faustnik
02-09-2004, 10:18 AM
Capp,

You've made some good, straightforward posts on this forum, but, this one just looks like trolling. I can easily get eight kills offline in any of the Russian birds, does that mean they are overmodeled? If you clain the G2 is overmodeld in climb and turn, then please post data indicating it is along with similar data for contemporary Soviet a/c for comparison.

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mortoma
02-09-2004, 10:24 AM
JorBR wrote:
"Speaking in historical terms, LW losses are still to high, because it is more suitable to AI T&B than B&Z. The same for the other side: in VVS campaigns I felt quite safe flying I16s and I153 in 1941, with MIG-3s, LAGGs and even Yaks it´s quite difficult and squadron losses are staggering.

109 campaigns would be more accurate if AI planes went home as soon as they got hit. It´s frustrantig to see a good AI fellow with a smoking engine going forward only to try to get back when it is already to late. "

What type of illegal substance you been on?? Just kidding by the way. But why are you including early Laggs in your list of bad Red planes to survive in? I find them excellent all the way up until the G2s show up!! My squadron is not losing hardly any Laggs to Messers, even against F2 and F4s!! We nearly always mop up Siberia with those Messers and I never fear Messers except when outnumbered and alone. Even then I have survived and flown home. I find the Lagg 3 to be overall the best early soviet fighter, since it turns well enough and is much faster that I-153s or I-16s. Heck, they are faster than the P-40s anyway. They are also tougher so I chose them over the P-40 also.

As far as it being more realistic if the 109s flew home after being engine damaged, there for a while in either late IL2 or early FB patches, they flight leader would issue a command for a wouinded plane to go home.
But for some reason they did away with that. I hope they bring that feature back. They also used to tell you to go home if you went " Winchester". But not any more. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

JorBR
02-09-2004, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
Well LW planes aren't terrible offline but I have always found ( with all patch levels and including IL2 original ) that I can survive longer in a Russian campaign GENERALLY speaking. But if I try and fly in a sucky VVS plane, such as a Mig 3 or Yak 1/7, I find it hard to survive long in those too. I'm a strictly "DID" player and will never hit refly. Overall life is easier in FB as a commie pinko. I've rarely survived monger than 20 missions in LW service. But as long as 100 as a ruskie. Want to die soon?? Try fighting in a Stuka of any type!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The inhability of AI to pull lead contributes a lot to VVS survailability. Don´t tryed the Stuka yet, but I ca assure that being a 1941/early42 IL2 pilot is a frigthfull experience http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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JorBR
02-09-2004, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
JorBR wrote:

What type of illegal substance you been on?? Just kidding by the way. But why are you including early Laggs in your list of bad Red planes to survive in? I find them excellent all the way up until the G2s show up!! My squadron is not losing hardly any Laggs to Messers, even against F2 and F4s!! We nearly always mop up Siberia with those Messers and I never fear Messers except when outnumbered and alone. Even then I have survived and flown home. I find the Lagg 3 to be overall the best early soviet fighter, since it turns well enough and is much faster that I-153s or I-16s. Heck, they are faster than the P-40s anyway. They are also tougher so I chose them over the P-40 also.
(...)
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Nothing illegal yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . I partially agree, I should have not included the LAGG side by side with the MIG. Anyway, my squadrons usually got hard times with 109´s, and that´s not my fault as a leitnant

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mortoma
02-09-2004, 10:47 AM
JorBR wrote:
"Speaking in historical terms, LW losses are still to high, because it is more suitable to AI T&B than B&Z."

Boy did you get that right!!! Ever try and fly a Me262 campaign, only to find your squadron running out of planes in the first week?? The AI have a decided penchant for insisting on trying to turn with soviet prop fighters, letting thier non-nimble planes get way too slow in the process. They get ate up while I use the proper techniques and bag as many as 6 to 10 soviet planes in a single sortie. I sort of have to compensate for their incompetence!!! But unfortunately, I can't compensate for the lost planes and pilots, I can only improve the final kill ratio of the mission. Sometimes I get lucky and I'm able to down enough soviet fighters in the first few minutes of the engagement, before they have a chance to kill my idiot AI buddies!!

[This message was edited by mortoma on Mon February 09 2004 at 10:01 AM.]

S77th-brooks
02-09-2004, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S77th-brooks:
awsum cappa ,were,s the photo,s and did ya use ltd ammo this time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I already showed you my gunnery accuracy shots so there is not need to get into that again.

Most kills I make is a high speed B&Z and most of the time they go down on the first pass so I don't need unlimited ammo.

And make your own shots for a change, I am not going to supply you with new ones so you can brag to your friends how good you are with someone else's screens.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifyour so full of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

blabla0001
02-10-2004, 02:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Capp,

You've made some good, straightforward posts on this forum, but, this one just looks like trolling. I can easily get eight kills offline in any of the Russian birds, does that mean they are overmodeled? If you clain the G2 is overmodeld in climb and turn, then please post data indicating it is along with similar data for contemporary Soviet a/c for comparison.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/FaustSig
http://www.7jg77.com

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Actually, I never said it was overmodelled in my intial post.

It seems that several people here seek more into this then they should.

Robban did his climb tests and it's pretty obvious that in that department it's overmodelled, all I did was agree with it.

I never said it was overmodelled in turns.

blabla0001
02-10-2004, 02:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S77th-brooks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S77th-brooks:
awsum cappa ,were,s the photo,s and did ya use ltd ammo this time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I already showed you my gunnery accuracy shots so there is not need to get into that again.

Most kills I make is a high speed B&Z and most of the time they go down on the first pass so I don't need unlimited ammo.

And make your own shots for a change, I am not going to supply you with new ones so you can brag to your friends how good you are with someone else's screens.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifyour so full of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just practiced a lot, so far all you do is repeat yourself that I am full of it.

My guess it's just because you can't do well in this sim and blame it on the planes instead of yourself.