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Afterhours
09-24-2008, 10:26 AM
It is interesting to note the double-standards and childrens "gaming" chivalry that IL2 online pilots have which never existed in WWII.


Turn fighters will call energy fighters cowards. Energy fighters will call turn-fighters and ground-pounders newbs.

Those who fly at high altitude think they are better than those who fly at low altitude.

Those who ground-pound think their "craft" shooting static objects is most noble, but call fighter pilots who are firing at them, targets that move and CAN shoot back ignoble and newbs.

Vulching is a dirty word in IL2 online, but pilot after pilot switches their landing lights on to say that "no one can shoot at me now, I have my landing lights on".

In WWII there was some chivalry, a lot of pilots would not shoot at parachutes, but just as many would. Some pilots would let a hit enemy aircraft go home or even escort it part way, others would not even consider it.

The bottom line in WWII though is that it was war and it was no-holds barred. There is not anyone criticizing WWII aces for any actions they took, "vulching" etc., but they will criticize you for doing the same thing online not if they do it, but if you do it to them!

I know one WWII pilot who will not tell all the things he did or was involved with during WWII, he says the "public" would not understand or approve, but they had to be done to win the battle or war.
Some will call something an atrocity, others will say War is He11.

Most of those who fly IL2 online and whine about what others do are those who hold unrealistic double-standards, or are carrying unrealistic children's gaming chivalry over from their involvement in some D&D gaming, and most of those who whine about others are also those who are repeatedly shot down by them.

Some squads and servers will even go so far to impose their double standards on others that they will manipulate their servers maps and plane-sets to this end at the expense of historical accuracy.

When I fly online in your COOP or server with winning objectives, I am sorry I bring no child's gaming chivalry or double-standard with me. As in WWII, I will shoot your aircraft down, kill you and destroy your assets using every trick and method and opportunity you can imagine, and many you cannot or have not learned yet.
If besides your whining, you decide to sacrifice historical accuracy for your ego, then you are all the more a sad example.

Afterhours
09-24-2008, 10:26 AM
It is interesting to note the double-standards and childrens "gaming" chivalry that IL2 online pilots have which never existed in WWII.


Turn fighters will call energy fighters cowards. Energy fighters will call turn-fighters and ground-pounders newbs.

Those who fly at high altitude think they are better than those who fly at low altitude.

Those who ground-pound think their "craft" shooting static objects is most noble, but call fighter pilots who are firing at them, targets that move and CAN shoot back ignoble and newbs.

Vulching is a dirty word in IL2 online, but pilot after pilot switches their landing lights on to say that "no one can shoot at me now, I have my landing lights on".

In WWII there was some chivalry, a lot of pilots would not shoot at parachutes, but just as many would. Some pilots would let a hit enemy aircraft go home or even escort it part way, others would not even consider it.

The bottom line in WWII though is that it was war and it was no-holds barred. There is not anyone criticizing WWII aces for any actions they took, "vulching" etc., but they will criticize you for doing the same thing online not if they do it, but if you do it to them!

I know one WWII pilot who will not tell all the things he did or was involved with during WWII, he says the "public" would not understand or approve, but they had to be done to win the battle or war.
Some will call something an atrocity, others will say War is He11.

Most of those who fly IL2 online and whine about what others do are those who hold unrealistic double-standards, or are carrying unrealistic children's gaming chivalry over from their involvement in some D&D gaming, and most of those who whine about others are also those who are repeatedly shot down by them.

Some squads and servers will even go so far to impose their double standards on others that they will manipulate their servers maps and plane-sets to this end at the expense of historical accuracy.

When I fly online in your COOP or server with winning objectives, I am sorry I bring no child's gaming chivalry or double-standard with me. As in WWII, I will shoot your aircraft down, kill you and destroy your assets using every trick and method and opportunity you can imagine, and many you cannot or have not learned yet.
If besides your whining, you decide to sacrifice historical accuracy for your ego, then you are all the more a sad example.

rnzoli
09-24-2008, 10:40 AM
Did you know that WWII ended more than 60 years ago?
You seem like fighting it even today. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Got some good points above, but you seem to be way too stressed about them.
Flying online is mostly about objectives, but the friendship, comradship, and last, but not least, fun part is also good.

So I am curious: do you fly alone, with a friend or as part of a squad?

JtD
09-24-2008, 10:47 AM
Lol, you can't enjoy a simple game. You know, that thing you do with other folks to have the maximum amount of fun for everybody participating.

Erkki_M
09-24-2008, 11:55 AM
Afterhours: agreed, IF the game is trying to represent real war. There are il2 servers and coop wars which try to do this to the last detail, and your hands are free in eliminating the enemy.

However, I dont think those just do in a casual DF server. Firstly its not fun and secondly will make many beginners stop playing(if they're being vulched and/or chute killed all the time without any change of fighting back).

If someone sees/has seen me calling someone a coward or "yank and bank noob" etc. its been a joke. Unless of course he was on my side.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

There is no one best or valid tactic, everything goes as far as its effective. Even turning endless loops in a Spit.

LW_lcarp
09-24-2008, 12:08 PM
Only problem I have online is those that circle an airfield waiting for someone to spawn and then they shoot them with there MG and canons continually.

You want to drop a bomb on their heads and fly away I have no problem. YOu want to turn fight, BnZ go right ahead.

Fly at 10,000 meters fly at 0 meters have a blast. It doesnt matter to 95% of the people what you do online but some are pretty annoyed with the vulching/spawn camping that goes on.

P.FunkAdelic
09-24-2008, 12:25 PM
I see a bit of a hypocrisy here. You basically called out everyone in the IL-2 community, threw mud at them, then said you were more noble because you represent the fullest picture of the WW2 air warrior spirit.

Whats historical about using every bit of energy to destroy an enemy? Whats realistic about having no care about honour and respect for your opponent? Real warriors often have these feelings, real ones also don't. My grandfather was a commando in WW2, fought with Lord Lovat at Dieppe and more than a few other spots. He said that most Germans were just like him, just boys that caught up in some big mess, except the SS. He made a point of saying that they never spared a single one of them.

So what does that say? That you can fight your war however you want to. You can be honourable or ignoble or a true sunnuvab1tch if you want. War has no rules so why say that everyone is doing it wrong?

Second point. Its a game. We are here to have fun. People define fun differently but by and large we like to have fun with other human beings. Sometimes that means sacrificing the details for the sake of friendly competition or just luring people to your server.

Also its online gaming. Never forget that. Something happens with people online. Its the magical world of no consequences and a major outlet for people's sadness, frustration and inadequacy. People will be vulgar and rude and ego maniacal because there are no consequences here. You don't have to look a man in the eye and say things to him. You don't have to appreciate the brutal truth of reality. There is no fairness in the world and there is a hard fought battle to see it happen in gaming.

The double standard has nothing to do with this game or this community. It has to do with people in general. Their daily lives are filled with crap that would make you roll your eyes. Most people are jerks at least sometimes. We aren't getting any better when we go online. But defining your superiority, which is what you're doing, by referring to your play style is not a win. Its better to be a gentleman than to say "I kill everything I meet, period. I'm the more realistic pilot. You're all being babies."

Ba5tard5word
09-24-2008, 12:38 PM
This is why I don't have any interest in playing games online anymore. It's nothing but DRAMA.

DKoor
09-24-2008, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erkki_M:
However, I dont think those just do in a casual DF server. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>THose make up 99.99% online servers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
That are those servers with rules. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

crucislancer
09-24-2008, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
Did you know that WWII ended more than 60 years ago?
You seem like fighting it even today. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Got some good points above, but you seem to be way too stressed about them.
Flying online is mostly about objectives, but the friendship, comradship, and last, but not least, fun part is also good.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Most of those who fly IL2 online and whine about what others do are those who hold unrealistic double-standards, or are carrying unrealistic children's gaming chivalry over from their involvement in some D&D gaming, and most of those who whine about others are also those who are repeatedly shot down by them.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find this paragraph very amusing. D&D a role playing game. Someone like yourself, who berates others for their unrealistic chivalry that you don't think belongs in a WWII game, seems to want to play the game like a WWII fighter pilot. That is role playing, pure and simple.

And, as a D&D player for over 20 years, chivalry has it's place in the game, and the middle of battle is not it.

jayhall0315
09-24-2008, 04:22 PM
Not appropriate J.

WV

ElAurens
09-24-2008, 04:28 PM
If someone turns on their nav lights expecting a free pass from me they are sadly mistaken.

I ask no quarter and rarely give any.

Dustysquareback
09-24-2008, 04:36 PM
Afterhours is a TnB nooblet.

ImMoreBetter
09-24-2008, 04:45 PM
If you don't like us, just leave.

Sounds win-win to me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crucislancer
09-24-2008, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
If someone turns on their nav lights expecting a free pass from me they are sadly mistaken.

I ask no quarter and rarely give any. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think a lot of people are like that, I know I am, unless the server rules state otherwise.

WTE_Galway
09-24-2008, 05:28 PM
Where is RBJ when you need him?

People that insist on turn fighting in late war planes that are not meant for it are amusing.

Now THIS is a proper turn fight aircraft:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/b29e_800.jpg

Afterhours
09-24-2008, 05:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
Only problem I have online is those that circle an airfield waiting for someone to spawn and then they shoot them with there MG and canons continually. . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The airmen in WWII had a problem with it too, it happened all the time.

So we cap our bases or put AAA on them. This of course can be carried too far the other way, as in the case where some put land-locked destroyers next to their bases and then claim they are representing history.

Stingray333
09-24-2008, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Where is RBJ when you need him?

People that insist on turn fighting in late war planes that are not meant for it are amusing.

Now THIS is a proper turn fight aircraft:
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! Agreed, when I was a n00b (ha, who am I kidding, I am still a n00b), I was online, probably in a 109, and decided to get into a turn-fight with a bi-plane ("Who is this n000b flying a bi-plane???" I said to myself), anyhoo, needless to say I tried to turn with it, went into a stall/spin and got wasted.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Good times, but learned lesson, I leave those bi-planes alone now

Stingray

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-24-2008, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
This is why I don't have any interest in playing games online anymore. It's nothing but DRAMA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its only drama if you allow it to effect you.

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-24-2008, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
It is interesting to note the double-standards and childrens "gaming" chivalry that IL2 online pilots have which never existed in WWII.


Turn fighters will call energy fighters cowards. Energy fighters will call turn-fighters and ground-pounders newbs.

Those who fly at high altitude think they are better than those who fly at low altitude.

Those who ground-pound think their "craft" shooting static objects is most noble, but call fighter pilots who are firing at them, targets that move and CAN shoot back ignoble and newbs.

Vulching is a dirty word in IL2 online, but pilot after pilot switches their landing lights on to say that "no one can shoot at me now, I have my landing lights on".

In WWII there was some chivalry, a lot of pilots would not shoot at parachutes, but just as many would. Some pilots would let a hit enemy aircraft go home or even escort it part way, others would not even consider it.

The bottom line in WWII though is that it was war and it was no-holds barred. There is not anyone criticizing WWII aces for any actions they took, "vulching" etc., but they will criticize you for doing the same thing online not if they do it, but if you do it to them!

I know one WWII pilot who will not tell all the things he did or was involved with during WWII, he says the "public" would not understand or approve, but they had to be done to win the battle or war.
Some will call something an atrocity, others will say War is He11.

Most of those who fly IL2 online and whine about what others do are those who hold unrealistic double-standards, or are carrying unrealistic children's gaming chivalry over from their involvement in some D&D gaming, and most of those who whine about others are also those who are repeatedly shot down by them.

Some squads and servers will even go so far to impose their double standards on others that they will manipulate their servers maps and plane-sets to this end at the expense of historical accuracy.

When I fly online in your COOP or server with winning objectives, I am sorry I bring no child's gaming chivalry or double-standard with me. As in WWII, I will shoot your aircraft down, kill you and destroy your assets using every trick and method and opportunity you can imagine, and many you cannot or have not learned yet.

If besides your whining, you decide to sacrifice historical accuracy for your ego, then you are all the more a sad example. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The online experience you have will depend on which servers you fly in. Apparently you have been making some bad choices.

S!

WTE_Galway
09-24-2008, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
This is why I don't have any interest in playing games online anymore. It's nothing but DRAMA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its only drama if you allow it to effect you.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha .. I can see it now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes dear, I go online to have a calm relaxed detached time where nothing that happens effects me and I enter my "zen" state. No I don't now how the joystick ended up out the window. Must have been the dog.

Billy_DeLyon
09-24-2008, 07:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
This is why I don't have any interest in playing games online anymore. It's nothing but DRAMA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its only drama if you allow it to effect you.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha .. I can see it now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes dear, I go online to have a calm relaxed detached time where nothing that happens effects me and I enter my "zen" state. No I don't now how the joystick ended up out the window. Must have been the dog. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1 to Havok.

Maybe it depends on the server.. or the time of day.. but I find complaints here and in various other threads about the extent of whining and/or immature behavior online to be way exaggerated. To listen to some of these folks, you'd think it's constant. But it's been a negligible part of my online experience. In fact, that's one of the things that drew me to this sim: especially by comparison to some other games with online playablility, the crowd here is exceptionally mature.

Sure there are exceptions. I haven't found it that hard to ignore them. Worst case scenario, find another server. That's something I've done maybe two or three times in the past 18 months.

M_Gunz
09-24-2008, 07:24 PM
It's not that people who play online are all of one attitude and understanding.
Everyone online don't subscribe to the same ideas as everyone else.
Online gaming is not as regimented as military and still there were loose cannon actions in WWII.

Finding differences between players is something you can be sure of. It's easy.
Just because one player does something another would not doesn't bring the group down.
It just gives someone something to b!tch about, and then someone else uses that to troll with.

DrHerb
09-24-2008, 07:49 PM
Let me get this straight, Afterhours, you're the kinda guy who pretty much takes this computer game a little too personally and feels justified in ruining it for everyone else by orbiting around and shooting people before theyre able to at least have a chance of lifting off?

dude, you need to go out more often.

I repeat. In the end of it all this is a computer game, not real life. I think its pretty self centered of you to think that its ok to frustrate somebody who has a respawn button and wants to fly around and shoot stuff in a game.

Unfortunately there is no respawn button in real life, many dead pilots to prove that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Zeus-cat
09-24-2008, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In the end of it all this is a computer game, not real life. I think its pretty self centered of you to think that its ok to frustrate somebody who has a respawn button and wants to fly around and shoot stuff in a game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DrHerb nailed it. The rules, whether you like them or not, were created by the host to make the game as enjoyable as possible for the people playing. If you don't like the server rules go somewhere else. Or start your own server with YOUR rules. this is about having fun, not real life.

M_Gunz
09-24-2008, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Where is RBJ when you need him?

People that insist on turn fighting in late war planes that are not meant for it are amusing.

Now THIS is a proper turn fight aircraft:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/b29e_800.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really there's few planes in IL2 that are purely suited for turn or energy, and only because
no others are significantly better at it. Including turning biplanes.

Which style you would work, go for the quick kill or the energy-budget approach, depend on
how you in your plane matches to your enemy in the other plane if you don't know the pilot.

The faster plane will be better suited to e-fighting in general. T/W is what is desired
though but that varies with speed, with props it is high at turn and climb speeds and low
at high speeds. When one plane is slower than the other, the faster one enjoys more excess
power at high speeds for the slower one. At full speed for the slower one, the faster plane
still has excess. If he can go 10% faster then at 100% for the slower one, the faster on
is using 81% and has the rest available to climb, maneuver or accelerate.

The better turned will be better suited to turn-fighting in general. He don't deal with
top speed, don't need it. He turns hard and makes the shot, let em outrun bullets!
Typical fight where he wins: turn, etc, saddle up, turn, etc, kill with occasional shooting.

And the same plane may be both, it just means you get to choose on basis of planes alone.

A 109G-6 Late may be a good e-fighter against a Spit VB but not against a P-51D-5.

Tactics need to fit the situation as well. How you would face a P-47D in a 190A changes by
altitude. Above 6km is different than below.

And then there's pilots:
Maybe that's a good pilot in the faster plane but if he don't know anything but turn, turn,
saddle, ride, shoot then if your plane is similar or less turning, your best bet is energy
tactics even if his plane is faster than yours. He'll be busy trying to turn onto your six
ASAP that his speed advantage will be negated though he will have equal or better T/W at
the speeds he'll be flying, you have no advantage at those speeds even if you are equal.
You build an advantage in energy instead of relying on advantages in performance instead.

JtD
09-24-2008, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
Only problem I have online is those that circle an airfield waiting for someone to spawn and then they shoot them with there MG and canons continually. . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The airmen in WWII had a problem with it too, it happened all the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I've never before in my whole life heard that real WW2 pilots were spawning!

Dustysquareback
09-24-2008, 11:46 PM
Never heard of WW2 pilots spawning? I think the number of war-brides proves otherwise http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

M_Gunz
09-25-2008, 12:57 AM
Not to mention the number of strip clubs off base.

Gadje
09-25-2008, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doh!

I am reading your posts here and in other threads thinking... I recognise all of this hot air. Can't believe it took me so long to spot the style.
I suppose cause you got banned from here a couple of years ago you thought you wouldn't get clocked now. And I notice at your usual posting place someone suggested you post your regular mighty deeds threads elsewhere http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif.
Hopefully you have got your usual self-aggrandizement out the way in the last 2 weeks and you might post something of interest now.

Basically the arrogance won't wash when your nic is known. Your a pretty good 'loner' pilot but thats all, certainly not the 'Second Coming' as you imagine here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

And he is an IL2 old-timer btw.

FatCat_99
09-25-2008, 05:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gadje:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doh!

I am reading your posts here and in other threads thinking... I recognise all of this hot air. Can't believe it took me so long to spot the style.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is so obvious that I can't believe that you are the first one who figured out who is Afterhours although I see his post more as a weird sense of humor than arrogance.

He is just fishing, anybody who get angry at him is just another kill on his scoreboard. Summer is over, ther is not much to do around the house so he's up for some forum fun.


FC

Gadje
09-25-2008, 05:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Aye touche FC.

Dunno about the humour though. It comes over as pretty much a heavy, flat and boring attempt at preaching to me, complete with large 'chip on shoulder'. RBJ trolled with some pizzazz.

Bearcat99
09-25-2008, 06:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif .. and all this from the same guy who said

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">More newbs thinking that flying a real aircraft has anything to do with flying this sim........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Newbs need good luck charms and amulets like trim, prop-pitch, track IR, and other things to give them confidence.
Or when they get shot down they like to blame it on the fact that they DONT have track IR, or this or that to make themselves feel better about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have all the controls I need for combat right on my twisty stick, I don't have to move my hands or go to the keyboard in the heat of a dogfight.

I have trim and other controls that I don't use during combat on the keyboard.

Because I don't have to move my hands off the stick at all during a dogfight or some other busy time, it is a huge advantage. Also being able to have both hands on the stick at all times and not fiddling with throttles or some other junk makes the stick more stable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
track IR is a waste of time and money. All you need is a hat switch that is intelligently set up. See my I-16 vs 109f4 track in the "most difficult" thread for some expert hat-switching. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">[QUOTE]Originally posted by broseybrose: do most online players play without icons? [QUOTE]

Only the smart and good ones do. If you want to become a real ace, then make sure you pay attention to everything I say on this forum, and check out my tracks in the "most difficult" thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am eight, I started flying this sim when I was a bit over a year old.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Thank god, finally a newbie guide for newbies like me that is actually put together by a newb!

Much better than all the stuff around by those crochety old-timers that have flown the sim for several years....

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If the pilot is not around and still engaging that started the attack on the other aircraft, no matter how many engines is has, then shoot it out of the sky.

If the pilot is around who started the initial attack on the target and he is still engaging it, then let him do his job. YOUR job in that case is to cover him and look around for other threats.

Lots of aircraft in this sim will fly all the way home with an engine smoking or even flaming, so shoot them until you see them crash.

There will always be whining, many will whine if you shoot them down no matter what the circumstances, so ignore it and do your job.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A lot of IL2 virtual pilots have been flying this sim online under HARD or FULL_REAL settings since it was introduced almost seven years ago.

Five-seven years ago the graphics in IL2 itself were not near as good as now, and we had much, much worse computer hardware than there is now, BUT WE ALL FLEW HARD SETTINGS WITH NO ICONS AND THE COCKPIT ON WITH NO PROBLEMS.

If it was done easily several years ago then there is absolutely no good argument for flying on easy settings now, you all have better hardware and monitors than we had back then!

Sacrificing three quarters of the actual tactics used in WWII because some GAMER is too lazy to learn anything new or put some effort into flying as REAL WWII aces had to is a very poor excuse for flying the sim on easy settings.

ALL people are doing who say that easy settings are more realistic is protecting their lazy a$$es and mostly protecting their EGOS. They do not have the talent or drive to be the best, so they have to tear down those who are smart enough to easily fly the sim succesfully on hard settings online.

What is that? Your computer is not as good as your buddies or somebody elses? Then TOUGH $HIT! IN real life fighter pilots were not equal either, they all had varying degrees of eyesight. It is VERY EASY to find first-hand accounts of WWII fighter pilots talking about how much better the eyesight and aircraft-spotting ability was for the top pilots in their squadrons!

The different monitors and hardware we all use actually mimics this REAL_LIFE aspect of WWII and adds one more bit of realism to hard-settings, or full-real servers.

MOST WWII fighter pilots WERE NOT ACES, and most were shot down or killed relatively quickly. To whine because everyone flying this sim cannot be an ACE and have an equal chance at doing well flying it is very unintelligent, unrealistic and just plain $tupid.

So get over it! If you cannot cut it on hard settings then it is probably because you are not as smart or coordinated as those who do better than you. The really smart pilots, the ACES, FIGURE out methods and tactics to be successful flying on hard settings, just as real WWII aces had to and could. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you are smart and talented you will figure out how to do your job and stay alive, just as lots of IL2 pilots have been doing on hard settings for the last seven years.

If you are not smart and not talented, then you will be back here year after year whining about how easy settings are more realistic and about how bad a job Oleg did making this sim and all the aircraft in it.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

M_Gunz
09-25-2008, 06:57 AM
That's just forum trolling followed by attack. You have to other posts for context.
He don't heap BS till he's got a target to throw at.
If you can only run IL2 in 1024x768 then what do these advances mean to you?
Full switch does not equal exact reality.

Blutarski2004
09-25-2008, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
That's just forum trolling followed by attack. You have to other posts for context.
He don't heap BS till he's got a target to throw at.
If you can only run IL2 in 1024x768 then what do these advances mean to you?
Full switch does not equal exact reality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... When did Laszlo Toth start flying IL2?

pacettid
09-25-2008, 07:22 AM
After 27.5 years in the military, and eight years of playing this game, I always marvel at how close to real life it is...not the game, the people.

You get to see the entire cross section of society when you fly online. They're all there:
- The team players
- The lone wolves
- The elitists
- The egotistical predators
- The chivalrous
- The whiners - RED and Blue
- The reckless
- The calculating
- The careful, the devil may care and the anal retentive
- The nationalists, the socialists, and the anarchists
- The oldtimers and the noobs
- And last but not least - The Trolls

ROFLMAO...Want to know what the personality of the people were like who flew in WWII? They were the same type of folks that can be found on Hyperlobby every, single day. Big difference was...no respawn http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Low_Flyer_MkIX
09-25-2008, 07:25 AM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Advice_sig.jpg

Feathered_IV
09-25-2008, 11:36 AM
That WAAF has an erection...

rnzoli
09-25-2008, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacettid:
ROFLMAO...Want to know what the personality of the people were like who flew in WWII? They were the same type of folks that can be found on Hyperlobby every, single day. Big difference was...no respawn http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Probably true, although I think the actual mix was different.
For example the lack of re-spawn meant that reckless people were in smaller percentage in WWII, than on HL,if you know what I mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Nature's way of sorting them out... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

HuninMunin
09-25-2008, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif .. and all this from the same guy who said

[...]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Whirlin_merlin
09-25-2008, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
That WAAF has an erection... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you blame her W/Cdr W. Tell is hot! I'm mean check out his manly 'tash.

squareusr
09-25-2008, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrHerb:
Unfortunately there is no respawn button in real life, many dead pilots to prove that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, that only proves that they had enough of all the drama and chose not to use that button

M_Gunz
09-25-2008, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
That's just forum trolling followed by attack. You have to other posts for context.
He don't heap BS till he's got a target to throw at.
If you can only run IL2 in 1024x768 then what do these advances mean to you?
Full switch does not equal exact reality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... When did Laszlo Toth start flying IL2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Laszlo who?

WTE_Galway
09-25-2008, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:


Laszlo who? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Novello

snafu73
09-25-2008, 06:16 PM
Isn't that Leon Redbone???

Afterhours
09-26-2008, 09:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif .. and all this from the same guy who said

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">More newbs thinking that flying a real aircraft has anything to do with flying this sim........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Newbs need good luck charms and amulets like trim, prop-pitch, track IR, and other things to give them confidence.
Or when they get shot down they like to blame it on the fact that they DONT have track IR, or this or that to make themselves feel better about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have all the controls I need for combat right on my twisty stick, I don't have to move my hands or go to the keyboard in the heat of a dogfight.

I have trim and other controls that I don't use during combat on the keyboard.

Because I don't have to move my hands off the stick at all during a dogfight or some other busy time, it is a huge advantage. Also being able to have both hands on the stick at all times and not fiddling with throttles or some other junk makes the stick more stable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
track IR is a waste of time and money. All you need is a hat switch that is intelligently set up. See my I-16 vs 109f4 track in the "most difficult" thread for some expert hat-switching. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">[QUOTE]Originally posted by broseybrose: do most online players play without icons? [QUOTE]

Only the smart and good ones do. If you want to become a real ace, then make sure you pay attention to everything I say on this forum, and check out my tracks in the "most difficult" thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am eight, I started flying this sim when I was a bit over a year old.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Thank god, finally a newbie guide for newbies like me that is actually put together by a newb!

Much better than all the stuff around by those crochety old-timers that have flown the sim for several years....

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If the pilot is not around and still engaging that started the attack on the other aircraft, no matter how many engines is has, then shoot it out of the sky.

If the pilot is around who started the initial attack on the target and he is still engaging it, then let him do his job. YOUR job in that case is to cover him and look around for other threats.

Lots of aircraft in this sim will fly all the way home with an engine smoking or even flaming, so shoot them until you see them crash.

There will always be whining, many will whine if you shoot them down no matter what the circumstances, so ignore it and do your job.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A lot of IL2 virtual pilots have been flying this sim online under HARD or FULL_REAL settings since it was introduced almost seven years ago.

Five-seven years ago the graphics in IL2 itself were not near as good as now, and we had much, much worse computer hardware than there is now, BUT WE ALL FLEW HARD SETTINGS WITH NO ICONS AND THE COCKPIT ON WITH NO PROBLEMS.

If it was done easily several years ago then there is absolutely no good argument for flying on easy settings now, you all have better hardware and monitors than we had back then!

Sacrificing three quarters of the actual tactics used in WWII because some GAMER is too lazy to learn anything new or put some effort into flying as REAL WWII aces had to is a very poor excuse for flying the sim on easy settings.

ALL people are doing who say that easy settings are more realistic is protecting their lazy a$$es and mostly protecting their EGOS. They do not have the talent or drive to be the best, so they have to tear down those who are smart enough to easily fly the sim succesfully on hard settings online.

What is that? Your computer is not as good as your buddies or somebody elses? Then TOUGH $HIT! IN real life fighter pilots were not equal either, they all had varying degrees of eyesight. It is VERY EASY to find first-hand accounts of WWII fighter pilots talking about how much better the eyesight and aircraft-spotting ability was for the top pilots in their squadrons!

The different monitors and hardware we all use actually mimics this REAL_LIFE aspect of WWII and adds one more bit of realism to hard-settings, or full-real servers.

MOST WWII fighter pilots WERE NOT ACES, and most were shot down or killed relatively quickly. To whine because everyone flying this sim cannot be an ACE and have an equal chance at doing well flying it is very unintelligent, unrealistic and just plain $tupid.

So get over it! If you cannot cut it on hard settings then it is probably because you are not as smart or coordinated as those who do better than you. The really smart pilots, the ACES, FIGURE out methods and tactics to be successful flying on hard settings, just as real WWII aces had to and could. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you are smart and talented you will figure out how to do your job and stay alive, just as lots of IL2 pilots have been doing on hard settings for the last seven years.

If you are not smart and not talented, then you will be back here year after year whining about how easy settings are more realistic and about how bad a job Oleg did making this sim and all the aircraft in it.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


So Bearcat, are you trying to make a point by posting a long list of the FACTS and THE TRUTH?

Good job getting all that together, you should put all those together at the top of the forum as a stickie.....

Afterhours
09-26-2008, 10:01 PM
The point I strive to make to this confederacy in anything I say, is this:

IL2 is a WWII flight simulation, as Oleg Maddox states on the front of the box it comes in.

If you will it to and so, and let it give all it can, it can be just that, a WWII flight sim.

When you ignore features built into the sim, and when you ignore WWII history when using it, then it is no longer a sim, and you are no longer a simmer, at that point IL2 becomes a game, and you become a gamer.

There is nothing wrong with being a simmer, and there is nothing wrong with being a gamer,

But when a gamer claims he is a simmer, because he is lying to himself, and bu11****ting everyone else, then he absolutely is wrong and he is a negative facet of society.

That is the only man I will call out.

M_Gunz
09-26-2008, 11:10 PM
You can't see the inconsistencies in your own BS, or just refuse to admit them.

JtD
09-27-2008, 12:08 AM
It's a flight simulation game. If it wasn't you wouldn't get it in a shop in the computer games department.

If you think that "gamers" and "simmers" are black and white, you're wrong. Nothing in this world is a black and white issue.

GIAP.Shura
09-27-2008, 01:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Nothing in this world is a black and white issue. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Marmite is. It is the excrement of the devil. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkIX
09-27-2008, 01:06 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I like it. Does that make me a Satanic sh*t eater? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Aaron_GT
09-27-2008, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Vulching is a dirty word in IL2 online, but pilot after pilot switches their landing lights on to say that "no one can shoot at me now, I have my landing lights on". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I turn my landing lights on online to signal to my own side that I am coming in to land as we don't have air traffic control and I've had to abort all too often at the last minute, and sometimes you are too damaged to abort. In those instances I sometimes put on wingtip smoke too. If the opposition wishes to vulch me then so be it.

What would be nice is some better system for air traffic control (e.g. on spawn it tells you to use a certain runway for takeoff, another for landing). You can yell over teamspeak but it doesn't make it clear which field you are at and no good if someone isn't on teamspeak. So until that time I use landing lights and hope someone leaves me a spare runway.

buzzsaw1939
09-27-2008, 06:28 AM
Be careful Aaron, your going to confuse people with that common sense stuff! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Da_Godfatha
09-27-2008, 06:45 AM
Why is it , that when someone tells the TRUTH, he or she gets bashed and told to,

1. LEAVE
2. STFU
3. YOU IS A n00B, BE SURE!

or my all-time favorite,

4. GET A LIFE!

Yes, it is a game. But a game that simluates war. Alot of what he says happens on the so-called "Full-Real" servers. Full Real? What a fooking joke. "We are honorable and Full-Real Squadron, oh btw, don't vulch!" It is called strafing n00b, not vulching.

As some posters said, I ask no quarter and give none. If I can shoot your goat-smeller on the runway, I will. If your server is too, how should I say it, STUPID, to use top cover or put Triple-A around it, pffft, who cares, I will rape your base as long as I have ammo. Honor? Most of the people who throw that word around here does not know the meaning of it. Does the drama about the Mods ring a bell?

As they said Afterhours, find a new server. But again as some posters pointed out, 99% of all servers are the kiddie wannabe AirQuake(tm) type. That`s why I very rarely fly onwhine any more. The DRAMA from the heroes got on my nerves.

Ok, Ok, blast away boys. Throw mud and tell me I have problems. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

GF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

JtD
09-27-2008, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:

Ok, Ok, blast away boys. Throw mud and tell me I have problems. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No fun if you already know you do.

M_Gunz
09-27-2008, 07:07 AM
Tell us all how realistic it is to have both sides airfields less than 20 miles apart and
manned only when someone feel like being there.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Key issues in simulation include acquisition of valid source information about the referent, selection of key characteristics and behaviours, the use of simplifying approximations and assumptions within the simulation, and fidelity and validity of the simulation outcomes.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And where the reality is NOT faithfully simulated you have to put up with some difference.
If the difference goes towards filling that gap then it is better than none.

NOT as real: opposing airfields very close together, sporadically manned with no AA to save
on frame rates.

HOW to make up to some degree: not allowing vulching or team kills.

DOWNSIDE: c.r.a.p. w-a-n-k-e-r-s looking for easy kills think that it's realistic to vulch
(a community term but then the c-w's don't recognize that either) regardless of the situation.

The real LOL is that these same c-w's will beat their chests, proclaim themselves real and
dump all over anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Want to say who's a gamer then look to the point-*****s since points are the essence of games.

Aaron_GT
09-27-2008, 07:42 AM
Whilst vulching and airfield attacks went on M_Gunz has a good point - the chances of you being vulched when landing in WW2 were likely far lower than they are on a dogfight server. Even in the USSR or in Normandy when sometimes front line airfields were quite close together I would still guess than vulching was less frequent, partly because it would be hard to predict when aircraft might be returning to base, and when they did it would tend to be en masse, whereas on a dogfight server there is a constant stream so you can be pretty much assured of a vulching target.

If you look at the number of kills (admittedly at night, so more difficult) by RAF Intruder and Luftwaffe intruder missions in WW2 the number of kills was small in terms of a fraction of returning aircraft.

What would be more realistic would be organised strikes on airfields, and bizzarely old Warbirds and Aces High are probably more accurate here than the typical dogfight scenario.

For a more realistic experience you need well-planned coops.

luftluuver
09-27-2008, 08:20 AM
RayBanJockey has returned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Afterhours
09-27-2008, 08:51 AM
GUNZ,

If you want to talk about what is REAL and what is not:

I will KNOW that I am a REAL loser, when after only 570 days(number of days since you registered), I have 4280 posts(like you do), or an average of 7.5 per day!

You are in a wheelchair right?

Blutarski2004
09-27-2008, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... When did Laszlo Toth start flying IL2?[/QUOTE]

Laszlo who?[/QUOTE]


..... Go here - http://www.sullivansfarms.net/s1dneycom/lazlo/


Do you remember Father Guido Sarducci, Vatican legate to SNL?

Blutarski2004
09-27-2008, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
RayBanJockey has returned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Zackly! I recognized the logo/avatar. We now have a high quality troll back with us. About time!

M_Gunz
09-27-2008, 09:31 AM
The ZOO - by "popular" remand.

Popular meaning that trolls get multiple votes.

Next thread: where have all the good members gone?

Feathered_IV
09-27-2008, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
RayBanJockey has returned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Zackly! I recognized the logo/avatar. We now have a high quality troll back with us. About time! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<STRIKE>My God, you're right! Nobody else could possibly be using that avatar could they?</STRIKE>


Is rearly not him - be sure!


This message has been edited. Last edited by: Oleg_Maddox (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2040) , Today 09:08

JG52Uther
09-27-2008, 09:57 AM
Whatever,its pathetic.

Bearcat99
09-27-2008, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So Bearcat, are you trying to make a point by posting a long list of the FACTS and THE TRUTH? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most of what I quoted above is opinion and conjecture at best.. Therefore it is entirely open to the iterpretation of each individual.. particularly the parts about stick settings & peripherals.. and Guns was right... while there were cases especially in Germany during the end of the war where pilots were "vulched" in most cases these were more incidents of opportunity.. From what I understand no pilots went straight to an enemy base to wait on a perch and try to catch them taking off unless the mission parameters called for a strike on the airbase.. Usually a pilot would spot a starggler on his way home.. and pounce.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
GUNZ,
If you want to talk about what is REAL and what is not:

I will KNOW that I am a REAL loser, when after only 570 days(number of days since you registered), I have 4280 posts(like you do), or an average of 7.5 per day!
You are in a wheelchair right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


A person will know they are a real looser when they begin to fix their heads to the notion that post count applies to anything of real relevance outside of the context of what is being posted.

From where I sit as far as posts go quality is more important than quantity.. Ten posts of good infiormatuion out weighs 1000 posts of BS every day... at least in my opinion.. but hey... I'm a Track IR, trim using noob.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Aaron_GT
09-27-2008, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">From what I understand no pilots went straight to an enemy base to wait on a perch and try to catch them taking off </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was done on some occasions, but not commonly in an organised way, and the occasions it was done are worthy of note as they were so uncommon.

The RAF night Intruder (capitalised as this has a specific RAF definition in this context*) missions with Mosquitos did this. The Luftwaffe did something similar using Me 410s at the same time. The fact that it was at night was important as it meant a low chance of interception or AAA interference to the Intruder/intruder.

The other instance I am aware of was the use of Tempest Vs to catch landing Me-262s. However losses of Tempest Vs were so great on these missions (the bases had greater than average flak) it lasted about a week before being abandoned. There were other shoot downs of landing Me 262s but these were generally on an ad hoc basis. The Tempest V instance is the only one I know of deliberately planned and orchestrated attacks on landing 262s as routine.

* In most nations the word intruder (or local equivalent) also covered night missions involving targets of opportunity, but in RAF parlance these were Night Rangers, not Intruder missions. A Night Ranger might conceivably include an attack on an airfield and enemy aircraft landing might be shot down as a result, but the attack would be on the airfield rather than the aircraft. With an Intruder the actual aircraft were the definite target.

M_Gunz
09-27-2008, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
GUNZ,

If you want to talk about what is REAL and what is not:

I will KNOW that I am a REAL loser, when after only 570 days(number of days since you registered), I have 4280 posts(like you do), or an average of 7.5 per day!

You are in a wheelchair right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay so you don't know what a crass LOSER you really are. What a surprise.

You just keep guessing about me and don't forget to count the posts you make under your other
logins.

Here's yet another post to frustrate your need to keep up.

I_KG100_Prien
09-27-2008, 01:55 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/gerekeh/duel.gif


Historical accuracy..

Lots of us "dig it". But look at the truth of it- First thing- we are sitting at computers playing with a digital representation.

Secondly lots of us don't have the time availability to fly missions that take 8+ hours, or spend a 12 hour period flying sortie after sortie in a close combat environment. Lots of things prevent us from doing it "as it was"

Where we make up for it is by doing it in a fashion that recreates how it was really done as best as we can. Some fly in squads and follow procedures and use team tactics to overcome the opponent. There is emphasis on overall mission completion over individual glory.

So the points about doing it 100% historically being impossible stand true. It's just down to the player base to decide how to make up for limitations that are there due to the nature of the program- and our non-virtual lives.


But- bullshido aside, our troll here does make some valid points about what you often times see on the average Dogfight server (Yes, even the ones that sport "full switch" difficulty).

Which is people taking off one by one to go lone wolf it. The maps have ground objectives which sometimes barely get touched. You look at the pilot list and you see a bunch of fighters with the odd bomber/mudmover thrown in. You see on occasion (depending on when you can be online to fly) see a percentage of pilots acting as wingmen. Occasionally you can see people working to complete the objectives as outlined in the mission brief.

There are tons of furballs. Kill stealing arguments, shoulder shooting, pumping rounds into a flaming plane because that's not good enough- the wing needs to come off for it to be a "good kill".

Taking off with 25% fuel NOT because you are trying to simulate fuel burned in transit to the objective airspace.. But because you know it gives you an edge in a dogfight.

Diving headlong into situations that put you in max danger of being shot down- Because you know there really isn't anything at stake- Aside from blows to an ego, or a dent in pointless "Stats" to put on a signature for internet forums.

Paying close attention to your "score". How many points can I rack up? How many kills can I get? Who cares about the "ground objectives" those are for weenies.. I need to prove my skills in singular combat. *I* want to be a fighter ace!

All of it is there. We've all seen it. We've done it. (This is a collective thing, not pointing out individuals but the community as a whole). Don't B.S and think that every poster here is the chivalrous knight of the sky who always does it "right".


There is a lot of arrogant bravado that goes right along with BOTH SIDES of the argument.

ElAurens
09-27-2008, 02:27 PM
You know, often times I have left a server with the high point total simply from accomplishing the ground attack objective. While the "Aces" *cough* play at being Hartmann, I quietly go about my job of attriting the enemy on the ground, often totally unmolested.

So you "Aces" please continue what you are doing, just the way you are doing it.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I_KG100_Prien
09-27-2008, 02:40 PM
It can be so rare, but so satisfying to actually receive escort while flying a bomber.

Not long ago I was on a bombing run in a 111 and I saw a lone 109 perched above me. I was attacked three times on my way to target and survived each one because that 109 pilot was on the spot with pouncing on them and chasing them away. Each time he dutifully came back and assumed his position.

This allowed me to actually make it to the target to drop my payload. It felt good.

The flip side to the coin is had those attacking fighters been in pairs, a lone escort wouldn't have mattered.

josephs1959
09-27-2008, 02:57 PM
Some squads and servers will even go so far to impose their double standards on others that they will manipulate their servers maps and plane-sets to this end at the expense of historical accuracy.

Thank you for pointing that out!

Badsight-
09-27-2008, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
GUNZ,

If you want to talk about what is REAL and what is not:

I will KNOW that I am a REAL loser, when after only 570 days(number of days since you registered), I have 4280 posts(like you do), or an average of 7.5 per day!

You are in a wheelchair right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Afterhours:
Posts: 59 | Registered: Thu September 18 2008

in just 10 days you have 59 posts ?

Aaron_GT
09-27-2008, 03:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Not long ago I was on a bombing run in a 111 and I saw a lone 109 perched above me. I was attacked three times on my way to target and survived each one because that 109 pilot was on the spot with pouncing on them and chasing them away. Each time he dutifully came back and assumed his position. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a reason why I am giving online a rest as that happens so rarely and I prefer to fly the twin engined bombers but it can be a fruitless exercise in a DF server with no winging.

One of the nice little features in Aces High was the ability to create a mission people would see on entry so that could then fill up and launch with a reasonable number with a decent mix of bombers, escorts etc. It probably only works when you have 200 in a server. I suppose the equivalent is coops in HL, and that might be a better system in some ways.

Von_Rat
09-27-2008, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afterhours:
GUNZ,

If you want to talk about what is REAL and what is not:

I will KNOW that I am a REAL loser, when after only 570 days(number of days since you registered), I have 4280 posts(like you do), or an average of 7.5 per day!

You are in a wheelchair right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay so you don't know what a crass LOSER you really are. What a surprise.

You just keep guessing about me and don't forget to count the posts you make under your other
logins.

Here's yet another post to frustrate your need to keep up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


+1

don't let him get to you gunz.

even if i sometimes disagree with you, your posts are usually very informative, unlike his which from what i can see are usually just fishing expeditions.

Blutarski2004
09-27-2008, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
RayBanJockey has returned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Zackly! I recognized the logo/avatar. We now have a high quality troll back with us. About time! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<STRIKE>My God, you're right! Nobody else could possibly be using that avatar could they?</STRIKE>


Is rearly not him - be sure!


This message has been edited. Last edited by: Oleg_Maddox (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2040) , Today 09:08 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... FF, I think you are right. RBJ showed a lot more class and humor than this dufus. The wheelchair comment was pathetically beneath contempt.

M_Gunz
09-27-2008, 09:43 PM
Hell, I don't even need a cane yet! (information part)

And this is just another post in my huuuuuuge (as if I cared) post count!
I'm beginning to think that the troll has gone all jealous.
(parting shots part)

WTE_Galway
09-28-2008, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Whilst vulching and airfield attacks went on M_Gunz has a good point - the chances of you being vulched when landing in WW2 were likely far lower than they are on a dogfight server. Even in the USSR or in Normandy when sometimes front line airfields were quite close together I would still guess than vulching was less frequent, partly because it would be hard to predict when aircraft might be returning to base, and when they did it would tend to be en masse, whereas on a dogfight server there is a constant stream so you can be pretty much assured of a vulching target.

If you look at the number of kills (admittedly at night, so more difficult) by RAF Intruder and Luftwaffe intruder missions in WW2 the number of kills was small in terms of a fraction of returning aircraft.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually vulching on landing was one of the preferred tactics of the Boulton Paul Defiant as a night fighter.

They apparently liked to fly under the bomber as it came in dirty with flaps out and gear down and then pop up directly in front of it and shoot the pilot in the face with the turrent.

M_Gunz
09-28-2008, 09:45 PM
What? Come in down under and through the downwash of a bomber at flaps down attitude and speed?
Just to get in front?

WTE_Galway
09-28-2008, 11:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
What? Come in down under and through the downwash of a bomber at flaps down attitude and speed?
Just to get in front? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have seen it mentioned more than once.

Remember that finals for a bomber like the he111 start a long way out and at quite a high attitude.

Also the Defiant turret could not fire downwards or forwards so attacks were always from slightly below and usually to one side or in front of the target.

Aaron_GT
09-29-2008, 02:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Actually vulching on landing was one of the preferred tactics of the Boulton Paul Defiant as a night fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The number of such sorties was small - most were flying over the UK. Even then intercepts were small, and even then the Defiant was the most successful British nightfighter of 1941.

Hurricane IIs were also used ad hoc as intruders.

Night intrusion only really got going with No. 23 whose remit was night intrusion from 1941, initially with Blenheims (which was used as a night fighter from 1941) then Bostons and finally Mosquitos (from Malta).

Even so, the rate of intercepts as a fraction of successful landings by the Luftwaffe bombers was much smaller than you see on a DF server.

M_Gunz
09-29-2008, 05:56 AM
Is vulching historically realistic?

Did WWII pilots go out alone and fly around an enemy airbase waiting for enemy pilots to pop
up from the ground unaware of enemy presence and take off just to be shot down by the glorious
lone vulture? Was WWII so sp****ly manned and yet new planes always ready to use?
Any EXCUSE to ruin someone else's good time will do for a bored little sociopath I guess.

If you put anywhere near the activity let alone the AA as was used, framerate drops and lag
grows. NOT exactly history. Time to say what the goal of any particular server is.
Remember you're at someone else's party, you don't like it then leave. Proving that you are
an a-hole is not required unless perhaps you are a mental case, closet or otherwise.

So some servers have rules to avoid the ridiculous and yet there's "those" who have to invoke
"historic" to play their a-hole games even though one in particular has posted more than once
about the differences between online and historic but then that WAS for other purposes. I'm
guessing that there's a 'rule' where a troll post only counts for what trolling it was made
and we're all supposed to respect that, unlike server rules that haven't been troll-approved.

After-hours
09-29-2008, 07:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
NOT as real: opposing airfields very close together, sporadically manned with no AA to save
on frame rates.

HOW to make up to some degree: not allowing vulching or team kills.T </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gunz is making one more double-standard for the sim.

He says it is OK to make up for bases being too close together by banning vulching right?

Now in his last post to this thread, he says it is unrealistic to have a lone aircraft vulch a base because WWII was not so sp****ly populated.

BUT online servers ARE much less populated than WWII, so when flying IL2 online, one aircraft represents more than one aircraft to "make-up" for something that is "not as real".

If there is only one blue and one red aircraft on a map, then they each represent the entire squadrons that were operating in that theater of combat during WWII.

So in fact, when in an online dogfight server you are attacking an airbase, you are actually representing an attack by more than one aircraft!

If you make one compromise you cannot criticize any other.




P.S. To whom it may concern, my total posts under different login names such as Afterhours, Jumoschwanz, etc. were 944 posts over 1537 days, which comes to just 1.6 posts per day, a far cry from Gunz 7.5 per day average in one third the time. Again, WOW.

Feathered_IV
09-29-2008, 08:02 AM
I love this guy. So refreshing to have some truly world-class tossers here again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

M_Gunz
09-29-2008, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by After-hours:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
NOT as real: opposing airfields very close together, sporadically manned with no AA to save
on frame rates.

HOW to make up to some degree: not allowing vulching or team kills.T </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gunz is making one more double-standard for the sim.

He says it is OK to make up for bases being too close together by banning vulching right?

Now in his last post to this thread, he says it is unrealistic to have a lone aircraft vulch a base because WWII was not so sp****ly populated.

BUT online servers ARE much less populated than WWII, so when flying IL2 online, one aircraft represents more than one aircraft to "make-up" for something that is "not as real".

If there is only one blue and one red aircraft on a map, then they each represent the entire squadrons that were operating in that theater of combat during WWII.

So in fact, when in an online dogfight server you are attacking an airbase, you are actually representing an attack by more than one aircraft!

If you make one compromise you cannot criticize any other. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The server owner gets to say what the rules are. Not some little tosser troll.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> P.S. To whom it may concern, my total posts under different login names such as Afterhours, Jumoschwanz, etc. were 944 posts over 1537 days, which comes to just 1.6 posts per day, a far cry from Gunz 7.5 per day average in one third the time. Again, WOW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The things a troll will dig and try to make something out of. Future politician material.
Really fixated on that aren't you? It's the shiny thing to your inner ******, aka yourself.

CaliCheese3
09-29-2008, 09:46 AM
Ok, Ok... I think I have found a solution to Afterhours' problem, It's a bit old fashioned but it seems to always get results.

Go out and find a female... fe-male, you have about a 50/50 chance of finding one if you go outside. But make sure that it's a women because you don't want to be getting into the swing of things and find out your new lady friend comes equipped with a torpedo and a set of bombs, if you catch my drift, that could really ruin your day!!!

If you have done your search correctly and found a female, I'm sure she would be absolutely greatful to hear about your "twisty stick". Of course one thing will lead to another and then you will realize what a pointless endeavor your forum topic really is. You will see that it's just a game and that there are better things in life than ranting about a simulation.

You can go ask any WW2 soldier, sailor, airmen, or marine about what they were thinking of when they were not on a mission or planning one I'm sure 99% will tell you "Home,Family...and Women!!!" They would probably also tell you that a key to survival was to not let the war get to your head, just go out do your job and come home...

You my friend have let this game get to your head, so break off and come home...

Blutarski2004
09-29-2008, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by After-hours:
P.S. To whom it may concern, my total posts under different login names such as Afterhours, Jumoschwanz, etc. were 944 posts over 1537 days, which comes to just 1.6 posts per day, a far cry from Gunz 7.5 per day average in one third the time. Again, WOW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Here's a real WOW - Someone insane enough to think that anyone has an iota of interest in anyone else's posting frquency. I think this deserves some sort of an award for waste of good bandwidth.

joeap
09-29-2008, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
I love this guy. So refreshing to have some truly world-class tossers here again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Aaron_GT
09-29-2008, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He says it is OK to make up for bases being too close together by banning vulching right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have said it is more that given that the map sizes can't be changed and they are small then other accomodations are required. It would hep on DF servers if they put the bases further apart, though, in some instances. On a full real server you'd hope to see that at a historical density.

Many things in the sim are a compromise - e.g. only a tiny field of vision, short throw sticks, no sensation of G, no downside if you crash or are shot down, no physical fatigue, etc, etc. If you are going to go the whole hog you'd be living on a diet of spam and dried eggs...

M_Gunz
09-29-2008, 02:27 PM
He makes his own rules. How many logins?

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-29-2008, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
He makes his own rules. How many logins? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

None now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif the old accounts he admits to above were previously banned so now they all are.

Von_Rat
09-29-2008, 04:39 PM
hoisted on his own petard so to speak.


he really didnt know when to shutup did he. lol

blairgowrie
09-29-2008, 05:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
hoisted on his own petard so to speak.


he really didnt know when to shutup did he. lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't know this guy but I have just looked at some of his posts over at CWOS. He seems to make it a habit of hoisting on his own petard LOL. I won't be inviting him to any of my dinner parties.

julian265
09-29-2008, 05:17 PM
ROFL

M_Gunz
09-29-2008, 05:48 PM
He probably got tired of that login and more than a couple members ****ging his BS.
After all, what good is an act like that without the recognition?

A 'case' like that will just get more determined, might even try stealth before unleashing
the full power of his 2 watt intellect driven by a 1000 watt ego on us yet again. All that
waste heat between the two, it can't be good.

blairgowrie
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
Ego + totally antisocial I think M_Gunz.

M_Gunz
09-29-2008, 06:30 PM
About like a typical Jr. High self-reject striking back at the world?

Well, we still have **********.


No, no, and no Gunz.
WV

Von_Rat
09-29-2008, 10:00 PM
wow gunz i dunno what you said but it must of been a doozy.

Tab_Flettner
09-29-2008, 10:15 PM
"So refreshing to have some truly world-class tossers here again."

Donald Dinnie, born in 1837 and still a champion in 1890, was the best tosser of modern times.

Bearcat99
09-29-2008, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by After-hours:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
NOT as real: opposing airfields very close together, sporadically manned with no AA to save
on frame rates.

HOW to make up to some degree: not allowing vulching or team kills.T </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gunz is making one more double-standard for the sim.

He says it is OK to make up for bases being too close together by banning vulching right?

Now in his last post to this thread, he says it is unrealistic to have a lone aircraft vulch a base because WWII was not so sp****ly populated.

BUT online servers ARE much less populated than WWII, so when flying IL2 online, one aircraft represents more than one aircraft to "make-up" for something that is "not as real".

If there is only one blue and one red aircraft on a map, then they each represent the entire squadrons that were operating in that theater of combat during WWII.

So in fact, when in an online dogfight server you are attacking an airbase, you are actually representing an attack by more than one aircraft!

If you make one compromise you cannot criticize any other.




P.S. To whom it may concern, my total posts under different login names such as Afterhours, Jumoschwanz, etc. were 944 posts over 1537 days, which comes to just 1.6 posts per day, a far cry from Gunz 7.5 per day average in one third the time. Again, WOW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PSS.. you were banned by one moderator two day7s ago.. if you show up here again before that ban is lifted your IP will be blocked from this site..

Oh.. I see that others have arrived on the scen before me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Feathered_IV
09-30-2008, 03:17 AM
So does this mean I can disregard those PM's telling me to lay off the true and recently returned RBJ?

M_Gunz
09-30-2008, 05:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
wow gunz i dunno what you said but it must of been a doozy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But not to be repeated. Probably not even in PM at this point.

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-30-2008, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
So does this mean I can disregard those PM's telling me to lay off the true and recently returned RBJ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If that guy was RBJ I'll eat my track-hat! It was a weakly perpetrated attempt to borrow past glory for equally weak attempts to troll, lol.