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AI-1
10-30-2005, 12:34 AM
The majority know that pulling high-g turns result in blackout, often resulting in mole like behaviour for the TnB folk and upsetting the local farmers. Hopefully most also know that the effects of g-forces are cumulative (don't wish to assume). AFAIK about 7g was usually the limit in WWII era, but continual manouvres involving 4/5g will have the same effect (but don't quote me on the figures).

Does anyone know if cumulative effects are modelled in FB/ PF? If they're not, and if they could be, I think it would have quite a significant impact on the way TnB fights are fought and on the way some use hard erractic 'jinking' to avoid being hit with a bandit on the six.

Anyone?

Regards

AI-1

AI-1
10-30-2005, 12:34 AM
The majority know that pulling high-g turns result in blackout, often resulting in mole like behaviour for the TnB folk and upsetting the local farmers. Hopefully most also know that the effects of g-forces are cumulative (don't wish to assume). AFAIK about 7g was usually the limit in WWII era, but continual manouvres involving 4/5g will have the same effect (but don't quote me on the figures).

Does anyone know if cumulative effects are modelled in FB/ PF? If they're not, and if they could be, I think it would have quite a significant impact on the way TnB fights are fought and on the way some use hard erractic 'jinking' to avoid being hit with a bandit on the six.

Anyone?

Regards

AI-1

HayateAce
10-30-2005, 01:05 AM
Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........

AI-1
10-30-2005, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AFAIK a barrel roll doesn't necessarily involve high-g.

Regards

AI-1

Tully__
10-30-2005, 01:16 AM
It's modelled.

The base threshold is about 5G IIRC. If you pull just over that you'll take some time to fully black out. If you go straight to 9 or 10 G you'll black out almost instantly.

Similarly, if you've recently been blacked out and only just recovered, it takes very little G over the threshold to return you to a blacked out state.

I think this accounts for some of the complaints from online pilots about enemy aircraft shooting them while they're blacked out. They see someone creeping up behind them and "panic pull" on the stick. This puts them way over the threshold and quickly renders them unable to control the plane. The pilot behind is flying with the blackout threshold in mind and crosses the 5G threshold much more carefully. This gives the following pilot several seconds to make the shot and ease off without losing control http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AI-1
10-30-2005, 01:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
It's modelled.

The base threshold is about 5G IIRC. If you pull just over that you'll take some time to fully black out. If you go straight to 9 or 10 G you'll black out almost instantly.

Similarly, if you've recently been blacked out and only just recovered, it takes very little G over the threshold to return you to a blacked out state.

I think this accounts for some of the complaints from online pilots about enemy aircraft shooting them while they're blacked out. They see someone creeping up behind them and "panic pull" on the stick. This puts them way over the threshold and quickly renders them unable to control the plane. The pilot behind is flying with the blackout threshold in mind and crosses the 5G threshold much more carefully. This gives the following pilot several seconds to make the shot and ease off without losing control http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for clarifying Tully http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Regards

AI-1

Xiolablu3
10-30-2005, 08:40 AM
Some good info there Tully thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG5_UnKle
10-30-2005, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO! He manages a yankwhine about the 109 without any reference in the thread.

Bravo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

p1ngu666
10-30-2005, 09:09 AM
he means stick stearing, where it looks like u are following a epleptic pilot. barrel rolls should be okish.

bnz guys only want phyical things from tnb modeled, but not stuff from flying at high alt ofcourse...

Taylortony
10-30-2005, 09:33 AM
It was strangely the reason why Bader was good, because he had no legs the centre of his body was higher and unlike other pilots that pulled High G the blood could not pool in his lower legs, therefore he was able to withstand G's that would black most pilots out... It gave him his edge in high G manouevers.......

Do we have red outs modelled?

JG5_UnKle
10-30-2005, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taylortony:
Do we have red outs modelled? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep

Low_Flyer_MkII
10-30-2005, 09:45 AM
Is this a good time to ask if G-Suits are modelled for late war USAAF pilots?

SithSpeeder
10-30-2005, 11:07 AM
Can we get one legged pilots modelled? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Whenever I look in my IL2/PF cockpit, I don't have ANY legs....

(sorry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif ...back on topic)

* _54th_Speeder *

p1ngu666
10-30-2005, 11:32 AM
nope, raf had g suits too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif!

seat position isnt modeled either, but i suspect postition relative to cog maybe modeled.

TX-EcoDragon
10-30-2005, 12:48 PM
http://www.vnh.org/FSManual/02/Images/fig2.3.gif

GR142-Pipper
10-30-2005, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AI-1:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by HayateAce:
Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">AFAIK a barrel roll doesn't necessarily involve high-g. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, a regular aileron roll doesn't but barrel rolls often do. As a matter of fact, in a high-G barrel roll, the aircraft is pulling what are called "rolling G's". This type of G application in effect twists the aircraft because the G application is not symetrical across the aircraft's flying surfaces. 6 rolling G's are much harder on the aircraft than 6 symetrical G's. I'd bet large that rolling G's aren't modeled in this game.

GR142-Pipper

danjama
10-30-2005, 02:35 PM
Do you people play the same game as me? If you do surely you would know that red out and black out are in there and are cumulative. BTW if you have ever barrel rolled a real plane, you would know that the G's are definately noticeable, although definately not enough to black you out! Then again, in a focke wolfe, at 500kmh, rolling as fast as it does in this game, id imagine a black out is possible. To test red out, go into QMB, grab a plane, say a focke, and just push down on and hold the stick. Your view will go red. For blockout dive until ur at say 600kmh, pull out gently so to maintain speed, then yank the stick into a hard turn in either directon. Your pilot is then pullin around 9 G's and will black out.