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Carnage2681
08-22-2004, 06:33 AM
Please only prooved Statements

What will be changend in FB with PF

What will get better ?

FM ?

DM ?

MF´s ?

Better QMB ?

Changes on FB Planes ?

Personal operating FB Flak ?

Better DM for FB Ships ?


This is NOT A WHINIG Thread. I only would like to see some kind of list what FB Players really get better with PF.

Carnage2681
08-22-2004, 06:33 AM
Please only prooved Statements

What will be changend in FB with PF

What will get better ?

FM ?

DM ?

MF´s ?

Better QMB ?

Changes on FB Planes ?

Personal operating FB Flak ?

Better DM for FB Ships ?


This is NOT A WHINIG Thread. I only would like to see some kind of list what FB Players really get better with PF.

LEXX_Luthor
08-22-2004, 06:41 AM
Stop Whinig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Carnage2681
08-22-2004, 06:44 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Hey

I only really what to see the changes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It´s also to decide what kind of PF i install

MEGILE
08-22-2004, 06:55 AM
Lexx, people whinig about people whinig are just total whinigs!

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VW-IceFire
08-22-2004, 07:59 AM
Your asking questions to which answers are not yet available.

We know the textures on vehicles will be better. We know there will be plenty of new ground units and that includes some soliders around the unit itself (i.e. the motar team we saw). We know there will be at least 40 new flyable aircraft which is the main thrust of the new elements. Aircraft carrier operations is another big one.

I highly suspect that FM's will be of the same quality that we have with 2.04. I would doubt them able to go too much further at the moment without serious overhaul. Sound as well. DM's would be the same as well. Ships reportedly have a more complex system...you can shoot out individual gunnery stations. Fighters would therefore be crucial in sweeping the decks of ships to make it easier for bombers to attack them.

The only other thing thats really new would be the sliding canopies. May be mostly a cosmetic thing but cool nonetheless.

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Da_Godfatha
08-22-2004, 09:40 AM
VW-IceFire , I do hope the FM and DM changes. There is just to much damaged controls and pilot kills for my taste. Not to say the bouncing and VERY arcade like stalls/spins. I fear we all may have to relearn flying with PF.

And just maybe the UBER planes like the Ki-84-Ic and La-7 3xB20 will tweaked abit.

I do look forward to finally deleting my CFS2!!

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JG7_Rall
08-22-2004, 10:12 AM
I think the changes will simply be what PF is, meaning that if you install it as an addon to FB, you'll be getting the new planes, features etc. But maybe some other things will be tweaked? That would be cool.

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T_O_A_D
08-22-2004, 10:28 AM
I only ask why do you people ask PF questions here? Take them to the PF Forum (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=26310365)
The developers are over there.

I can move thread to there if you like or you can start a new one there.

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plumps_
08-22-2004, 11:16 AM
Toad, the question is what will change in Forgotten Battles when we install PF over it. I think that's a vaild question as PF will be a full price product, but so far we have been given very little detail about what justifies the high price for people who already own a product that contains many of the aircraft and other features that will be in PF. Compared to AEP that was sold at a moderate price, the new features that are known so far don't seem that overwhelming to me.

UBI is asking us to pre-order the Sim, but IMO until now they haven't given us FB/AEP owners enough reasons to do so.

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Carnage2681
08-22-2004, 11:40 AM
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VVS-Manuc
08-22-2004, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
Toad, the question is what will change in _Forgotten Battles_ when we install PF over it. I think that's a vaild question as PF will be a full price product, but so far we have been given very little detail about what justifies the high price for people who already own a product that contains many of the aircraft and other features that will be in PF. Compared to AEP that was sold at a moderate price, the new features that are known so far don't seem that overwhelming to me.

UBI is asking us to pre-order the Sim, but IMO until now they haven't given us FB/AEP owners enough reasons to do so.

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lookatsix
08-22-2004, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
Toad, the question is what will change in _Forgotten Battles_ when we install PF over it. I think that's a vaild question as PF will be a full price product, but so far we have been given very little detail about what justifies the high price for people who already own a product that contains many of the aircraft and other features that will be in PF. Compared to AEP that was sold at a moderate price, the new features that are known so far don't seem that overwhelming to me.

UBI is asking us to pre-order the Sim, but IMO until now they haven't given us FB/AEP owners enough reasons to do so.

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T_O_A_D
08-22-2004, 05:38 PM
Did you miss this one then guys.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=913105955 This is all the or the latest info we have.
Also if you want to know what Oleg has to say then find one of his post and click view recent post of his. He post seldom, understandably, But when he does its to the point at hand.

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VVS-Manuc
08-23-2004, 01:55 AM
So we have to buy PF only to get the Patches/Updates with the long time promised flyable Ju88 , Pe-2 and some other bombers?

so UBI/1c can make money 4 times with the same old game engine (IL-2, FB, AEP and now PF)

Again the question: Which features will make PF better than FB/AEP except new eycandy like superuberduperhighres-water and openable canopies, which are useless if you can't lean out of the cockpit to have a better view.

Wallstein
08-23-2004, 07:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Carnage2681:
"---Please only prooved Statements...
...This is NOT A WHINIG Thread. I only would like to see some kind of list what FB Players really get better with PF.---"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like the voice in Rowan´s Battle of britain -game occassionally used to ask: "are you allright?" : http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif D

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08-23-2004, 10:12 AM
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Willey
08-23-2004, 10:17 AM
We had a suggestions thread in the German forum and later they were sent to Oleg - and he answered most of those questions.

http://ubbxforums-de.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=59010161&f=388104122&m=514105265&p=11

Those, that concern "FB in PF":

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>- FW 200 is not capable of hitting moving ships (it only bombs the specified
waypoint)

This we will correct for PF . We didn't know that this plane use as sturmovik for attack on a ships.



- P47: option for additional ammo plus fuselage droptank

Probably you will see in Pacific Fighters some new options, but no additional ammo.



- check visibility problems with planes at distance (LOD problems)

In PF just for some things will be changed visibility at distance, but not for the planes.

- check visibility problems for ground objects

See above



- Fw 190 series have wrong fuel loads; Fw 190 A-4, 5, 6, D9(late) = 540l,
A-8, 9 & D9(early) = 655l

Already corrected to other values (in files of PF)



- ability for host to disable "S" key in DF

Maybe in PF



- kill should be given to plane which inflicted most damage on the object

It was once in the past, but players ask for the current system, then they saw that it isn't so good and ask to return back, Ok we will see for PF.



- re-think point distribution for collisions, player who is victim of such
collision (meaning not guilty of flying into the other) should not be given
minus points

Maybe in PF. There was a problem to make by other way than now



- larger hangars (for multi-engined planes)
- larger camouflage nets (for multi-engined planes)

Maybe



- object type "Buildings" - enable players to specify structures as target

Maybe



- ability to select a group of objects
- ability to cut and paste
- ability to save object group

For all above: Probably yes in PF, but don't please tell us that your PC unable to handle it. Don't please forget that these oprations will calculates in 3D, but not in a text form.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really like the last one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

IV_JG51_Razor
08-23-2004, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I only ask why do you people ask PF questions here? Take them to the http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=26310365
The developers are over there.

I can move thread to there if you like or you can start a new one there.

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Just out of curiosity TOAD, why do you have a problem with PF being the subject of threads in here? The thread you posted where Oleg explains what he is going to do with PF looks like it was posted in here. The PF development screen shots are posted in here. After reading Oleg's remarks, it appears that PF is going to be an add on to FB anyway. So, what's your problem with PF threads being posted in here?

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BSS_Vidar
08-23-2004, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Carnage2681:
It´s also to decide what kind of PF i install<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Carnage,
Their's nothing to decide M8. If you have FB/AEP installed, you can install both PF versions on the same hard drive. You'll be able to join FB/AEP/PF servers, back out then go to a pure PF server if you want.
You'll be able to take missions in pure PF and install them in the mixed-bag servers, but you can't go the other way. It's a one-way road to keep the pure version pure for us PTO nuts.

To answere TOAD's question:
This is NOT an IL-2 Forum. This is "Olegs Readyroom". Oleg and his team developed PF, therefore, IL-2 AND PF threads belong here. There is an IL-2 Forum if you don't like seeing PF threads M8. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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T_O_A_D
08-23-2004, 02:18 PM
Don't take me wrong. I don't really have a problem with it. I just feel your apt to get an answer over there since the direct developers post there on this subject.
And yes the thread I linked to is in here. It is the top most sticky in the room http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now before you guys go and get the rope. I'll just http://bostonblueyes.com/New%20Smilies/hanging.gif myself http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I only ask why do you people ask PF questions here? Take them to the http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=26310365
The developers are over there.

I can move thread to there if you like or you can start a new one there.

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http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just out of curiosity TOAD, why do you have a problem with PF being the subject of threads in here? The thread you posted where Oleg explains what he is going to do with PF looks like it was posted in here. The PF development screen shots are posted in here. After reading Oleg's remarks, it appears that PF is going to be an add on to FB anyway. So, what's your problem with PF threads being posted in here?

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2004, 03:31 PM
I've constantly asked to see something more than eye candy screenies. We know it's gonna look good. But I'd prefer to see one, just ONE "all text" Progress Report on what's being done to shore up the problems we all know and loathe on AEP.

But, if you still crave some Pacific Action, action that's based on real missions... well here's my latest After Action Report (http://www.naysayers.com/9jg52/Henderson_Strike.htm) from the Solomons of Target:Rabaul. (http://www.targetware.net) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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triggerhappyfin
08-24-2004, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
So we have to buy PF only to get the Patches/Updates with the long time promised flyable Ju88 , Pe-2 and some other bombers?

so UBI/1c can make money 4 times with the same old game engine (IL-2, FB, AEP and now PF)

Again the question: Which features will make PF better than FB/AEP except new eycandy like superuberduperhighres-water and openable canopies, which are useless if you can't lean out of the cockpit to have a better view.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what I find as a sign of health. With these money making addons we are guaranteed a future development within this game engine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.

There is still lot to do before it can be considered to be obsolete.

Just look at CFS2 - still alive kicking, that´s an obsolete game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif.

I´ll buy any addon to this game, just to keep it interesting - We can´t expect them for free.

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IV_JG51_Razor
08-24-2004, 11:23 PM
T.O.A.D. I wasn't out to hang you, I really did want to know! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you spend any time at all over at the PF forums (and I know you do), you'd agree that the developers aren't exactly gushing with information. It seems that better information is available over here more often than not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

The natives are getting restless! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I agree 100% with Stiglr. I'd much rather see a couple of paragraphs on what's being done rather than a handfull of screen shots, and that goes for BoB as well as PF. I've been asking for that for a loooong time, just got tired of posting it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2004, 11:33 PM
Well, the Dev Team isn't tired of ignoring us, either.

They've rarely posted any useful information on development, just "ooo, ahhh, lookit the water/skin/castle/floating pilot/floating wings" or whatever distracts from the salient question: what are they doing to shore up the flight model, the damage model, etc., etc., etc., like they've been doing with every patch since IL-2 1.1?????

As an old spokeswoman would say, "Where's the BEEF?"

LEXX_Luthor
08-24-2004, 11:38 PM
I don't even look at the updates anymore. But they are listening to our ideas.

If they posted an update with the New, Improved and MORE clouds then I pay attention.


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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2004, 11:28 AM
Heh, I'd settle for "clouds that don't appear when it's convenient for the graphics engine".

I've just begun noticing that sometimes, a dot way off in the distant that you just make out and then lose, is actually in or behind a cloud...as you get close, the cloud draws suddenly. Not a very convincing effect. At the very least, a "rough" cloud shape for long distance should render for long enough for you get close and have it turn into a nice, graphically pleasing puffy cloud.

Bearcat99
08-26-2004, 07:18 AM
Hopefully not much. I think FB as it is is pretty darned good. A few planes could be a bit faster...... or have thier wings rip off at a slightly higher speed.... but other than little stuff like that I think the sim is great. The weps are pretty good if you set your converrgence right and dont use online play as a judge of weapons accuracy.... I like the pilot kill/flak/accuracy thing. I can enjoy myself offline because the offline play IS so challenging. In online coops we can get really into it because the AI is so good. There is always room for improvement but you have to admit... this sim is d@mn good.

Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
So we have to buy PF only to get the Patches/Updates with the long time promised flyable Ju88 , Pe-2 and some other bombers?

so UBI/1c can make money 4 times with the same old game engine (IL-2, FB, AEP and now PF)

Again the question: Which features will make PF better than FB/AEP except new eycandy like superuberduperhighres-water and openable canopies, which are useless if you can't lean out of the cockpit to have a better view.

The FB game engine isnt the same as the IL2 one.. as far as the AEP goes.... keep in mind that the original concept of FB was an add on.. I cant imagine ANY developer giving us what we got in FB/AEP as an add on. IMO the more money 1C makes the longer they will be able to keep cranking out great products. If I had to put a monetary value ie dollar spent with pleasure achieved Id have to say that.. even if I included the cost of some of my upgrades in the mix.... 1C has given me more bang for buck than just about any other thing i have undertaken that was strictly a pay to play/ride thing.... of course all that may change once I start my PPL lessons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

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08-26-2004, 04:39 PM
Got a question here! does anyone know if they are going to add FW190-A7 in any patch?

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2004, 05:08 PM
What, exactly, is a FW190A7 going to add that an A5 or A6 won't have?

Lobbying for these small, cosmetic changes and odds-n-sods versions is pointless.

Just learn how to fly your A5 or A6 better. From what I remember, the A4, A5 and A8 are the most representative Focke Wulf versions...then comes the D9 Dora.

That's all that's needed, besides a few Rustsatz kits to add a couple of weapons loadouts and variations.

609IAP_Recon
08-26-2004, 06:47 PM
typically?

something get's broken in the process and we whine and complain until the first patch comes out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ie. exploding aircraft in AEP coop.

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BigganD
08-27-2004, 04:27 AM
well i dont have problems with flying fws, just asked

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arrow80
08-30-2004, 02:36 AM
well you all talk about fm's/dm's, added eye-candy things etc... But will in PF be addressed such issues as often painful AI behavior, better and more immersive campaign system, callsigns in a mission and many other issues? I think it is just gone be more planes/buildings/cars/eye candy add-on, but nothing will change with gameplay really... I hope that I am mistaken with this statement

LEXX_Luthor
08-30-2004, 04:08 AM
Stiglr are you using Detail cloud settings? The clouds draw at greater range.

For "Perfect" mode clouds withouth Perfect mode you can change in "conf" file...

TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0

and at least on my ATI 9200 draws the clouds out to the map horizon, 20km.

Freebie...

TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=1

shows the high level 7km cirrocumulus clouds.

Change that to Zero and my ATI 9200 smears them out like cirrus clouds. Good for a change of sky scenery.

I hope I didn't get them mixed up.

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