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NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 07:36 AM
(I need a cookie) ha


I was curious how many others had tried this and didn't crash. It took me a couple tries to do it right side up.... after I started to get the hang of it, I started practicing flying low.... and ended up performing TWO inverted passes underneath a bridge on the Moscow1 map.

I have the vids if anyone is interested in checking them out - honestly, I'd love to post a couple short vids and get some feedback on what I'm doing/not doing right.

I'm gonna have a look on the forum to see if you guys have a section for vids. I think they're all under a MB, really tiny.


I'd love to pick up a bunch of current vids if I could - ones for the current version.. need to delete all the stock vids the game comes with since you guys said they're most likely for older versions.



this game is slowly becoming one of my fav games of ALL time (wow, getting kills is BEYOND satisfying) - can't even imagine how good it feels to snag a real life opponent

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 07:36 AM
(I need a cookie) ha


I was curious how many others had tried this and didn't crash. It took me a couple tries to do it right side up.... after I started to get the hang of it, I started practicing flying low.... and ended up performing TWO inverted passes underneath a bridge on the Moscow1 map.

I have the vids if anyone is interested in checking them out - honestly, I'd love to post a couple short vids and get some feedback on what I'm doing/not doing right.

I'm gonna have a look on the forum to see if you guys have a section for vids. I think they're all under a MB, really tiny.


I'd love to pick up a bunch of current vids if I could - ones for the current version.. need to delete all the stock vids the game comes with since you guys said they're most likely for older versions.



this game is slowly becoming one of my fav games of ALL time (wow, getting kills is BEYOND satisfying) - can't even imagine how good it feels to snag a real life opponent

MrMojok
08-13-2007, 07:41 AM
Bridge-storming is fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There used to be a sort of competition thread here of pics and videos of people flying under various bridges and stuff. The stern of one of the Japanese carriers has a kind of open area in between the aft end of the flight deck and the lower deck. There are some 'pillars' or struts for lack of a better term that reinforce it.

Anyway, I once saw a video of a guy flying his plane right through there... it didn't fit through with wings level so he had to bank about 40 degrees to starboard to make it.

p-11.cAce
08-13-2007, 07:54 AM
Bridges are a blast to fly under...though be cautious when you see some of the vids - a "trick" to some of the unbelievable stuff is to fly using reduced time compression then alter the speed when producing the final vid so it plays at "normal" speed. It is REALLY easy to fly through hangers, under tight bridges, etc. when you cut the simulation speed to 1/2.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-13-2007, 08:02 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3361041493/p/1

See a lot of the pics have gone (including my own attempts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )...might be time to ressurect the madness...

MaxMhz
08-13-2007, 08:13 AM
It is fun isn't it...

Why not post a nettrack instead of video?
The nettrack is a lot smaller, you won't get unbelievers accusing you of flying in slowdown time, and people can determine their own viewpoint. (place a camera near the bridge).

The pedestrian bridges over railways are fun. Better take a small plane like the 109 though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bdc_p
08-13-2007, 08:20 AM
haha, I was as excited as you were. now I try to fly under bridges above 600k/h.. And yup, (wow, getting kills is BEYOND satisfying)

OD_
08-13-2007, 08:31 AM
Try and find the barnstorming Co-op and fly through 10 open hangars in one go...that is tough...me and a mate managed it in Me163s full power all the way through...and F4Us...I think that was the biggest plane you can fit through!

Flying under bridges can shake someone off your six at times...depends how quick they are.

OD.

ake109
08-13-2007, 08:43 AM
The He-162 is my favourite plane for these stunts. Fast, nimble and small.

Diablo310th
08-13-2007, 08:49 AM
LOL it used to be my fav tactic to get an enemy ac off my tail. It was fun to take my Jug under the bridge and watch the 109's and 190's go splat on the bridge girders. I haven't done it in a long time tho. Might have to try it again soon.

ImMoreBetter
08-13-2007, 08:54 AM
I did it in a Pe3...

At 400+ Kph

While under fire.

*boasts about 1337 skillz*


Yeah, didn't help me at all. The guy just flew over the bridge and shot me.

F19_Orheim
08-13-2007, 09:23 AM
loads of this stuff on youtube...

this for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ogm3hZP_ks&mode=related&search=

Warrington_Wolf
08-13-2007, 09:31 AM
I've seen people fly inverted under the bridges, and some can do it several times to prove that it isn't a fluke.
I have tried it many times but I have only managed to do it once in a P-40, I have either hit the bridge or got wet whenever I have done it since.
1I have seen some bridges in LOMAC too, so I might try to fly under one in an F-15 or an SU-27.

Sturm_Williger
08-13-2007, 10:27 AM
NeuralTech, check your PM's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MaxMhz:
It is fun isn't it...

Why not post a nettrack instead of video?
The nettrack is a lot smaller, you won't get unbelievers accusing you of flying in slowdown time, and people can determine their own viewpoint. (place a camera near the bridge).

The pedestrian bridges over railways are fun. Better take a small plane like the 109 though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I SURE is! : )
challenging as hell too


Wow, cheating is everywhere and in everything in this day and age, lol & : ( (lamos)

Yeah, I didn't do anything of the sort... and when I say "vid", I mean 'in game track' thingamabopper, so yeah, it's straight out of the game with NO modifications.

I need to share this vid with y'all - what do you recommend? Should I simply upload it using yousendit??? It's 300 KB I think, lol... really small..

I've got 2 other vids - one with me in the P-80 and one in the Me-262, I wanted to know why they were SO slow, so I made a couple short vids flying those.

One of me dogfighting, took me a while to finally get the guy (and that was with the AI set to Rookie, lol). He was pulling some decent maneuvers which surprised me with him being a "rookie" - can't wait to see what the better AIs do.


Damn, you guys would eat my lunch if I was to get online right now.

I'm learning that P-51 though : )
She is a BAD M O F O. Love the turning in that thing.... smooth Aileron response as well, least to moi.

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 11:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
I've seen people fly inverted under the bridges, and some can do it several times to prove that it isn't a fluke.
I have tried it many times but I have only managed to do it once in a P-40, I have either hit the bridge or got wet whenever I have done it since.
1I have seen some bridges in LOMAC too, so I might try to fly under one in an F-15 or an SU-27. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHA, this makes me feel even better - I've had the game for less than a month, and in the vid I'm going to share with y'all... I do TWO inverted passes under a bridge!

And I'm coming from SWOTL, X-Wing, Tie-Fighter, AOE & AOP & Red Baron - OLD 'arcady' sims w/zero realism.

I think I'm adjusting quite well. I'm going to learn this P-51 inside and out before I take her online to kill.


I've also been doing a lot of low level practicing - 100 ft&lt;. Totally fun and VERY, very challenging to me. I wish the trees would make me crash if my wing clips them, so far in the replays (track/vids), it looks as if the trees won't clip a planes wings? Maybe sometimes, maybe not on others? dunno



This game is insane!! Can't even begin to imagine how good SOW:BOB is going to be... unreal... I'll probably keep playing this one even when the new one surfaces.


IL for life!
lol

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ake109:
The He-162 is my favourite plane for these stunts. Fast, nimble and small. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hadn't flown that one yet - gonna check it out for sure now... thks!


Still haven't flown 3/4 of the planes - need to master a couple before I try to fly anything else.

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:
I did it in a Pe3...

At 400+ Kph

While under fire.

*boasts about 1337 skillz*


Yeah, didn't help me at all. The guy just flew over the bridge and shot me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol, sounds about right

Rjel
08-13-2007, 11:16 AM
I'm not always successful, but I love flying inverted under bridges too. The shorter end spans are a blast. I'm always reminded of a scene from The Blue Max while doing that.

Warrington_Wolf
08-13-2007, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NeuralTech:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
I've seen people fly inverted under the bridges, and some can do it several times to prove that it isn't a fluke.
I have tried it many times but I have only managed to do it once in a P-40, I have either hit the bridge or got wet whenever I have done it since.
1I have seen some bridges in LOMAC too, so I might try to fly under one in an F-15 or an SU-27. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHA, this makes me feel even better - I've had the game for less than a month, and in the vid I'm going to share with y'all... I do TWO inverted passes under a bridge!

And I'm coming from SWOTL, X-Wing, Tie-Fighter, AOE & AOP & Red Baron - OLD 'arcady' sims w/zero realism.

I think I'm adjusting quite well. I'm going to learn this P-51 inside and out before I take her online to kill.


I've also been doing a lot of low level practicing - 100 ft&lt;. Totally fun and VERY, very challenging to me. I wish the trees would make me crash if my wing clips them, so far in the replays (track/vids), it looks as if the trees won't clip a planes wings? Maybe sometimes, maybe not on others? dunno



This game is insane!! Can't even begin to imagine how good SOW:BOB is going to be... unreal... I'll probably keep playing this one even when the new one surfaces.


IL for life!
lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I used to love X-wing alliance, I used to particurlarly like the Tie Interceptor (I also like the A62M2 Zero which could also manoeuvre well but couldn't take many hits).

bdc_p
08-13-2007, 11:35 AM
WATCH THIS!
at 2:24..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPd_q5-ApE

The whole video is just awesome.

SithSpeeder
08-13-2007, 11:59 AM
My fave is the TB3...fast forward to 5:37 until the end of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqw-E0aDhTE

* _54th_Speeder *

buzzsaw1939
08-13-2007, 12:07 PM
Thread Killer!!... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

major_setback
08-13-2007, 12:09 PM
I don't know, why but Elvis suits perfectly to stunt vids. There's another somewhere that's worth looking for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8lsxmhDKqE

bmoffa
08-13-2007, 12:41 PM
Do it all the time for practice. Try multiples, using various approcah angles and speeds, and different airplanes. I've even done it on-line when I bored looking for enemy.

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bdc_p:
WATCH THIS!
at 2:24..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPd_q5-ApE

The whole video is just awesome. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, that is really something else!

the rolls through the hanger look fake - like maybe the plane was custom put together or the vid was adjusted post production.... dunno

Most of those moves look "altered" - dunno.... I'd be willing to bet I could pull some of that stuff off in that particular plane. The plane looks like it's been manipulated to be extra maneuverable... would be my guess... that, or those guys are simply VERY, VERY good and have put LOTS and LOTS of hours into the game which is also believable.



awesome vid regardless

NeuralTech
08-13-2007, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bmoffa:
Do it all the time for practice. Try multiples, using various approcah angles and speeds, and different airplanes. I've even done it on-line when I bored looking for enemy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Try multiples, using various approcah angles and speeds, and different airplanes."

I've done two in a row, next is like you say, different speeds and from different angles.


Less than 10 hrs under my belt.
This Christmas, I will be married to all of your



sixes



Muhahahahahahaha@@@!!!!!!!

M_Gunz
08-13-2007, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MaxMhz:
The nettrack is a lot smaller, you won't get unbelievers accusing you of flying in slowdown time </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It can be flown in 1/4 speed and then track remade during playback. That is how flight movies
are made, check Flying Nutcases How-to's.

Sorry but it is possible. Don't believe 90% of what you hear or 50% of what you see.

Jaws2002
08-13-2007, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NeuralTech:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bdc_p:
WATCH THIS!
at 2:24..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPd_q5-ApE

The whole video is just awesome. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, that is really something else!

the rolls through the hanger look fake - like maybe the plane was custom put together or the vid was adjusted post production.... dunno

Most of those moves look "altered" - dunno.... I'd be willing to bet I could pull some of that stuff off in that particular plane. The plane looks like it's been manipulated to be extra maneuverable... would be my guess... that, or those guys are simply VERY, VERY good and have put LOTS and LOTS of hours into the game which is also believable.



awesome vid regardless </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is not fake.

We used to have "Squad fun nights" and we used to put insanely long lines of hangars one after the other and see who can get further away. after about two kiloneters there were few little turns in the rows. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Sometimes we would place enemy AAA gunst in shooting range for that extra touch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

T_O_A_D
08-13-2007, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Bridges are a blast to fly under...though be cautious when you see some of the vids - a "trick" to some of the unbelievable stuff is to fly using reduced time compression then alter the speed when producing the final vid so it plays at "normal" speed. It is REALLY easy to fly through hangers, under tight bridges, etc. when you cut the simulation speed to 1/2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Geeze never even thought about gaming the game that way, I'm such a NOOB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif All these years been doing it the hard way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

mortoma
08-13-2007, 02:09 PM
I can't remember which Pacific island map it is, but there are hangers just off the runway with both sides open so you can fly through them. Hint: Start out practicing with a plane that has a shorter wingspan though!!!

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-13-2007, 02:12 PM
O.K. I had a few go's this evening.

'Straight out of the box'. QMB Smolensk map. Full difficulty. Default loads. 50% fuel.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2007-08-1318-48-07-64.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2007-08-1320-07-18-14.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2007-08-1320-14-25-95.jpg

Oops! Just to prove I had 'damage' on.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2007-08-1320-15-18-29.jpg


Let's be having yours then, chaps.

slo_1_2_3
08-13-2007, 10:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3361041493/p/1

See a lot of the pics have gone (including my own attempts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )...might be time to ressurect the madness... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I remember that , I got a "cookie" for dragging an arrester hook in the water

Blood_Splat
08-13-2007, 11:28 PM
Your ego is writing checks your body can't cash! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

mortoma
08-14-2007, 04:55 AM
Really, given as much room as a bridge has under it, we can now conclude that it is no big deal to fly under one. Now, try to fly through one of those hangers I mentioned in my previous post!! As I recall that was really tough. You not only have to be careful with height, but also horizontal position. So you have to watch two dimensions, not just one. With a KI-43, there was only about the equivalent of two feet on both sides for wing clearance, IIRC. Oh, and don't put things in slow motion, that's cheating!! Do it in normal or 2X speed. Then you can come back here and brag some.............

mortoma
08-14-2007, 05:24 AM
Ok, the Pacific map is Tarawa. There's three small hangers with both ends open, at the east end of the runway. I made a FMB and since I hadn't done it on a long time, I started with a short wingspan aircraft, the I-16. But Brewster would work well too. I was out of practice so it took me three attempts before I did it!!! I have a track of it but only my laptop is on the internet. Much, much more difficult than flying under bridges because not only the second dimension to worry about but the height from top to bottom is less than half that of a bridge!!!

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
Your ego is writing checks your body can't cash! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, point well taken.


I dunno though, I'm getting pretty good at flying, guys.

Guess what I took under the bridge last night...... not once, but twice, dunno how I even got the thing turned around.

Yuppers, that BIG, ugly, 4 engine Russian Heavy Bomber - I did it in that.

Also, the plane at the very top of the list - some mid sized 2 engine bomber, Russian I think... I did two upright passes under the bridge and would have made an inverted on if the tail wasn't sooo tall.... I think it's possible, but the window of fitting that particular plane while inverted is very small and quick - you have to have the plane in the perfect position for probably 5 seconds... dunno if it'll be possible.


Need to get these vids uploaded so you guys can check 'em out.... really need to share me going under the bridge in that HUGE, Russian 4 engine plane - WOW, talk about intense...

Couldn't even get that thing to 200 mph, lol.

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 08:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Much, much more difficult than flying under bridges because not only the second dimension to worry about but the height from top to bottom is less than half that of a bridge!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll take you up on this challenge no doubt, be back with the results tomoddow : )


As for the height being half what the bridges height from the water is.... hmmm, dunno about that.. there wouldn't be enough room I don't think.

Interested to see these Hangars now.

And as for flying under the bridge being easy... try doing it in that big, Russian 4 engine bomber - I've done it twice in a row now.


I'll be going under bridges inverted in the 2 engine mid sized bombers by the end of the week.

THEN, I'll master these hangers - they sound hard too! Having to watch X as well as Y will definitely up the difficulty meter. : L

p-11.cAce
08-14-2007, 11:27 AM
DO THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1uK4rBqFQs) and then we'll talk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-14-2007, 11:32 AM
You cant do that in this game. The parachute would break the bridge.

Jaws2002
08-14-2007, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Bridges are a blast to fly under...though be cautious when you see some of the vids - a "trick" to some of the unbelievable stuff is to fly using reduced time compression then alter the speed when producing the final vid so it plays at "normal" speed. It is REALLY easy to fly through hangers, under tight bridges, etc. when you cut the simulation speed to 1/2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Geeze never even thought about gaming the game that way, I'm such a NOOB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif All these years been doing it the hard way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You can't do that in multipayer.

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
DO THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1uK4rBqFQs) and then we'll talk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was ultra slick! thought it would be game related though : (



I take it making a run under the bridge in the 4 engine Russian bomber is no special feat...?....


I'll relieve my cookie if so.
was just about to take a bite too : (

Friendly_flyer
08-14-2007, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bdc_p:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPd_q5-ApE
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow!

I haver gotten under a bridge and out again in one piece a couple of times, but mostly I end up in a pile of debris along the river. Flying under the mast wire of moving destroyers is fun though!

p-11.cAce
08-14-2007, 01:25 PM
JURGIS IS THE MAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOX0wspMSY)
All balls! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 01:32 PM
utterly impressive!!!!! WOW



not to sound like a broken record, guys, but I'm really curious (especially after seeing experienced IL pilots say they can't go under bridges right side up with any regularity) how hard it is for people to go under the bridge in that

4 engine Russian bomber


I'd love to pat myself on the back, but if you experienced fellas say it's nothing special, then I won't.

Thanks and I won't bug you about it anymore.
need to get those vids uploaded - will do tomoddow.

p-11.cAce
08-14-2007, 01:34 PM
NeuralT that IS very impressive - seriously http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 01:50 PM
And please don't anyone misinterrpret my enthusiasm for snideness, because that's not it.

I'm simply super excited about what I've accomplished in this short period of time, and wanted to make sure I was making strides.

I appreciate the insight, p-11.cAce!



gonna post those tomoddow, can't WAIT to have you guys tell me what I'm doing wrong/right (y'alls personal time permitted obviously).

p-11.cAce
08-14-2007, 02:04 PM
NeuralT as far as flying skills go imho the best a/c to fly around in is the I-153. I'm becoming obsessed with that little biplane. It is very tossable (if you are careful to not go negative for too long) and a blast to just cruise around over Berlin or Moscow in. IMHO if you can get to the point were you are taking off and landing it consistently (9 out of 10) from the pit (no externals or WW view) anything else you fly will be a breeze. I get more true satisfaction greasing in landings with the little seagull than just about anything else in the sim.

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 02:37 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I've had a couple hard glances at that bird before, but hadn't picked it yet...

Will check her out tonight for sure.

I think I've decided on mastering the P-51(the lastest model.. one at the bottom of the list) [anyone recommend a better model for dogfighting?]


After the P-51, I wanna figure the FW-190 out... I imagine it'll take months to master a single plane.

I wanna be a certified badass before I go online...


one more question, guys:

How many Ace AI pilots should a single person be able to take on by him/herself???

2, 3?


I can't even take on 1 as it is, lol.
prac prac practice

p-11.cAce
08-14-2007, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> How many Ace AI pilots should a single person be able to take on by him/herself??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The standard used to be 4 - Though in a dogfight server (334th for example) you might as well just dive in once you can get up and down in one piece. Just get on TS and have a go for it. Maybe these will help for a DF server:
1. Use teamspeak!
2. Take off from the rear base, turn AWAY from the front, and climb climb climb - 3000m is low, 8000m is mid, and 10000m+ is high.
3. Its not realistic but f6 is your friend.
4. Don't get suckered into a turnfight on the deck - locate, identify, dive, shoot, extend, climb, repeat.
5. Running is not retreat - its a tactical redeployment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You can often escape from and impatient pursuit and return to the fight.
6. NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER USE 100% FUEL - in a DF server I use 25% and a drop tank for the initial climb.

I'm not online as much anymore but if you want to set a time to give it a go let me know - I've even got my own TS server http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 03:28 PM
Killer! I really appreciate all the tips. Unfortunately I don't have the net setup at my home just yet, so it's gonna be another month er so before I can get online.


So, 4 aces at once.... thks for that.



Speaking of Drop tanks, etc.... how in the world is one supposed to change between Fuel tanks????? From Main to Auxillary to Drop...?....

I haven't seen a button for that in the controls list. In SWOTL, it was a simple "T" that would switch between the three different tanks (permitted one had a drop tank).

p-11.cAce
08-14-2007, 04:23 PM
I may be wrong but I my understanding is that it is hard coded for the a/c to drain the external fuel then switch to internal. There has been a great deal of discussion regarding the infamous p-51 fuselage tank and how to burn it first as in RL it porked the CG and made the plane evil to handle. According to Bob Hover in RL they would takeoff and climb out using the fuselage tank to burn it down at least 50%, then switch to drops, then to wings. I think the sim though does not have a very complex fuel mgmt. Anyone else?

Adam906
08-14-2007, 08:46 PM
try a dry cargo carrier on the move: Between the masts and assorted clothes lines hanging everywhere

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/adam906/11-2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/adam906/22.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/adam906/33.jpg

Copperhead310th
08-14-2007, 09:30 PM
&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;Was the 1st pilot in this sim to fly a Pe-8 under a bride INVERTED. Was on TX OC3 server a few years back. there were several witneses to that one. lol was also the 1st to tripple loop a Tb-3. A feat i will gladly exahbation anytime. Can even do it with I-16's mounted under the wings.

horseback
08-14-2007, 09:43 PM
Here's my quick familiarization flight; you can do this in most fighters in the game, but you have to work harder more on some planes than on others. I use it as a way of making sure I have a handle on a new aircraft I'm going to be flying in a current campaign.

I've done it successfully in most major fighter types except the P-38 and Bf 110G, because they're simply too big to fit through the pedestrian bridges the course ends with. Of course, in many cases, it was a much earlier patch version of the game, although I find that I am usually sh*t hot in most patch versions flying the Bf 109E/F/G, the P-40/B/E/M, and the Soviet mainstays. Late war US mainstays are a bit touchier, however, and generally require a lot of effort to master. This is also true of the FW 190, to a lesser degree.

In QMB, select the Smolensk map, your fighter (for most US types, I choose 75% fuel or less), no opposing or enemy aircraft and head east down the river, going under each bridge's center span as you encounter it. I try to keep my throttle at around 60%, and in most of the advanced types, this will result in around 400kph or more. In a Mustang or other US fighter type, I go with a Prop Pitch of 60% and a throttle of approximately 75%, which will result in an RPM of around 2500, a cooler running engine, and about the same speeds or better (in the Mustang's case, much better, but it handles better over 250 mph anyway).

Follow the river until you reach the city of Smolensk, where there are two rivers joining it from the north. At this point, you take the first river on the left, through the center span of the railroad bridge (this is a bit tighter fit than the basic bridge span), and follow the river's course until you get under the third bridge, at which point you roll right, cross over to the other river, and take it back south towards the city.

After the third bridge on this river (a lower bridge than the average), it takes a sharp right turn, but you will continue south a bit, rolling right and turning back around back west, crossing back to the main river and then lining up on the pedestrian bridges over the railroad on the north bank of the original river. Ideally, you should be on a course of 316 degrees, and no higher than 10 meters above the ground/river surface. Watch out for the light pole on the left of the rails – you can snag your port wing on it.

There are two pedestrian bridges crossing the rails here; the best way to make it through both of them is to line up on the second bridge well before you're through the first one.

Once through the second bridge, keep as close to your 316 degree heading as you can,
then (smoothly) pull up and zoom climb as high as you can get before you're almost out of airspeed.

At that point, you should be over 500 meters, so you will be able to roll over, split S, and head BACK under the two pedestrian bridges. This is somewhat harder than making the first pass under them. Then you land at the paved field to your north.

I generally botch the landings after making it through the bridges both times...

I can usually do it after four or five flights with a new type, and then manage it at least every other time as long as I keep current in the type. As I said, though, the Mustang and other late war US fighters are much tougher to do this in consistently.

Their size is undoubtedly a factor, but they also seem to require more ˜touch' than the other fighters.

You'll also find that some aircraft seem to fly 'through' their gunsight's crosshairs, and some seem to fly 'below' the crosshairs. For example, the 109 and Mustang are 'through the crosshairs' types and the FW 190 and Spitfire are 'below the crosshairs' types.

There's a tendency to fly too low in the 'below the crosshairs' types; I think that their line of flight is beneath the aiming point of their gunsights.

cheers

horseback

mortoma
08-15-2007, 06:09 AM
Anybody besides me try the "Octopussy" stunt by flying through the small hangers at the Tarawa airstrip?? Too bad you can't get the doors to start closing so you have to roll sideways like James Bond did in the movie!! That would rule......

mortoma
08-15-2007, 06:14 AM
Oh, by the way. If you are going to try a plane with a medium wingspan, try taxiing through first to see if the wings will fit through. The KI-43 Oscar barely fits through the doors and I have flown the Oscar through twice. But I admit most times I crash it by hitting end of wings on the doors. With Brewster or I-16, I can make it almost every time now. You have about one to two meters clearance if you go through smack in the middle with those two.

DKoor
08-15-2007, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Bridges are a blast to fly under...though be cautious when you see some of the vids - a "trick" to some of the unbelievable stuff is to fly using reduced time compression then alter the speed when producing the final vid so it plays at "normal" speed. It is REALLY easy to fly through hangers, under tight bridges, etc. when you cut the simulation speed to 1/2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree........that is why I need to see the track with that little green dot in the upper right corner (meaning it was recorded online). Or a TRK format (also cannot be manipulated with speeds because it gets screwed.
Normally created TRK (no screwing with game speed) works on 90% machines.

Otherwise it can always be 1/2 or even 1/4.

NeuralTech
08-15-2007, 08:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
Here's my quick familiarization flight; you can do this in most fighters in the game, but you have to work harder more on some planes than on others. I use it as a way of making sure I have a handle on a new aircraft I'm going to be flying in a current campaign.

I've done it successfully in most major fighter types except the P-38 and Bf 110G, because they're simply too big to fit through the pedestrian bridges the course ends with. Of course, in many cases, it was a much earlier patch version of the game, although I find that I am usually sh*t hot in most patch versions flying the Bf 109E/F/G, the P-40/B/E/M, and the Soviet mainstays. Late war US mainstays are a bit touchier, however, and generally require a lot of effort to master. This is also true of the FW 190, to a lesser degree.

In QMB, select the Smolensk map, your fighter (for most US types, I choose 75% fuel or less), no opposing or enemy aircraft and head east down the river, going under each bridge's center span as you encounter it. I try to keep my throttle at around 60%, and in most of the advanced types, this will result in around 400kph or more. In a Mustang or other US fighter type, I go with a Prop Pitch of 60% and a throttle of approximately 75%, which will result in an RPM of around 2500, a cooler running engine, and about the same speeds or better (in the Mustang's case, much better, but it handles better over 250 mph anyway).

Follow the river until you reach the city of Smolensk, where there are two rivers joining it from the north. At this point, you take the first river on the left, through the center span of the railroad bridge (this is a bit tighter fit than the basic bridge span), and follow the river's course until you get under the third bridge, at which point you roll right, cross over to the other river, and take it back south towards the city.

After the third bridge on this river (a lower bridge than the average), it takes a sharp right turn, but you will continue south a bit, rolling right and turning back around back west, crossing back to the main river and then lining up on the pedestrian bridges over the railroad on the north bank of the original river. Ideally, you should be on a course of 316 degrees, and no higher than 10 meters above the ground/river surface. Watch out for the light pole on the left of the rails – you can snag your port wing on it.

There are two pedestrian bridges crossing the rails here; the best way to make it through both of them is to line up on the second bridge well before you're through the first one.

Once through the second bridge, keep as close to your 316 degree heading as you can,
then (smoothly) pull up and zoom climb as high as you can get before you're almost out of airspeed.

At that point, you should be over 500 meters, so you will be able to roll over, split S, and head BACK under the two pedestrian bridges. This is somewhat harder than making the first pass under them. Then you land at the paved field to your north.

I generally botch the landings after making it through the bridges both times...

I can usually do it after four or five flights with a new type, and then manage it at least every other time as long as I keep current in the type. As I said, though, the Mustang and other late war US fighters are much tougher to do this in consistently.

Their size is undoubtedly a factor, but they also seem to require more ˜touch' than the other fighters.

You'll also find that some aircraft seem to fly 'through' their gunsight's crosshairs, and some seem to fly 'below' the crosshairs. For example, the 109 and Mustang are 'through the crosshairs' types and the FW 190 and Spitfire are 'below the crosshairs' types.

There's a tendency to fly too low in the 'below the crosshairs' types; I think that their line of flight is beneath the aiming point of their gunsights.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOW!! Thanks for all that info... I'm definitely going to try that out!! can't wait until I get home tonight.

NeuralTech
08-15-2007, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adam906:
try a dry cargo carrier on the move: Between the masts and assorted clothes lines hanging everywhere

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/adam906/11-2.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/adam906/22.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/adam906/33.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

THAT looks really, really hard! Kicka**, I can't WAIT to try that, lol - should take me all night.

Thank you, sir!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

NeuralTech
08-15-2007, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;Was the 1st pilot in this sim to fly a Pe-8 under a bride INVERTED. Was on TX OC3 server a few years back. there were several witneses to that one. lol was also the 1st to tripple loop a Tb-3. A feat i will gladly exahbation anytime. Can even do it with I-16's mounted under the wings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm unfamiliar with the Pe-8. The hardest thing I've flown so far has been the 4 engine Russian Bomber.... is this Pe-8 even less maneuverable than that?



gonna post these vids in the coming hour, can't wait to get y'alls feedback on 'em http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

birdy1964
08-15-2007, 04:43 PM
Hi I'm new and thought i would have a go at flying under a bridge. Don't get me wrong this isn't a brag or me showing off but i just wanted to see if I could do it and I'm sure there are better ones out there than my flight but see what you think. Here is the link... http://www.zshare.net/download/3156074136d7ae/
sorry but i forgot to zip it but please have a look and give me some feed back.

EiZ0N
08-15-2007, 08:32 PM
What's wrong with youtube?

No offence to you guys, but I think most virtua-pilots can fly under bridges, be it inverted or not, as long as the aircraft is physically able to fit under. Far too many hours of playing this game not to be able to.

Rjel
08-15-2007, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EiZ0N:
What's wrong with youtube?

No offence to you guys, but I think most virtua-pilots can fly under bridges, be it inverted or not, as long as the aircraft is physically able to fit under. Far too many hours of playing this game not to be able to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've got to remember there are a lot of new pilots around here since 1946 was released. Not all of them have been around for the entire series. A lot of this is still new to them.

EiZ0N
08-15-2007, 08:58 PM
Sorry, I was feeling like a bit of an old miser when I posted that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"I've flown under more bridges upside down in a TB-3 with no wings than you've had hot dinners sonny!"

DanoClark
08-16-2007, 03:11 AM
I think I have the track somewhere...

Also done the TB3 and lost the tail as somebody already posting pictures of, although I did make it properly after by pulling up as the front end goes through which drops the tail enough to come through unscathed, so long as you time it right.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/daniel.clarke17/he111.jpg

mortoma
08-16-2007, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EiZ0N:
What's wrong with youtube?

No offence to you guys, but I think most virtua-pilots can fly under bridges, be it inverted or not, as long as the aircraft is physically able to fit under. Far too many hours of playing this game not to be able to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've got to remember there are a lot of new pilots around here since 1946 was released. Not all of them have been around for the entire series. A lot of this is still new to them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactly, it's no big deal to fly under a bridge to us vets, I've done it a lot and long ago. But we were all at this point a long time ago, when we were noobs ourselves. I don't even think it's a big deal to fly through the hangers like I posted about. But thought it was good to mention it and good practice for the new people. By the way, those hanger doors are wider than I thought. I can consistently get a early P-40/Hawk 75 through the hanger now.

Morteiin
08-16-2007, 05:07 PM
Not trying to spam or distract, but just thought I'd mention it as it was inspired by this thread -

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3701069285

Les.

neural_dream
08-16-2007, 06:25 PM
NeuralTech?!! If we find one more we can pretend belonging to a neural squadron http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

MrMojok
08-16-2007, 06:32 PM
Keep recruiting, you guys are halfway to a Finger Four.

NeuralTech
08-20-2007, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
NeuralTech?!! If we find one more we can pretend belonging to a neural squadron http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


I was surprised to see someone else with the word Neural in their name..... I've yet to see anyone else using Neural in a name for anything be it djing, production of games/music/vids/etc...


I thought I was the only one, thank god you don't have Tech at the end http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Guys, I've been practicing like a banshee.... I can take on a single ACE and 2 novices = very tough right now....

I know I shouldn't be having "turning matches" in the P-51, but I'm working on some strats that I haven't see anyone exhibit in some random online dogfights. That, and I've been putting some time in the Zero... god, I love the X response in that thing.


This game is just... sick... sick and more...


I wish there was a helicopter game as good as IL2 when it comes to realism, modeling, and general feel.... was playing LHX all weekend (lol, anyone remember that one?).

Bremspropeller
08-20-2007, 02:03 PM
Ask JtD for fun involving a bridge.

Poker_4H
08-20-2007, 03:39 PM
Think I still have the track somewhere .. but anyway .....
I promise .. was never done w/ slow speed.
The other Horsemen will attest that I've done it or similar online also....
my humble submission:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/RAF74_Poker/checkingstacks.jpg