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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-24-2004, 06:42 PM
Well most problems i do have in the FW are from the limited forward View, u just can't track your own tracers not talking about any target.
And these are the reasons:

- the bar, which is too much work and won't be done in FB anymore, no discussing about that.

- but we have that blinding SMG in the front, which can't be seperated from the inner-cannons.

- since the Muzzle Flash is not going to be fixed (too much work?). i thought about seperating the SMG/HMG-Later (MG17/MG131) by using the "enabele / disable Gunpods" button.

- it won't be unrealistic because the FW pilots had the ability to swith the weapons on and off as they wanted (MG-ON/OFF, ICannon-ON/OFF, oCannon-ON/OFF)

please think about it.

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[This message was edited by ToP_BlackSheep on Thu July 29 2004 at 12:30 PM.]

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-24-2004, 06:42 PM
Well most problems i do have in the FW are from the limited forward View, u just can't track your own tracers not talking about any target.
And these are the reasons:

- the bar, which is too much work and won't be done in FB anymore, no discussing about that.

- but we have that blinding SMG in the front, which can't be seperated from the inner-cannons.

- since the Muzzle Flash is not going to be fixed (too much work?). i thought about seperating the SMG/HMG-Later (MG17/MG131) by using the "enabele / disable Gunpods" button.

- it won't be unrealistic because the FW pilots had the ability to swith the weapons on and off as they wanted (MG-ON/OFF, ICannon-ON/OFF, oCannon-ON/OFF)

please think about it.

UPDATE:http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/FB/Screens/FW190A4gunnery.JPG

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[This message was edited by ToP_BlackSheep on Thu July 29 2004 at 12:30 PM.]

Willey
07-24-2004, 06:49 PM
I'd rather just like to leave them at home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif - 74,4kgs less of useless ballast in my FW.

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The easy way would be declaring the cowling MGs as "gun pods". There's a gun pod switch which could deactivate them already. Right now it disables the outer cannons which is nonsense as they have an own trigger. Back in Il-2 it was useful. 1: MGs, 2: all cannons. This switch would unplug the outer ones so I could fire with either the MGs, the inner cannons or all 4 saving the ammo in the outer ones.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-24-2004, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
Well most problems i do have in the FW are from the limited forward View, u just can't track your own tracers not talking about any target.
And these are the reasons:

- the bar, which is too much work and won't be done in FB anymore, no discussing about that.

- but we have that blinding SMG in the front, which can't be seperated from the inner-cannons.

- since the Muzzle Flash is not going to be fixed (too much work?). i thought about seperating the SMG/HMG-Later (MG17/MG131) by using the "enabele / disable Gunpods" button.

- it won't be unrealistic because the FW pilots had the ability to swith the weapons on and off as they wanted (MG-ON/OFF, ICannon-ON/OFF, oCannon-ON/OFF)


please think about it.

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a BIG bump for this

good post black i also would like this to happen and it shouldnt be to much work to get it done. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lets hope oleg will listen to this valid request,we know hes busy with PF and all and he allready works his a$$ off
but maybe we can get this option when PF/AEP are merged and have to be patched

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WWMaxGunz
07-24-2004, 07:00 PM
Something needs to be done! Same for 109's and 110.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-24-2004, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Something needs to be done! Same for 109's and 110.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?

u have two buttons on your stick one for MG and one for Cannon, works fine in a 109 or 110.

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Atzebrueck
07-24-2004, 07:32 PM
Good idea.

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Baltar
07-24-2004, 07:38 PM
Why is adjusting the cockpit out of the question???

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Stefan-R
07-25-2004, 01:21 AM
Better implement some kind off "Weapon switch"-Button, which could be also used for bombrelease ect.

CHDT
07-25-2004, 01:50 AM
Very good idea.

Not unrealistic and probably only a very little work of programming time.

Chuck_Older
07-25-2004, 07:47 AM
SMG? A light machine gun would be LMG, wouldn't it?

SMG is a submachine gun, basically a hand held automatic weapon that fires sub-sonic rounds http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Gryphonne
07-25-2004, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>SMG? A light machine gun would be LMG, wouldn't it?

SMG is a submachine gun, basically a hand held automatic weapon that fires sub-sonic rounds <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are two check lights for "SMG 176", they are next to the ammo counter in the FW 190.

SMG would mean submachine gun in English but i think that the sMG in the pit means heavy machinegun (In German of course). Also SMG rounds are not sub sonic.

Excellent idea in the first post btw!

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IVJG51_Swine
07-25-2004, 09:47 AM
I agree, btw, I think it's good we continue to bring these issues up in positive ways if possible. I realize nothing will be done for IL-2FB/AEP but for BOB and later additions it's very important.

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Ky√¬∂sti Karhila being attacked by Soviet La-5:
"Do you hear the sound of passing enemy projectiles?
No, it is masked by the sound of your engine and the airflow, but I heard the tac-tac-tac of the enemy guns."
- Ky√¬∂sti Karhila, Finnish fighter ace. 32 victories. Source: Interview by Finnish Virtual Pilots Association.

"-Can you hear the engine of another plane if you are flying next to it?
No, since your own engine is closer and its noise drowns that of the other one. But you can feel taking a hit, it is like "clack, clack". The holes then were the holes of the splinters of a heavy AAA shell."
- Ky√¬∂sti Karhila, Finnish fighter ace.
---------------------------------------------
"- What effect does the weapons' recoil have?
Nnooo, it has no effect, you don't push the trigger all the time. You fire accurate shots. And you don't have so many rounds.
- Smoke? The smoke of the cannon or the mg's? Does it affect visibility when firing?
Nothing, no smoke, no effect to view."
- V√¬§in√¬∂ Pokela, Finnish fighter ace and Me 109 trainer. 5 victories. Source: Interview of V√¬§in√¬∂ Pokela by Finnish Virtual Pilots Association.
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About gun muzzle flashes on Me 109 G:
"I have specifically asked this from Ky√¬∂sti Karhila, a FiAF H75A and Bf 109 ace.
Of the shake he noted that there practically was none, and in fact you had hard time even hearing your guns firing because there is so much other noise in a fighter aircraft. This is specially interesting as his preferred ride in Bf 109's was the three cannon Bf 109 G-6/R6. Same with the muzzle flash, he dryly noted that there was none visible to the pilot, not even from the 13mm cowl guns.
For marketability reasons these effects just seem to be generally overmodelled in some flight simulators. Possibly because of the muzzle flashes in Hollywood movies, where blanks are being fired. Blank ammo does cause sizable muzzle flash, because the powder is different from the one used in live ammo, and because there practically is no bullet slowing down the exit of the hot gases."
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PraetorHonoris
07-25-2004, 01:44 PM
interessting point!
If Oleg won't change the muzzle flash, maybe we can avoid it if we deactivate the MG.

Unless Olegs wants the Lw to fly blinded... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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p1ngu666
07-25-2004, 02:37 PM
isnt this option on the A4?

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-25-2004, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gryphonne:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>SMG? A light machine gun would be LMG, wouldn't it?

SMG is a submachine gun, basically a hand held automatic weapon that fires sub-sonic rounds <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are two check lights for "SMG 176", they are next to the ammo counter in the FW 190.

SMG would mean submachine gun in English but i _think_ that the sMG in the pit means heavy machinegun (In German of course). Also SMG rounds are not sub sonic.

Excellent idea in the first post btw!

_Take a look to the sky just before you die, it's the last time you will!_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SMG, was my fault should mean small but u can say LMG too, actually u can say crowling MG's but that's not the point...

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@Pingu:

no.
i think u are referring to the A4 which has only the inner Cannons.
But this version performs even worse than the "Default" A4.
BTW i don't say the guns are completly useless, but they are no help while aiming and tracking your gunnery. (so i would like to have an option to disable them, unlink them from the electrical system)

Dilbert-A-
07-26-2004, 12:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
SMG, was my fault should mean small but u can say LMG too, actually u can say crowling MG's but that's not the point...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm pretty sure it means "schweres Maschinengewehr" or heavy machine gun, just as Gryphonne said.

WWMaxGunz
07-26-2004, 01:35 AM
Something must be done, I mean to kill the flash or reduce it.
I cannot imagine flying especially early 109's and not being able to use
the MG's effectively!


Neal

JG53_Matzen
07-26-2004, 02:19 AM
nice idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JAS_Gripen
07-26-2004, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I'd rather just like to leave them at home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif - 74,4kgs less of useless ballast in my FW.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are in good company. Erich Rudorffer had the peashooters removed as useless and the throughs faired over in his 190A6. But I guess a major ace and leader gets more leeway.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-26-2004, 11:36 AM
i'll bump this thread until we get an official response.

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-26-2004, 03:57 PM
as i said...

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-27-2004, 07:37 AM
im bumping with ya buddy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Willey
07-27-2004, 08:47 AM
bumpage http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NegativeGee
07-27-2004, 12:14 PM
This is a good idea in theory, but should be only be implemented on aircraft that historically had such weapon selection capabilities. I don't know if all FW's had the ability to select any pairs of weapons to fire at a given time.

At the moment the gun pods command controls the outboard wing cannons (if carried) on the FW's. If no outboard cannons or gun pods are carried the command [toggle gun pods] does not have a function.

However, it presents problems for the A8/A9 drivers out there. If carrying dual MG-151/20 or MK-103 pods the command is required to allow those weapon systems to be switched on and off.

So it seems to me the gun pod command selection could be changed to affect the cowl mounted MG's. but this only works for aircraft not carrying gun pods.

Other than that, change weapon 1 command to control all wing mounted cannons and weapon 2 to be assigned to just fire the cowl mounted MG's.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - G√ľnther Rall

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-27-2004, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
This is a good idea in theory, but should be only be implemented on aircraft that historically had such weapon selection capabilities. I don't know if all FW's had the ability to select any pairs of weapons to fire at a given time.

At the moment the gun pods command controls the outboard wing cannons (if carried) on the FW's. If no outboard cannons or gun pods are carried the command [toggle gun pods] does not have a function.

However, it presents problems for the A8/A9 drivers out there. If carrying dual MG-151/20 or MK-103 pods the command is required to allow those weapon systems to be switched on and off.

So it seems to me the gun pod command selection could be changed to affect the cowl mounted MG's. but this only works for aircraft not carrying gun pods.

Other than that, change weapon 1 command to control all wing mounted cannons and weapon 2 to be assigned to just fire the cowl mounted MG's.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - G√ľnther Rall

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why do u wan'T to swith the gunpods (outerCannons) on or off with the gunpod switch, tey are linked to secendary fire.
Press Fire1, shooting Inner Cannons and Cowling MG's. Press Fire2, shooting the outer Cannons/gunpods/MK108.

the "Gunpod-Swich" is totaly useless.

and all the guns on FW were electronical fired, and had to be unlocked [released] individually (in pairs).

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NegativeGee
07-28-2004, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
why do u wan'T to swith the gunpods (outerCannons) on or off with the gunpod switch, tey are linked to secendary fire.
Press Fire1, shooting Inner Cannons and Cowling MG's. Press Fire2, shooting the outer Cannons/gunpods/MK108.

the "Gunpod-Swich" is totaly useless.

and all the guns on FW were electronical fired, and had to be unlocked [released] individually (in pairs).

http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/pics/ajatus.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me put it another way: in the case of dual MG-151/20 and MK-103 pods and outboard cannons, it is useful. For example I assign my primary trigger to the fire weapon 1+2 command. Using the toggle gun pods command allows me to use this trigger to fire inboard cannons and cowl MG's without firing the pod cannons as well.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - G√ľnther Rall

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-28-2004, 05:19 AM
ok than just give back the "old facioned way" of the guns from Original IL-2.

just link all Cannons to Button 2 and the MG to button1.
Let the gunpod-swith swith the outer cannons, and everybody would be happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i can shoot without beein blinded by muzzle flash.
and u can disable you MK gunpods as u wished..

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-28-2004, 11:13 AM
ups, i did it again ...

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PraetorHonoris
07-28-2004, 01:32 PM
BlackSheep, you shameless bumper...

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-28-2004, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
BlackSheep, you shameless bumper...

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/8182/siglan1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gifhmm what are u talking about?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

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crazyivan1970
07-28-2004, 05:51 PM
Official responce: NO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VOL_Hans
07-28-2004, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Official responce: NO, it will remain non-historical. You must all suffer with the incorrect weapons selection options. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-29-2004, 02:17 AM
well but, not all have to suffer from beeing blinded while shooting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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starfighter1
07-29-2004, 03:02 AM
hi,
welcome to Maddox specific virtual simworld demon:

give your good ideas a small chance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-29-2004, 01:06 PM
hey mates, look what i found.

this is what the object Viewer of FB AND Il-2 says.
http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/FB/Screens/FW190A4gunnery.JPG

http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/pics/ajatus.jpg

DarthBane_
07-29-2004, 03:40 PM
So what is the problem, why cant it be like stated in object viewer? Strange there is nothing about ufo spits there, yet we have tham ingame http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

NegativeGee
07-29-2004, 04:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Official responce: NO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that an "Offical Oleg said no" response or a CrazyIvan "I'm pulling your leg offical no" response? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-29-2004, 08:03 PM
if we go by object viewer than this is simply a bug and must be fixed so.........

and i dont like the way Ivan put those smiles behind his reply ,was it intendet as a joke or what? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

maybe we should whine some more and oleg will give in and he will fix this .......erm overmodel :P no i mean bug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Airborn_
07-29-2004, 09:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
if we go by object viewer than this is simply a bug and must be fixed so.........
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I wonder what part of "ANY PAIR OF CANNONS OR MACHINE-GUNS COULD BE USED SEPARATELY OR SIMULTANEOUSLY" right there in their own viewer they don't understand.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

WUAF_Co_Hero
07-29-2004, 10:15 PM
In that case Ivan, how about modeling the FW's ability to dive at terminal velocity http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Can't hurt to ask http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-30-2004, 06:16 AM
--BUMBP--

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-30-2004, 02:09 PM
damn....i wanted to write something....

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-31-2004, 05:00 PM
ah now i know....

http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/FB/Screens/FW190A4gunnery.JPG

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JaBo_HH--Gotcha
08-01-2004, 04:17 AM
Bumping the hell out of this forums.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Time for a new crusade... after we lost in MF and the BAR let's go for the next ... (just kiddying.,..)

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
08-01-2004, 07:21 AM
hey black why dont you keep the part from the Object viewer as your sig hehe so we can always remind Oleg & Co http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Hey Gotcha first time i see you around here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
08-01-2004, 07:33 AM
you are probably right...maybe i should

http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/FB/Screens/Fw%20190A-4guns.JPG (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=185103665)

DarthBane_
08-01-2004, 11:09 AM
Great, to remind those who have forgotten how it realy functioned, even Janes ww2 had it, what is exactly the problem about this issue?

JaBo_HH--Gotcha
08-01-2004, 02:08 PM
Why don't we all just use the text "The FW190 is all wrong" in our Sig ?

To sum it up.

1) Our view is Barred by solid steel. Kicking the bones out of a dead horse...

2) Our view is BARRED by flamethrower Muzzle flashes.kicking the guts of a fresh horse corpse

3) we can't switch through historical weapon configs in order to partially counter 1) and 2)

No offense to oleg though. I HOPE that he doesn't spend a single minute for FB and puts ALL his energy into BoB instead.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
08-01-2004, 03:01 PM
something like this?
sorry black i stole the link http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
08-01-2004, 05:29 PM
hehe sunny...^^

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Brotrob
08-12-2004, 09:04 AM
Revanche-BUMP

CHDT
08-12-2004, 11:37 AM
Last night, a Hurri touched my 190 and made both of my MG cowl guns jamm: how confortable it was after to fight this way!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A "jam" fonction for the cowl guns would be great on the 190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

DarthBane_
08-12-2004, 06:09 PM
Its ok with jam yust put it in. Thank you.

Airborn_
08-13-2004, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Its ok with jam yust put it in. Thank you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's no need for that even. They can simply model us a hammer and we'll do it ourselves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

DarthBane_
08-14-2004, 07:28 AM
Agreed, than before pressing 'i' for engine, use the newly asigned key for damaging mg-s, ok with me. But will it affect the already porked FM for this undermodeling champion of il2?

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
08-14-2004, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
But will it affect the already porked FM for this undermodeling champion of il2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

of cause, since you can than finially see where you are shooting the FM needs to be toned down, because if not this bird could actually become a fighter....

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carguy_
08-17-2004, 02:57 AM
bump

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PBNA-Boosher
08-17-2004, 07:08 AM
ya know, you could select which guns you wanted to fire in the P-39 too.

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Atomic_Marten
08-17-2004, 05:41 PM
If Fw190 pilots were able to choose what MG/CN pair to fire, then one big *bump* for this idea.

Also one of the top Soviet aces Sasha Pokryshkin actually asked his mechanic Schmud to connect his triggers for MG's and CN so when he press only one button he will then fire with everything that is mounted on his A/C. But for the rest of us mortals (at least for me), best shooting results in game are achieved when P-39 armament aren't always fired together at the same time.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
08-19-2004, 07:30 AM
ahh...well

we could add this to the usual fw 190 request...

BTW: the ammo-counters are wrong, too...
should only display inner and outer cannons, the two small lights are for the MG's.

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