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goshikisen
04-23-2006, 08:57 AM
If you go to the RRG Studios website (Luthier's company - responsible for creating the add ons) you'll find the description for the VVS'46 add on states:

"Take flight in the aircraft that would have controlled the skies over the Eastern Front had the war lasted another year, into 1946! Fly such advanced aircraft as the MiG-9 for the Red Airforce, Ar-234 for the Luftwaffe, and many more!"

The Arado jet bomber flyable! If that is truly the case then I have just become a big fan of this particular product.

There are also a number of screenshots for the various add ons. Here is one of them:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/3_full.jpg

goshikisen
04-23-2006, 08:57 AM
If you go to the RRG Studios website (Luthier's company - responsible for creating the add ons) you'll find the description for the VVS'46 add on states:

"Take flight in the aircraft that would have controlled the skies over the Eastern Front had the war lasted another year, into 1946! Fly such advanced aircraft as the MiG-9 for the Red Airforce, Ar-234 for the Luftwaffe, and many more!"

The Arado jet bomber flyable! If that is truly the case then I have just become a big fan of this particular product.

There are also a number of screenshots for the various add ons. Here is one of them:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/3_full.jpg

Bluebeard2006
04-23-2006, 09:20 AM
Cooolllllllllll!Awesome!Brilliant! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Hey, what's the link to Lutier's site http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

goshikisen
04-23-2006, 09:27 AM
http://www.rrgstudios.com

NekoReaperman
04-23-2006, 09:45 AM
Ahh, brings me back to the glory days of pre-1995...

http://www.abandonia.com/games/en/154/images/games/Aces%20Over%20Europe6.png

Didnt the -235 have a periscope?


AND IS THAT A 'NELL?!?!?!??!

goshikisen
04-23-2006, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
Ahh, brings me back to the glory days of pre-1995...

http://www.abandonia.com/games/en/154/images/games/Aces%20Over%20Europe6.png

Didnt the -234 have a periscope?


AND IS THAT A 'NELL?!?!?!??! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 234 did have a periscope... memories of "Aces Over Europe".

The IJAAF bomber in the screenshot is a Sally.

SnailRunner
04-23-2006, 10:22 AM
wow the Sally......if this came as flyable i would dumb all my fighters and stuff and fly this thing. This was my main ride in almost a year in cfs2. This plane is sooooo cooool

jamesdietz
04-23-2006, 10:54 AM
Really can't we get the Dornier -17-217 series first????

JG52Uther
04-23-2006, 11:00 AM
James,I really dont think we will see the Dornier until BoB.I can live with that.(just)

goshikisen
04-23-2006, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
Really can't we get the Dornier -17-217 series first???? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm just happy that a usable Luftwaffe aircraft is being included... although the '46 stuff is very interesting it isn't really a deal sealer for me. The Blitz is a bonafide WWII aircraft... not a "what if" plane.

With-in the confines of the "jet powered" add on the 234 is a logical addition. I can't wait to pilot a Flying Pencil someday but I can see it not being added recently because it doesn't really fit in with the add ons and is perfect content for BoB.

ElAurens
04-23-2006, 06:04 PM
The Ki 21 will not be flyable.... AI only.

Hawgdog
04-23-2006, 08:42 PM
I'm holding out for the 1947 patch.

LEXX_Luthor
04-23-2006, 08:57 PM
1947? They made afterburner version of RD20 for MiG-9, but that "other" mig was built instead.

My fave of that era was Yak-19. Grewsum

panzerd18
04-23-2006, 09:49 PM
Don't get excited. These add-ons might not even make it outside Russia and CIS.

AKA_TAGERT
04-23-2006, 10:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
Ahh, brings me back to the glory days of pre-1995...

http://www.abandonia.com/games/en/154/images/games/Aces%20Over%20Europe6.png

Didnt the -234 have a periscope?


AND IS THAT A 'NELL?!?!?!??! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 234 did have a periscope... memories of "Aces Over Europe".

The IJAAF bomber in the screenshot is a Sally. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I remember the mod I made for AOE that gave the 234 rear firing 20mms.. that was fun.

What plane is this? The Mig-9?
http://www.rrgstudios.com/img/1946/1_full.jpg

JG53Frankyboy
04-24-2006, 08:09 AM
MiG-9, yes.

A.K.Davis
04-24-2006, 08:53 AM
Okay, so a discussion at SimHQ has prompted an interesting question: how will the '46 scenario be made plausible considering that the Soviet jets utilized German engine designs made availabe after Germany's defeat?

SaQSoN
04-24-2006, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Okay, so a discussion at SimHQ has prompted an interesting question: how will the '46 scenario be made plausible considering that the Soviet jets utilized German engine designs made availabe after Germany's defeat? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
First German jet engines were captured by Soviets at the late 1944. The work on some of the early Soviet jet fighters was started in mid-1944.
Besides this, in 1942 first prototype of Soviet jet engine was started, but the work was abandoned due to the Leningrad blockade. It was renewed at 1944 as well.
Since the "alternative" course of war in the add-on campaign possibly starts at late 1943 (Kiev operation failed), we may suggest, that war lasted 1 year (or so) longer, Germans managed to deploy their jets in larger quantities and first samples of them were captured at the Eastern front even earlier, then in late 1944. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You see, if we speak about "alternative history", we already speak about fantasy scenario. And thus we may allow us any "comfortable" twist of the real course of things. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
04-24-2006, 09:33 AM
im looking forward to these fights between the light fighters He162vsYak-15 and the "heavy" ones Me262/Go229vsMiG-9 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and on the ground the Ar234 and IL10 will bring havoc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

csThor
04-24-2006, 09:58 AM
Well then let's hope that "fantasy" is just about the scenario and not about getting the addon in the West at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
04-24-2006, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
Okay, so a discussion at SimHQ has prompted an interesting question: how will the '46 scenario be made plausible considering that the Soviet jets utilized German engine designs made availabe after Germany's defeat? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Most of the work on these types started around January 1945 before Germany's defeat. They had captured more than enough to get their own program underway. The Yak-15 is just a Yak-3U (Yak-3, all metal, ASh-82FN engine) with some changes and a jet engine....so most of these were very quick stopgap designs. The Mig-9 was truer to being an all new design...I think the P-80 design fits somewhere in between being a semi-conventional WWII design but with a jet engine. Its an interesting period where lots of prop fighters were modified to be jet fighters and so forth.

NagaSadow84
04-26-2006, 06:52 AM
Wasn't the MiG-9 based on some Design by Focke-Wulf?

269GA-Veltro
04-26-2006, 07:44 AM
If we could have this one.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

http://freeweb.supereva.com/arse.freeweb/me262B1au1.jpg

alert_1
04-26-2006, 08:55 AM
RD 10/RD 20 was jjust renamed Ggerman BMW 003/Jumo 004..so we coudnt have *some* planes due to not having EXACT cockpit layout etc, but now we just jump righ into fantasy world withou any hesitation maybe only to prove that soviet technology was ahead of anything LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DuxCorvan
04-26-2006, 09:32 AM
Ar 234 is by no means a fantasy plane -it served in small but significant numbers for months before VE day.

As for MiGs, well, it was MiG-15 which was inspired by a Kurt Tank design.

269GA-Veltro
04-26-2006, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Ar 234 is by no means a fantasy plane -it served in small but significant numbers for months before VE day.

As for MiGs, well, it was MiG-15 which was inspired by a Kurt Tank design. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blitz was also in Italy.....as for the P-80. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Arado 234 as said IS NOT a fantasy plane.
I was not interest at all in the VVS addon, but i'll buy it for sure now because of the Arado (great idea Oleg, thank). We could fly it in the historical FB, and left the Mig-9 and others UFO for the fantasy scenarios.

Tater-SW-
04-26-2006, 09:59 AM
I have zero interest in the '46 add on. Less than zero, even if the arado is in it since I have no interest in jets in ww2. Unless the '46 add on has nukes as a B-29 loadout http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tater

SaQSoN
04-26-2006, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As for MiGs, well, it was MiG-15 which was inspired by a Kurt Tank design. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was not. MiG-15 is a direct derivative from MiG-9, based on British engine design and German and Russian scientific developments in the field of trans-sonic aerodynamics, to which K.Tank has very little relations.
MiG-9, in turn is a genuine Russian development, based mostly on American all-metal airframe and alluminum alloy technologies and German jet engines.
MiG-9 served within Soviet and Chinese airforce since 1946 till 1951. And it was mass-produced in both countries.
So, it is also not an "UFO" or "Fantasy" plane. And it is much better documented and preserved, then many WWII planes, particulary the Japanese ones.

NagaSadow84
04-26-2006, 12:37 PM
There's certainly a resemblance.

http://www.luft46.com/fw/3bfjp045.jpg

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/mig9/mig9-9.jpg

LEXX_Luthor
04-26-2006, 02:24 PM
NagaSadow84:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There's certainly a resemblance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Indeed. Focke Wulf copied the jet LaGG from 1943...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Back to quoting the mentioned source, p435: "In the war years the work on development of A.M.Lyulka's RTD-1 engine continued.... In 1943 under the leadership of M.I.Gudkov (one of the designers of the known LaGG-3 piston- engined fighter), a variant of the LaGG-3 powered by the RTD-1 engine was being designed. The engine was to be installed in the "step" layout at the bottom of the fuselage with jet exhaust under the tail [Yak-15 look-alike]. The maximum speed of the modified LaGG-3 was estimated at 900km/h".

~ http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/JetEngines.html (http://aeroweb.lucia.it/%7Eagretch/RAFAQ/JetEngines.html)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think this is the jet lagg (never flown) we are, or were, getting over the 46.

LEXX_Luthor
04-26-2006, 02:42 PM
Taters:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Unless the '46 add on has nukes as a B-29 loadout http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah yes, a LeMay sim has never been done before. Oleg should keep going like Duracell Bunny past 1946 and just keep on going, with new terrain engine for high altitude supersonic flight -- horizon distance of 300km and no less. Those tiny Earth Pancake terrains are getting old in combat flight sims.

Here is boopidoo's Su-15 and Kesselbrut's F-106 cockpits over the StrikeFighters -- the two highest quality pits available in any sim today in part due to "forgotten" subject matter.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/ee87a4f1.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/7e0a015b.jpg



Put a Big White B-70 on the Region 1 DVD box cover and Oleg can outsell all those F-16 Su-27 SuperStealthJetFighter pushbutton "mfd" hud games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AKA_TAGERT
04-26-2006, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NagaSadow84:
There's certainly a resemblance.

http://www.luft46.com/fw/3bfjp045.jpg

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/mig9/mig9-9.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup, round tires on both.

Irish_Rogues
04-27-2006, 06:44 AM
I'm not saying it means a hill of beans, but nobody can deny they do look rather similar. Far more so then having round tires. A lot of planes designed around the same time period will have similar features, much the same as current autos.

zaelu
04-28-2006, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:...
Put a Big White B-70 on the Region 1 DVD box cover and Oleg can outsell all those F-16 Su-27 SuperStealthJetFighter pushbutton "mfd" hud games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a Lock On Flaming Cliffs Player I can tell you that is not about any SuperStealthJetFighter, it has a lot of buttons to push but a lot less than IL-2 should have if it would have been a "complete simulation" and IL-2 series outselled from long time this game in particular.

Ah... and Lock On looks a little better than IL-2 or Strike Fighters

actionhank1786
04-28-2006, 03:52 PM
I for one am thrilled about the possibility of this add on.
Just the fact taht you're flying rare designs.
Add to that my Grandpa was part of a P-51 flight that shot down a 234, i think that'd make for a hell of a chase.
Does anyone know how many of the 234's got the rear facing 20mms?

269GA-Veltro
04-29-2006, 02:20 AM
Could we have now USA and UK as blue players? 1946 could be (it was) the beginning of the cold war.

TheGozr
04-29-2006, 02:44 AM
1946? what for? at list we will be able to make some kind of like Korea map.. 1946....? just re-work the old cockpits for Gashh SaKe. stop teh non sens.

"1946 what if the war went one more year.." comonnnn!

BerkshireHunt
04-29-2006, 09:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Does anyone know how many of the 234's got the rear facing 20mms? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

None of the production versions - they were fitted to a couple of prototypes and found to be ineffective.

theRealAntEater
04-29-2006, 10:49 AM
I hope they model the avionics of the Ar 234 correctly.
Since a single pilot had to do the task that was done by three people in normal german bombers (pilot, observer, radioman) and a lot faster than normal, the Ar 234 was heavily automated.
For glide bombing attacks, it had the Stuvi/BZA system that is allready there for the Ju 88 and Ju 87D-5, but with a periscopic sight.
But for level bombing, it had the LKS 7D autopilot bombsight.
If I understood it correctly, all the pilot had to do was acquire the target somewhat ahead of the plane, dial in correct altitude and airspeed and the autopilot would fly the plane to the release point and release the bombs.
AFAIK the guns were still factory installed in all B-2s, but often removed in the field.
Recon versions did not carry guns at all.

darkhorizon11
05-03-2006, 09:17 AM
Yeah the ironically the 234 is just a late war uber plane that got left behind. The A version is actually a 1944 model...

Though I wasn't aware they served in Italy...

A rocket engine Helmutschultzer version of the 262 would be pretty sweet too, that probably would be the ultimate interceptor!

csThor
05-03-2006, 09:25 AM
Hmmm ... I just heard two sweet keywords on the german board:

MG 213 and Mk 213 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

darkhorizon11
05-03-2006, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BerkshireHunt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Does anyone know how many of the 234's got the rear facing 20mms? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

None of the production versions - they were fitted to a couple of prototypes and found to be ineffective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats suprising it seems to work great on the Betty!

Viper2005_
05-03-2006, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThor:
Hmmm ... I just heard two sweet keywords on the german board:

MG 213 and Mk 213 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To which list you might add Ta-183. Now all we need is the mighty X-4 to go with it, and we've got the makings of a really interesting fight.

I hope that the red team get enough '46 stuff to make things fair; it'd be nice to be able to fly these wonderful new toys online http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

actionhank1786
05-03-2006, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BerkshireHunt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Does anyone know how many of the 234's got the rear facing 20mms? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

None of the production versions - they were fitted to a couple of prototypes and found to be ineffective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thats suprising it seems to work great on the Betty! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well on the betty there was a guy in a bubble firing and could move the gun around on the arc.
From what i've read about the Blitz, it was a fixed mount like how the guns on the other planes fire forwards, except it fires to the rear, so the pilot had to pop up his periscope and try to maneuver the plane around to get the shells to land where they needed, i guess when you're trying to move a bomber around enemy fire, the last thing you want to do is be looking through a periscope firing from your rear.

goshikisen
05-03-2006, 03:02 PM
A few new screenshots of the AR234 have been added to the RRG Studios site. Thought it might be interesting to composite one of them into a Slovakia map screenshot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/ar234.jpg

CUJO_1970
05-03-2006, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
1946? what for? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think they did it just to spite you.