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Pirschjaeger
08-04-2005, 12:03 AM
Check this out, I'm sure many are familiar with this story but it's the first time I've ever seen photos.

http://combatsim.bbs.net/bbs/01/967618.html

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-04-2005, 12:03 AM
Check this out, I'm sure many are familiar with this story but it's the first time I've ever seen photos.

http://combatsim.bbs.net/bbs/01/967618.html

Fritz

AerialTarget
08-04-2005, 12:07 AM
Some of them appear to be Photoshopped.

-HH-Dubbo
08-04-2005, 12:08 AM
That story still amazes me. Amazing series of pics.

AirborneCoyote
08-04-2005, 02:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AerialTarget:
Some of them appear to be Photoshopped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because some of them are. The ones that appear to be photoshopped, show a normal F-15 landing but they removed the wing for dramatic effect.

The ones of it on the ground, and the story behind it are real. I saw that particular story, though I think it was on Discovery Wings (Now the Military Channel) when I saw it.

I might be wrong, though.

Badsight.
08-04-2005, 03:45 AM
all the pics of the Eagle on the ground are real

the underbody of the F15 generates lift , this Eagle had a wing sheared off in a collision & the stunned pilot realised he still had control so did not automatically bail , flew it back to base & landed on all wheels

Blottogg
08-04-2005, 04:02 AM
I hadn't seen some of those shots, thanks. The incident was real. An IDF F-15 mid-aired with an A-4 during training. As AC said, the pilot thought to eject, but noticed he still had control. He landed hot (I remember hearing ~300 kts, but I'm not sure) and took the arresting cable (probably the departure end cable.) The McDonnell Douglas engineers who looked at it afterwards said that without that piece of wing at the root, it wouldn't have been possible. As it was it probably took full differential stab (the horizontal tails can move in opposite directions for roll control...in this case providing some lift to the right side of the jet, too.) A very impressive bit of piloting overall.

IIRC, the A-4 didn't make it, but the pilot ejected successfully.

JG53Frankyboy
08-04-2005, 04:31 AM
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/NavyJB&W2/A5M-27.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WWeasel11
08-04-2005, 07:18 AM
A lesser Jet would have been toast. (The A-4 that mid-aired with it of course.)

Pirschjaeger
08-04-2005, 07:35 AM
I have thought about this before in the game. Some planes will sometimes lose only a small piece of the wing, such as the one posted 2 posts above this. But, have you ever noticed that you have the same amount/lack of control whether it's the complete wing or just a piece?

I'm not saying you should be able to fly home when you are missing a piece, but rather the control of the plane should be better than if you lost a complete wing. This has aggrevated me a few times since I was unable to get enough control to be able to bail. Just something I noticed.

Fritz

triggerhappyfin
08-04-2005, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/NavyJB&W2/A5M-27.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The story to this picture goes like:

WARRANT OFFICER KANICHI KASHIMURA

During the height of every armed conflict, a need arises to promote an outstanding individual as a role model for the rank and file. K Kashimura served this purpose in China, becoming known as "the pilot who returned on one wing"......//...On 9 December 1937 PO/3c Kashimura fought Curtiss Hawks over Nanking, destroying one and then colliding with another ac( an unknown type that could have been either Japanese or Chinese), tearing off a third of his left wing. Through superb piloting the calm aviator brought his crippled "Claude" back to base, and after four landing attempts, the aircraft somersaulted on touching the ground on its fourth approach and lost its tail in the subsequent crash. Astoundingly, the pilot walked away from the wreckage unharmed.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

p1ngu666
08-04-2005, 09:02 AM
proves the strength of japanease planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

there was a few similer cases, p40's aparently didnt handle that different missing part of teh wing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
got a pic of a mossie missing outer wing aswell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AerialTarget
08-04-2005, 09:29 AM
There have been quite a few of these. I've now seen that F-15 Eagle, an F/A-18 Hornet, that Jap ship up there, and at least one American one from World War Two - I think I remember a Jug. It does tend to show the physics model to be quite wrong in both Pacific Fighters and Lock On: Modern Air Combat.

Enforcer572005
08-04-2005, 10:07 AM
in Air Force magazine about 15 to 20 yrs ago, there was a feature and a similiar photo about an american F-15 that had a similiar incident/outcome. if i remember correctly, it had even less wing left, almost amputating it even wiht the wing root fairing. the article highlighted how the pilot used the flybywire and computer system, figured out the correct inputs on the way down, to compensate for the missing wing. the ability to articulate all the control systems etc in varied configurations contributed to the CCV program (i think), where they added some ventral control systems to an F16, allowing flat turns and bizarre attitudes during odd manuvering.

In hte mid 80s while i worked at Lockheed Ga at Dobbins AFB, i used to spend alot of time off the runway before i went to work on 2cd shift (was a great hill overlooking the base). after i went into work, i was outside and saw some emergency vehs careening across the field, and found out later that an F-16B came in wiht a third of one wing missing (was on the news). it had been filming a recruiting commercial and collided wiht a GA ANG F-15. the F15 guy punched out ok, but the f-16 made it back in. a NASCAR driver was in the back seat (allison i think). man if i had just been on that hill wiht my camera and 500 mm lens. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

horseback
08-04-2005, 03:38 PM
Multiple P-40s, P-38s and P-47s have survived midairs that cost part of a wing and successfully returned to base.

The most spectactular WWII example, however, was the P-38 that survived a 109 flying between its booms (the 109 and its pilot did not survive the experience), severing the port boom just ahead of the tail. The rear stabilizer was all that was holding it on...

The pilot managed to maintain control of his plane and RTB in North Africa, where, no doubt, the lowest ranking airman on base was tasked with cleaning the **** out of the cockpit while the pilot got thoroughly drunk on medicinal brandy.

cheers

horseback

WarWolfe_1
08-04-2005, 03:52 PM
Looked up tuff in the dicinary and found thishttp://www.flightjournal.com/fj/images/gallery/gallery_images/P47/P47_lg.jpg

LStarosta
08-04-2005, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WarWolfe_1:
Looked up tuff in the dicinary and found thishttp://www.flightjournal.com/fj/images/gallery/gallery_images/P47/P47_lg.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is f@cking sexy.

GAU-8
08-04-2005, 04:11 PM
put enough force behind it..anything can fly. so wings are not necessarily needed. they just "help"

telsono
08-04-2005, 05:16 PM
there is also a story about a P-38 in North Africa that was straffing too low. It hit the ground and a telephone pole and came back up in the air. One propeller was missing and part of the wing was crushed from the impact with the pole. the pilot made a wheels up landing at his base. there are photo's of it floating around.

I have hit flag poles in this game and have had wings sheared off. The flag poles in this game are definitedly over modelled.

Atomic_Marten
08-04-2005, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
http://combatsim.bbs.net/bbs/01/967618.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have some neat smileys on that site.http://combatsim.bbs.net/bbsimg/107.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
08-04-2005, 08:38 PM
I think the story behind this series of pix is based in Israel. An Israeli pilot under tuition from a training officer in the back seat collided with another aircraft and lost a wing.

The training officer immediately ordered to eject, but after a couple of seconds of feeling the controls, the pilot decided he had enough control to continue to pilot the aircrafft and declined to follow the order to eject from the training officer.

He proceeded to the airbase and landed.

The pilot was reprimanded for disobeying a direct order from his training officer and was demoted. But he was then subsequently promoted back to his previous rank for his great show of airmanship in landing the stricken aircraft.

The guys from McDonnell-Douglas came out to examine the aircraft and the conclusion was that the air intakes somehow had provided enough lift to keep the aircraft airborne, despite the lack of wing.

The aircraft was airborne again within weeks after the fitting of a new wing.

WarWolfe_1
08-04-2005, 09:00 PM
I can't find it now, but about 6 months ago I found a page linked to a modeling site that had a photo story of a A-10. It had taken ground fire and had shredded a motor on the port side, 1/2 the port wing, and port vertical stab. Didn't look airworthy at all, but it was flown back to base repaired and back in the air 18 days later. Amazing but thats what they are built for.

Badsight.
08-04-2005, 11:02 PM
was with a female at the controls too WarWolfe_1

like the Sturmovik , the Warthog pilots sit in a metal "bathtub" , a titanium bathtub

this is a Grumman Avenger from WW2 - i do not know whether he landed or ditched , bu it flew long enough for a photo to be set-up & taken

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/Avenger_dmg.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)