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Celeon999
07-01-2007, 03:38 AM
Some interesting news regarding ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Article (http://www.dw-world.com/dw/article/0,2144,2637505,00.html)

Celeon999
07-01-2007, 03:38 AM
Some interesting news regarding ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Article (http://www.dw-world.com/dw/article/0,2144,2637505,00.html)

Celeon999
07-01-2007, 03:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Some interesting news regarding ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Article (http://www.dw-world.com/dw/article/0,2144,2637505,00.html) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is a Google Earth pic with the Devil's Mountain highlighted. There is a mini-forest growing on it.

You can see the abandoned NSA listening station on top of it.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3594/teufelsbergar4.jpg

bunkerratt
07-01-2007, 12:09 PM
i too have seen information on this site here on the television very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bf2player2006
07-01-2007, 02:03 PM
Interesting... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Very nice find by the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VikingGrandad
07-01-2007, 02:38 PM
Very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'd never heard of this mountain before. They say the name "Devil's Mountain" is ironic - it's also ironic that a part of Speer's utopian Germania plan is covered by the remains of Berlin's destruction.

Let's hope the Underground Society gets permission to explore there.

Bockholt
07-01-2007, 11:44 PM
Well, yes...except that in the 'late 1930s' Speer wasn't going to construct any secret bunkers, he was going to build a huge, proud, over-the-top (in every sense of the phrase) range of neo-classical buildings, wasn't he?

That may have been the SITE for a military academy, but nothing ever came of it. The 'military academy' that they got was Russia's endless steppes...

If there are any late War bunkers down there they will contain what such places always contain - cement, rusty pipes & stagnant water. The nazi architectural legacy.

poakung
07-02-2007, 01:12 AM
i saw simmelar "Mouintain" outside Frankfurt, when i was visiting Kaiserslautern in 1998, it did make an strong impressinon on me

Messervy
07-02-2007, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bockholt:
If there are any late War bunkers down there they will contain what such places always contain - cement, rusty pipes & stagnant water. The nazi architectural legacy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Bockholt
07-02-2007, 11:27 PM
Es ist so. One rather amazing fact about Speer's architectural legacy is that the only surviving large space designed by him is in...

...London! I think the building is the former German Consulate in or near Waterloo Place which they spent a lot of money refurbishing in the 1930s. Speer did not design the exterior (probably by Robert Adam or some late 18th/early 19th Century architect), but I'm told he made a good job of the neo-classical interior which remains much as he arranged it. Don't think it still belongs to the German government & people, but it is 'Listed' and must be preserved by British law.

All his German city buildings were flattened; but some country houses may survive, including alterations to his farmhouse near Heidelberg.

pchandler13m
07-12-2007, 04:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Es ist so. One rather amazing fact about Speer's architectural legacy is that the only surviving large space designed by him is in...

...London! I think the building is the former German Consulate in or near Waterloo Place which they spent a lot of money refurbishing in the 1930s. Speer did not design the exterior (probably by Robert Adam or some late 18th/early 19th Century architect), but I'm told he made a good job of the neo-classical interior which remains much as he arranged it. Don't think it still belongs to the German government & people, but it is 'Listed' and must be preserved by British law.

All his German city buildings were flattened; but some country houses may survive, including alterations to his farmhouse near Heidelberg. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Didn't Speer design and/or build the Olympic stadium in Germany?

Celeon999
07-12-2007, 04:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Didn't Speer design and/or build the Olympic stadium in Germany? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Only 10 % of it. The architect was Werner March but Hitler was not pleased with his initial work (all steel framework was visible as part of a design which was considered modern back then) so he put Speer on his side who had the idea to alter its look by casing all of its outer walls with expensive shell limestone plates ,giving it an antique look.

Ive participated in its renovation works and worked all over the stadium from 2001 to 2004 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If someone is interested....ive made a lot of pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This is a typical example of what the Limestone walls look like. (Not mine, its from wikipedia)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Langemarck-Halle_Berlin.JPG

Liddabit
07-12-2007, 05:19 AM
What are those things on the wall signifying?
Looks like the nazi eagle sans swastika?

VikingGrandad
07-12-2007, 06:01 AM
I'm sure Celeon will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the eagle without the swastika is effectively the Prussian eagle, which was used on various flags from the 'old Germany' (before the 3rd Reich)

I'm guessing the plaques are a memorial to the German units which defended that area of Berlin in 1945.

Celeon999
07-12-2007, 06:05 AM
Thats the Langemarck hall underneath the bell tower of the stadium.

On the shields are the names of the units that fought in the Langemarck battle near Flanders in world war one. (Der Bockholt will know everything about it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

It was designed to look especially
dramatic during sunrise and sunset

http://www.glockenturm.de/en/bilder/langemarckhalle-2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/LH2.jpg/450px-LH2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/LH3.jpg/450px-LH3.jpg


Unbelievably hard to translate (very old-style poetic language)

But i will try :

You holy grey tiers, walk underneath clouds of glory and carry the bloodstained anointments of the secret kingship

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/LH5.jpg/799px-LH5.jpg

Live aloft o fatherland and dont count the dead, not a single one too much fell for you.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/LH4.jpg/799px-LH4.jpg

VikingGrandad
07-12-2007, 06:06 AM
I'm definitely wrong about that last bit!

It's a photo of the Langemarck-Halle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium%2C_Berlin#The_Langemarck-Halle) (commemorating a WW1 battle)

EDIT - Celeon beat me to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Celeon999
07-12-2007, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VikingGrandad:
I'm definitely wrong about that last bit!

It's a photo of the Langemarck-Halle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium%2C_Berlin#The_Langemarck-Halle) (commemorating a WW1 battle)

EDIT - Celeon beat me to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


1 minute http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


To the eagle : Yes. But the hall was build in 1936 so the eagle was propably intentionally shown "Nazi style"

It was destroyed in 1945 by russian tank fire as a Hitler youth sniper opened fire on them from that bell tower.

Werner March rebuild the hall in 1960 so thats propably the reason why the eagles now dont sit on a swastika http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Here is Bismarck, look at the flag

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Huldigung_von_Studenten_vor_Bismarck_vor_1890.jpg/800px-Huldigung_von_Studenten_vor_Bismarck_vor_1890.jpg

pchandler13m
07-12-2007, 02:03 PM
Speer was also supposed to build a "triumph arc". If I remember correctly he built a test platform that still stands as well as some other test beds to "bomb proof" the new "Germania" that Berlin was to become.

Celeon999
07-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Yes, that arc was supposed to have all the names of the fallen german soldiers of both world wars on it. It would had looked like the arc de triumph in Paris but 10 times bigger.

Which would had been necessary because of that name thingy alone, i guess http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Four super heavy steelbeton pillars were build in Berlin (and are still there today) to test if the soil would be capable to carry such heavy buildings like Hitler's favourite project, the great hall. (Berlin is build on sand soil)

The answer was : Yes, the pillars sank only unsignificantly into the soil. Theoreticly it was possible to build that hall in Berlin.


Another thing were some testing grounds on which strange multi-story apartment house like structures were build and then bombed.

Hitler had the idea of building a Berlin with bomb resistant steelbeton houses which all have their own air raid shelters underneath them. Another one of his mad "Germania" ideas.

A areal bombing resistant city so to say.

pchandler13m
07-12-2007, 02:55 PM
I thought it was determined that because the pillars sank 7 inches into the swampy Berlin soil that the arc could not could not be constructed. I did see some images from the "bomb proofing" experiments, nasty business trying to make a building impenitrable by 47mm rockets. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Celeon999
07-12-2007, 03:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pchandler13m:
I thought it was determined that because the pillars sank 7 inches into the swampy Berlin soil that the arc could not could not be constructed. I did see some images from the "bomb proofing" experiments, nasty business trying to make a building impenitrable by 47mm rockets. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes they sank but in unhardened soil http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pre-hardening the construction area by pumping beton into the ground would had been enough. At least thats what the engineers believed.

Here is one of those pillars

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Berlin_belastungskoerper.jpg/800px-Berlin_belastungskoerper.jpg

pchandler13m
07-12-2007, 03:16 PM
Ah ok, now one thing I have wondered about the pillars is; was there any purpose to the rebarb if it is that, sticking out of the sides.