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JaggedRaven
12-14-2004, 10:01 AM
What's your favorite version of the B-17? Don't like the B-17? Then what's your favorite heavy bomber and version and WHY? Just curious...

WOLFMondo
12-14-2004, 10:50 AM
B17G. The chin turret does it for me.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fav heavy bomber? Either the Wellington (ok, its not heavy but..) or Halifax on looks. Lancaster on sheer capacity.

Asgeir_Strips
12-14-2004, 11:17 AM
B29 The best of them all.
Its got the payload capacity over 20.000lbs
it could outrange the "lanc". it had the speed, i think a B29 could fly faster than the wildcat!

Gotta love the B29

9th_Bloodfist
12-14-2004, 11:28 AM
Any version that would become flyable! The b-17 has sat in the AI corner way to long! We ned this one in the add-on badley!!!

SgtBriggs
12-14-2004, 11:31 AM
B17G its just kinda purty.

JaggedRaven
12-14-2004, 11:31 AM
Wolf...got a preference between the earlier model tail turrets or the cheyenne tail position? I've always wondered if the cheyenne gave a better field of fire...it sure gave better visibility.

NegativeGee
12-14-2004, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JaggedRaven:
Wolf...got a preference between the earlier model tail turrets or the cheyenne tail position? I've always wondered if the cheyenne gave a better field of fire...it sure gave better visibility. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure about its field of fire, but the Cheyenne turret had a tighter cone of fire than the earlier "tail stinger".

Oh, and favourite B-17 looks wise is the B-17F, possibly because the chin turret on the G spoils the graceful lines of the nose a bit.

JaggedRaven
12-14-2004, 11:43 AM
Oh and wolf...if the B-17 were to be implemented in the game...would you care if the radio operator's position had it's flexible .50 cal...or if it were closed off like in late war variants (The AI model currently does not. The G was interesting that it had a variety of different positions implemented troughout the late war. Depending on the logistics, squadron policy, ground crew, and even aircrew preference the armament could be modified and differ from bomber to bomber. Early G's were in fact F models that had the chin turret fitted in the field. I've even seen early models that threw out the cheek guns after the chin turret was implemented). If you had your choice...what's the version and armament you would most want to see?

Philipscdrw
12-14-2004, 11:47 AM
I <3 the YB-49... it's so beautifullll...

JaggedRaven
12-14-2004, 12:04 PM
Yeah I love the F models too...they seem more streamlined to me and the plexiglass flexible positions that were fitted always interested me. They were fitted in the field as far as I know...so they varied a lot from bomber to bomber and in structure (some looked to me like they were jury-rigged using some welded steel pipe and some fabric).

hobnail
12-14-2004, 03:43 PM
The YB-40 Escort Gunship always captured my imagination.

http://users.on.net/apoulos/YB40.jpg

WOLFMondo
12-14-2004, 04:07 PM
JaggedRaven, any B17 in this sim would make me happyhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Want flyable Tempest first thoughhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lkemling
12-14-2004, 06:21 PM
Well,call me old fashioned but ever since i was a kid reading and looking at the pictures in my junior high school library...(I'm 60 now)and must agree most with the B17F as one of most beautiful. BUT! my heart still goes back to the prototype Boeing Model 299 with the afternoon sun reflecting off its Polished bare aluminum skin as the creme de la creme of the B17 Series.
For those interested Peter M Bowers FORTRESS IN THE SKY is a outstanding book with incredible pictures and details on the development of the this Queen of Battle.

walsh2509
12-14-2004, 07:15 PM
http://www.planestuff.com/aircraft.html

model 299 on this site..

ps sample gun cam from same site..

http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/planestuff/guncam1.mov

small view ! but the last film is about the clearest

han freak solo
12-14-2004, 08:34 PM
That YB-40 is just Bad ***!! Any other pics?

Favorite bomber for me is the B-24, just because my grandpa flew the cargo version (C-87) in China-Burma-India during the war.

stansdds
12-15-2004, 04:00 AM
The B-17F had the nice, clean lines that I like, but the G model was the ultimate B-17 and my favorite. The G addressed the issue of forward protection against fighters with the chin turret, although I wonder about the accuracy of the aiming mechanism. The YB-40 was interesting and the most heavily armed of the B-17 family, but it proved to heavy and slow to be of any real value in combat.

The B-29 was certainly the ultimate design for Allied piston engined bombers. Bigger, faster, longer ranged and operating at high altitude in comfort thanks to a pressurization system, capabable of carrying more payload and well armed with defensive weapons.

XyZspineZyX
12-15-2004, 04:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Hello,

The B-17F because it had armement and still kept a "sleek" airframe.

Sensei

AWL_Spinner
12-15-2004, 04:43 AM
B17G (from that line of a/c).

Favourite is the Lancaster for me though, being a Brit. Just looks like it means a whole lot of business and the bomb capacity was immense in it's day.

Plus the Dam Busters raid and the GrandSlam really grab the imagination.

....And I've seen one a couple of times and the noise from four Merlins is just beautiful.

Favourite medium bomber would be the Mossie.

Cheers, Spinner

WildeSau
12-15-2004, 04:52 AM
the one with the smallest number of guns so that I can bring it down more easily http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

WildeSau

sapre
12-15-2004, 05:02 AM
Renzan and Fugaku http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

MacLyver
12-15-2004, 05:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hobnail:
The YB-40 Escort Gunship always captured my imagination.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woulnd't those fall behind the rest of the group once the group have dropped their bombs?

Back on topic: B17G

Edit: D'OH!

ploughman
12-15-2004, 05:36 AM
Remember the bit in "Kelly's Heroes" when the captain says to Joe (Telly Savalas), whilst looting a Yacht from France, "do you think I'd get this in the hold of a B-17?"

Well, he did.

http://www.aerofiles.com/boe-sb17h.jpg

This S & R version is my favourite B-17 because all it wanted to do was be nice to people and to help them by dropping boats on them.

Rebel_Yell_21
12-15-2004, 10:48 AM
The B-17G is the most gorgeous multi-engine warbird to ever fly. Bar none.

hobnail
12-15-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MacLyver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hobnail:
The YB-40 Escort Gunship always captured my imagination.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woulnd't those fall behind the rest of the group once the group have dropped their bombs?

Back on topic: B17G

Edit: D'OH! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, I said it captured my imagination not that it won the war single-handed (the Wirraway did that..).

And yes, only a handful saw active service (1 lost in action) and were not adopted after their trial ended, being too slow once "bombs gone". The chin turret fitted to the G first saw combat on the YB-40 so some of the work on the gunship concept made its way to wider use I 'spose.

JaggedRaven
12-15-2004, 08:48 PM
I've seen footage of the YB-40...does look like a mean mother...but if it's armament was better than the "F" why didn't they just begin producing the YB-40 as the next model of the B-17 and have them all use the same armament and bombloads so they could stay together after the bomb run? Could the YB-40 not carry bombs? I'd imagine it was way slow with all that ammunition and extra guns...but couldn't it have taken off with a decent bombload?

JaggedRaven
12-15-2004, 08:55 PM
On a different note...I love the streamlined waist gun blisters on the model 229...I've seen similar ones on the privateer with two .50 cals...I wonder why they didn't implement these on the production B-17? Save weight perhaps? Did anyone ever see pictures of the converted B-17 that had B-24 tail turrets installed in it's nose and tail? Looked awful...but I'd bet they worked better than what the "f" model had at the time.