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Hydra454
07-09-2007, 01:19 PM
Can anyone give me some combat tips for flying the MC205 online.I've been flying it on and off over the past couple months and want to really get into flying more often as I don't see it too often online (that,and it looks so dang bad a** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif).

What I'm interested though is what is its max dive speed and turn time.It seems to fly very much like a Spit (a Mk V to be honest).Any info would be much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hydra454
07-09-2007, 01:19 PM
Can anyone give me some combat tips for flying the MC205 online.I've been flying it on and off over the past couple months and want to really get into flying more often as I don't see it too often online (that,and it looks so dang bad a** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif).

What I'm interested though is what is its max dive speed and turn time.It seems to fly very much like a Spit (a Mk V to be honest).Any info would be much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ytareh
07-09-2007, 01:37 PM
Well youve hinted at this planes (and even more bizarrely its far older siblings eg Mc200)secret ability.It can dive at freakishly fast speeds Id guess if not over 900kmh well very near it.It also has a nice armament with two Mg151/20s (from the german planes)and 2 of the 'tricky'(if you dont have convergence right!)Breda SAFAT(?) 0.50 Mgs (above engine).
Its a nice enough plane but I find it doesnt particularly impress at anything apart from diving.
Strangely I recently discovered in practe and according to IL2 Compare (free utility that shows all data about two different planes side by side in graph form -If ya dont like graphs theres the simpler but prettier Hardballs Aircraft Viewer)that the Mc200 is more likely to kill an averagely flown online Spit in a fight below 1/2k than the MC202.You know what I wouldnt be surprised if the same could be said about the Mc205....If I was flying this plane Id be sitting at at least 5k alt!

Hydra454
07-09-2007, 01:51 PM
It is indeed pretty good fighter.I'm often amazed at what I can chase down when I have to (i.e. Stangs and Spits).I'm not sure if its the plane or more the case that many people have no idea what it is capable of so they underestimate it.I'd put my money on the latter.

Bula
07-09-2007, 09:11 PM
Whatever you do, don't lose E. Many Allied a/c can out-turn you and those that can't can usually match or better your speed (going by Hardball's Aircraft Viewer for info here). With the cannon-armed Series III, your best bet is to hope for a good slashing attack. Zoom climb seems only so-so to me, so make sure you have your escape route planned well if you're taking on a Spit. Too many times I thought I'd zoomed clear of my intended target only to hear 20mm Hispano shells ripping into me.

Another issue is engine management: if the engine overheats, you're usually toast - it often will seize up at some point. I set the prop pitch at 85% and fly with rads open. I found that flying at even 87% with rads open caused overheats after a while, whereas 85% seems OK.

If I'm maintaining E and at a similar or advantageous alt, I feel pretty comfortable engaging P51s, P38s, and P47s. Attacking anything else while not in a clearly advantageous position is dicey for me. The 205's stall characteristics are such that you can't tighten a turn but so much. You'll find P39s and P40s whipping around you so fast that your head spins - and your a/c just doesn't have the accelerative power in a dive to outrun their .50s. Thanks to the Macchi's glass-jaw-of-an-engine, you can usually expect to see thick, black smoke if their guns connect. Flying against Spits is dangerous without a well-planned escape route and a Spit pilot who is unaware of your presence. I've shot down several Spits in both 202s and 205s, but only on a few occasions did the Spit drivers know I was there.

When they're available and blue needs pilots, I fly Italian planes pretty much exclusively (except in that rare Winds of War server mission where both a Macchi and an IAR are offered - then I usually go for the IAR). Excepting the Series III 205 with its 20mm cannon, you're forced to rely on the destructive power of really poor MGs. This forces you to aim carefully, but you learn and you feel like you've really accomplished something when you bring down an enemy a/c (particularly a Spit or a bomber).

Check out Historia and Winds of War servers for missions with Italian a/c in them. Both are great servers that host some of the most mature and helpful virtual pilots out there. A few of the missions are even free of German a/c (e.g., the EA41 Mission on Historia, which is one of my favorites). It's a blast to dogfight in a G50 against a Hurri Mk.IIa (or vice-versa).

Hydra454
07-10-2007, 01:53 AM
Very good info Bula http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Is it me,of does the 205 seem easier to maintain E than the 202?

Could someone post a link for Hardball's aircraft viewer so I can see what the performance differences are between all the Macchi's are.

EURO_Snoopy
07-10-2007, 03:14 AM
Nice write up bula, I've added it to the M4T Kbase (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=427) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG52Karaya-X
07-10-2007, 04:08 AM
Of course the 205 retains energy much better than the 202, its got a much more powerful engine after all!

The MC.202 uses the venerable DB601A (1100PS) found on the Bf109E whereas the MC.205 uses the more potent DB605A (1350PS @ 1,3ata, 1475PS @ 1,42ata) found on the Bf109 early G series (G2/G6).

I kind of wonder why the Italians did not license the 601N (1200PS) or 601E (1250PS@1,3ata, 1350PS@1,42ata) engines once they became available and upgrade their MC202s. That would have resulted in a significant performance boost for them, especially in the speed and climb department where the vanilla 202 does not impress.

hejbrigade
07-10-2007, 04:38 AM
MC's are realy rare planes to see on Hyperlobby, some pilots hate them to fly because they get in stal to easy when turning with alied planes. They rather chose BF109 or FiatG50. Shame on server Admins, not to ofer planes like this MC series.

JG52Karaya-X
07-10-2007, 05:02 AM
Well IMHO the Macchis fly very well now after they have been looked after the last couple of patches, problem with most or all of them (except for the 205 SeriesIII) is that they are hopelessly underarmed, at least ingame. The Breda SAFAT MGs simply dont have any hitting/stopping power thats worth mentioning, in fact I do get much better results even with the Bf109F2 and its single 15mm MG151/15 cannon.

The Italian steads were a joy to fly when the Bredas still had a similar power to the Browning .50s - now they are just dead weight...

tigertalon
07-10-2007, 07:21 AM
Mc205 has one of the best dive limits, nothing apart from P47 and jets can dive with it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/aegeeaddict/205_break.jpg

Use this advantage, particularly versus spits, because against this plane it's the only major advantage Mc205 has.

205 is structurally tough and will take a lot of punishment before disingegrating. However, at a slightest damage plane handling and performance will usually degrade so much that RTB should be first thing on your mind. Its very vulnerable engine requires a very carefull approach to attacking bombers, as a single bullet can not only take out your engine, but also set it on fire.

Next, 205 has a rocket climb (for a 43 plane). Force vertical fighting whenever going versus earlier opponents, you can usually outclimb, outdive, outzoom them easily, e-fighting works nicely versus planes like P-39, P-40, early spits, you can also outperform them at altitude so try to draw them high. They in general can outfight you in a close turning fight, so avoid it.

205 retains controlability (roll and pitch) nicely across the board, it's better than 109 in this regard.

When going versus later american fighters (P47 P38, even P51) try to force them into turning, you can outclimb P47 and P51 relatively easy and follow a P38 in a climb).

Mc205 turns pretty well, it's lacking rudder trim so you must be carefull in tight turns and keep the ball centered with a rudder. 205 turns quite easily with most of late war opposition (save russian birds and spitfire). If russians are likely to be met, climb above 4 or 5k and toy with them. The only russian plane to fear up there is a Yak9U, which you can leave in the dust in a dive. (I don't think however that Mc205 was used on eastern front)

The 205 has the best fuel gauge in the sim (IMO) - the slider on the starboard side of cockpit, gives you ability to judge remaining flight time very precisely, use this to your advantage.

Veltro also has digital ammocounters for both cannons and MGs, with red warning lights going on when your cannon ammo drops below 100 rpg or so. Ammoload for cannons is a generous 250 rounds per gun!

In the dark or night, you can use night gunsight (ctrl-D).

To sum up:

Advantages versus earlier opponents (P39, P40, SpitV, Yak1, Lagg): dive limit, climb, zoomclimb, altitude performance

Advantages versus 1943 and later western opponents (save the late spits): turn, dive limit (matched only by P47), climb (matched only by P38L late)

Advantages versus late russian planes: dive limit (by a large margin), altitude performance (by a large margin vs everything apart from Yak9U).

Fighting SpitIX/VIII: dive limit and dive limit only
(SpitIX/VIII) is the worst possible opponent for the Mc205. Performance of the two (climb, speed) is matched nicely across the board, but turn and E-retention favor spit at every slightest maneouver - if you loose initial surprise or alt advantage, or if you don't have wingman with you, dive and ruuuuun like there is no tomorrow, for if you stay there most likely won't be one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/aegeeaddict/205vsVIII.jpg

Ernst_Rohr
07-10-2007, 07:24 AM
I really like the 205, and it often comes as a big surprise to folks flying Red, particularly 51 and 47 drivers. I find that the 205 does very well against the 51. Against the 47, the 205 has a much harder time.

The cannon armed variant does make a decent B&Z fighter, the dive speed is excellent in the 205, and I have found that I can dive away from P-38's and P-51's handily in it. Diving away from a P-47 however is a good way to get shot down! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am used to flying Japanese planes, so the Breda's dont bother me as much, that being said, it takes some good shooting to bring down the tougher Allied birds. 47's and Tempests simply soak up the Breda's. Spits and Mustangs are much more vunerable.

The single biggest disadvantage to the 205 is horrible visibility. Rear visibility on all the Italian fighters is mediocre to poor, and the the small mirror in the 205 simply isnt sufficent to make up for the huge blind spot to the rear. I find I get killed far more often by missing someone diving on me and pulling up to low 6, where the 205 has zero chance of picking up the attack.

Daiichidoku
07-10-2007, 09:16 AM
all Macchi Tacticool(TM) is hand-made by Italian artisans

dont even to wear shades

Hydra454
07-10-2007, 01:17 PM
Holy moly,Talon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Awesome tips.And charts to boost.

Thanks Snoopy for the link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif