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Galaboo
03-30-2007, 02:06 AM
Hey all,

I was bored the other day so I decided to look up the Ta 183 and find out about its history and all that, and I came across this:

"Early studies also included an optional 1000 kgf (10 kN) thrust rocket engine for takeoff and combat boost, fuel for up to 200 seconds of burn time stored in drop tanks under the wings."

That is located in wikipedia under "Ta 183".

Could this be added later in patches? I think it should be, considering this plane was thought out in 1942 and is an amazing plane, the best I reckon in all of IL2.

The boost would be a very good idea, I've noticed the Ta 183 is an inertia hogging monster and a boost would create a much needed counter to its slow build up of speed.

Galaboo
03-30-2007, 02:06 AM
Hey all,

I was bored the other day so I decided to look up the Ta 183 and find out about its history and all that, and I came across this:

"Early studies also included an optional 1000 kgf (10 kN) thrust rocket engine for takeoff and combat boost, fuel for up to 200 seconds of burn time stored in drop tanks under the wings."

That is located in wikipedia under "Ta 183".

Could this be added later in patches? I think it should be, considering this plane was thought out in 1942 and is an amazing plane, the best I reckon in all of IL2.

The boost would be a very good idea, I've noticed the Ta 183 is an inertia hogging monster and a boost would create a much needed counter to its slow build up of speed.

IIJG69Kartofe
03-30-2007, 06:41 AM
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M_Gunz
03-30-2007, 11:15 AM
How fast with the drop tanks in place and rocket assist not firing?

You know that Russia did experiment with rocket boost from many Russian fighters with success?
Only problem was not with extra fuel they quickly ran dry so not used in operations.

EDIT: also please check that may be ramjet in some, same problem of too much range limited.
Think of trying to use Me-163 to defend a huge area.....

Galaboo
03-30-2007, 05:18 PM
It would be like the Me 163? Nah,

I've got some points that might get rid of that thought.

nearly 90% off servers that host IL2 have the difficulty settings to its maximum (excluding the cockpit view) which means, Flutter effect, Torque & Gyro effects, Engine overheat, Head Shake.

Now you know trying to take off in the Ta 183 is annoying as hell, when you have just gotten a good speed at which to pull up and your engine overheats and then there is a long process of reducing and putting your throttle forward for a very sluggish plane to gain some altitude, takes ages and thats only one of the many variables if you want to get high in the air to fight others, there is also the chance that lerche's or other fast planes are in the air maintaing their 700kph ready to dive on the slow Ta 183 as its airborne, not very fair I reckon.

Boost is needed for this plane, also what if the boosters would drop off (after using 200 seconds of the rocket fuel) and deploy parachutes after they depleted their fuel like the boosters on the Arado 234 do?

Remember its 1946 in this expansion, this feature would not be too far fetched at all. Talking theoretically here, if a plane like this with "Ease of Production" as an advantage was to be mass produced and one disadvantage was its sluggish slow build up of speed you would not interfere with production you would add boosters :-D

VW-IceFire
03-31-2007, 05:23 PM
For Ta-183 takeoff, just ignore the overheat message. It'll be a long while before the engine really does something nasty at overheat so just keep it firewalled till you're at about 250kph, bring up the flaps, and let the plane accelerate on the level before you point the nose skyward. If you do this it will hold about 300kph IAS in a sustained climb up to...well I ended up at 8000m in position to intercept some bombers doing that anyways.

Boosters would be nice mind you...the Ar-234 is a blast with those!

avimimus
03-31-2007, 07:45 PM
And dump the bloody X-4!

Galaboo
04-01-2007, 02:34 AM
Yeah, those X4 missiles suck, I'm all for a booster for the plane.

Also VW-IceFire, I like that idea, I actually usually do that, though in terms of multiplayer and vulchers and stuff... they are everywhere, makes it hard to try and dodge a plane already circling you to noob you dead.

I'll take a set of boosters thanks Oleg... get cracking :-D

NSAdonis85
04-01-2007, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Galaboo:
Yeah, those X4 missiles suck, I'm all for a booster for the plane.

Also VW-IceFire, I like that idea, I actually usually do that, though in terms of multiplayer and vulchers and stuff... they are everywhere, makes it hard to try and dodge a plane already circling you to noob you dead.

I'll take a set of boosters thanks Oleg... get cracking :-D </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, they don't suck, only ppl who dunno how to use'em http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
04-01-2007, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Galaboo:
Yeah, those X4 missiles suck, I'm all for a booster for the plane.

Also VW-IceFire, I like that idea, I actually usually do that, though in terms of multiplayer and vulchers and stuff... they are everywhere, makes it hard to try and dodge a plane already circling you to noob you dead.

I'll take a set of boosters thanks Oleg... get cracking :-D </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The x4 missile is actually a "wire guided missile" controlled from the cockpit. This isn't modeled though in 1946.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

berg417448
04-01-2007, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Galaboo:
Yeah, those X4 missiles suck, I'm all for a booster for the plane.

Also VW-IceFire, I like that idea, I actually usually do that, though in terms of multiplayer and vulchers and stuff... they are everywhere, makes it hard to try and dodge a plane already circling you to noob you dead.

I'll take a set of boosters thanks Oleg... get cracking :-D </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The x4 missile is actually a "wire guided missile" controlled from the cockpit. This isn't modeled though in 1946.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't quite understand what you mean. You aren't saying that the X-4 can't be controlled are you? I use my arrow keys to do it.
Perhaps you meant something else.

AKA_TAGERT
04-01-2007, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
The x4 missile is actually a "wire guided missile" controlled from the cockpit. This isn't modeled though in 1946.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://mondotees.com/ProductImages/Whatchoo.jpg
The readme tells you how to control them from the cockpit.. and it works very well.

stalkervision
04-01-2007, 06:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
The x4 missile is actually a "wire guided missile" controlled from the cockpit. This isn't modeled though in 1946.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://mondotees.com/ProductImages/Whatchoo.jpg
The readme tells you how to control them from the cockpit.. and it works very well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WOW I had thought people were complaining about it not being guided. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Hay buddy You have just made my day! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Go get yourself a beer from the fridge.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Viper2005_
04-01-2007, 06:26 PM
IRL the X-4 used an acoustic proximity fuse tuned to the engine note of the B-17. It used the doppler effect to control detonation.

As such if the X-4 was used against other targets it would either fail to detonate, or detonate at an incorrect range.

I did the sums on this a while ago in another thread...

I think that the game is rather optimistic about the X-4's performance in range & manoeuvrability as well...

stalkervision
04-01-2007, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
IRL the X-4 used an acoustic proximity fuse tuned to the engine note of the B-17. It used the doppler effect to control detonation.

As such if the X-4 was used against other targets it would either fail to detonate, or detonate at an incorrect range.

I did the sums on this a while ago in another thread...

I think that the game is rather optimistic about the X-4's performance in range & manoeuvrability as well... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya but I just tried it out and it is totally cool to fly them this way! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
04-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Just a little tidbit...I doodled around for a little while in the FMB while The Green Hearts: Kurland was being tested and I've got a 6 mission Ta-183 campaign for some of you folks to enjoy. Most of the missions feature the X-4 extensively http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just thought I'd toss the heads up...will try and tidy it up and send it out in a few days.

stalkervision
04-01-2007, 08:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Just a little tidbit...I doodled around for a little while in the FMB while The Green Hearts: Kurland was being tested and I've got a 6 mission Ta-183 campaign for some of you folks to enjoy. Most of the missions feature the X-4 extensively http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just thought I'd toss the heads up...will try and tidy it up and send it out in a few days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sounds totally great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Galaboo
04-01-2007, 10:12 PM
I don't like the X4 cause its too easy to use
:-P

Anyway back onto the Ta 183, boosters please! also refer to my 1st and my 2nd post here on this thread :-D

VW-IceFire
04-02-2007, 04:33 PM
Too easy eh? Can you take out two B-29s at a time? Thats when its too easy...I've done it a couple of times now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jaws2002
04-02-2007, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Galaboo:
I don't like the X4 cause its too easy to use
:-P

Anyway back onto the Ta 183, boosters please! also refer to my 1st and my 2nd post here on this thread :-D </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't need no stinking boosters. Once that thing gets to speed it's a monster.
And when I say speed I mean SPEED not 600km/h. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Jaws2002
04-02-2007, 05:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Galaboo:
there is also the chance that lerche's or other fast planes are in the air maintaing their 700kph ready to dive on the slow Ta 183 as its airborne, not very fair I reckon.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you need to work on your flying a bit if you think Lerch is a fast plane.

OMK_Hand
04-02-2007, 07:38 PM
Out of interest, and in the absence of any other documentation regarding rpm that I can find,
Shockwave make a Ta 183 for FS 4/X.
The recommended settings for their model are:
Take off: No flaps, rotate at 193 km/h IAS
Normal climb: 10,000 rpm 400 km/h IAS
Cruise: 10,000 rpm
Economy cruise: 8,000 rpm

Full throttle in their model results in 12,000 rpm at S.L.
10,000 is 83.3% 0f 12,000 (I think!)
8,000 is 66% of 12,000

Full throttle in our Ta results in 9,000 rpm at S.L.
So, comparable settings would be;
Normal climb and cruise: 8,000 rpm 84% (rounded up)
Economy cruise: 7,000 rpm 66%

Just out of interest...

Galaboo
04-03-2007, 05:52 PM
"I think you need to work on your flying a bit if you think Lerch is a fast plane"

I did exactly what you said and got better at flying and now I can see that the Lerche is not a fast plane, thank you for your advice!