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EnGaurde
02-19-2005, 08:31 PM
ive found the 21 series of Zeros is actually the best performer, via online fighting results.

it just seems to turn better, fly better, roll better etc.

a smidgin slower than its a6m5 brother, but starkly superior in close combat.

thoughts?

p1ngu666
02-19-2005, 08:48 PM
5a, and 5b are nice too
every lw flier likes the 3, but i dont...

5c, 62,63 are tobe avoided, too heavy

21 u can chuck around, like ud think a zero would be.. 3 and 5 series stall too often imo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

VF-29_Sandman
02-19-2005, 09:15 PM
it is much slower...28-31 kmh depending on alt, lower in horsepower than the a6m5. but those 'inferior' differences is made up for superior turn rate, ptw, and range in comparing the 2.

but either zeke is seriously outgunned by any of the us fighters. even the 'mediocre' brewster (f2a-2 model) will outrun the m2 by almost 40 kmh in the straight-aways, and will easily outdive it.
this crate could even outturn an la-7 and the i-16's.

what this crate's main enemy would be the early oscar's. they outclass the m2 in almost all areas with the exception of armament.

the main thing about the zero is this...it is not a z/b fighter. it's most potent weapon is its turn and climb rate. keeping it at corner speed and having ur head on a swivel, this can be an online-er's worst nitemare. he who turns with the zero sleeps with the fishes.

VF-29_Sandman
02-19-2005, 09:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
5a, and 5b are nice too
every lw flier likes the 3, but i dont...

5c, 62,63 are tobe avoided, too heavy

21 u can chuck around, like ud think a zero would be.. 3 and 5 series stall too often imo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the m5's were to be able to fly at higher alts, and with a thicker wing, dive performance was alot better over the m2-21. the m3's turn rate was seriously mediocre in comparison to the a6m2. japanese pilots that was testing out the later fighters denounced the m3 because they felt that the armor plating weighed them down too much to be an effective turn fighter. they prefered the up close and personel knife fights, and the a6m2 was especially suited for this purpose.

VW-IceFire
02-19-2005, 10:02 PM
A6M5b is the fastest and best accelerating. But I prefer the A6M5a...that seems best.

3.JG51_BigBear
02-19-2005, 10:13 PM
I think for its time the A6M3 is the pick of the litter. It shows a shift toward a more modern style fighter with more emphasis on speed and roll, along with a greater ammo load than previous models, and armour. Its just not well suited carrier operations being heavier and burning more fuel than other models.

Badsight.
02-19-2005, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
5a, and 5b are nice too
every lw flier likes the 3, but i dont... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
pretty bold statement there P1

some might some definantly dont

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2005, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
I think for its time the A6M3 is the pick of the litter. It shows a shift toward a more modern style fighter with more emphasis on speed and roll, along with a greater ammo load than previous models, and armour. Its just not well suited carrier operations being heavier and burning more fuel than other models. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the A6M3 Model-32 had no armour.

good point vs Model-21 is its faster speed, better maxdive (700km/h IAS instead only 650) and sure better ammoload for 20mm canons (100rpg instead of only 60)

weakest point of it was the reduced range in rela ! so it the cant fly from Rabaul to Guadalcanal ! thr japanese had still to fly the Model21.
there fore the A6M3 Model-22 was developed - in genereal a Model-32 with the wings of a Model-21 - it became the Zero with the longest range at all ! - and its the only Zero version that is missing in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sure the Model-21 , ore the Model-11 (the "pure" A6M2 ) are the nimblest one !
but my favorite is the A6M5b - still ninmlbe enough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , some front protection (aroured windshield) for attacking planes with reargunners , enough punch in weapons to shoot downm well protectet US planes (even still the left light MG is missiing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) .

but sure, its a mid 1944 plane ..................

Atomic_Marten
02-21-2005, 06:35 AM
Zeros (all versions except early in the war) are just heavily outclassed by American fighters IMHO. And if someone know how to fly F4U you can just sit and cry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But thing is that there are more people that do not use max. speed when engaging Zeros, and they got punch for that. Maybe too often, online.

Personally I have shot down all kind of airplanes even Yak3Ps in A6M7s. All my tactic is simple: I go little above him and when he sees me instead of building speed he got in shallow climb and that is where combat ends http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif -- I engage with max. speed and he does not. not to mention insane TnB advantage that Zero posses.

But once I met smart player who do not turn on me immediatelly and instead he start to climb and build alt and speed that is when things are about to become very bad for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. That I cannot simply follow and it is just a moment when he will position himself for ideal BnZ pass and end of story for me.

I have found Zero to be at it's best when you rush onto low alt combat with many fighters engaged on both sides. In that situations Zero can give best IMO (situations of opportunity) because low energy enemy fighter cannot run from you and cannot outturn you either. And also worth to mention heavy armament on A6M7s -- short burst will make quick work on almost every enemy figher.

p1ngu666
02-21-2005, 07:35 AM
i found the last varients too heavy, despite the extra guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

5b is first zero with any armour http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

5b would be the best of the bunch, if it had its 7.7mm gun... think 5a is best atm

120 or 125 cannon rounds, and a faster dive speed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Yimmy
02-21-2005, 09:12 AM
A6M3 IMO.

It has 5 less cannon round per-gun only than the M5, while having loads of ammo for the 7.7mm's, and gains its superior performance over the M2 by simply having clipped wings, it doesnt have any heavy armour or strengthening or any of that rubbish.

Atomic_Marten
02-21-2005, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i found the last varients too heavy, despite the extra guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

5b is first zero with any armour http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

5b would be the best of the bunch, if it had its 7.7mm gun... think 5a is best atm

120 or 125 cannon rounds, and a faster dive speed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

About armor totally agreed. There is little point building armor for A6Ms since they are overall ultra-light class of WW2 fighters. The armor just choke that airplane.

Argument for that statement is also the fact that when later Zekes (M5 M7s) get shot, it may be as well as few little bullets in wings, and no more efficient TnB (that also includes early Zekes too). Just stall and stall. So there really is no point for any kind of armor there other than for pilot.

EnGaurde
02-21-2005, 04:01 PM
atomic,

although the odds are certainly against the zero pilot, i dont consider its all over as far as survivability is concerned fighting a Yankee plane.

climbing, zooming down at high speed to hose the sky around the zero hoping for a saturation hit and then rocketing back up to 80,000+ ft is all well and good, but if you fly your zero like it should be flown, always climbing and stay directly under the attacker, keeping your eyes glued to what hes doing, then you stand a **** good chance. Id take a risk and say even, actually.

all that has to happen is for Captain America to fack up his dive recovery and spin / stall / lose sight of you / lose speed and stooge around at your level, then you have him if you can even half shoot straight.

you know yourself the quality of online pilots is generally poor, very few fly to their aircrafts strength, and often its a prize kill to sit behind and hose those 7.7s into your target, taking your sweet time ending everything knowing he simply cannot get away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

alas, the zero has a very widely known glass chin, but generally if you get hit at all then your plan has failed. I think it quickly makes you a better flyer as you cant rely on your plane to take up the slack of a bad plan or reckless attitude.

if you get surprised very low and survive the first attack, go lower, sit on the water. Ive seen overzealous wildcat drivers splash down pulling out too late...

at higher altitudes, split s constantly, then use the intertia and climb, but never top out on the stall. Roll over and keep at least some kmh up. MOst important, always track your target, and chip away at that distance advatage until its gone.

Daiichidoku
02-21-2005, 04:55 PM
no doubt, the best overall zero has to be the M3

ALL zeros dont have enuff armor or fuel tank protection, if at all, and any speed or dive speed increase of the later zeros is moot, as everything else is STILL faster than them

the M3 turns almost as well as the M2, but more than makes up for it with far better roll, and slightly better dive (than the M2)

the M3 is effective all he way up over 9000m even... ive had a lota fun frustrating D9, K4 and P 51 pilots at alt wth this 1942 gem

p1ngu666
02-21-2005, 05:26 PM
aye u good in your m3... i just prefer the 5 series personaly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Feathered_IV
02-22-2005, 05:27 AM
I've been wondering for a while; why is there no A6M3 Model 22 - The one with the long Model 21 style wings? As a kind of up-engined, up-gunned Model 21 surely this would be a must have for the IJN stable. Seems like it'd be the best of both worlds. If we had this one, that'd get my vote.

A6M3 Model 22 - Ask for it by name!

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JG53Frankyboy
02-22-2005, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
I've been wondering for a while; why is there no A6M3 Model 22 - The one with the long Model 21 style wings? As a kind of up-engined, up-gunned Model 21 surely this would be a must have for the IJN stable. Seems like it'd be the best of both worlds. If we had this one, that'd get my vote.

A6M3 Model 22 - Ask for it by name!

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well, with
Model11
Model21
Model32
Model52
Model52Ko
Model52Otsu
Model52Hei
Model62
Model63

the Model22 is realy the only Reisen missing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
only a little bis slower as the Model32, same turnperformance like Model21 , range as 21 (who needs it in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) BUT most propably again alnly 650km/h IAS max dive speed ! (medel32 700).

and there could be two ogthem
Model22 with short barrel canons
Model22Ko with long barrel canons
both with 100rpg !

they had ruddertrimm (the Model32 not).
also they were used also from carriers, so it would need a tailhook http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
in general it would be a 1943 plane, frome january 43 on !

JG53Frankyboy
02-22-2005, 07:18 AM
i wrote an email, just to consider http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"hello to moskau !

i hope the whole team is ok and you are enjoing your new business rooms http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

here is a point just to consider, if you want.
PF is the first game that is represnting the Zero familie like it is ! i like that a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
with already in game
Model11,21,32,52,52KO,52OTSU,52HEI,62,63,-N

"only" the Model22 would be missing (as combat ready variants).
wouldnt it be nice if this "gap" would be filled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-take the fuselage and Cockpit of the A6M3 of the game (=Model32)
-use the wings of the Modell21
-give it same turn ability like Model21
-performance like the Model32 , just ~4km/h slower at all altitudes.
-max dive speed like Model21
-range like Model21 , had more fuel but its egnine needed more
-give it a Tailhook, was at least embarked on the ZUIKAKU
-give it Ruddertrimm
-make a 22 with short barrel 20mm canons ore a 22KO with long barrel 20mm canons - both had 100rpg

make it a 1942Late plane, combat units got it in december 42.

you could also do tow :
Model22 , short barrel canon, no ruddertrimm - late 1942
Model22KO , long barrel canon, ruddertrimm - 1943
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would realy be nice - IF you would have some time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


......................"

i doubt it will be possible, but we will see

p1ngu666
02-22-2005, 08:18 AM
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id like 500kg bomb, and rockets for 5b, aprently the first to have them....

JG53Frankyboy
02-22-2005, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
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id like 500kg bomb, and rockets for 5b, aprently the first to have them.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

only Francillon is mentioning a 500kg Bomb , and than forthe A6M7.

all others 250kg ! actually the Reisens was used as fighterrbombers at the first time in june44 , Battle of the Phillipine sea.
because the D3A had no chance to survive anymore , Ozawas units had some modified Model21 as Jabos embarked ! but they also had no chance.

Rocketbombs , sure with the A6M5c as first variant.

p1ngu666
02-22-2005, 11:20 AM
hmm different sources http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

500kg for the last two we have ingame
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Feathered_IV
02-23-2005, 12:51 AM
JG53Frankyboy, thanks for your effort. Fingers crossed eh?