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Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 01:06 AM
I started to discuss this in another thread and thought I would instead start a new one so that people who are concerned about the historical accuracy of the armor and weapons in AC could discuss it here and hopefully gain a better understanding of what they used in those days.


Ok so I'll start:

Some people have raised the question why the Crusaders are not wearing heavier armor then chainmail.
Chainmail was the best armor until the Maximilian Era. The introduction of plate armor was not until the 14th century and was not widely used until the mid 16th century.
Even then the most common armor used while not on a battlefield was either a padded cloth hauberk or a leather cuirass (jerkin) made of boiled leather. This is what they would be wearing in a city, except the city watchmen/guards. They would be wearing leather jerkins and a few, like captains or commanders would be wearing chain.
Remember the guards are there to deal with the peasant population, the soldiers deal with armies.

Leather was far cheaper and easier to make then chainmail and common peasant weapons were easily stopped by it as boiled leather was very resistant to piercing weapons like dirks, daggers, pitchforks and knives. Chain ironically was far less suitable for dealing with these types of weapons and better suited to larger weapons like broadswords and the like.

From what I have seen, the developers have done a amazing job of sticking to historical armor from this time period. Kudos.

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 01:06 AM
I started to discuss this in another thread and thought I would instead start a new one so that people who are concerned about the historical accuracy of the armor and weapons in AC could discuss it here and hopefully gain a better understanding of what they used in those days.


Ok so I'll start:

Some people have raised the question why the Crusaders are not wearing heavier armor then chainmail.
Chainmail was the best armor until the Maximilian Era. The introduction of plate armor was not until the 14th century and was not widely used until the mid 16th century.
Even then the most common armor used while not on a battlefield was either a padded cloth hauberk or a leather cuirass (jerkin) made of boiled leather. This is what they would be wearing in a city, except the city watchmen/guards. They would be wearing leather jerkins and a few, like captains or commanders would be wearing chain.
Remember the guards are there to deal with the peasant population, the soldiers deal with armies.

Leather was far cheaper and easier to make then chainmail and common peasant weapons were easily stopped by it as boiled leather was very resistant to piercing weapons like dirks, daggers, pitchforks and knives. Chain ironically was far less suitable for dealing with these types of weapons and better suited to larger weapons like broadswords and the like.

From what I have seen, the developers have done a amazing job of sticking to historical armor from this time period. Kudos.

eruion
10-19-2007, 01:38 AM
The Templars used dubble 4:1 and in some cases 6:1 .

There are other types of ringmail than the regular 4:1. As I said, 6:1 was used in Eastern Asia and other forms existed in Japan. There exists scale mail and it was used by the romans (Lorica squamata) and it was also wiedly used by Persia and Byzantium.

One thing that's a bit annoying is that they've done the chainmails wrong, at least in the close-up I've seen (I've been working with chainmail for about 10 years so I know what I'm talking about) and that's somting that's VERY common even in movies and even among chainmail crafters :/

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 01:49 AM
The Templars though did have access to vast amounts of iron compared to the majority of the other knight factions.

Very few orders could afford a 6:1 suit of chainmail in the 12th century. Iron was a very expensive commodity.

The only other order as wealthy as the Templars were the Teutonic Knights in Germany, iirc.


Well, imo they can only get it so close without having armorers come in to consult. Experience with chainmail crafting is not too common nowadays. I myself only recently got the rhythm down for doing the spooling and rivets in a quick fashion.

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 01:51 AM
Awsome! I am glad someone actually started this thread...

I am an associate of ARMA ( http://www.thehaca.com/ ) and various SCA orginizations. I also have been a student of various Martial arts (Western and Asian) for some time.

I am glad to see others on this board who can help me clear up the "Guards only attacked one at a time during the Crusades" posts... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

With Mind, Heart, and Body,
Alexander

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 01:58 AM
Excellent!

I myself am a practitioner of Togakure-ryu Ninjutsu and have been for a little over 26 years.

If I recall in another thread you mentioned you were in Koga-ryu?

As for crafting:
I am currently apprenticed (when I can visit him) to Wally Hayes in Canada ( http://www.hayesknives.com/ (http://www.hayesknives.com/menu.html) ) and have been working with chainmail in my spare time. I don't yet have the guts to even try anything plate yet hehe

I also majored in Medieval History in university and am an avid history buff.

DK_Albion
10-19-2007, 02:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Templars used dubble 4:1 and in some cases 6:1 .

There are other types of ringmail than the regular 4:1. As I said, 6:1 was used in Eastern Asia and other forms existed in Japan. There exists scale mail and it was used by the romans (Lorica squamata) and it was also wiedly used by Persia and Byzantium.

One thing that's a bit annoying is that they've done the chainmails wrong, at least in the close-up I've seen (I've been working with chainmail for about 10 years so I know what I'm talking about) and that's something that's VERY common even in movies and even among chain mail crafters :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I am also glad someone started this conversation. Just for people who don't know about chain mail. I myself crafted my own chain mail armor (Regular 4:1) and here is a close-up of it, you can see what we mean by 4:1.
http://www.origineelisanders.nl/scaled/chainmail.jpg

I never did any plate before, only chain mail (coif and cuirass, and working on leg protection for some time now).

I am member of group associated to EHCG (European Historical Combat Guild).

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 02:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mordraneth:
Excellent!

I myself am a practitioner of Togakure-ryu Ninjutsu and have been for a little over 26 years.

If I recall in another thread you mentioned you were in Koga-ryu?

As for crafting:
I am currently apprenticed (when I can visit him) to Wally Hayes in Canada ( http://www.hayesknives.com/ (http://www.hayesknives.com/menu.html) ) and have been working with chainmail in my spare time. I don't yet have the guts to even try anything plate yet hehe

I also majored in Medieval History in university and am an avid history buff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The main meat study,(meaning what I put most of my time into) Koga Ryu, but I have also studied Genbukan a bit, Shoto Tanemura, which is really just an off shoot of "Hatsumi's" Togakure...not much difference as far as I can tell (I have not officially studied any Bujinkan outside of the Hayes books that were all the rage in the 80's).

Excellent! I am a bit of a history buff myself (though no degrees) and also quite an avid student of "Western" martial arts (Particularly the Martinez school of sword work).

I look forward to your posts and sucking up some of your knowledge! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 02:10 AM
DK_Albion,

Tight work there! Looks great! I would love to see the whole hauberk sometime if I may?

Hassan-Sabbah,

Well you have a varied resume hehe. Nice to see another in the Ninpo tradition.
I will undoubtedly learn much from you too and look forward to it.

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 02:14 AM
Sorry for the double post...But...

First, @DK_Albion
Nice work! Do you work personal or do you do work for others?

@Mordraneth
I have heard good things about Hayes' work. I was a big fan of John Greco's, but sadly due to health he has stopped working. His "Whisper" is still one of the most comfortable practical fighting knives I have come across...

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 02:18 AM
Agreed.

Actually it was through Grecco's work that I found Wally. I was at a convention in NYC to view John's showcase, as well as Gil Hibben's line and met Wally there. I found out he lived right down the road from me at the time and the rest is history.
Unfortunately Wally Hayes moved to Essex, Ontario so I don't get to see him as often now.

His "Tactical" line is simply the best I have ever run across. In cut tests his Diato/Katana are simply amazing to behold. He has a great gift with metal.

Sorry to hear about John. I hope he gets better.

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 02:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mordraneth:
Agreed.

Actually it was through Grecco's work that I found Wally. I was at a convention in NYC to view John's showcase, as well as Gil Hibben's line and met Wally there. I found out he lived right down the road from me at the time and the rest is history.
Unfortunately Wally Hayes moved to Essex, Ontario so I don't get to see him as often now.

His "Tactical" line is simply the best I have ever run across. In cut tests his Diato/Katana are simply amazing to behold. He has a great gift with metal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will definetly look into some peices when I have the money to do so. This has turned rather expensive in the past few years (as I am sure you already know). God knows Cold Steel gets enough of my hard earned money!

Though, I am most often pleased with Cold Steel, I like to support independant crafters. I am pretty much an exclusive Greco user (the afore mentioned Whisper,and the MST being two of my favorite fixed blades...he makes a nice Bowie as well...I am quite happy with Cold Steel's Vaquaro Grande and Voyager as far as folders).

Most Swords I get are Spanish imports from a small company called "Andalusia" (where they are located). Strictly custom and mail order. As far as "Asian" goes, most of my money goes to Paul Chen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

But I will be looking into Hayes' work further.

If you do not mind me asking, you mention NYC where I am located...are you in the area?

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 02:38 AM
I used to be about 4 hrs from NYC. I lived in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada at the time but now I am more west. I am closer to Duluth, MN now.

I do however visit Shidoshi Van Donk on occasion in NYC at his dojo.


Yeh, Wally's stuff has gotten alot more expensive. I am unsure if that is due to supply and demand or as his quality goes up he charges more.
The price though imo is worth it. They are very combat worthy blades and hold up exceptionally well under rigorous use.

DK_Albion
10-19-2007, 02:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Tight work there! Looks great! I would love to see the whole hauberk sometime if I may? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Mordraneth, tonight I have swordfighting practice and I will try to take some photos from some of my stuff.

Talking about swordfighting, I would also like to show you these pictures. First my broken sword:

http://www.origineelisanders.nl/scaled/broken-sword.jpg

I got this one replaced with the same type, I fought with it for about 2,5 years. Before that only with wooden practice weapons. But since 3 years only steel.
The last year have been with my new weapon (1,5 hander like the one above) and this one:

http://www.origineelisanders.nl/scaled/weapon-entry.jpg

It's a one handed weapon from around the time of Assassins Creed. A little earlier to be precise. Both are made in Czech.

@Hassan-Sabbah
Thank you, I do my work personal and not for others. I would like to but I don't have the time to do so (and am not skilled enough, I only know how to make chainmail). I am lucky I have some friends who are becoming really skilled in the production and they help me often.
And yes, It is a rather expensive hobby. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and very addictive.

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 02:46 AM
@DK_Albion

Ouch! Looks like a parry gone horribly wrong! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 02:48 AM
@Mordraneth
Absolutely, I have no problem spending on well crafted items. Hell, I would propably just spend the money on food, or rent, or utility bills anyway... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I will PM you my Email address, the next time you are in the Big Apple I will guest you at either my DoJo or Sword Studio.

@DK_Albion
It is great going to live steel is it not!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
"tonight I have swordfighting practice"
If you do not mind me asking, who do you study with?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mordraneth:
@DK_Albion

Ouch! Looks like a parry gone horribly wrong! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or, difintely a bit low...I bet your hands were a-stinging on that one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 02:51 AM
@Hassan-Sabbah

Domo arigato gozaimasu!

I would be greatly honored to do so and will definately make a point to let you know.

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mordraneth:
@Hassan-Sabbah

Domo arigato gozaimasu!

I would be greatly honored to do so and will definately make a point to let you know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

onegaishimasu.

DK_Albion
10-19-2007, 03:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ouch! Looks like a parry gone horribly wrong! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif yep, gone totally wrong. I was lucky not to get injured that time. Me and my sparring partner were practicing you demonstration fight. It's real fast and quiet dangerous, and somewhere in the middle my sword broke and I was able to just barely jump out of the way from an approaching sword. Funny is it just snapt, I just think it was the right time to die for that piece of steel (It's just a steel item, but somehow you grow attached to it). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I am very grateful I always keep my distance, gives me some more time to react in these sort of situations.

@Hassan-Sabbah
Well I think you don't know the guys I train with. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'm from Holland. We study in a local group. We have a team of instructors devoted to interpreting a German style ("Kunst des Fechtens").
And live battle ready steel is the bomb. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 03:07 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DK_Albion:
("kunden des fechtens").
QUOTE]

Joachim Meyer?

DK_Albion
10-19-2007, 03:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">[QUOTE]Originally posted by DK_Albion:
("kunden des fechtens").
QUOTE]

Joachim Meyer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no, it's from an 14th century German master Johannes Liechtenauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenauer).

Hassan-Sabbah
10-19-2007, 03:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DK_Albion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">[QUOTE]Originally posted by DK_Albion:
("kunden des fechtens").
QUOTE]

Joachim Meyer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no, it's from an 14th century German master Johannes Liechtenauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenauer). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you. I will see if I can find out a bit more about it. Too many Mid-age German Fechtmeisters to keep track of... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

DK_Albion
10-19-2007, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">hank you. I will see if I can find out a bit more about it. Too many Mid-age German Fechtmeisters to keep track of... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, lots of German mid-age Fechtmeisters.

Some info in English:
Link A (http://westernswordsmanship.com/Liechtenauer.pdf)

And how is your "Deutsch"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
Link B (http://freywild.ch/liechtenauer/)

Iam8_Bit
10-19-2007, 11:20 AM
Too bad my Deutsch is non-existant! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

DK_Albion
10-20-2007, 02:28 AM
Heh heh heh... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Well my Deutsch isn't great either, just enough to understand. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif try throwing it in an online translator. Maybe it works.

Ok Armor and Weapons of the 12th and 13th century:

I took the time to take some photos of my equipement, where known I have included the century it's from in the title of the image. I've created a photobucket account for this one.
Albions Bucket (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/dk_albion)

For the people not known to 12tt nd 13th century armor / weapons:

Ok think about it, you are a crusader. You will be wearing linen underclothing (didn't picture that, I think you all understand what it is, didn't include the leg protection either... still working / saving for that part). Over your underclothing you will be wearing the Gambeson (see photo's), it's padded with horse hair (believe me, it's thick and heavy).
Over the gambeson you will be wearing the Chainmail cuirass, mine is a standard 4:1 pattern and weights around 15 kilo's. Over this you will throw your Tunic (mine is in family colors, and my family shield will be placed on it, still working on that one).
Then around your waist you have your sword (on my left), dagger (on my back) and my throwing axe (right side of my body). On my for-arms I will be wearing the leather guards, this enables me to use my arms in combat to push away sharp objects (believe me, you rather have a cut in you arm then a sword in you neck).
On my head I have the hood. This has to be padded also, but then my helmet doesn't fit, so I have just a linen hood. Over the hood you have the coif and over the coif the helmet.
My hands are "protected" with the gloves. Working on some nice gloves with chainmail as well.

At the end you will be 25 / 30 kilo's heavier then when you started. Also think about Jerusalem... think about the layers of clothing. Now? How strange was it that soldiers died of exhaustion and warmth in those days during combat.

Iam8_Bit
10-20-2007, 07:36 AM
Nice photos!

That gambeson is really well made. Is that authentic horse hair used for padding or polyester or cotton?
I've never had the pleasure of wearing an authentic one myself. The ones that I have used are modernized, unfortunately.

I know! I cannot fathom fighting for days in that much armor in that kind of heat.
Imagine when field and full plate were introduced. These guys must have felt like soup in a steam cooker. It shows how hardy these people really where. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

yehonatan.roth
10-20-2007, 07:46 AM
I Envy you all for beeing able to make these things.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

DK_Albion
10-20-2007, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nice photos!

That gambeson is really well made. Is that authentic horse hair used for padding or polyester or cotton?
I've never had the pleasure of wearing an authentic one myself. The ones that I have used are modernized, unfortunately. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you, the photos were made when it was getting dark. Had to hurry.

And yes, it's 100% authentic with horse hair and all. Costs some money, but it's a hobby I like to spend some on. All of my equipement (except the Tunic) is of authentic material and handcrafted by myself or real professionals.

@yehonatan.roth
hahaha. I also envy the real professionals, I do some work for fun, but the real difficult things I leave to the professionals. But I am working on an Norman teardrop shield (hospitaller type) my first try failed horribly. But I will do another try soon.

Iam8_Bit
10-20-2007, 11:07 AM
very nicely done! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

@yehonatan.roth

I feel the same way as DK.....the professionals are the ones I envy. I have been talking to a guy for a few months now that can craft a suit of field plate in about 3 weeks. hes been at it since he was 7 years old so has plenty of experience at it. His latest suit has pin hinges in the pauldrons and the groin/cod piece (for emergency release).....I however haven't even had the guts to try plate yet hehe

Iam8_Bit
10-20-2007, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dd22cowboys:
http://www.origineelisanders.nl/scaled/weapon-entry.jpg
Is that you in the picture? Whats with the "garb" your wearing? Eh frodo/jedi knight? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you have nothing to contribute to the thread and discussion besides trying to insult or pick a fight then please do it elsewhere.

Thanks

DK_Albion
10-20-2007, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by dd22cowboys:

Is that you in the picture? Whats with the "garb" your wearing? Eh frodo/jedi knight?


If you have nothing to contribute to the thread and discussion besides trying to insult or pick a fight then please do it elsewhere.

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, well I will not take it as an insult, but act like the 23 year old that I am and give him a proper answer.

At that point I am wearing linen under clothing, gambeson, chainmail, hood, coif, helmet, sword, dagger, throwing axe, shoes, Tunic and a knights cloak. Which is designed to be big enough to cover the rear end of your horse (not that I have one, but it could if I would have an horse).
The complete outfit has a total weight of 30 kilo's, try fighting in that.
I can... can you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stiler
10-20-2007, 01:33 PM
How long is that Hauberk?

I know that there were ones that had longer sleeves as well as went down a bit below the waist, with a slit in order to allow it to break for your horse riding and such.

That one you have looks more like a little hauberk (with smaller sleeves/not as long).

Iam8_Bit
10-20-2007, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DK_Albion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by dd22cowboys:

Is that you in the picture? Whats with the "garb" your wearing? Eh frodo/jedi knight?


If you have nothing to contribute to the thread and discussion besides trying to insult or pick a fight then please do it elsewhere.

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, well I will not take it as an insult, but act like the 23 year old that I am and give him a proper answer.

At that point I am wearing linen under clothing, gambeson, chainmail, hood, coif, helmet, sword, dagger, throwing axe, shoes, Tunic and a knights cloak. Which is designed to be big enough to cover the rear end of your horse (not that I have one, but it could if I would have an horse).
The complete outfit has a total weight of 30 kilo's, try fighting in that.
I can... can you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice to see ya take the high road....I am more apt to just fling some insults and stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

DK_Albion
10-21-2007, 01:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How long is that Hauberk?

I know that there were ones that had longer sleeves as well as went down a bit below the waist, with a slit in order to allow it to break for your horse riding and such. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stiler, you are correct. It's a rather small, it reaches to halfway of my thighs. I would rather have a longer one, but more hauberk surface = more rings = more development time = more spare time, a comfort I do not have.
But as time passes by, I am working on some adjustments, for example, I am developing sort of flaps for the sides of my legs and special leg pieces. Also I am working on a mouth / chin piece for my coif, and since my gloves are starting to die my main objective is making (well attaching some chainmail to bought) gloves. But making chainmail stuff is very time consuming.
But there is also an explanation why I choose to do this, and not complete the hauberk first, because the long ones were mostly used by mounted knigths, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I would like to be a mounted knight but I cannot afford a horse (ok... could affort one but not maintain it). Among footsoldiers it was not common to have the flaps on the hauberk for your legs, but just standard leg pieces. surrounding your legs and attached to your belt.
I would never want the arms longer, I have tried the Hauberk of one of my training buddies and it had the full arms but I didn't feel right for me, so I solved it using leahter guards. The arms of the hauberk fall around my elbows.