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Texas LongHorn
06-18-2004, 02:18 PM
Ilya- stop, you're killing me <ggg.> And I quote "such as the attack on Pearl Harbor on our beautiful Hawaii map," I would go nuts to see this map. The shots of Eastern and Sand Island at Midway were pretty darn slick, but I would love to see some screenshots and the map of Pearl. I hope the level of detail is super high and that they don't cave in and simplify it for the sake of FPS. All the best, LongHorn

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Texas LongHorn
06-18-2004, 02:18 PM
Ilya- stop, you're killing me &lt;ggg.&gt; And I quote "such as the attack on Pearl Harbor on our beautiful Hawaii map," I would go nuts to see this map. The shots of Eastern and Sand Island at Midway were pretty darn slick, but I would love to see some screenshots and the map of Pearl. I hope the level of detail is super high and that they don't cave in and simplify it for the sake of FPS. All the best, LongHorn

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Hedge72
06-18-2004, 02:49 PM
I'm fairly excited about the inclusion of Pearl Harbor in PF. Heck, it's what's missing the most from any Pacific sim to date...the attack that started it all!!

I had the opportunity to visit Pearl Harbor last year...what an experience; the first battle field I had ever been to. Very sobering.

I can't wait to see what Luthier and the gang have managed to do with this much overlooked attack! Well done, many thanks and bring on the screens!

Hedge

Capt._Tenneal
06-18-2004, 02:58 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am glad for the Pearl Harbor map also and look forward to it, but after a recreation of the Dec. 7 mission the map will be pretty much useless in the game. The only other missions we'll use the map for will be "what if ?" scenarios.

I'll have to admit though, the sight of Pearl Harbor on the few minutes before the attack, with all the harbor activity, should be a magnificent sight.

CowboyTodd41
06-18-2004, 04:20 PM
I dunno it could be good for some training scenarios, I know I had a alot of fun repeatedly nuking Honolulu in F/A-18 3.0/Korea

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Aeronautico
06-18-2004, 05:12 PM
I believe the scenario some B-29's fly on in the update, actually IS the Honolulu map?

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VW-IceFire
06-18-2004, 05:31 PM
No I believe those B-29's are flying over Japan. Thats my guess.

The Hawaii map can be used for so many things. Essentially yes there is use for it in roughly a 3-4 hour long period during one day in terms of battles but you can use it to do it from the prespective of a torpedo bomb pilot, a dive bomber pilot, part of the few P-40's that scrambled to defend other airfields, part of the Buffalo's and other aircraft that managed to get airborne during the attack and get into combat with some Zero's. Lots of things happened in that period...no one mission can simulate them all so you can have many takes of that single event.

Nevermind training which would kind of be fun to do around Hawaii...and then there's the visual quality. No doubt I'll have a few sessions just flying around the coastline.

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Latico
06-18-2004, 06:08 PM
There's also the viewpoint of the VS6 squadron of SBD's that arrived from the west during the Attack. They didn't just have to dodge enemy planes but run a gauntlet of friendly fire that brought down some of them before they could land.

mllaneza
06-18-2004, 09:09 PM
Someday, maybe, we'll be able to try and land a B-17 during the attack.

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Tater-SW-
06-18-2004, 09:26 PM
I tell ya, if we got together with someone who deals with history channel documentaries, a few people with a better FMB (even the one we have now) could make CGI for their shows that would make the **** they show now look like the **** it is. Pearl would be a good way to sell it...

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DuxCorvan
06-20-2004, 12:23 PM
I have to say it.

Unless we are tough WW2 Japanese pilots trying to start a war, I think this scenario is going to be a bit harsh, specially for US gamers.

Because, even if it's a virtual engagement, who's going to sink the 'Arizona' with its new Luthier's crew watching, and still get fun? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It's the same reason I find B-29 'A-Bomb' missions to be a little beyond the game concept.

But, hey, it's good to have this historical turning point in a sim for the first time.

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heywooood
06-20-2004, 11:37 PM
This issue, so aptly put by DuxCorvan, is probably what has kept it from being simulated until recently. The Pearl harbor survivors and the surviving relatives of the Arizona in particular might have objected. I say might have because I don't know if that is the reason or not - but I do know that this is a new way to memorialize and to remember them.
Maybe to re-enact is to gain a better understanding of the horror of war - and maybe more young people will see this simulation and be inspired to seek reference materials to gain a better understanding of history. How many of us know more now about WWII and owe that to our experience with FB?

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ImpStarDuece
06-21-2004, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hedge72:
I'm fairly excited about the inclusion of Pearl Harbor in PF. Heck, it's what's missing the most from any Pacific sim to date...the attack that started it all!!

Hedge<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't know if Dec 7 quite started the whole shebang. The Japanese had been at war in the Pacific since the early to mid 1930s. Invasion of China, annexation of Korea ring any bells?

What the attack on Pearl Harbour did do was to bring to America a war that most of Northern and Southern Asia knew was coming.

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zoomar2
06-21-2004, 11:56 AM
Pearl Harbor is a great inclusion. My concerns are that to model the actual attack on the fleet they'll have to model a huge variety of ship classes. Eight Arizonas in a row just wouldn't look right. Also, something will need to be done to simulate the actual surprise - otherwise Vals and Kates are going to be getting blown out of the sky by super-accurate AA before they can even see Ford Island. Deep down, I wonder if we will just get endless airfield attacks on USAAC airfields, with the actual harbor attack not simulated.

pacettid
06-22-2004, 05:43 AM
I have never seen a home computer/flight simulation that could handle the level of detail required to portray an attack on Battleship Row, without dropping down to about 15 fps, or worse.

We'll see....

All the best, Don

MEGILE
06-22-2004, 05:48 AM
The problm with Pearl Harbour is going to be that.. we know its coming.
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