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ClnlSandersLite
05-24-2005, 03:18 AM
For any who haven't seen this, just thought I'd share. http://www.big-boys.com/articles/planelands.html

ClnlSandersLite
05-24-2005, 03:18 AM
For any who haven't seen this, just thought I'd share. http://www.big-boys.com/articles/planelands.html

trumper
05-24-2005, 03:27 AM
Blimey,why did he land like that,any ideas on the background to it?

major_setback
05-24-2005, 03:40 AM
These are from the same site.

The second one is from the first public showing of the JAS Gripen (Swedish). This clip shows how the plane stalled and crashed at a public display in the cente of Stockholm. Incrediblty nobody got hurt. The plane crashed into a small area of parkland at a crowded festival!

The third clip shows the same aircraft during early flight tests. No-one was hurt in the crash. The computer avionics were found to be making the controls over-sensitive. This was thought to be the reason for both crashes.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/landbad.html


http://www.big-boys.com/articles/closeplane.html


http://www.big-boys.com/articles/subparlanding.html

ploughman
05-24-2005, 03:43 AM
Isn't that Kai Tak, Hong Kong's old airport? There's a hill, Arsenal or Bunker Hill or something like that, at one end of the runway so the planes have to bank around it and then set themselves down smartly. I landed there a couple of times, as a passenger, and it's pretty hairy. There was pretty much always a China Airlines plane in the sea on one or the other side of the runway, don't know why but those guys never seemed to get the hang of it.

ClnlSandersLite
05-24-2005, 04:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Blimey,why did he land like that,any ideas on the background to it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No Idea.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">These are from the same site. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah but those are crashes (2) and a bad piloting episode (1). There are actually several on there. Well, the liner could have been the result of brake lock I suppose, but in that case that would make all 3 technical errors.

What really makes that video special: the pilot that put that liner down is ****ing amazing. Try coming in at the end of an airfield with a 45 degree offset like that and see for yourself how hard it is. After that, do it with a bobmer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">don't know why but those guys never seemed to get the hang of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't know if that's where it is or not, but maybe their planes just suck and tend to break under abnormal circumstances like that? I must admit I know next to nothing about the chinese civillian aviation world.

ploughman
05-24-2005, 05:25 AM
This is a description of a landing at Kai Tak made by some enthusiast in the jump seat of a FedEx jet.

"The world-famous checkerboard hill appeared in the distance, and the rush began€¦ the jumbo continued descending. I quickly took two pictures out the left cockpit window for an idea of just how low we were. The photos were 24mm, so things were closer than they appeared.
The next photo I took was the cockpit view just before the 47? banking maneuver. I could see the runway, and it was close! The overwhelming part of the landing was that the runway was no where near in line as we descended. The engines howled as we made the famous turn, and I took my most precious picture. I looked to the right €" apartment blocks were close enough to see people in their homes €" a rather dramatic visualization at 170 miles per hour. The adrenaline rush was a hundred times better than anything I€ve had before.

Looking forward, I realized the runway was still not in line. It was immediately before us. The captain €" with the €œnot too well€ eyesight €" took a firm grip and dropped the right wing hard. Still airborne, we sailed over the runway. Then it was the left wing€s turn to drop out from under us. A moment later, we were level again, and it felt like we must€ve been already halfway down the runway. We came down hard, and they put on full brakes €" really, really full. The end of the runway probably wasn€t actually under the nose of the aircraft, but from where I sat €" it couldn€t be seen. Welcome to Kai Tak."

ploughman
05-24-2005, 05:30 AM
Here are some pilots who weren't quite up to the demands of Kai Tak.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/images/mas72_flame.jpg http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/images/allnippon1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/images/allnippon2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/images/cal45degree.jpg http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/images/korean.jpg

And the China Airlines water feature
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/images/airplanesalvage.jpg

tsisqua
05-24-2005, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trumper:
Blimey,why did he land like that,any ideas on the background to it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ever land an airplane in a crosswind? You use the rudder to yaw the plane to keep your travel straight with the runway. You use the ailerons to keep the wings level, and straighten the mess out just at landing.

Tsisqua

RAF56_BTB
05-24-2005, 08:34 AM
As it happens http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
My wife payed for me to go up in a little Cesna last weekend, as a birthday gift. We had quiet a cross wind both taking off and landing. The pilot allowed me to line the aircraft up with the runway and to bring us down to aprox 800 feet. After which he took control, he said that as there was a heavy cross wind we would be comming in from an almost sideways motion that he would correct with rudder just before the landing this he did admirably and the landing was very smooth. Of course i am in no way comparing a Cesna with the jet but perhaps something of a similar nature was going on here?

Taylortony
05-24-2005, 11:23 AM
RAF56_BTB hope you enjoyed your trial lesson, they are very popular gifts and fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Sorry that is not a very good crosswind landing of that 747, it looks more dramatic due to the camera angle but is a pretty standard approach....................

NOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE one that ain't, where the passengers get a better view down the runway than the pilot, a man incidentally rapidly filling his trousers with the contents of his in flight catering, I would recommend this little PEARL...

NOT for nervous passengers to watch

http://www.vfr.ch/video/TAP_321_ventos_fortes%20a.asx


http://www.vfr.ch/video/alitalia.mpeg


Oh and finally if you wonder were Oleg got the lag zooming from in game, well

http://www.vfr.ch/video/Crash%20Airbus%20demo%20Alsace.mpeg

must be running windows XP


Ohhh and next time you need fuel, think of this poor guy

http://www.vfr.ch/video/Aviation%20-%20Military%20-%20CH-53E%20Refueling%20Accident.mpg

ploughman
05-24-2005, 11:59 AM
Hmmm...I don't think it is a crosswind landing. I think it is the pilot screwing up his final approach at Kai Tak a little bit and the momentum of the jet makes it look like a crosswind landing. Check out this link (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9695/kaitak_photos_1.html) to photos of more Kai Tak approaches, note how the jets all seem to slew across the runway.

Could be wrong though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rnzoli
05-24-2005, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
These are from the same site.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/landbad.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is fake http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The really funny part is the text read by the captain, but in this version, it is cut out.

The Gripen over Stockholm downtown was thought to be brought down by engine trouble. I was in town that day, and could not figure out, why so many rescue aircraft head towards the city center. Then I learn the true story from the evening news.

womenfly
05-24-2005, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tsisqua:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trumper:
Blimey,why did he land like that,any ideas on the background to it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ever land an airplane in a crosswind? You use the rudder to yaw the plane to keep your travel straight with the runway. You use the ailerons to keep the wings level, and straighten the mess out just at landing.

Tsisqua </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try a full rudder & aileron deflected side-slip from 200 ft AGL right down to the runway ... straightening out just as you start to flare ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif I do it in a clipped wing J-3 Cub all the time.

But in a 747, that€s amazing .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

GreyBeast
05-24-2005, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
For any who haven't seen this, just thought I'd share. http://www.big-boys.com/articles/planelands.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a clip from the OLD Hong Kong Airport, Kai Tak. There were many many incidents just like that one in Hong Kong. Just look it up at www.airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net) or google Hong Kong Kai Tak.

The old airport had almost all of the runway built into the sea. The inland side had a mountain range right behind it. When landing onto this runway, pilots fly along that mountain range (gear and flaps down), which runs at around 45º to the runway's centerline, fighting crosswinds and drafts sloping down the mountainside. During the final approach, the plane flies over crowded suburbs crammed with highrises, heads toward a giant checkerboard (about 20 x 30m in size) painted onto the side of a hill that's no more than (I'm guessing) 500 meters from the runway threshhold. At this point, the aircraft has to be banked to the right and turn 47º to line up with the runway, the turn being complete just about as wheels touch down. The video in this post ist almost certainly filming from that hill with the checkerboard.

Crazy crazy crazy airport.

There's lots of videos of it, and pictures, too... Amazing!!!

LeadSpitter_
05-24-2005, 07:34 PM
Is that those japanese crosswinds? I seen a bunch of similiar clips in china and japan.