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leitmotiv
04-27-2007, 09:08 PM
One thing about IL-2 puzzles me. Since it was an East Front ground attack sim in conception, the Hs 129 was a natural flyable for it. Why was it never made a flyable? I, for one, would have really enjoyed raking T-34s with the MK103 30mm.

leitmotiv
04-27-2007, 09:08 PM
One thing about IL-2 puzzles me. Since it was an East Front ground attack sim in conception, the Hs 129 was a natural flyable for it. Why was it never made a flyable? I, for one, would have really enjoyed raking T-34s with the MK103 30mm.

berg417448
04-27-2007, 09:11 PM
I've wished for a flyable Hs-129 myself. When I was a lad building model planes the 129 was always one of my favorites.

leitmotiv
04-27-2007, 10:55 PM
Same here. As a matter of fact, I thought of this odd omission while looking at images of the superb Hasegawa 1:48 Hs 129! While playing FB three years ago I expected a flyable Hs 129 would come along since we had an AI one.

csThor
04-28-2007, 12:23 AM
It had been started - by the same person who made the He 162 A cockpit - but then the developer was posted to Iraq and the project went into the drawer. When he came back the time for such projects had already gone by.

JG53Frankyboy
04-28-2007, 01:43 AM
actually (personal opinion) for the game quality it would have been much better if Maddox never would have left the easternfront scenario.................... all that labour could have been put in related planes, maps and game developments in general. instead of mostly "unfinished" stuff for other scenarios http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

well, propably it would have been not the best for the selleries http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

not that im a huge fan of the eastern front secenario - but the game started with that......
my hopes are realy going with the SoW series - keeping the stuff "scenario"-related http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
04-28-2007, 01:49 AM
Ah, I see. Too bad.

TX-Gunslinger
04-28-2007, 03:59 AM
Well,

An Hs-129 would have always been a great addition and it is a shame.

Wonder what Ilya is up to over at RRG these days?

Shame they don't have a forum there.

Badsight-
04-28-2007, 04:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
actually (personal opinion) for the game quality it would have been much better if Maddox never would have left the easternfront scenario.................... all that labour could have been put in related planes, maps </div></BLOCKQUOTE>less bloated , smoother running , more complete

your personal opinion is shared by others

as for the Hs-129 , it remains one of my most wanted planes , one thing i like to do with our Ai 129 is to set it with the underside 4 MG armament & put it on strafing attacks

csThor
04-28-2007, 04:12 AM
RRG is working on a title of their own based on the SoW engine. Scuttlebutt has it it's going to be Korea, though there are no official statements about its content so far.

R_Target
04-28-2007, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
actually (personal opinion) for the game quality it would have been much better if Maddox never would have left the easternfront scenario.................... all that labour could have been put in related planes, maps and game developments in general. instead of mostly "unfinished" stuff for other scenarios http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As much as I enjoy the PTO stuff, I have to agree. A narrower focus would have resulted in a more complete game. I suppose with IL2's surge in popularity in the West, the dominant ETO '44 scenario was inevitable.

carguy_
04-28-2007, 05:07 PM
It is quite problematic.I for one heard there was almost no data on it to model it accordingly.

Also,the bigger antitank cannons were mounted later in the war,especially the heavier ones built in negligible numbers.That aircraft was as much endangered to enemy attacks as the Ju87.

Basically,if VVS side had IL2,then the LW side should always have a flyable Hs129.Although since a Bk3.7 could also be mounted on the Me110,it proved to be a much more versatile aircraft.No matter what,the Hs129 would never step up to the 110 in role of a heavy fighter.

What REALLY puzzles me is why there is no flyable 110C???Even though it`s in BoB,it is a perfectly valid plane of the eastern front!

csThor
04-28-2007, 10:17 PM
In fact LukeFF had a sh*tload of data - everything was in place until that dreaded "posted to Iraq" order came.

The thing is the plane would have filled a gap and would probably have surprised some people. It's bad reputation stemmed from the abysmal pre-production types. The B-2 serial production types were both reliable and highly successful in combat. They were, of course, vulnerable to enemy fighters, but in contrast to our game there were not always fighters present, not even in 1944 or 1945.

And the more important Bf 110 versions for the Eastern Front would have been the Bf 110 E and F. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AVG_WarHawk
04-29-2007, 12:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThor:
RRG is working on a title of their own based on the SoW engine. Scuttlebutt has it it's going to be Korea, though there are no official statements about its content so far. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought RRG already stated that it would not be a Korea.

BillyTheKid_22
04-29-2007, 12:19 AM
http://homepage3.nifty.com/aircraft/data/Hs129.jpg



Hs-129!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c130/hdspray/pic0210.gif

TX-Gunslinger
04-29-2007, 12:24 AM
Thanks Billy - Awesome shot.

TX-Gunslinger
04-29-2007, 12:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThor:
In fact LukeFF had a sh*tload of data - everything was in place until that dreaded "posted to Iraq" order came.

The thing is the plane would have filled a gap and would probably have surprised some people. It's bad reputation stemmed from the abysmal pre-production types. The B-2 serial production types were both reliable and highly successful in combat. They were, of course, vulnerable to enemy fighters, but in contrast to our game there were not always fighters present, not even in 1944 or 1945.

And the more important Bf 110 versions for the Eastern Front would have been the Bf 110 E and F. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Agree 100% Considering that we have a Beaufighter - it's a real gap not to have this aircraft.

The BK-3.7 we have on the 110 fires only H.E. last time I looked. Not truly effective on heavy armor.

While I'm at it, as far as early to mid war - the HS-123 stands out also. The last HS-123's were given up in mid-1944. So here is an attack aircraft which served from the Spanish Civil War to near the end of the Eastern Front conflict, that we don't have in the sim.

If RRG is not aimed at Korea, then I wonder if they are working on fleshing out the remainder of the Eastern front? The USAAF markings with a Red Star in the middle might be construed as representing the only large USSR/US cooperative effort - the B-17 shuttle missions, which ended so disasterously for the Americans.

I sincerely hope that this new addition RRG is working on is not another "what-if" scenario, as in what-if the US and USSR had gone to war during the Berlin airlift period.

Sadly, RRG has no forum - I wish they did.

S~

Gunny

Hanglands
04-29-2007, 03:25 AM
I think it would have been a great flyable.

But I've just realised what the 129 reminds me of....

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Hs129.jpg

Feathered_IV
04-29-2007, 04:06 AM
Last months Scale Aircraft Modelling had an ad for an upcomming 1/16th or thereabouts resin cockpit model of the Hs129. Can't remember the company name though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Anyone got a copy around?

leitmotiv
04-29-2007, 08:01 AM
Saw same somewhere else. Can't recall maker. For everybody who is pained by being unable to crawl into a Maddox 129 cockpit (including me). Most likely will settle for a Hase 1:48 and going boom! boom! boom! as I dive on T-34 models.

PraetorHonoris
04-29-2007, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
actually (personal opinion) for the game quality it would have been much better if Maddox never would have left the easternfront scenario.................... all that labour could have been put in related planes, maps and game developments in general. instead of mostly "unfinished" stuff for other scenarios http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a rather popular opinion at least on the German board as you know. However, there are two problems: The eastern front is not very popular in the US and even western Europe, moreover the eastern front is pretty much finished from the Russian point of view (apart from some bi-planes and the Pe8).

The greatest lack in this game are the insufficient air-to-ground capabilities on the German side. We lack basic planes like Hs123, Hs129, a range of medium bombers and a lot of load outs. The most glaring omission is that we don't have a single bloody air-to-ground rocket, although Panzerblitz I and II could be mounted on the F8 - with the introduction of the X4 guided air-to-ground missiles would have been possible in this game, too.

On the other hand, in a 1946-scenario the Allies lack a decent (jet-)bomber, but don't let us start on the 46-addon...

stalkervision
04-29-2007, 09:28 AM
I want this one for Luft 46.


http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/3bh1078c.gif

http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/hep1078c.html

general_kalle
04-29-2007, 11:16 AM
ah ya. the plane with a tiny cocpit and a hugh gun modification.
a 7.5 cm Cannon for ground attack. really cool.
that would be nice flying.
its also heavily armoured.

stalkervision
04-29-2007, 11:20 AM
http://www.luft46.com/roart/ro078-3.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
04-29-2007, 11:31 AM
http://www.modelplac.wz.cz/images/kits/hs129/hs129-20.jpg



Hs-129 1:48 scale. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


www.modelplac.wz.cz/index.htm (http://www.modelplac.wz.cz/index.htm)



http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c130/hdspray/pic0210.gif

berg417448
04-29-2007, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I want this one for Luft 46.


http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/3bh1078c.gif

http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/hep1078c.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey...this a Hs-129 whiner's thread. Take your Heinkel whining elsewhere! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HuninMunin
04-29-2007, 01:46 PM
Ok then:

http://www.luft46.com/henschel/3bhs132.jpg

http://www.luft46.com/mmart/mm132-6.jpg


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And in contrast to some other bird we have it belongs into a '46 package (http://www.luft46.com/henschel/hs132.html)

leitmotiv
04-29-2007, 01:54 PM
Yes, this would have been logical for 46, but there seems to have been precious little logic to 46.

cawimmer430
04-29-2007, 02:05 PM
I want the Daimler-Benz Jaeger and the Junkers EF-112! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mrdbj-2.jpg


http://www.luft46.com/gmart/gmj12-9.jpg

HuninMunin
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Yes, this would have been logical for 46, but there seems to have been precious little logic to 46. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In der Not frisst der Teufel Fliegen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

leitmotiv
04-29-2007, 03:24 PM
Ha! Learned a new expression! Ja!

HuninMunin
04-29-2007, 03:37 PM
That actually translates?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Or is it as strange an idiom as it can get? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

On a 1 - 10 scale ^^

leitmotiv
04-29-2007, 04:14 PM
Translated by Beulingus as (1) "In default of a soul the devil puts up with a fly" (2) "Beggars can't be choosers"

(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

HuninMunin
04-29-2007, 05:12 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I had thought and thought looking for number 2 until I came to the conclusion: To hell with it; he speaks German ^^

leitmotiv
04-29-2007, 08:13 PM
I was much better in 1969! I actually preferred German to English for thinking when I was 17. In other words, a Hegelian!

Feathered_IV
04-29-2007, 11:33 PM
Found it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

www.fusion-models.com (http://www.fusion-models.com) under the Historical Models section. A whopping 1/12 scale too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BillyTheKid_22
04-29-2007, 11:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Found it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

www.fusion-models.com (http://www.fusion-models.com) under the Historical Models section. A whopping 1/12 scale too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Very good!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

major_setback
04-30-2007, 02:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hanglands:
I think it would have been a great flyable.

But I've just realised what the 129 reminds me of....

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Hs129.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Or maybe...

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~tc4y-kk/airimage/img2/hs129_04.jpg http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/WBC/WBCDC2.jpg



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Mean duck!



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LStarosta
04-30-2007, 04:58 PM
Luft46:

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/4_20flies_20plane.jpg

okb001
09-21-2007, 09:47 AM
Hey guys ... this is going to sounds like another of my ludicrous ideas .. but since the Hs-129 isn't flyable by the player .. what about using the Beaufighter instead? I don't know how different both planes were in terms of performance and handling (the Beaufighter's definitly faster and had a much bigger range) ... but it's four 20mm guns could help replacing the big guns the Hs-129 was equipped with ... and shape wise they do look a bit similar ... so maybe it could be a good fit for performing similar type of missions?

Jaws2002
09-21-2007, 10:50 AM
For Luft43 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/Ihadadream9.jpg

Jaws2002
09-21-2007, 10:51 AM
Ah btw. Welcome back Luke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/Ihadadream9.jpg

leitmotiv
09-21-2007, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by okb001:
Hey guys ... this is going to sounds like another of my ludicrous ideas .. but since the Hs-129 isn't flyable by the player .. what about using the Beaufighter instead? I don't know how different both planes were in terms of performance and handling (the Beaufighter's definitly faster and had a much bigger range) ... but it's four 20mm guns could help replacing the big guns the Hs-129 was equipped with ... and shape wise they do look a bit similar ... so maybe it could be a good fit for performing similar type of missions? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just the small matter that the Beau was a hot, powerful aircraft, and the 129 was an underpowered, heavily armored flying tank which was about as lively as the TB-3!

okb001
09-21-2007, 11:50 AM
good points leitmotiv ... As anyone ever flew that plane in another flight-sim? That could give us an idea of how "bad" it was compared to the Beaufighter.

waffen-79
09-21-2007, 12:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
One thing about IL-2 puzzles me. Since it was an East Front ground attack sim in conception, the Hs 129 was a natural flyable for it. Why was it never made a flyable? I, for one, would have really enjoyed raking T-34s with the MK103 30mm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

I also miss the Me-210 and 410

Gibbage1
09-21-2007, 01:14 PM
If you guys wanna know "why not", the artist doing the cockpit was shipped off to Iraq, thats why. Blame Bush.

okb001
09-21-2007, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
If you guys wanna know "why not", the artist doing the cockpit was shipped off to Iraq, thats why. Blame Bush. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope he came back alive ... If so maybe there's hope for it to be in a coming patch? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

ploughman
09-21-2007, 01:30 PM
I just hope he came back, bollocks to the cockpit.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-21-2007, 01:31 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

okb001
09-21-2007, 01:33 PM
oh, I didn't know he was still deployed in Iraq.

Daiichidoku
09-21-2007, 02:02 PM
if a me 110 pit was used, we could have a flyable Henshel

if AIs could be flyable with WonderWoman/pit off only, thats around 60 aircraft instantly available for pit off flying, DFs, co-ops, etc

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/8391043455



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/MIA-1.jpg

MEGILE
09-21-2007, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
For Luft43 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/Ihadadream9.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lmao, I didn't see this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wheres the ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Jaws2002
09-21-2007, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
For Luft43 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/Ihadadream9.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lmao, I didn't see this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wheres the ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Belive me I was seriously thinking about it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif, but because it was about 3 am when I was done and I didn't find that character right the way, I forgot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Please don't sue me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

DKoor
09-21-2007, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by okb001:
oh, I didn't know he was still deployed in Iraq. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If someone politely explained to those feckers high up who love IL-2 Shturmovik that he is in fact the guy who is destined to make Hs pit, he'd probably be in the first ship heading for home.....

Bad part of that is......nobody did anything in that regard.

And no...I'm not joking.

Skunk_438RCAF
09-21-2007, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Ah btw. Welcome back Luke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, his post is dated April 30th... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Grand_Armee
09-21-2007, 05:08 PM
It always comes down to marketting mates. No Spitfire...few POM's will buy it. No PAC theatre no p-51 or 47...few Yanks will buy it.

That only leaves Euro's and those poor slavs living under Putin's increasingly Stalinistic hand. And too few of them can afford a PC and therefor play IL-2.

JG54_Lukas
09-22-2007, 04:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Ah btw. Welcome back Luke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, even if it's two years late. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HellToupee
09-22-2007, 05:25 AM
tsetse mosqutio would be superior