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BM357_Raven
03-08-2004, 11:35 AM
The 109z...is a killer! If I fly Blue and it's selectable..guess what?

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5th He-111
6th 109 (even though I am probably most efficient with this plane)

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BM357_Raven
03-08-2004, 11:35 AM
The 109z...is a killer! If I fly Blue and it's selectable..guess what?

2nd fav LW plane 110
3rd fav LW Ta-152
4th fav 190
5th He-111
6th 109 (even though I am probably most efficient with this plane)

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BM357_Raven
03-08-2004, 11:45 AM
And P-38 pilots...you boyz need to watch out for this plane..

The volley of fire that comes off this thing...it's a wonder it doesnt come to a complete stop when you fire all the guns..

Disciple and I were flying wingman tactics against some P-38's and P-51's and he picked a P-51 off my six.. The sound of his guns made me jump.. Man!

Another time he shredded a P-51 about a quarter click out and we both kinda snickered and laughed..deadly, evil machine. And definitely bizarre.

The Germans came up with some really nice looking planes... But this thing is definitely not a looker.

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BuzzU
03-08-2004, 11:49 AM
If you need five 30mm cannons to get kills. There is a problem.


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SlickStick
03-08-2004, 03:14 PM
Totally agree, the 109Z is a fun and powerful plane to fly. And you can use manual CEM to really make it perform. I have had no problems out turning P38s and other fighters in it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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BuzzU
03-08-2004, 03:17 PM
You really like those noob planes slick. Did the Z ever see combat? Might as well use an F-18. Just model it, and kill everybody. What fun.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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JG4_Rivercube
03-08-2004, 03:25 PM
I dont think its a noob plane...and it doesnt
matter for me if the plane was only a prototype
or like p80 4 planes in italy for troop morale.

Is there any difference?

BuzzU
03-08-2004, 03:27 PM
Yes, there is. The P-80 shouldn't be there either.

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Red_Russian13
03-08-2004, 03:29 PM
Noob planes. I love that phrase. Who really cares what planes other people like to fly? If you don't like them, then don't fly them. And don't play in servers where they're allowed. It's pretty simple.

Another thing, lets say for a moment that it's 1945 and the Zulu just started to roll off the production line. You're a LW pilot. The Zulu is effective and has more firepower to bring down those pesky US bombers, but it's a "noob" plane. I doubt that you'd want to stick to something obviously inferior and not up to the job. You'd want to fly it because it works, not to mention it's rather likely that the order would come from the top and you wouldn't have much of a choice.

The way I look at it, if people want to spend time modeling WWII-era planes, whether they saw combat or not, why not fly it from time to time if you want. That comment about the F/A-18 is just absurd. Just because some of these planes didn't fly, I think they're still "keeping with the spirit" of this sim.

I don't see why some people are so damn judgemental and elitist.

Red Russian

BuzzU
03-08-2004, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Russian13:
Noob planes. I love that phrase. Who really cares what planes other people like to fly? If you don't like them, then don't fly them. And don't play in servers where they're allowed. It's pretty simple.

Another thing, lets say for a moment that it's 1945 and the Zulu just started to roll off the production line. You're a LW pilot. The Zulu is effective and has more firepower to bring down those pesky US bombers, but it's a "noob" plane. I doubt that you'd want to stick to something obviously inferior and not up to the job. You'd want to fly it because it works, not to mention it's rather likely that the order would come from the top and you wouldn't have much of a choice.

The way I look at it, if people want to spend time modeling WWII-era planes, whether they saw combat or not, why not fly it from time to time if you want. That comment about the F/A-18 is just absurd. Just because some of these planes didn't fly, I think they're still "keeping with the spirit" of this sim.

I don't see why some people are so damn judgemental and elitist.

Red Russian<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would you let me rag on Slick without giving me a lecture. I don't believe I was talking to you. Personally I don't care if you fly a 747. I don't fly on open servers.

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Captain_Avatar
03-08-2004, 03:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
I don't fly on open servers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But you like to post on "open" forums. If you can't take criticism, you shouldn't dish it out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

CO_Eagle_31stFG
03-08-2004, 03:45 PM
The real point is we like real planes, and you cannot consider the 109z as anything more than a ground target. The planes flight model is totally fictional and set up based on what they think it might have done if it had flown. Fact is the 109z was a prototype plane in developement by the Germans, and it was destroyed in the hangar before test flights ever began. Not to mention as a result the Germans never continued the 109z project because they had other projects to move on to. IE some of the ME projects.

Thats actually the only bird in the game I disagree simply because it is totally fictional except for its dimensions.

But those of you who want to fly what we use to call a "MOD" plane back in other sims. Feel free to fly it we cant stop you, but I certainly wouldn't allow it to be flown in a dogfight match between squads ( at least not those who appreciate histories real flying aircraft). Nice extra but I wont use it mark my words http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At least the 38 was a functional plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xnomad
03-08-2004, 03:51 PM
Can I just add that the Z in German code isn't Zulu it's Zeppelin. Can you imagine some bomber crews coming back and saying that fellow planes were getting shot down by Zeppelins, a misunderstanding would certainly be funny in that type of situation.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
03-08-2004, 03:53 PM
i agree this 109Z is a monster its fast,rolls,turns and climb is ok

very scary when out of nowhere it apears on ur six u will get a flash light vision with those guns blazing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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Red_Russian13
03-08-2004, 04:02 PM
BuzzU...You can rag on Slick all you want. I was just stating my opinion because, after all, this is a forum. If it was just between you and Slick, well, then my mistake.

CO_Eagle_31stFG...I like real planes too, but sometimes I like screwing around with fictional/prototype planes. I've always been interested in the last days of the LW and the technology associated with that. It's cool that I get to fly them whether their flight model is accurate or not. It's just a novelty anyway. I don't fly them online, and I'm more than happy to abide by server rules.

Xnomad...Thanks for the info, I didn't realize that the code was Zeppelin. I'm just so used to the US phonetic alphabet (modern one) that I just went with it. It's what us analysts call mirror-imagine bias. But that would be sort of a funny situation.

Bottom line guys and gals, I ALWAYS enjoy reading these posts here even though I sometimes don't agree with what's posted. Keep it up.

Red Russian

sobolan
03-08-2004, 04:06 PM
In March the 3rd, I was online on a server flying the 109Z (it just happened, did not know what it was capable of).
Zen was there also, BnZ in a Ta...after a few tangles, one outrun by my Z, we had concluded that this is a bad a$$ machine and somehow those who flew La-5FN/Yak-3 in Il-2, La-7s in FB 1.0, La-7, Hahahurris and 109s with 108 gondolas...those will love the Zhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Counter moves? At high speeds it rolls like a brick and the elevator response is almost nill. And its turn rate is not something to brag about. And don't forget, its 2 109s stuck together, two matchsticks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
What it can do really well: speed and climb

And BuzzU...it has 4 MKs...the 5th would be the 103 if you chose to have it in a gondola...which raise the question: if you already have 4(FOUR)MK-108, do you REALLY need another gun? (even if it's a 103?)

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carguy_
03-08-2004, 04:09 PM
You cruel ppl should know that there are some without AEP.I`m braking up here!

Just tell me that FW190 with 2xMG151 got rid of da bombrac http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Red_Russian13
03-08-2004, 04:11 PM
Sorry Carguy. I just got my second copy today from my pre-order on 30 Jan. I'd send it to you, but I want my money back.

RR

sobolan
03-08-2004, 04:14 PM
Hello carguy_, long time no see...

On topic: is there any possibility to REMOVE the MK-108 from the plane and instal instead 4 UBK, the russian heavy mgs? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Now, sudenly, that and uberplanehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif More ammo, less weight, less recoil, more reach, etc...

I keep geting called "lucky" after some FW drivers gets their wings cut prety far away by MG fire from the Yak I fly (don't like the Yak-3, too twitchy for me...but if there is a smart a$$ above the airfield, BnZ away at us, I just jump into a Yak, take 25% fuel and the rest its...lucky shot...5-8 of them each online sesion)...So I must be a lucky manhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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sobolan
03-08-2004, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
ou cruel ppl should know that there are some without AEP.I`m braking up here!

Just tell me that FW190 with 2xMG151 got rid of da bombracRR<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell me which FW and I will post some screenies for you.

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BM357_Raven
03-08-2004, 04:15 PM
BuzzU:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
If you need five 30mm cannons to get kills. There is a problem.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a problem... But it's a fun problem..

It's just a novalty that won't find it's way into many of our servers, but I like the variation in FB--kinda fun and imaginative, I think. No idea how the FM resembles the actually 109z, but ah...shrug...

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03-08-2004, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
Yes, there is. The P-80 shouldn't be there either.

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At least the P-80 is a real airplane. Enough North Korean Yak pilots learned the hard way not to mess with F-80's. Yet the Bf 109-Z is nothing more than origami. It was only an airplane on paper.

SlickStick
03-08-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
You really like those noob planes slick. Did the Z ever see combat? Might as well use an F-18. Just model it, and kill everybody. What fun.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Um, what does it matter what anyone likes to fly again? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I made a comment about a new plane and what I found about flying it. Because it's fun, it doesn't mean I fly it all the time.

Not that it matters what you think about what I fly. I just thought you might like more information to base your interesting opinion on.

I still fly the LA7. Is that still considered a noob plane in AEP? Doubtful, but yet I can still score at will in it. The bottom line Buzz, I fly them all. Some are more fun than others, some are flown just to keep up with the Jones' and to learn my enemies strengths and weaknesses.

No matter which plane I fly, however, I find it is truly the man and not the machine that makes the difference. Some planes just help make the man better.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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carguy_
03-08-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sobolan:
Tell me which FW and I will post some screenies for you.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No need for screenies,mate.The first thing I`d like to check is if the loadout option of two MG151 cannons is selectable without the bombrack on any of the FW190.

Meanwhile I`m out of here to get a life.

Geez,shaking over some stuuupid game is just crazy.

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sobolan
03-08-2004, 04:34 PM
As you can see, choosing a 190A-4 with 2MG-151/20 cannons it will still get you the bombrack. I am not 100% sure, I will have to go look again more carefully, but it seems that the rack is there to stayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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crazyivan1970
03-08-2004, 04:38 PM
Very cool plane... i call it "Me and my silent wingman"

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Korolov
03-08-2004, 04:43 PM
Bf-109Z is a exceptional plane, like two 109K-4s wired together in-tandem without the machine guns and three extra mk108s. Nevertheless, I still prefer the Me-110 for the fact that it was widely used and more common than one destroyed 109Z.

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p1ngu666
03-08-2004, 04:57 PM
shame about the low ammo, cowl bumps for mg guns
i like the mk103 too, took em on 190s sometimes, terrible handling, a real challengehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-08-2004, 05:00 PM
More like 2 G-6 Lates (no boost after all) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What's all this "fictional plane" crap? I love how all the Oleg worshippers either turn or fall silent when his interpretation of an LW plane happens to be good. Flaying the LW is apparently more fun or important than paying homage to their god. lol

I wish the old forums were still up, so I could prove this. Oleg himself said that the 109Z was "very aerodynamically sound" and that making an accurate FM for it from the available data would be 'easy'. So, here's the question, do you think Oleg knows what he's talking about, or not?

lol

PS - I should note, by refuting it's being fictional, I'm referring to it's FM. It's no more fictional than General or Special Relativity, assuming Oleg is competent. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
03-08-2004, 05:15 PM
DDT, You have never said anything positive in this forum..nor contributed to this sim ..except of b%thcing and moaning just about everything. You don`t like Oleg`s worshipers or fictional planes crap... no obligations, i am sure LOMAC is much better... oh wait.. is flight data for Mig29 published? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

BuzzU
03-08-2004, 05:24 PM
Had to go out. Looks like I missed the fun. Carry on fellas.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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crazyivan1970
03-08-2004, 05:25 PM
How was your burger? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Huxley_S
03-08-2004, 05:25 PM
It's called "fun" Blitzpig guy... you should try to have some... pref not at everyone else's expense.

BlitzPig_DDT
03-08-2004, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
DDT, You have never said anything positive in this forum..nor contributed to this sim ..except of b%thcing and moaning just about everything. You don`t like Oleg`s worshipers or fictional planes crap... no obligations, i am sure LOMAC is much better... oh wait.. is flight data for Mig29 published? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
Regards,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah yes. Selective memory is a wonderful thing, isn't it Ivan? So sorry you don't like people speaking anything less than praise of your man.

Simple FACT is that I have helped a lot of people with lots of tech related issues on this forum, and was one of the first to stand up for FB against the onslaught of the "harder is more real" morons. But you don't remember that. No surprise really.

Fact is also that my previous post here is correct. He did make that comment. So it does come down to a case of 'does he know what he's doing or not', and, people do only collectively piss and moan about his capabilities when a LW plane is a good performer.

If you don't like it, well, it's not my fault.

BTW - MiG29 data is published. LOMAC rocks. The FMs are damn near dead on (to de-classified specs). Only trouble - inside sources (wish I could reveal them, but, honorbound not too) revealed that when they set the AIM120 to proper specs it, well, performed like it was supposed to and ate damn near everything alive. Guess what? It was changed *right* quick. It's so sad it's almost laughable. lol

But yes, my dissapearance here was due to LOMAC, and my presence there. Which BTW, is a much better audience. Virtually no "blind faith" types, everyone is civil, people aren't outright attacked for questioning the devs, they are all very helpful..... In fact, I was one of the very helpful lot. But then AEP was released and I had to come back for the Spit and P80. lol Too bad this place hasn't changed a bit. lol

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Korolov
03-08-2004, 07:13 PM
Came back for the P-80 and Spit? What, you don't like the T-bolt anymore? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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CO_Eagle_31stFG
03-08-2004, 07:14 PM
For all those uninformed about the 109z here are some good articles on it see and read the link there are many other resources that also say this very same thing about the Z.

http://www.luft46.com/mess/me109z.html

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/db/ger/BF109ZME.html

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/109Z.htm

LEXX_Luthor
03-08-2004, 07:15 PM
DDT:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But yes, my dissapearance here was due to LOMAC...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Then we all hope LOMAC gets another Patch soon. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Fb-109Z gives historical "what if" possibilities...(in Target Rabaul they are developing a campaign where the Japanese change their code and defeat USA codebreakers).

More important, the 109Z (and Fb110) gives LW another different type of prop fighter aircraft to fly instead of the normal two types. This is why the high performance Italian props are most needed over the FB. The Germans were planning on making the G55 for themselves it was so uber at high altitude combat.

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-08-2004, 07:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Came back for the P-80 and Spit? What, you don't like the T-bolt anymore? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not that at all. Still do. But got out of the props, and came back for the *new* planes as a change of pace. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You should have stayed over on LOMAC. You were easier to get along with over there! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Love you too man. lol

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Stalker58
03-09-2004, 04:56 AM
Performance of Me109Z is no more fictional then the performance of those La7s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

x__CRASH__x
03-09-2004, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stalker58:
Performance of Me109Z is no more fictional then the performance of those La7s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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rgoodrich1978
03-09-2004, 09:45 AM
This thread is crazy. Why all the fighting? This is a GAME after all... Any of you play Crimson Skies? Badass game, totally fictional planes. Lighten up already. hehe I think its the dark grey forums, put everybody in a gloomy mood. We need to push for a happier color scheme. :-D

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JR_Greenhorn
03-09-2004, 09:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
Can I just add that the Z in German code isn't Zulu it's Zeppelin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That may be true, but it is not the case with the Bf 109Z. Here, the Z is for "Zwilling," meaning twins, just like with the He 111Z. Wouldn't you agree there was a good reason to name these planes this way, letter code or not?

BfHeFwMe
03-09-2004, 11:23 AM
Wobblers don't like it known they also have plenty of noob rockets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Ruy Horta
03-09-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
More like 2 G-6 Lates (no boost after all) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What's all this "fictional plane" crap? I love how all the Oleg worshippers either turn or fall silent when his interpretation of an LW plane happens to be good. Flaying the LW is apparently more fun or important than paying homage to their god. lol

I wish the old forums were still up, so I could prove this. Oleg himself said that the 109Z was "very aerodynamically sound" and that making an accurate FM for it from the available data would be 'easy'. So, here's the question, do you think Oleg knows what he's talking about, or not?

lol

PS - I should note, by refuting it's being fictional, I'm referring to it's FM. It's no more fictional than General or Special Relativity, assuming Oleg is competent. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Blitzpig,

Just a small comment from a guy who tries to stay on the sideline when it comes to the UBI forum.

There were a few LW-enthusiasts who opposed this a/c from the first day it was mentioned. I was one amongst those few. The answer most of us received was one of being ungrateful about a "gift" made by a third party as a labor of love. Since that time AEP has become a paid for add on, with the 109Z a paid for addition. So any critique is now less ungrateful.

The 109Z is a waste of resources, more so than any other type in the game. In its present form it has nothing to do with WW2 history, its a Luft46 project of an aircraft that was not even a real option when it was in an early design stage already surpassed by later projects AND production aircraft.

I am sorry for the guy who made that bird, but he should have been adviced to use his enthusiasm for an aircraft that mattered.

Yes, there are more pre-production and even prototype aircraft in FB, but only the Go 229 comes close to the 109Z, and even this VERY esoteric type has more (historical) justification.

It pays to look more carefully at expanding the aircraft set, at where to put in an effort and where to pass...

Looking forward to AEP...slated for 18th of march here.

Now I'll be gone before "they" catch me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ruy Horta

[This message was edited by rhorta on Tue March 09 2004 at 12:02 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
03-09-2004, 12:40 PM
The Fb109Z cockpit was probably easy to change over from the Fb109s. So it was kinda freebie there, although the FM and some of the External model still was new. I am particularly fascinated by this Choice, good or bad, that Willy Messer made and can give an interesting way to explore historical "what if" possibilities, like MiG~3U and masses of He~177 formations over Ural mountains East of Moscow--something different than the Establishment B~17 stuff.

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