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Marcel_Albert
02-17-2007, 09:25 AM
All is in the title http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd love :

F4U-4 (it fought )
Avenger flyable (must have )
P-38 G (for Africa campaigns )
Spit XIV (must have )
Bearcat F8F (since we have many 1946 jets , and the plane is beautiful )

Another Ju-88 (night versions or Do-217 ) or a late Mossie would be great too , not to forget the P-36 , but we might have it in BoB first add-ons , it's likely .

What would be your choice if you could choose 5 planes to be included in Il-2 ?

I ask about your favourite planes that you'd love to fly in IL-2 , so be biased http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Marcel_Albert
02-17-2007, 09:25 AM
All is in the title http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd love :

F4U-4 (it fought )
Avenger flyable (must have )
P-38 G (for Africa campaigns )
Spit XIV (must have )
Bearcat F8F (since we have many 1946 jets , and the plane is beautiful )

Another Ju-88 (night versions or Do-217 ) or a late Mossie would be great too , not to forget the P-36 , but we might have it in BoB first add-ons , it's likely .

What would be your choice if you could choose 5 planes to be included in Il-2 ?

I ask about your favourite planes that you'd love to fly in IL-2 , so be biased http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

heywooood
02-17-2007, 09:33 AM
flyable: Lysander

Avenger

Helldiver

Swordfish

Jill (B6N Tenzan)

sakai2005
02-17-2007, 09:36 AM
id add just one B-17 flyable with cockpit

Zeus-cat
02-17-2007, 09:39 AM
Avenger
Swordfish
B-17
Japanese torpedo bomber
B-24

heywooood
02-17-2007, 09:43 AM
it really is a drawback not to have at least one PTO torp. plane in this otherwise complete sim.


*sigh* Il2's with US or IJN paint on them just wont cut the mustard.

Brain32
02-17-2007, 09:43 AM
FW190F9 with Panzerblitz rockets
TyphoonIb

R_Target
02-17-2007, 09:43 AM
Sea Fury
Ki-87
F8F
F4U-4
He-100

F19_Orheim
02-17-2007, 09:44 AM
Fokker DXXI
Hawk 75
Moran Saulnier MS 406
Polikarpov I 15 bis
B6N "Jill" flyable

MEGILE
02-17-2007, 09:46 AM
F-14
F-16
F-18
F-22
F-35

heywooood
02-17-2007, 09:49 AM
F-ing comedian http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

BSS_CUDA
02-17-2007, 09:50 AM
38F or G
F4U4
Avenger
Flyable B-17
Lancaster

Jaws2002
02-17-2007, 09:55 AM
1. Flyable B-17
2. Flyable B-24
3. Me-410
4. F4U-4
5. Flyable He 177 Greif

PBNA-Boosher
02-17-2007, 09:57 AM
As flyable

P-38F
P-36
TBD-1
Yak-1 (the series without a full canopy, but rather, the rear part had windows instead of full plexi)- OR a P-40N
B5N2 Kate

Tooz_69GIAP
02-17-2007, 10:07 AM
Swordfish
Fokker D.XXI
He-115
Sea Gladiator
Sea Hurricane

JtD
02-17-2007, 10:15 AM
Ki-44
Bf-110 as flyable
D4Y
Do-217
Bloch 150 series

Monty_Thrud
02-17-2007, 10:18 AM
Spitfire MkXIV
Typhoon
Me410
Short Sunderland
Lancaster Bomber

...its a BOMBER BOMBER!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCX5X6L28Lc) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Matz0r
02-17-2007, 10:18 AM
Hs-123
P-36
Ki-21
Ca-311
TBF-1/B6N

Stargazer_RobW
02-17-2007, 10:24 AM
B29 - My Favourite American Bomber
B17 - 2nd favourite American Bomber
Lancaster - Favourite British Bomber
Blohm & Voss BV141 - As it's truly one of a kind
Catalina - We need more sea planes

Deedsundone
02-17-2007, 10:27 AM
1:FFVS J22
2:SAAB J21A
3:SAAB B17
4:SAAB B18
5:Seversky Republic EP-106

harryklein66
02-17-2007, 10:31 AM
Tupolev SB
B5N/B6N
D4Y2
P1Y1
Avenger

fordfan25
02-17-2007, 10:32 AM
F4u-4
p-47N
bearcat
boosted tempist
p51-H

tomtheyak
02-17-2007, 10:45 AM
1. Grumman TBF Avenger

2. Ki-44 'Tojo'

3. Martin B-26C Marauder

4. Bristol Beaufort

5. P-38F/G/H

Fox_3
02-17-2007, 11:01 AM
Catalina
Hs123
Hs129
Avenger
U2V

jensenpark
02-17-2007, 11:22 AM
Seafury
Lancaster
Halifax
Wellington
B 17

Cajun76
02-17-2007, 11:35 AM
P-47N
P-47N
P-47N
P-47N
P-47N

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or

Planes that flew:

US torp and dive bombers PTO
Japan torp and dive bombers
P-61
Henschel Hs 129
P-47N http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Spectre1968
02-17-2007, 11:44 AM
PBY-5a
pv-1
B5N2 Kate(flyable)
B6N Jill
TBF(flyable)

waffen-79
02-17-2007, 11:53 AM
/*all flyables*/

1.Me-410
2.Hs-129
3.Fw-154
4.Mig-29G

UberDemon
02-17-2007, 12:08 PM
Not just 5... The planes that should have been there in the beginning that played an enough significant role in the Eastern front... in my opinion:

* I-15
* I-15bis
* R-5
* R-Z
* Hs-123
* Hs-126
* He-177
* Do-17
* He-112
* He-115
* Bf-110D / E / F
* Fw-190A-3
* Go-145
* Fw-58
* Ar-66
* Ju-87R-2 (just add a 2xTank+250Kg to Ju-87B-2)
* Ju-88 C / D

and please... add some loadouts (bombs and gondolas) to the 109F-2 and F-4 already!

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La7_brook
02-17-2007, 12:18 PM
190A3/ 190A7/ 109G4 / 190D12/109G10 20mm

HellToupee
02-17-2007, 12:23 PM
Spitfire XIV
Mosquito B.XVI
Lancaster
B17
Vampire for 1946

Jutocsa
02-17-2007, 12:27 PM
Flyables naturally...mostly crapplanes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Me-210Ca1
Fiat Cr.32
Fw-189
Ju-86K
Weiss-Manfred WM-21

NAFP_supah
02-17-2007, 12:43 PM
F-86
F-84
MiG-15
IL-28
Meteor

general_kalle
02-17-2007, 12:55 PM
flyable B17 or B24 or B26 or Lancaster or Halifax or Wellington

plus flyable:
Avenger
Kate
Cataline or Sunderland. SHORT SUNDERLAND http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
Sea hurricane (hook)

Hrannar
02-17-2007, 01:01 PM
Do-17
I-15
Avenger
Me-410
Spit Mk. IIa

Viper2005_
02-17-2007, 01:07 PM
Spitfire XIV or XVIII
Typhoon
+11 psi Tempest
Meteor or Vampire
late war Mosquito bomber with cookie (eg. B.IX, B.XVI or the mighty B.35), or at least a late war Mosquito FB.VI with rockets and high boost Merlin 25s.

(Would consider swapping one of them for a Lancaster...)

horseback
02-17-2007, 01:31 PM
Spitfire Mk XIV
F4U-4 Corsair
Ki-44 Shoki
H75/P-36 Hawk
Fokker DXXI
(barely edging out the Ju-88C/D)

cheers

horseback

Stackhouse25th
02-17-2007, 02:10 PM
Megiles mom
XF-11
B26
avenger
cessna 172

Bearcat99
02-17-2007, 02:10 PM
Avenger
B5N
Flyable B-17
F-86
Mig-15

...and I know you said 5 but..
Bearcat

p-11.cAce
02-17-2007, 02:23 PM
Ju-52
Fw-189
Ju-86
Fi-156 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
*cockpit texture upgrade on the emil!

XyZspineZyX
02-17-2007, 02:31 PM
Gloster Meteor
Spitfire Mk XIV
Typhoon Ib (Bubble canopy)
Mosquito FB.XVIII
DH Vampire

D-XXI
02-17-2007, 02:31 PM
Fokker D-XXI (Low countries and Finland)
Fokker C-X (Low countries and Finland)
Fokker G-I (Low countries)
Dewoitine D-520 (France)
Potez 63-11 (France)

Widowmaker214
02-17-2007, 02:32 PM
Typhoon
Sea fury
Avenger
B5N or 6N
late war spit perhaps

CD_kp84yb
02-17-2007, 02:39 PM
Tough one ,

No new planes, just new cockpits for the first generation planes (p47,il2 etc.)

Ok if you insist on planes

Bombers 4 or 2 engines, dont give a pfffft what nation, ok i prefer B17 b24 lancaster etc.
torpedoplanes again japanese and US
more ground movers
You know the type of planes where you can influence a ground battle with

Fighters ,nah not this time , we have all the types we need (except for the spit 1)

Klemm.co
02-17-2007, 02:40 PM
FW190 D-14
Spitfire MK 24
Bf109 K-14
Me-262 HG-III (you know, the really cool looking one with the cockpit in the tail)
F8F Bearcat

ForkTailedDevil
02-17-2007, 02:43 PM
All the planes I am listing would or should be flyables:

UK
Spitfire Mk.I
Sea Fury
any late model Mosquito
Hurricane MK.IIc with bomb or rocket loadouts
Blenheim Mk.I and IV
Typhooon any Mk
Meteor F.4 for a 46 plane 585mph top speed

Australia
Boomerang

France
MS.406 and 410
D.520
Potez 630

Holland
Fokker D.XXI

Germany:
Do.217 (bomber)
Bf-110C & Me.210 and Me.410 flyable

Poland:
PZL P.24 (never really saw service in Poland but Romania and Greece used them.

Italy
G.55
SM.79
Re-2000 and Re-2005
MC.200 FB for jabo missions

Japan
Ki-21
Ki-44
Ki-45
Ki-49
Ki-67
B5N2
B6N2
D4Y2

USA
P-36
P-38F & G
P-40N
P-47N
P-51H
F2G
F7F
F8F
TBF Avenger
TBD Devastator (none survived WW2 may make it hard to model AI would be ok)
SB2C Helldiver over 7,000 built sunk more axis ships than any other allied plane. Pilots hated it though.

SpartanHoplite
02-17-2007, 02:48 PM
P-51H
Typhoon
F4U-4
P-36, MS 406 and / or BF-110 cockpits.

And, any 4 engine plane would be sweet!

SH

Makabi-
02-17-2007, 03:15 PM
Short Stirling
IMAM RO.57 Bis (or Breda Ba.88)
Westland Whirlwind
Hawk-75/P-36
Fiat CR.32

preferably all of them flyable.

DeerHunterUK
02-17-2007, 04:11 PM
Boulton Paul Defiant (including an additional theoretical engine and front armament update model)
Avro Lancaster
B-24 Liberator
D.H. Vampire
Typhoon

That'd suit me for starters.

Phil_K
02-17-2007, 04:23 PM
Typhoon (The one plane this game massively misses)
Firefly
Spit XIV
P-61
B-26

heywooood
02-17-2007, 04:34 PM
what if news came down that we were going to get 5 last flyable planes, to be selected by the community - do you think we could reach a consensus?

which 5 are absolutely the most important ones that are missing? (Not that I think we should focus on whats NOT in the sim...it is an awesome piece of work as I've said many times, this is just for conversation)

(Exempt are the Fokker DXXI and the Curtiss Demon as they are said to be or rumoured to be in the next/last patch.)

or should this be a seperate topic??

russ.nl
02-17-2007, 05:50 PM
The Fokker DXXI Dutch version. Although I would settle for the Finnish version.

The Curtiss Wright 21B for the Dutch East Indies theatre. In my opinion a very pretty plane. It is in my top 3.

The Hawk 75 for the same reason as above. The Ducht East Indies.

The C-47 just because it won the war and it is a very bueatifull plane. And ofcourse resupply mission.

The catalina also a very beautifull plane and for the Dutch East Indies theatre.

And I would like the Fokker G1 incase we got the Fokker DXXI in Dutch version.

drose01
02-17-2007, 05:55 PM
F4U-4
Spit XIV
He 219
P-61
P-47N

Why do we have all of those "what if" planes when these, which saw combat, are not modelled?

VV_Holdenb
02-17-2007, 05:57 PM
Lancaster
Lancaster
Lancaster
Lancaster
Lancaster
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DHC2Pilot
02-17-2007, 06:03 PM
1.) TBD Devastator
2.) TBF/TBM Avenger
3.) SB2C Helldiver
4.) B6N
5.) Typhoon (any Mk.)

Phas3e
02-17-2007, 07:09 PM
In no order

Me410
Flyable Hs129
Typhoon or at least the boosted Tempest
Flyable Avenger
MkXIV spitfire

erco415
02-17-2007, 07:18 PM
Only five? OK,
F5U to go with the Lerche
B-26
TBD
TBF
SB2C

I can't do it!
Kate , Ki44, D21, Hampden, Wellington,
swordfish and on and on... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VF-17_BOOM
02-17-2007, 07:25 PM
Avenger
B-24
B-17
Helldiver
Avenger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Paul_K
02-17-2007, 07:28 PM
Flyable TBF
SB2C
Do17
Jill
Flyable Kate

I wouldn't have any of the big strategic bombers because the maps aren't big enough for them, and functions such as navigation, radio and flight engineer don't exist. Same goes for night fighters...no radar, no point.

Eisenfaust83
02-17-2007, 07:32 PM
P-61
Typhoon
Sea Fury
B-17
B-24

96th_Nightshifter
02-17-2007, 07:33 PM
F4U-4
Spit XIV
Bearcat
Sea Fury
Firefly

jjtasker
02-17-2007, 07:33 PM
TBD Devastator
B17G Flying Fortress
B5N2 Kate
F86F
Mig15bis

Aguila_Azteca
02-17-2007, 07:44 PM
Tojo
Me410
Early George
b17
ju192

Veltro_28
02-17-2007, 08:11 PM
Easy

-Reggiane 2000, so you can have complete Hungarian campaigns.
-B6N Tenzan, OR at least the B5N.
-Beaufort
-He-177
-Fokker DXXI


Veltro_28

TAW_Oilburner
02-17-2007, 09:12 PM
B-24
B-17
Lancaster
Avenger
IJN torp plane (can't remember the name..the one used in Pearl Harbor attack).

heywooood
02-17-2007, 09:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VF-17_BOOM:
Avenger
B-24
B-17
Helldiver
Avenger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like the way you think, Boomer.

Avenger FtW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

HarryVoyager
02-17-2007, 10:28 PM
In order of most wanted to least wanted:

TBF/TBM Avenger
Fokker 21
Hawker Typhoon
P-47N
P-51H or Tempest mk II

The P-51H and the Tempest II are nice for rounding out the '46 What If's (and far more realistic than most of them), but the Avenger, Fokker 21, and Typhoon all had very significant roles in the war. The P-47N would be nice, simply as one of the only "super planes" that served in numbers

Harry Voyager

Tater-SW-
02-17-2007, 10:46 PM
P-36/Hawk 75
PBY-5A
Ki-45
Ki-30 or 32
H6K or Do-18

FritzGryphon
02-17-2007, 11:03 PM
No uberboosted nuke machines for me.

Halifax
Bf-109B
P.7
MB.152
PZL 37

Really, I just want to see any plane that isn't a high performance late war fighter. Extra points for forgotten theatres and bombers.

Eagle_361st
02-17-2007, 11:24 PM
P-47N!!! FTW
B-17
Avenger
Lancaster
F-8F or F-7F (Tie)

In reality only number is dear to my heart, but the others I feel deserve representation in this game.

Badsight-
02-17-2007, 11:38 PM
'

Hs-129

Re2000

CW-21

Ki-44

Pe-8

.


(but mainly the Hs-129)

csThor
02-17-2007, 11:44 PM
Agreeing on five aircraft types? Not a snowball's chance in hell, not with the widely different interests of people. Anyway here's my list:

Hs-129 B (flyable)
Blenheim IV (flyable)
S.M. 79 (flyable)
P-36 / Hawk H.75 (flyable)
reworking all loadout options for historical accuracy (i.e. Panzerblitz 1 for Fw 190 F-8, loadouts for the Bf 109 F series etc)

LEBillfish
02-18-2007, 12:37 AM
Ki-44, Ki-61-Id, Ki-48, Ki-45, A5M

JG52Karaya-X
02-18-2007, 01:35 AM
P36C
Ki-44
Typhoon Mk.IB
Me410
Ki-67 Dinah

as flyables of course

Antoninus
02-18-2007, 01:36 AM
TBF Avenger
F4U-4
Barracuda
TBD Devastator
Me-410

DustyBarrels77
02-18-2007, 01:50 AM
Its more then 5 but we need them badly as flyable.

H-75/P-36
MS-406
Detowite 520
Cr-714
Spit mk1
Claude
A36/P51a 4 cannon varient
Hurricane MKD
P-38F
Avenger
Val
Cw21b
Sm71
P40 F-K
he100
me210-410
condor
b24 or b17
lancaster
he177
pe8
whirlwind
gloster meteor
f-86
mig15
and every ai that is not flyable.

Gitano1979
02-18-2007, 03:01 AM
hmmm only 5 is a hard decision... if we could get also:

1) AI only --&gt; flyable: all planes in game;

2) More loadouts and upgraded performance for all available planes;

so now i can choose 5 planes that aren't in the game as flyalbe nor AI:

SM79
P-38F-G-H
G55
Ki-44(or 45, or both...)
SB2C Helldiver

ploughman
02-18-2007, 03:14 AM
Hs 129

Spitfire MK XIV

Late War Mosquito.

Catalina.

TBF- Avenger.

jasonbirder
02-18-2007, 05:37 AM
Hs123
Hawk75
A5M
Hs129
Dewoitine D520

Would be my top 5

mautsi2
02-18-2007, 06:02 AM
Flyable of course
B-24 or B-17
P-36/Hawk 75
Fokker DXXI
Avenger
Hs-129 or the Blenheim IV

If someone could do Mod planes with old cockpits:
Tu-2,Cockpit from Pe-2/3
Hawk 75/P-36 Cockpit from P-40
Bf-110C Cockpit from G model
Su-2 Cockpit from Il-2
Il-4 Cockpit from Pe-2/3

gdfo
02-18-2007, 06:10 AM
From what I understand the game will not support a 4 engine bomber. With that in mind I would like to see some PF torp planes added, along with the Spit MK14 and the Catalina.

blairgowrie
02-18-2007, 06:10 AM
1. Spit X1V
2. Whirlwind
3. Sea Hornet
4. Typhoon
5. Lancaster

XyZspineZyX
02-18-2007, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drose01:

Why do we have all of those "what if" planes when these, which saw combat, are not modelled? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Simple. Because no one modeled them.

T_O_A_D
02-18-2007, 06:19 AM
B-17
B-24
Lancaster
Avenger
F4U-4

I've seen more than enough fanasy planes, give me the ones that fought.
I only got involved in flight sims for the History not the what if's.

notamuppet
02-18-2007, 06:36 AM
Swordfish
Kate
Avenger
Ki 46
Hs 129
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I Wish....

SeaFireLIV
02-18-2007, 06:38 AM
Not sure really.

I`d like to see the...

1. Fairey Swordfish.
2. A Carrier Sea Hurricane.
3. 2-seater trainer La-5UT
4. FW-190 dual control conversion trainer.
5. Rideable bicycles for formation traing.

ParachuteProne
02-18-2007, 07:02 AM
Swordfish
SM-79
Any french Bomber
Spit XIV / 1a
Lancaster

DO-17 as an honourable mention

Mark

Bandit.426Cdn
02-18-2007, 07:51 AM
May as well add my input on the hopeless..

Lancaster
Vampire Mk1
Meteor
Henschel HS129
Avenger

Would have rounded things off nicely in a 'must have 5' scenario.

MOH_Hirth
02-18-2007, 08:14 AM
NEW: FW
A-3 and A-7, 109K-14, Spitfire MK-I

Cockpits:
Hawk 75, Me-210, HS-120 and B-17.

ALL VERY IMPORTANT PLANES IN WW2.

quasimodo_3
02-18-2007, 08:29 AM
complete the PF theater:

Avenger and torpedo ordinance
Flyable and mountable under Betty MXY7-K1 OHKA

and for the WF as well:

B-17
Lancaster

and for a Korean theater add-on for 1946:

F-86
MIG 15

I know, its six and not five but who's counting?

Breeze147
02-18-2007, 08:35 AM
A-26 or B-26

B-24

B-17

Lancaster

F-86 for Korea add-on

Beaufort-RAF
02-18-2007, 08:59 AM
Blenheim
Beaufort
Typhoon
Swordfish
Fulmar

TAW_Oilburner
02-18-2007, 09:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gdfo:
From what I understand the game will not support a 4 engine bomber. With that in mind I would like to see some PF torp planes added, along with the Spit MK14 and the Catalina. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FYI - there are already 4 engine flyable bombers in the game (TB3 variants).

WOLFMondo
02-18-2007, 09:49 AM
Spit XIV
Dehavilland Seahornet
Typhoon
Flyable Avenger
Dehavilland Vampire

heywooood
02-18-2007, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bandit.426Cdn:
May as well add my input on the hopeless..

Lancaster
Vampire Mk1
Meteor
Henschel HS129
Avenger



Would have rounded things off nicely in a 'must have 5' scenario. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Never say never, Bandito 'cause you just never know.

...but I prefer the Hs123, its like an early Stuka but in biplane form. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Matz0r
02-18-2007, 11:32 AM
... and should Oleg listen to our collective genius the last additions to IL2 would be:


TBF Avenger: 31 votes
B-17: 17
Spitvire MkXIV: 15
Typhoon: 15
Lancaster: 13


Popular, but not making the cut:

P-36: 12
Hs-129: 12
F4U-4: 11
B-24: 10
B5N: 9

jasonbirder
02-18-2007, 11:58 AM
In an ideal world we would have the Avenger, B5N, Swordfish, SM79 etc...
But unfortunately it would also need work doing to the Ship DM and AI which is very simplistic at present...I can't see that happening at this point in the games lifecycle...

As for the B17 & B24...what maps are they playable on and what they hell are people thinking of bombing with them...the game just isn't geared up for strategic bombing particularly when Engine Management, Fuel Management and Navigation which was such an important part in flying the "heavies" is so simplified in the game...

The same applies doubly so to the Lancaster...if we can't even get the AI to switch their lights off how can we fly a night bomber...particularly when their is no Radar, Window etc

I was suprised to see so many requests for the Bearcat when the idea of "what if" planes got such a thorough slating when IL46 was announced...ditto all the votes for Sea Fury's Vampires etc...

wayno7777
02-18-2007, 12:08 PM
Me 410
B-26 Maurader
Ta 154 Moskito
Avenger
Dinah

TC_Stele
02-18-2007, 12:29 PM
Avenger (I think that was a community desire)
Helldiver (Dauntless was fun, but we could've used a little more for the Pacific)
B5N/B6N
Bearcat (C'mon we have jets now)
B-17 (one heavy bomber like this would make me happy inside)

I think its sad that other arcade games with arcadish flight models (like Pacific Storm) have all the planes we'll never fly in this sim.

Kurfurst__
02-18-2007, 12:33 PM
Spit XIV
He 177
Ju 188
Me 410
Typhoon

WOLFMondo
02-18-2007, 12:37 PM
*shocked*

StellarRat
02-18-2007, 12:38 PM
B-17 (fully flyable)
B-24 (fully flyable)
B-29 (fully flyable)
Lancaster (fully flyable)
Typhoon

Amagi
02-18-2007, 01:14 PM
Before the five planes, I'd like to have bridges with adjustable defence values, so that there is some purpose to bridge attack missions. Then I'd like at least one second-generation map for the Pacific theatre, a Slot map for preference, or Rabaul or a reworked New Guinea. The new maps are very good, and I would want to keep all of them, but the Slot would be very useful. Also, I'd like more ships- a Japanese heavy cruiser, a South Dakota class fast battleship, a Kongo classs battleship, a Japanese light cruiser and carrier. It's the only area in which CFS2 has an advantage over PF, though the models we do have are excellent. Lastly, a German armoured car so that I don't have to use PzIIs to substitute. The Soviets have four types of armoured car, the Germans none.

I've chosen planes to complete sets on the Eastern Front and in the Pacific, because there isn't a specific expansion dedicated to the Western Front, so the omission of the Typhoon, Spitfire XIV and Wellington is less acute. The maps we have aren't big enough to operate four-engined bombers, and they weren't intended for strategic bombing.

i. Hs129 as flyable- the German equivalent of the Sturmovik should be flyable, ground attack on the Eastern Front is the basis for the entire game. The Hs123 was rarer, and would be interesting rather than part of the core planeset.

ii. Do217 AI, or later versions of the JU88 and He-111. The Germans have flyable bombers for 1941-2 and jet bombers for 1944-5, but no mid-war medium bombers, another omission from the core planeset. I'm not sure that you'd want to fly 1943 Axis bomber missions even with up-engined 1943 planes, but AI planes are needed for escort or as targets.

iii. D4Y AI- the Judy was more successful than the Jill, because 1943 flak meant that slow low-level torpedo runs were not practical. The Judy still got hits, though better damage control and the limited effectiveness of bombs meant that they weren't critical. Having either plane as flyable would be a waste, but as targets they part of the core planeset for 1943 carrier battles, and it makes little sense to have Jills without Judys.

iv. Ki-45 AI- there were about 50% more of these than the Ki-44, and they are useful for both ground attack and for the Burma map that we have, whereas the Shokis were interceptors, better for home defence and the defence of the Sumatran oil facilities, which aren't on a map.

v. Ki-48 AI- a light bomber, also useful for Burma, and also common. The Sally can substitute for the Ki-49 (and was preferred to it), while we have a later Betty instead of a Ki-67 or P1Y- these would be interesting, but only useful for very late-war scenarios. A land-based Japanese light bomber is another omission from the core planeset.

Four of these planes are AI, and all are Axis ground-attack planes. I've never understood the appeal of flyable torpedo-bombers, especially with limited ship AI (the Avenger was more successful as a light bomber), because the planes are too vulnerable to fighters and flak. That also applies to late-war Axis ground-attack, hence the preference for AI.

Xiolablu3
02-18-2007, 02:18 PM
Typhoon
Me410
US/Jap Torp bombers
Spitfire XIV
FW190 A3


Henschel (EDIT:Hs129 I see fom post above) unflyable one with big AT gun on it, I forget the name, would be a gret addition too. I already love the Me110 with 37mm gun.

Typhoon is a real glaring ommision for 1941-43 scenarios. Would be great for West front missions. A kind of Fw190 Jabo for the British. I understand it was a bit of a pig, but would be a greta ddition none-the-less.

COmplete with pilot passing out when fumes get into the cockpit and tail falling off when you go too fast. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ericson
02-18-2007, 02:29 PM
D21
Defiant
Fairey Fulmar
D520
CA-13 Boomerang

KIMURA
02-18-2007, 02:38 PM
F4U-4
TBF-1C
B5N
Ki-44
Ki-45 or Ki-46

zoomar
02-18-2007, 03:17 PM
Flyable:

J7W Shinden
B5N "Kate"
TBF Avenger
Hs129
Me410

AI:

Do 217
Wellington or Stirling
Lancaster or Hallifax
Sm79
Hs123

"1946-ish" fantasy planes I'd love to see in this game"

B-32
B-36
B-35
P-82 (flyable)
F7F Tigercat (Flyable)

drapis
02-18-2007, 03:18 PM
I have a dream ...

1. Avia B.534 (fingers crossed for the last patch. OK, I'm Czech http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif - and it actually fought on the Eastern front)
2. Henschel 123 (another crappy biplane, YES...)
3. Sea Hurricane (since we have the Norway map, convoys to Russia ...)
4. Swordfish(Mediterranean)
5. Fairey Fulmar (Mediterranean)

Well, I just REALLY hope that BoB will go on with some kind of Mediterranean theatre of operation sim ...

JSG72
02-18-2007, 03:30 PM
1.Spitfire MKXIV
2.ME 410
3.Lancaster.1
4.B26 Marauder
5.JU.88 G

Bandit.426Cdn
02-18-2007, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasonbirder:

As for the B17 & B24...what maps are they playable on and what they hell are people thinking of bombing with them...the game just isn't geared up for strategic bombing particularly when Engine Management, Fuel Management and Navigation which was such an important part in flying the "heavies" is so simplified in the game...

The same applies doubly so to the Lancaster...if we can't even get the AI to switch their lights off how can we fly a night bomber...particularly when their is no Radar, Window etc
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Airstart capability online/offline exists, and there are Bomber types out there who'd love to give 'em a whirl, but are frankly bored to tears with the TB-3 variants, myself included ..

Engine management in this sim in any aircraft, is hardly it's strong suit..

A certain suspension of disbelief, and the perverse satisfaction of being able to carpet bomb the opposition's base after their superior combat techniques have been well proven, is all that is needed to justify their use in the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasonbirder:

I was suprised to see so many requests for the Bearcat when the idea of "what if" planes got such a thorough slating when IL46 was announced...ditto all the votes for Sea Fury's Vampires etc... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that the cat has been let out of the bag, so to speak, a lot of people do enjoy the what-if 1946 type scenario.. the only problem is, it's lopsided to the detriment of the allies. The Germans and the Russians get all the neat toys.. my personal choice for these for inclusion in an add-on, is to balance things out for the sim overall, as it stands. Before 1946 came out, i'd be heavier on 'not 1946' aircraft to round things out.

It's all theoretical, of course.

Old_Canuck
02-18-2007, 10:32 PM
In order of preference:

1. flyable B-24;
2. flyable B-29;
3. flyable PBY Cat;
4. flyable Storch;
5. flyable B-17.

TheGozr
02-19-2007, 12:29 AM
French planes period.

christopher65
02-19-2007, 01:10 AM
Only 5??? Difficult one......me thinks

Hampden
Fairey Swordfish
Halifax
Lancaster
Stirling
Do17z
....oops I could go on and on!!

Even if in the last patch all previously unreleased aircraft were AI I would be a happy bunny indeed.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Vipez-
02-19-2007, 01:15 AM
- He 177 Greif
- DB3/IL-4
- SB-3
- JU-188
- Hs129 (!)

WOLFMondo
02-19-2007, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bandit.426Cdn:


Now that the cat has been let out of the bag, so to speak, a lot of people do enjoy the what-if 1946 type scenario.. the only problem is, it's lopsided to the detriment of the allies. The Germans and the Russians get all the neat toys.. my personal choice for these for inclusion in an add-on, is to balance things out for the sim overall, as it stands. Before 1946 came out, i'd be heavier on 'not 1946' aircraft to round things out.

It's all theoretical, of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im pretty sure that the Soviets were on the allies side as well.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We forget that IL246 was originally for a Russian release only, hence the choice of aircraft.

I can't disagree about having more western allied fighters added into it though had they more time or money. Most of the VVS jets were using British engines after all!!

Rickustyit
02-19-2007, 02:10 AM
1) S.M. 79 "Hunchback" ,finally an Italian bomber, so the Italian line-up could end up there, and there was a 3d model somewhere long time ago. (even if I would love to see a Cant Z.1007,)

2) Morane Saulnier 406 , so the French could have one of their planes modeled

3) Dornier 17

4) PZL 24 (don't laugh, it would be great for the Greeks Air Force and great to simulate the air war over Greece-Albania)

5) Lancaster, great airplane

Cheers
Rick

http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/MC205-001.jpg

Mysticpuma2003
02-19-2007, 02:22 AM
Flyable B-17
Flyable B-24
Typhoon
Hurricane with Tank Busting 4x Canon
P47-N with proper loadouts

Nice thread, gives hope to the masses, which will eventually be quashed when they don't appear...ah well, cheers, MP.

leitmotiv
02-19-2007, 02:23 AM
All flyable:

B5N2, TBD, TBF-1, D.XXI, I-16 Type 10

partic_3
02-19-2007, 02:36 AM
TBF Avenger

Hs-129 B

P-36 / Hawk H.75

Detowite 520

DO-17

I'd also like a pony.
No, not the silly mustang but a svelt attractive she-pony.

rugame
02-19-2007, 03:04 AM
Typhoon
B17
Ki45
He117
me410

BGs_Ricky
02-19-2007, 03:08 AM
Flyable:

Hs-129
Bf-110 C-4
H-75
M.S.406
Early P-38

Blottogg
02-19-2007, 03:13 AM
1. Helldiver (It's needed to populate the Essex flight deck, since SBD's just don't fit over Kyushu. Ai's fine for me though, since I'd probably fly it as much as I fly the SBD.)

2. TBD (It's needed for Coral Sea and Midway, though again Ai is fine. The Avenger is a poor substitute.)

3. He 177 (It played a big part on the eastern front once the kinks got worked out, and as others have said, bridges the gap between the Ju-88/He-111, and the Ar 234.)

4. P-36/H-75 cockpit(s) (For the numbers produced, this thing saw a lot of action in the early war, on a number of fronts, and is the first one on my list that I'd like to fly, and not just shoot at.)

5. a toss-up between the Ju 86 (A high altitude recce plane that complements the Fw 189. It would also give the MiG-3's something to chase in their element, instead of slogging through low altitude fighting.) and the Do 17/217 (Noticeable in its absence, though its role is covered by the Ju 88 and He 111.)

I know there's a group longing to fly torpedo bombers and four-engined bombers, but I think I'd give that up after five minutes. Both were more difficult missions than flying fighters IMO, and I probably wouldn't have volunteered for either. Nothing personal to those that would, just not my cuppa.

The late war planes are interesting, but I suspect mostly for the on-line crowd. The game engine doesn't handle them particularly well, and we're not likely to get applicable maps to fly them over, so I'll leave these for my BoB:SoW follow-on wish list for the 44-46 timeframe:

-Spitfire XIV
-Hornet/Sea Hornet (I still remember the first time I saw this in a magazine article in 1972. A very neat looking aircraft.)
-F7F (Same general mission as the Sea Hornet, but with a very different style of execution.)
-F8F
-P-51H
-Shinden
-Kikki
-Vampire (Tiny, well armed, quick and maneuverable. This one would be a kick to fly.)
-Meteor (Probably not as much fun, but noteable by its current absence nonetheless.)
-Sea Fury (the RN got off to a slow start, but they eventually got some really neat aircraft.)
-B-26 (Widely used throughout most of the war, in both theaters. It's not higher on my list because the B-25 can stand in to fill the gap, if sometimes ahistorically.)
-A-26 (A late-war attack plane who's model could be reused in Korea and Vietnam with minor tweaking.)

French, British and Italian WWII planes weren't represented evenly or completely in Il-2, given the focus on the eastern front (and to a lesser extent the Pacific.) Without listing the one's I'd like to see in a follow-on, I hope the rumors of Mediterranean and French campaign additions to the SoW series will fill out the aircraft list for these countries.

OD_79
02-19-2007, 04:11 AM
First and foremost

Hawker Typhoon Mk Ib
Spitfire Mk XIV
Fairey Swordfish

Grumman Avenger
B5N1 'Kate'

Gloster Meteor (as a backup)

They must ALL be flyable. I would also address the rear view in the Tempest - so you could actually see something behind you.

Otherwise just to be different I would like:
Bristol Blenheim BMk.IV
Westland Whirlwind
Short Sunderland
Ki-46 'Dinah'
Spitfire Mk XII - Griffon engine for low level ops.
A Seafire with decent performance!

I don't think we are really missing any American aircraft - apart from the B-26, some people say the F4U4 - but on the same basis we are missing the Spifire MKXIV, the Typhoon, the Whirlwind, The Avro Manchester, Handley Page Hampden, Vickers Wellington - even as AI aircraft - I hope they are in BoB in some form because they are essential - BoB was more than just Fighter Command - though they obviously dominated!

OD.

hotspace
02-19-2007, 04:17 AM
Spit XIV
Me-410
Typhoon
B-26
A-26

ImpStarDuece
02-19-2007, 04:25 AM
1. Typhoon in the following variants:
A) Mk IA with Sabre II @ +6lbs and car door type cockpit 1942
B) Mk IB with Sabre II @ +6lbs and 'clear view' canopy and mast type aerial 1942-1943
C) Mk IB with Sabre II @ +7lbs and bubble top canopy with whip aerial 1943-1944
D Mk IB with Sabre IIB @ +9 lbs and bubble top canopy with 4 bladed prop and Tempest type tailplane

2. Spitfire Mk XIV in the following variants:
A) F. Mk XIVc
B) F. Mk XIVe with bubble top
C) FR. Mk XIVe

3) Mosquito MK XVI with and without bulged belly

4) Westland Whirlwind

5) Hs 129

WOLFMondo
02-19-2007, 04:42 AM
Looks like an overwhelming concensus that the Typhoon should have been in this sim!!

jarink
02-19-2007, 10:03 AM
This will probably surpise a lot of people, but I don't want a flyable B-17, B-24 or B-29. The IL2 engine just isn't up to the task of properly representing the heavies. I'd much rather see a well-done B-17 than a half-***ed job forced to fit into the limitations of this game. Maybe SoW will finally allow the heavies.

My list of 5 (all flyable):
Spitfire XIV
Hs-129
B-26 Marauder
Ki-44
Sm-79 (What's the fun in having Italian fighters if there's no bombers?)

Honorable mention:
Swordfish (I'd like more torp planes, but torpedo performance and ship damage models are so simplfied it's almost not worth it)
TBD (ditto)
Typhoon

Please, NO MORE FANTASY PLANES!!!

NSAdonis85
02-19-2007, 10:31 AM
- Blohm & Voss BV141
- B-26
- He-177
- Me-210/410
- Bachem Be-349 ("fantasy " whiners, take note: this one ACTUALLY FLEW in 1944!)
- 4 engined Ar-234
- Lancaster
- Swordfish
- Schräge Musik for Bf-110
- Meteor
- Vampire
- Fairey Swordfish
- Me-262A-1b, A-1a/U1, B-1

Malekith2003
02-19-2007, 10:38 AM
1. Vampire (strangely absent given the other jets on offer)
2. Meteor (very mysteriously AWOL)
3. Typhoon (mud moving and tank chewing excellence)
4. P-36 (would be nice for Finland)
5. Fokker DXXI (as above)

Definitely no more "scribbled on the back of a *** packet in the Fuhrerbunker" flights of Luftwaffe fancy. We have enough of those.
Is there a conspiracy against British planes? I suppose I'll have to wait for SoW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Brain32
02-19-2007, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Looks like an overwhelming concensus that the Typhoon should have been in this sim!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No doubt about it, but unfortunetly we can only http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif
Ah well there's always SoW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rickustyit
02-19-2007, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickustyit:
1) S.M. 79 "Hunchback" ,finally an Italian bomber, so the Italian line-up could end up there, and there was a 3d model somewhere long time ago. (even if I would love to see a Cant Z.1007,)

2) Morane Saulnier 406 , so the French could have one of their planes modeled

3) Dornier 17

4) PZL 24 (don't laugh, it would be great for the Greeks Air Force and great to simulate the air war over Greece-Albania)

5) Lancaster, great airplane

Cheers
Rick

http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/MC205-001.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand corrected there: replace the Lanc with the Swordfish... Now that's a great plane...

It's nice to dream, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cheers
Rick

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StellarRat
02-19-2007, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasonbirder:
As for the B17 & B24...what maps are they playable on and what they hell are people thinking of bombing with them...the game just isn't geared up for strategic bombing particularly when Engine Management, Fuel Management and Navigation which was such an important part in flying the "heavies" is so simplified in the game...

The same applies doubly so to the Lancaster...if we can't even get the AI to switch their lights off how can we fly a night bomber...particularly when their is no Radar, Window etc </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If a higher air start was added to the game in addition to these flyable heavies it would be quite possible to simulate the run into the target and the egress. I don't see any reason why we need to fly the entire eight hour mission. Even the mediums we have now have far more range than the maps have. It's the fighting part that people want. If I wanted to spend all day navigating and flying to Germany from England I'd get MS FS instead.

msalama
02-19-2007, 11:56 AM
He-219
Martin B-26 Marauder

+

the usual heavies if the maps were big enough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rickustyit
02-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Look here:SM79 in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cl69qp5O78&mode=related&search=)

One of the most loved airplane in the Regia Aeronautica.

Cheers,
Rick

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jasonbirder
02-19-2007, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If a higher air start was added to the game in addition to these flyable heavies it would be quite possible to simulate the run into the target and the egress. I don't see any reason why we need to fly the entire eight hour mission. Even the mediums we have now have far more range than the maps have. It's the fighting part that people want. If I wanted to spend all day navigating and flying to Germany from England I'd get MS FS instead. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In many ways MS FS would be a better simulation of the 4 Engined Heavies anyway...the whole point of flying them would be navigation, formation flying, fuel management and systems procedures for dealing with battle damage.

Surely even in the target area the only flying required is to stay in formation and fly as straight and level and at as steady a speed as possible from the IP, and besides when it comes to bombing the bombsight in FB/AEP/PF is pretty generic and vastly simplified anyway.

Its not even as if there are any targets for the 4 engined heavies...the game engine doesn't really model damage to factories, warehouses or urban areas and they were never really operationally used to bomb airfields, bridges or troop/vehicle concentrations...

I guess that modelling the Heavy Bombers is a hell of a lot of work for something that can't be used in the game in anything like a historically accurate way.

I suppose that there would be a bit of fun when they came out, initially using them online at unrealistically low altitudes as super-vulchers bombing enemy airfields and also to blast away wih the gun turrets at enemy fighters...but i'm sure the novelty would soon fade.

Marcel_Albert
02-19-2007, 07:01 PM
Good to see that the Avenger flyable is one of the most quoted request , perhaps it might be heard http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

StellarRat
02-19-2007, 07:12 PM
The Frankfurt map would be an excellent target. If I remember correctly there is also a Berlin map.

Also, heavies were used to bomb ground forces, ala D-Day, Operation Cobra and others... If you follow the logic you are presenting what is the point of the medium bombers, the high alt. fighters (ME-262, ME-163), etc...? Many of the planes on the German side were used exclusively to attack heavy bombers. Also, you are missing the important point that without high altitude targets many of the planes online are used in a totally unhistoric mannner. The Germans have no reason to fly high to meet the Allied bombers because there aren't any! And the Allied planes, many of which were designed for high alt combat, are not used at the correct altitude because there is no one flying that high. Also, without a high altitude air start even the medium bombers are seldom used in an historic manner.

Badsight-
02-19-2007, 09:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Looks like an overwhelming concensus that the Typhoon should have been in this sim!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>more people , people with actual taste , are saying the Henschel :P

& stuff the pos 4 engine bombers , they will forever remain only good for points
(bar the Pe-8 for obscurity reasons)

& double stuff the extra doubly pos english meteor . its a suck plane , deal with it

Scharnhorst1943
02-20-2007, 01:12 AM
Helldiver - flyable
Jill - flyable
Kate - flyable
Avenger - flyable

for 1946

bell p-69
tigercat
bearcat
f4UG
Shindin

Xiolablu3
02-20-2007, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Looks like an overwhelming concensus that the Typhoon should have been in this sim!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>more people , people with actual taste , are saying the Henschel :P

& stuff the pos 4 engine bombers , they will forever remain only good for points
(bar the Pe-8 for obscurity reasons)

& double stuff the extra doubly pos english meteor . its a suck plane , deal with it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Henschel sucks big donkey balls, just like you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

If a Meteor and a Henschel 129 met, do you really think that the 'sucky' Meteor would lose the fight?

How about the Typhoon and He129 meet?

Seems like the He129 is the 'sucky plane'

I would rather be in a Typhoon or Meteor x10 than a He129 in WW2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Top speed of 520mph in late 1944 when everyone else bar the Germans were flying prop planes at just over 450 mph top speed (IN PRODUCTION and delivered to the air force in numbers). YOu can hardly call that sucky.

The Meteor set a world speed record of 975 KPH (606 MPH) on 7 November 1945

WHat a suck plane... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Marcel_Albert
02-20-2007, 02:05 AM
I didn't know about Bell building the P-69 Scharnhorst1943 , never heard about .

Perhaps you mean the Bell P-59 Airacomet prototype , the first American Jet a/c that flew in October 1942 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HellToupee
02-20-2007, 02:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
]more people , people with actual taste , are saying the Henschel :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Henschel a slow overweight underpowered target drone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif free points.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
& double stuff the extra doubly pos english meteor . its a suck plane , deal with it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

f3 wasnt so bad it was the one that saw the most use in ww2, f4 was good, yet still its only allied jet to enter service in ww2.

winsemius
02-20-2007, 02:16 AM
I don't care about NUMBERS

Just give me that flyable B-17 once and for all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Badsight-
02-20-2007, 02:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
The Meteor set a world speed record of 975 KPH (606 MPH) on 7 November 1945 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>lol

jet_nut
02-20-2007, 02:30 AM
The Gloster meteor
The deHavilland Vampire
The TBM Avenger
The PBY Catalina
What i dont get i the fact that they included planes that did not see combat, but the meteor actively engaged in combat and the vampire was late

Capt.LoneRanger
02-20-2007, 02:57 AM
flyable:
early B17
B17G
Avro Lancaster
Do17
Avenger

evildeathmo1989
02-20-2007, 05:10 AM
the fokker g1
holland now only has that dumb buffalo piece of ****.

Breeze147
02-20-2007, 05:55 AM
I have narrowed my choices:

B-26 (please, oh please)

DO-17

Scharnhorst1943
02-20-2007, 08:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:
I didn't know about Bell building the P-69 Scharnhorst1943 , never heard about .

Perhaps you mean the Bell P-59 Airacomet prototype , the first American Jet a/c that flew in October 1942 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OOPPPSSS!!!

Yeah, I mean that one, sorry. However I would gladly give up all the 1946 stuff (as good as it is) for the four above that ...

Marcel_Albert
02-20-2007, 08:22 AM
me too ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JerryFodder
02-20-2007, 09:28 AM
Lancaster
Typhoon
Spit XII + (Griffon engines)
Halifax
Decent model of Mosquito, not the 1942 slow thing we already have.

All fought long term, all were significant. When I see members asking for stuff like Bearcats I know that their side has been spoilt for aircraft already!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

JerryFodder
02-20-2007, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jet_nut:
The Gloster meteor
The deHavilland Vampire
The TBM Avenger
The PBY Catalina
What i dont get i the fact that they included planes that did not see combat, but the meteor actively engaged in combat and the vampire was late </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it didn't - the war was virtually won by that point, not much Luftwaffe left to fight and they didn't want to risk it falling into Russian hands so it was kept well behind ally lines while they trained up pilots in it.

Brain32
02-20-2007, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JerryFodder:
All fought long term, all were significant. When I see members asking for stuff like Bearcats I know that their side has been spoilt for aircraft already!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Although your other choices are very cool, if you want to b1tch about spoilt sides, keep in mind that SpitMkXII is also an exotic - total of 100 built http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Box-weasel
02-20-2007, 09:34 AM
http://gvtc.com/~thh/untitled.JPG

dauntlessdave
02-20-2007, 09:52 AM
Avenger and B5N: they were involved in so many big battles, its weird they are not already fully in.
Swordfish, SM79, Fulmar, Skua : Hell, lets have a mediteranean expansion pack!
JU-88: I think its been said that this plane was the single mostmodified type of the war and we only have 1?!?!?

ps Fokker D.XXI: I just love those early types.
Ok, thats more than 5.

JerryFodder
02-20-2007, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TAW_Oilburner:

IJN torp plane (can't remember the name..the one used in Pearl Harbor attack). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


D3A Val wasn't it?

JerryFodder
02-20-2007, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JerryFodder:
All fought long term, all were significant. When I see members asking for stuff like Bearcats I know that their side has been spoilt for aircraft already!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Although your other choices are very cool, if you want to b1tch about spoilt sides, keep in mind that SpitMkXII is also an exotic - total of 100 built http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said "XII +" that means anything Griffon powered. Most want the XIV, that's cool with me.

I'm in it for the history and what fought, not this fictional fairytale rubbish leading onto Korea nonsense. The list of aircraft THAT FOUGHT IN NUMBERS for the RAF that are not even AI in this sim is astonishing - even the Italians are better covered for what they produced!

JG53Frankyboy
02-20-2007, 10:22 AM
my top three would be:

cockpits for the Avengers, B5N - to give the carrier forces something to deal with.
the Kate was used in 4 of the 5 PTO carrierbattles of the whole WW2.
the Avenger was used first in Midway, even landbased - but than also took part on 2 of the 1942 carrierbattles. and sure at the 5th in 1944.


these two are rearly missing in the planeset.

the third one would be the flyable P-36/Hawk75 .
so much in use on so different fronts:
French at Normandie map
Vichyfrench at one of the NA maps
US at Hawaii
Finnish at the Leningrad map
British at the Burma map


than there are so much more, already mentioned ones, i could not make a choice - but my mentioned three , i realy miss in building campaigns and missions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

jasonbirder
02-20-2007, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Frankfurt map would be an excellent target. If I remember correctly there is also a Berlin map.

Also, heavies were used to bomb ground forces, ala D-Day, Operation Cobra and others... If you follow the logic you are presenting what is the point of the medium bombers, the high alt. fighters (ME-262, ME-163), etc...? Many of the planes on the German side were used exclusively to attack heavy bombers. Also, you are missing the important point that without high altitude targets many of the planes online are used in a totally unhistoric mannner. The Germans have no reason to fly high to meet the Allied bombers because there aren't any! And the Allied planes, many of which were designed for high alt combat, are not used at the correct altitude because there is no one flying that high. Also, without a high altitude air start even the medium bombers are seldom used in an historic manner. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't get me wrong - I would love to see a Night Bombing Campaign sim...but the game as it is doesn't lend itself very well to the addition of the 4 Engine Bombers as flyable palnes...particularly when you factor in the fact that each is much more work than a single crewstation plane....
All of the Allied 4 Engine Day Bombers are in the game as AI planes so are there as targets fo the German & Japanese Bomber Interceptors who can realistically fly against themand their escorts on the maps you mention...their is nothing to prevent their use in exactly that fashion in an online co-op either for those that don't enjoy offline flying.
But as the challange of flying a four engine bomber was primarily formation flying, navigation, battling and reading the weather, fuel management and systems management/procedures when you suffered damage...the FB/AEP/PF game engine is just too vastly simplified to represent it in any reasonably accurate way. When you factor in the small maps, the simplified bombsights, the fact that their are no targets for the "heavies" (Yes they were occasionally used to carpet bomb ahead of a small number of Allied ground operations...but we are talking very rare exceptions rather than common occurance) and it looks like an unecessary diversion of effort for very little return...
No-one has actually explained to me what they would do with them if they got a flyable "heavy" thats something i'd be very interested to hear about...

WWSpinDry
02-20-2007, 12:23 PM
Five Invader variants to play with:
A-26B (especially A-26B-60-DL)
A-26C
A-26D (assuming it went operational)
A-26G ( " " " " )
JD-1 (with torpedo mod)

Marcel_Albert
02-20-2007, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
my top three would be:

cockpits for the Avengers, B5N - to give the carrier forces something to deal with.
the Kate was used in 4 of the 5 PTO carrierbattles of the whole WW2.
the Avenger was used first in Midway, even landbased - but than also took part on 2 of the 1942 carrierbattles. and sure at the 5th in 1944.


these two are rearly missing in the planeset.

the third one would be the flyable P-36/Hawk75 .
so much in use on so different fronts:
French at Normandie map
Vichyfrench at one of the NA maps
US at Hawaii
Finnish at the Leningrad map
British at the Burma map


than there are so much more, already mentioned ones, i could not make a choice - but my mentioned three , i realy miss in building campaigns and missions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good post , fully agree , i really hope Il-2 won't stop with BoB , Il-2 is 5 years ahead in term of development , and Sow:BoB will feature only a few aircrafts , in IL-2 we already have more than 150 flyable , that is the strong point of Il-2 .
Maybe some devs can buy back the right from Maddox Games to release future add-ons on Il-2 1946 with new planes , cockpits and perhaps maps , i don't know , just a dream , anyhow it would be a pity if Il-2 project dies with BoB .

jarink
02-20-2007, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JerryFodder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jet_nut:
The Gloster meteor
The deHavilland Vampire
The TBM Avenger
The PBY Catalina
What i dont get i the fact that they included planes that did not see combat, but the meteor actively engaged in combat and the vampire was late </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it didn't - the war was virtually won by that point, not much Luftwaffe left to fight and they didn't want to risk it falling into Russian hands so it was kept well behind ally lines while they trained up pilots in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Meteor most certainly served in combat - it was used for shooting down V-1s since it was one of the few Allied a/c capable of catching the buzz bombs. I think it was a far better use of the plane since the fontline Spits and Tempests were a match for anything in the Luftwaffe inventory besides the Me-262. As good as they were, there just were never enough 262s (or pilots or fuel) for them to make a difference.

wayno7777
02-20-2007, 08:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wayno7777:
Me 410
B-26 Maurader
Ta 154 Moskito
Avenger
Dinah </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I must have been daydreaming.
He-219 Duh!!!

tigertalon
02-20-2007, 08:35 PM
Do-17
Typhoon
Ki-44
B-26
D4Y

heywooood
02-20-2007, 09:27 PM
(quote Marcel Albert

...in IL-2 we already have more than 150 flyable , that is the strong point of Il-2 .
Maybe some devs can buy back the right from Maddox Games to release future add-ons on Il-2 1946 with new planes , cockpits and perhaps maps , i don't know , just a dream , anyhow it would be a pity if Il-2 project dies with BoB .[/QUOTE]


I really want to take this opportunity to vehemently agree 100 percent with this particular statement/assessment

Dagnabit
02-20-2007, 09:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Avenger
B5N
Flyable B-17
F-86
Mig-15

...and I know you said 5 but..
Bearcat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Good choices Bearcat. With these, and some of the other aircraft already available, as well as maps and custom skins etc. we could do the Korean War too...Would need a few other details like rockets on the P-51 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My choices

Avenger
Typhoon
Catalina
F-86
B-17

I would also be very pleased with ANY 5 planes that flew

woofiedog
02-21-2007, 03:14 AM
Uhmmmm... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Me 410... flyable
B-26 Maurader
Avenger... flyable
He-219
He 177 Greif

And have to add... any of the 1940 French fighter's or bomber's.

Moka.21
02-21-2007, 04:57 AM
Fokker CX
Polikarpov I-15bis
Curtiss Hawk 75A
Westand Lysander MkI
MiG-1

The-Pizza-Man
02-21-2007, 05:00 AM
Whirlwind
Boomerang
Typhoon
Firefly
Spit XIV

EiZ0N
02-21-2007, 07:15 AM
B17 flyable
Boosted Tempest (and otherwise improved)

That's all I really care about.

Throw in a Eurofighter for good measure!

bhunter2112
02-21-2007, 11:56 AM
177 Greif
210/410
Kikka
Avenger/torp
Maybe that Fokker thing that guy whines about

ComradeBadinov
02-21-2007, 05:13 PM
A-26 Invader
B-26 Maurader
Mk.XIV Spitfire
Avenger
Kate

ElAurens
02-21-2007, 06:36 PM
Flyable:

H8K "Emily"
B5N "Kate"
SB2C "Helldiver"
P36/Hawk 75
TBD Devastator

And I'd go to bat for a sixth...

Curtiss 68C Hawk Type III

http://vintage-aviation.hp.infoseek.co.jp/us_curtiss-hawk-iii_1933.jpg

nyalex09
02-23-2007, 02:18 PM
Re 2000 / Heja
FW 189
Fokker G.1 Mercury
P-36 / Hawk 75
Dewoitine 520

Getting flyable bombers would be great too: B-17, 24, 25, 26, Lanc, Halifax, Manchester etc

THC92
03-01-2007, 08:22 AM
Typhoon (definitively)
Dewoitine 520
MS 406
Bloch 152
Curtiss H.75

And Breguet 693 ...

CMHQ_Rikimaru
03-01-2007, 10:55 AM
FlyABLE:
-FW190A4
-FW190A5
-FW190A6
-FW190A8
-FW190A9

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WWMaxGunz
03-01-2007, 11:19 AM
Nieuport 24
SPAD VII
SE5a
Albatross DVa
Fokker DrI

arrowtalon
03-01-2007, 11:38 AM
TBF Avenger
Meteor
Hawker Typhoon
Spitfire Mk 1a
B-26 Marauder

biggs222
03-01-2007, 11:44 AM
1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Biggs222/spits/mkXIV3.jpg
2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Biggs222/spits/mkXIV2.jpg
3.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Biggs222/spits/mkXIV5.jpg
4.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Biggs222/spits/mkXIV4.jpg
5.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Biggs222/spits/mkXIV.jpg

JSG72
03-01-2007, 04:02 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!

biggs222

Got Track?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We need this plane Noooooooo. doubt about it.!!

JG6_Oddball
03-01-2007, 04:25 PM
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hofstra/heinkel/ (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ehofstra/heinkel/) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

S!

RegRag1977
03-01-2007, 06:09 PM
All flyables:

Typhoon early mark (the beautiful one, please no horrible bubble canopy if possible)
KI44 Shoki
Me210/410
Dewoitine D520

and Arado 196!

XPCorba
07-27-2007, 01:47 PM
B17 - bomber
Dewoitine 520
morane 406
hawk 75
Fairey Fulmar

msalama
07-27-2007, 01:54 PM
Hmmm... as flyable I take it?

1) Douglas C-47 Skytrain
2) Martin B-26 Marauder
3) Douglas A-26 Invader
4) Focke-Wulf FW-189
5) Heinkel He-219 Uhu (no use in this context though, I admit)

faustnik
07-27-2007, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RegRag1977:
All flyables:

Typhoon early mark (the beautiful one, please no horrible bubble canopy if possible)
KI44 Shoki
Me210/410
Dewoitine D520

and Arado 196! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a nice list!!!!!!

I'd sub the Hs-129 for the Arado though.

msalama
07-27-2007, 02:00 PM
OK, make it six or strike the Gooney Bird, whatever. Why the hell exactly isn't the Henschel Hs 129 flyable here???

Stew278
07-27-2007, 02:08 PM
F8F
F7F
Meteor
B5N
Hs129

Avont29
07-27-2007, 02:38 PM
F8F Bearcat
F4U-4
German messchersmitch, or whatever i know its like Me-something, its inWOV:BOB too

TBM-Avenger(flyable)
Northrop XP-56 "Black Bullet" OR F7F tigercat

Daisan1981
07-27-2007, 04:01 PM
FW 187 (with DB600A or DB601A)
http://airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/fw187/fw187-1.jpg
http://airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/fw187/fw187-2.jpg
http://airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/fw187/fw187-4.jpg
http://airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/fw187/fw187-9.jpg

zardozid
07-27-2007, 05:02 PM
Off the top of my head...

1)Me210

2)Kawasaki Ki-102 (1946)

3)Ki-61-II KAIb

4)B17

5)H8K2

R_Target
07-27-2007, 06:03 PM
I think I already replied once in this thread, but what the heck.....

Ki-87
F7F Tigercat
Sea Fury
F8F Bearcat
Ryan Fireball

mortoma
07-27-2007, 06:12 PM
P-38E or F
KI-44
P-36
Spit Mk. XIV
Fokker D.XXI, or whatever they call that thing.

danjama
07-27-2007, 06:42 PM
ok

Bearcat
Lancaster any mk
B17 any mk but i like F's
Typhoon
Spit mk14

or any early P38

Copperhead310th
07-27-2007, 06:54 PM
All Flyables:

UASSAF:
P-47M
P-47-N
P-61
b-24
b-17

totalspoon
07-27-2007, 07:12 PM
My picks...

Spitfire XIV
Typhoon IB
Me410
Lancaster
Ju388

http://www.ams.vr.it/Attivit%E0/Arsenale2002/Arsenale_premiati_2002/A%20-%20Junkers%20Ju%20388%20L1%20-%20Andrea%20Vignocchi%20-%20Club%20Drive%20&%20Fly,%20Modena%20-%20658.jpg

Totalspoon

jensenpark
07-27-2007, 07:18 PM
Lancaster
Swordfish
B17
Typhoon
SeaFury (ok, I know it's post-war - but it almost made it)

jimDG
07-27-2007, 07:49 PM
Dewoitine D. 510
MS 410
P-36
Whirlwind
Mustang IA (4x20mm version of A-36)

The first three are there so that we can have some realistic French '41 maps and campaigns.

slo_1_2_3
07-27-2007, 07:53 PM
b-17

pb-n

tbm avenger

b5-n2

and I think a
t-6 texan or a tiger moth ,a two seater to train in, and I think a dc-3 would be great

claypidgon
07-27-2007, 07:53 PM
B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17
B17
B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17 B17

crucislancer
07-27-2007, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jensenpark:
Lancaster
Swordfish
B17
Typhoon
SeaFury (ok, I know it's post-war - but it almost made it) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This would be my list as well, though I would take a F8F over the B-17.

And the SeaFury would totally qualify. Hell, they put post war planes in the game already. And I'd love to see how the SeaFury flies.

ake109
07-27-2007, 10:22 PM
Avenger
B6N
Me-262 with HeS011 Engines
B-17
J7W

oh, and swap the Lerche for the B-29!

JadehawkII
07-27-2007, 10:44 PM
In order...
Mk XIV Spitfire
P-47N
F8F Bearcat
Avenger
Helldiver
Ki-44
Ki-61 II
Kate
He-100

pilot_p-38
07-27-2007, 11:11 PM
Grumman TBF Avenger
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
Vought F4U-4
Consolidated PBY-5 Catalina
Lockheed P-38M Lightning (and have active the other seat)

zardozid
07-28-2007, 12:15 AM
The B17 and the Lancaster would be cool...

Antoninus
07-28-2007, 02:07 AM
Avenger
Barracuda
F4U-4
Helldiver
Ar-196
Fi-156

Vipez-
07-28-2007, 03:29 AM
I really don't get why people prefer these late-war/post war über planes.. I'd rather have planes, that had significant roles such as:

HS-129
SB-2/SB-3
DB-3/IL-4
R-10 (now this would be interesting to fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )
DO-217/Do-17
Spitfire XIV

danjama
07-28-2007, 03:46 AM
Oops i forgot as well as a B17 and Lanc a Lib would be just as cool, impecably modelled from nose to tail!

Feathered_IV
07-28-2007, 03:55 AM
Lockheed Hudson
Mitsubishi A5M4
Curtiss CW-21
Boomerang
Henschel Hs129

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

n00bd00d
07-28-2007, 04:39 AM
-Spitfire XIV
-B17
-Lancaster
-Swordfish

And since we're already into what-ifs

-FFVS J21

Heliopause
07-28-2007, 04:50 AM
Fokker D-XXI
Fokker G 1
Me 109 E-3
Gloster Meteor Mk III
Martin Baker MB 5

flyingloon
07-28-2007, 05:21 AM
Spitfire Mk XIV
Meteor F4
F7F Tigercat
Ta 154
Ki 44 IIc

huggy87
07-28-2007, 09:10 AM
The correct answer:

Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk XIV
Avenger
Helldiver
F8F Bearcat

bmoffa
07-28-2007, 10:01 AM
I know it would be the wrong war, but I would love to have both the F86 and the Mig 15. To me those were the last of the real dog fighers. They were still using guns on each other with no hi-tech electronics. You had to get up close to make the kill. Yes, the F86's did have radar ranging sights, but they weren't all that sophisticated.

horseback
07-28-2007, 10:26 AM
I'd like to amend my list a bit:

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Spitfire XIV</span> A little sump'n for the Doras to dance with...
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hs-123 </span>The ultimate cr4plane groundpounder.
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">F4U-4</span> Corsair (so you could see how it was supposed to be all along)
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">H75/P-36</span> too important to the early war scenario to be omitted
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">MS 406</span> Ditto.
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Typhoon!!!!</span> FAR too important to have been overlooked this long.
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Fokker D.XXI</span> Just 'cause I like the Dutch camo schemes.
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Ki-44 Shoki</span> Because it was a greater participant than a lot of the planes already in the game.

The Spit XIV, the Typhoon, the H75 Hawk and the MS 406 are Musts, in my opinion. They belong in the "how the hell did this sim go this long without adding them?" category, and the Fokker and the Henschel 123 are not far behind in value. The Corsair and the Shoki are just planes I'd like to see.

cheers

horseback

JG52Karaya-X
07-28-2007, 10:40 AM
Spitfire Mk.I
Do17
Bf110C4(& /B)
Me410
P38F

F16_Neo
07-28-2007, 11:05 AM
Fokker DXXI
FFVS J22
SAAB J21A
SAAB B17
SAAB B18
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