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PACIFICFIRE
03-06-2005, 07:12 AM
Yestoday at the russian forum ( http://forum.sukhoi.ru/showthread.php?t=31643 ) Oleg Maddox has written that we shall receive BoB-beta in 2006 year, and Pacific Theatre for BoB (on BoB engine) is possible in 5 years (2010). Means in current of 5 years to fans of Pacific Theatre it is necessary to use Pacific-Fighters. Personally for me BoB is not necessary. It is interesting to me only as a basis to PTO-addition (for example "Midway"http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Would like for one-two year see in PF anything addition:
1. Flyable planes.
very need:
Ki-27 for "Japan vs USSR"
Ki-43-II - need only cockpit
Ki-45 - B-29 hunter - for japanese need two engins fighter
Ki-61-I-KAIc(Tei) - need to make a fuselage more longly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif More than half from all Ki-61 were this mod. And you can made normal skin for 244th sentai http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
A5M for China sky & for nice skins
B5N - need only cockpit. Without it game always will be unfinished.
G4M1 mod 11 - need only cockpit. Very wait...
TBM/TBF Avenger - for americans happy...
2. AI planes (even so...)
very need:
G4M2 mod 24 (+ Okha)
Ki48
Ki44
D4Y
B6N
need:
Ki21 & Ki49
And may be Ventura for americans
3. DREAM:
Ki67 - ship-killer
J7W - B-29-killer
4. Ships
very need even ONE japanese & americans cruiser (not Portland type)!!! Without it game always will be unfinished.
5. Map
Chalkin-Ghol
Singapour
Birma
Rabaul+Guadalkanl+New Guinea on ONE map.
New normal New Guinea http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Philipines....

& California map for full happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

And see http://pacificfire.narod.ru/

GerritJ9
03-06-2005, 01:57 PM
Most definitely needed are:
Flyable-
Hawk 75A-7
Ki 27
A5M

AI-
Lockheed Hudson
Dornier Do24
Glenn Martin B-10
Ki 21

Maps-
Singapore is probably in next patch.
Luzon
East Java and Bali
Borneo
South Sumatra

This should keep everybody happy until BoB type PF is released http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
03-06-2005, 02:53 PM
sure would be nice.

EnGaurde
03-06-2005, 05:37 PM
По эÑ"ому л¸нºÑƒ я ²Ñµ ¿Ñ€оÑ"Ñ"у

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

my russian is non existant. Verdammt english colonial school system that sees no need to teach foreign languages... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

sure would like to read that in english, is there a link anyone knows that i could use to translate this with?

Capt.LoneRanger
03-06-2005, 05:42 PM
I'm really looking forward to the moment the first ingame screenshots and the demo for BoB is released. Not because of the news themselves, but because this nonsense "I don't need BoB", "I'm not interested in BoB" or "BoB is boring" will stop. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
03-06-2005, 05:44 PM
well to me the great thing about BoB is i wont have to see my fav planes porked by a russian LOL j/k http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Obi_Kwiet
03-06-2005, 06:29 PM
Please tell me that your not begging for features in a sim that won;t be around for five years. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

eddiemac0
03-06-2005, 07:31 PM
yep, its already started...

avimimus
03-07-2005, 07:04 AM
"Personally for me BoB is not necessary. It is interesting to me only as a basis to PTO-addition (for example "Midway"Smile"

Personally PF is not interesting to me. Only as a basis for BOB and then the MTO is it worth the effort.

My personal choices (being a Canadian and knowing/reading about the rest of WWII):

1. Spanish Civil War
2. Mediterranean
3. Night war over Europe (was bigger than 8th AF)
4. Russian Front

(then the pacific campaign)

After all there have already been many PTO sims (BH, AOTP, PAW, CFS-2 etc.) and only one Russian front sim (Il-2).

How many of us knew the difference between a Lagg and a Lavochin before this sim?

PACIFICFIRE
03-07-2005, 08:18 AM
you has understood, that has written?
yourself play to CFS-3 or Battle of Britain. & wait Battle of Britain II Vings of Victories.
Pilot, he-he...

PACIFICFIRE
03-07-2005, 08:22 AM
And may be you know differentce between Ki21 & Ki49 or G4M1-11 & G4M1-12?
Who wishes to know that knows and without game.

JG53Frankyboy
03-07-2005, 08:31 AM
there is already an US cruiser in PF.

PACIFICFIRE
03-07-2005, 08:51 AM
Thanks. I know. 400 pilots see & one write. On russian forum http://forum.sukhoi.ru i get message about in 5 min. I need edit my message.
But only not Portland - only 2 ships series. & need cruiser for all war but not only '42
Baltimore type - 7 ships on Pacific
New Orleans - 7 ships on PTO
Nort Hampton - 5 ships on PTO
Cheveland - 22 ships on PTO
Atlanta - 8 ships on PTO
Brooklin - 6 ships on PTO
Omaha - 7 ships on PTO
And I not the submariner Motitcuro Hasimoto to sink a cruiser Indeanapolis
And i read slowly as you write http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Frankyboy
03-07-2005, 08:56 AM
well, you edited your first post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
so, forgett it !

gates123
03-07-2005, 11:01 AM
Sweet, another 5 years of "Oleg I want" threads. Can't wait.

lbhskier37
03-07-2005, 11:44 AM
Sure bring on PF again in 2010, as long as they don't **** on a bunch of importnat EF and Italian aircraft putting the off for a year and canceling many to bring it out. Thank's again PF.

SKULLS_Exec01
03-07-2005, 11:55 AM
You guys really thing Oleg with bring out a PTO again after all this legal BS with the American companys???
I sure hope your right!!!!

Von_Zero
03-07-2005, 12:35 PM
and the other side of the coin: i'm really not interested about PTO either... honestly, the only PTO plane that i really like is the Buffalo... but we've got those in EF too.... now.. just think... if BoB will be ready in 2006/2007... and a PTO in 2010... what does that mean? some 3+ years of ETO/MTO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DarthBane_
03-07-2005, 01:20 PM
Some of us on this boards want live to see it.
Could it be done with more haste?

Phil_C
03-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Send me an Island Hopping campaign ill be happy
(that and an avenger lol)

Griffon_25th
03-07-2005, 03:09 PM
I know you will all still buy it if you play sims at all in 2 years from now.

I mean who wouldnt want the most realistic WWII flight sim around with awesome graphics that is fun to fly around regardless of the terrain and planes your flying over/with?

|CoB|_Spectre
03-08-2005, 02:09 AM
Realistically, I'm not making plans on buying any non-essential item a year or more down the road, much less five years. Software release dates, especially for games, are notoriously unreliable. Plus, we really have no idea what system requirements will be to run those games on par with what we're used to with current games. A year, in computer terms, is a long time and subject to significant changes in processing and graphics technology (ie PC Express, 64-bit CPUs). I'm still waiting on the aircraft which were too many to include on the release of the PF discs back in October/November of 2004. I didn't see a quantum leap in the graphics engine from IL-2 to FB and I'll take a wait-and-see attitude before I make any judgements on whether to buy a program that is currently vaporware.

MiamiEagle
03-08-2005, 10:24 AM
Its a shame that it will take five years to get the secound halve of World war two. I now some of you do not care put I do. I like Oleg, I think his a dedicated men to his proffesion and has greatly enhence the quality of our enjoyment through his programs.

But I beleive he also has let us down with new project. I thought that a least we would get all sixteen Maps and most British and Japanese planes.

Instead we got a halve a decent game from what I beleive we were going to get.

So they now say we have got to wait five years for the next installment of a Pacific addon to the new series. I do not trust him as much as did before.

Some of you say it does not matter once the Battle of Britain is realse. I would do not mind him developing the Battle of Britain but not at expence of the Pacific war.

It incredible that some prefer the Battle of Britain over a good Pacific war Simulator. Sure the Battle of Britain was one of the most important Battle in History and should be represented in any World war two Flight Simulator series.

What I find it incredible is that many say that they prefer that BOB over a whole Theater of war. Thats amazing.

I love flying in the BoB. I have flown for both sides in other Simulators mimicing the Bob many years.Its fun and facinating to have flown for the RAF in one of the Western World most important momments. Its not that I do not like Simulating the BoB. Its that I beleive the Pacific Theater as whole is lot more facinating epic in World war two air war. Its the secound halve of World war two and is poorly represented in the Simulation world. Thats a shame.

World war two was fought in two Theaters of war and not just in one. Representing one and not the other halve properly is just wrong.

You may say we got the Pacific Fighter program to content with but I tell you its the worst the of all of Oleg release and not a true representative of the Pacific war.

I was flying yeaterday through the Forgotten Ace prograsm in the Eastern Front and you feel the difference. That program was done with a lot of passion and dedication to detail that is missing in the Pacific Fighter program.

Now we are going to get Patch 3.05 and what I see in the screen shoots its a lot of new things for the Eastern front and bearly a few more Japanese planes to add to the Pacific Theater.

I do Love flying in the Eastern Front and that one thing that I will alway be greatful to Oleg and his team is for bring us that Facinating aspect of the air war in World war two.

With out his input we would not have had the privilage of flying all those wonderful Russian planes.

No one else has ever even tried to Simulate the Eastern front beside the the Oleg team.

Thank you for that Oleg and Co.

I hope he allows other to at least finish this project that he has been left for us unfinished.

Just remember that I"am fan of all your programs. I have bought them all and I"am not a passing occasional fan. I"am a true World war two Aviation Simulator fan.

Thank you

Miamieagle

LEXX_Luthor
03-08-2005, 10:35 AM
Actually, BoB really is a starting point for a whole new series of Theaters.

Funny ~~> browsing Russian FB forum sukoi.ru with babelfish webbpage translator, the more Whiney posters speak of Pacific Fighters as "not our war" ...I as USA westerner always liked Eastern Front the *best* even if its "not my war" (I say all theaters WW2 are all peoples' war), but now PF is getting me deep into Pacific too and getting me to start studying Pacific too...like was Supposed to do all along, but the Rebel that I am.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Some posters at sukou.ru are also Whining about BoB not being Eastern Front. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

lbhskier37
03-08-2005, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiamiEagle:

Some of you say it does not matter once the Battle of Britain is realse. I would mind him develping the Battle of Britain but not at expence of the Pacific war.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya know what, I wouldn't have minded PF being released, as long as it wasn't at the expense of the eastern front! Hmmm, what happened their? PF IMHO was a mistake by Luthier and should've never been done. Its a fine game in its own right, but it delayed and killed many projects that those of us that have been here since day one have been waiting patiently for. Now all you guys that jumped ship from CFS2 once PF came, come in here and whine that "your" theater hasn't been done justice. Well take a number get to the back of the line.

crazyivan1970
03-08-2005, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SKULLS_Exec01:
You guys really thing Oleg with bring out a PTO again after all this legal BS with the American companys???
I sure hope your right!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo, this part is not translated by initial poster. The big "IF" american companies will participate.

LEXX_Luthor
03-08-2005, 11:25 AM
Good point crazyivan. Another Pacific Sim may never be possible, so PF desperately needs some Simple large South/Southwest Pacific maps and a few more Flyable Japanese planes and PPFFt, we are done!! Preferably if UBI could sell them online or CD in cheap paper envelope.

DRB_Hookech0
03-08-2005, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Sure bring on PF again in 2010, as long as they don't **** on a bunch of importnat EF and Italian aircraft putting the off for a year and canceling many to bring it out. Thank's again PF. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Ya know what, I wouldn't have minded PF being released, as long as it wasn't at the expense of the eastern front! Hmmm, what happened their? PF IMHO was a mistake by Luthier and should've never been done. Its a fine game in its own right, but it delayed and killed many projects that those of us that have been here since day one have been waiting patiently for. Now all you guys that jumped ship from CFS2 once PF came, come in here and whine that "your" theater hasn't been done justice. Well take a number get to the back of the line. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do us a favor, in a pulling and twisting motion...please remove your head from your ****.

Your getting your obscure Italian planes (for free I might add) and even more expansion to the Eastern Front. While those of us who PAID for a STANDALONE PRODUCT suposedlly depicting the PTO get a product that has MASSIVE content holes. JHC, if they did this to the Luftwhiners the boards here would actually bleed with the furor. Dont try to sell the "hey you got carriers and water....now be happy" line here, I paid money for a half assed attemp at the PTO and yes I'm pissed off over it.

When you go out and buy a Med Standalone game and they leave out most of, say, the northern Med and all of North Africa then you can act all high and mighty, but until you have to buy something, do us all a favor and keep the smart assed remarks to your self.

lbhskier37
03-08-2005, 12:17 PM
Point is we never will get Do17, Do217, He 177, and a couple amphibs I don't remember the names of as AI, Hs 129, me 210, me 410, Typhoon, curtis Hawk, Po-2, swordfish flyable. There may have been more JU88 versions. Flyable PBN also was left. All these planes and more that I'm sure I am forgetting were being worked on and were basically left because Luthier came around waving dollars at all the modelers for his "special project". You complain about content holes? We have had content holes since day one of IL2 that would maybe have been filled if PF wouldn't have came along. And, no I am not getting Italian planes for free, I had to buy PF which I have little interest in just to get the planes to complete FB. You might not be able to fly torpedo planes in PF, but I contend that having a fast attack bomber is just as important part of the EF and none are availibe to the blue side. I don't see how people expected PF to be perfect and have every plane that existed in the Pacific when after all these years that still hasn't happened in the front the game originated in.

Capt._Tenneal
03-08-2005, 12:17 PM
Well if there will be no US planes because of legal action then Oleg can release BOB and add-ons till the cows come home and it will never be the comprehensive WW 2 sim that the Il-2 series is. Having no representation from one of the Big 3 nations does not a WW 2 flight sim make. That's like Call of Duty with just British and Russian missions...unthinkable.

But, yeah ( @ PACIFICFIRE ) if we get a new Pacific project from Oleg in 2010, then that would be great. I'm actually thinking of skipping the BOB part of the BOB-engine and pick the series up again when it goes back to the Eastern Front or a 1943-45 Western Front scenario (plus the Pacific, of course). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
03-08-2005, 02:24 PM
Previously posted:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You guys really thing Oleg with bring out a PTO again after all this legal BS with the American companys??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If anyone has been following this particular drama, you should know one thing is clear... Oleg nor Ubi has given any hint as to the details of the issue. From what I've read, the biggest problem was unauthorized use of a registered trademark (ie, Grumman/Republic/Consolidated). The "legal eagles" all seem to agree that a company must challenge unauthorized use of their registered trademark or risk abrogating their rights to it. The folks who've contributed the most enlightened views on the subject have backgrounds in copyright law and they seem in agreement that no company has legal claim to "Avenger" or "F4U", as those designations were bestowed by government entities and therefore not subject to private ownership claims. Of course, what in the US Navy would be called "sea-daddy lawyers", abound in these forums and everyone has opinions as well as bodily orifices. It might be to everyone's benefit if Ubi/1C:Maddox were to investigate the legalities and share what they've learned with the buying public. It could well be the solution is as simple as omitting the manufacturer's name. I don't think any of us would feel shortchanged if we got to fly a TBM/TBF "torpedo plane" or P-47 "fighter". I'd hate to see an easy and flimsy excuse substituted for giving us the planes, if it were really that simple. And who's saying, at this point, that it isn't?

Oilburner_TAW
03-08-2005, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Zero:
......honestly, the only PTO plane that i really like is the Buffalo... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Lord man! That's like digging through a bag of mixed nuts trying to dig out the peanuts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, and DRB_Hookech0 , I'm with ya. I think the big thing some people are not taking into account when they argue "I want this, I want that" is who in the group PAID for "this and that". I realize there are only a few (maybe one) plane listed on the box that aren't available yet, but everyone please understand how that when 1C:Maddox says "we are making a Pacific Theatre addon" that those of use who know the history of Oleg & crew could have had higher expectations than that of the same game being published by EA, etc...

Sharkey888
03-08-2005, 05:34 PM
I'm in the weird position of liking the Pacific War but wishing that PF was never made, since it was half-baked and it pushed back BOB by at least a year.

Any talk about "2010" has to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. I'll beleive it when I see it!!!

Philipscdrw
03-08-2005, 06:58 PM
You get what you paid for - and what you paid for is PF with all the holes and gaps. I don't see how you can claim it's your divine right to ask for more free updates to PF. Asking for the Betty is understandable, as we were led to believe (5 months ago!) that it was complete and only omitted due to space restrictions on the CDs. I was expecting it to be released in a patch within a week! I still check here ~3 times a day, waiting for that patch with the content of the mythical 3rd disk...

Someone here is forgetting that we paid for Il-2 and FB too, and the lack of, i.e., the Do-17, and Pe-2 and Ju-88 cockpits are just as important to us as the Avenger is to you.

When Il-2 came out, I loved it, because it was doing something that had never been done before - simulating the Russian front - and doing it much better than any other sim. FB was a continuation of the theme, I loved that too. PF strikes me Il-2 commercialised to make money from the American market, like the LandRover Discovery 3 is a dependable 4x4 made into a luxury vehicle, completely unsuitable for utility work, in order to sell to America. I don't like the American market forces because it makes manufacturers of products I like, like LandRover and Oleg, produce mainstream, blander products that can be sold in the US of A. Il-2 had character. PF, while being excellent IMO, doesn't.

I really would have prefered to get a Mediterranean theatre after FB - that would have had a huge variety in terrain, carriers, more obscure (forgotten!) air forces, desert warfare, island warfare, naval combat, area bombing, and it's much smaller than the PTO so there would be less tediously long flights.

I sincerely hope that the MTO follows BoB. I won't ***** in the forums if it doesn't happen that way, but I would be much happier...

Hendley
03-08-2005, 07:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Well if there will be no US planes because of legal action then Oleg can release BOB and add-ons till the cows come home and it will never be the comprehensive WW 2 sim that the Il-2 series is. Having no representation from one of the Big 3 nations does not a WW 2 flight sim make. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, barring the odd lend-lease plane or two, I think the first half of the war can be covered pretty well... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Reading these posts, it all seems to boil down to which theatre do you like. If you love the PTO, then Pacific Fighters is a disappointment. If you prefer the ETO and MTO, then it's "who cares?" and bring on BoB.

Despite a long-time interest in Japanese planes, I've never been that into the PTO, so PF has been pretty good for me... Could care less that map A or battleship B is missing, but I'm enjoying the change of pace and the opportunity to learn a bit more about the PTO.

That said, I do think it is time for BoB. The RAF (and even more, the FAA) is the most under-represnted major air force in the game; apart from bombers, we have most of the major US, German (barring the Ju88) and Russian (?) types, a good selection of Japanese planes, but large holes in the British collection.

LEXX_Luthor
03-08-2005, 07:49 PM
France has the most under~represented major air force in the game, Italy a very close second...for now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I didn't think it would happen, but I am Happy that somebody made PF. If Oleg and his Modders got sucked into PF or not, PF is sucking me into Pacific.

Thanks Oleg! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hendley
03-08-2005, 08:15 PM
Well, I wasn't including France in "major air forces", but arguably it should be--in which case you are right.

On the other hand, Italy has the same number of fighters in the game as the RAF. Even if you throw in the late-mark Aussie Beau and Swedish Glad, in terms of percentage of types and number of craft, I would argue that the RAF/FAA is still more under-represented than Italy...

Edit: forgot about Seafire, but point still stands, I think... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sharkey888
03-08-2005, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:

PF strikes me Il-2 commercialised to make money from the American market <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right. I only wish they did it CORRECTLY so they could have made more $$ to keep the series going on a good monetary foundation.
In the long run you have to sell the $40 copies in Europe and USA, NOT the $3 ones in Russia!!

Tully__
03-08-2005, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Some of us on this boards want live to see it.
Could it be done with more haste? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if you want a decent sim. At least half the problems we have in the IL2 series are the result of haste.

JG53Frankyboy
03-09-2005, 04:15 AM
perhaps it would have been better if MAddox Games would havestick with the Eastern front !

thinking about the manpower/time that was needed to make non finnished western front/Med and actually also pacific theater its just a dream what could have be done with all that work concentrating an the pure eastern front !
speaking for maps and planes AND overworked items.

JG53Frankyboy
03-09-2005, 04:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PACIFICFIRE:
Thanks. I know. 400 pilots see & one write. On russian forum http://forum.sukhoi.ru i get message about in 5 min. I need edit my message.
But only not Portland - only 2 ships series. & need cruiser for all war but not only '42
Baltimore type - 7 ships on Pacific
New Orleans - 7 ships on PTO
Nort Hampton - 5 ships on PTO
Cheveland - 22 ships on PTO
Atlanta - 8 ships on PTO
Brooklin - 6 ships on PTO
Omaha - 7 ships on PTO
And I not the submariner Motitcuro Hasimoto to sink a cruiser Indeanapolis
And i read slowly as you write http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well ,the USS Indianapolis was sunk on 30 July 1945.......so what ? war was over in august 45 !

MiamiEagle
03-09-2005, 09:25 AM
One thing I want to correct the Pacific Fighter was not done only for the American Market. The Pacific involved Many Nations as well. It involve in one way or other all the Nations of Europe.

I feel a little annimosity toward us who live in the US. Let me remind you all, That America is compose of a little bit of you all.

We have people from all over the World living in America who are Americans.

In conclusion the Pacific war was a internional war that deserve to bee well rpresented in the flight Simulator world.

The Eastern Front while not finished in will get more addons by third parties and patch 3.05 at the expence of the Pacific Pighter program instead.

I love the Eatern Front but I still beleive that the Pacific program should have been finished.

Miamieagle

joeap
03-09-2005, 09:35 AM
Well said Miamieagle, after all it bears repeating as to how many people learned about the Eastern Front from IL2...and how even in its current state it is nice to see PF planes modelled to the same standard as the ETO ones.

|CoB|_Spectre
03-09-2005, 02:50 PM
To view the PTO as exclusive to the US is to totally disregard the contributions of Great Britain and Australia, among others, whose participants paid the highest of prices asked of their people.

I will confess amazement that anyone would want to assign blame to those dastardly "American market forces" for somehow coercing purist manufacturers of automobiles and software to abandon their noble ethics. Could it be those companies saw gold in those US dollars and lusted after it? Who's responsible then? Nobody held a gun to their collective heads, it was a free market decision based on monetary profit. Rather than trying to place blame on the buyer, maybe it would be more productive to look at it through a businessman's eyes. You go where the money is!

Fact is, 1C:Maddox produced a fine sim with IL-2, one that exposed a lot of us to an aspect of WWII of which we were largely ignorant. As time went by, addons expanded the geographical boundries of the war and the variety of aircraft fielded. Going from being a sim of the Eastern Front in attempting to widen into a true World War sim, was quite an undertaking. If being "incomplete" means every sim enthusiast will not get every airplane and map that's important to them, then understand neither Oleg nor anyone else will ever produce a "completed" sim. In this case, computer technology has advanced and given Oleg and the designers new opportunities to further the art of aviation simulation. They can't ignore the opportunity, but unfortunately it requires they start anew albeit armed with the knowledge and experience gained from over three years of IL-2. I'm disappointed that we may never see some aircraft and maps that could've/would've/should've been available for FB/AEP/PF in time, but there's not much I can do about it.

Philipscdrw
03-09-2005, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
To view the PTO as exclusive to the US is to totally disregard the contributions of Great Britain and Australia, among others, whose participants paid the highest of prices asked of their people.

I will confess amazement that anyone would want to assign blame to those dastardly "American market forces" for somehow coercing purist manufacturers of automobiles and software to abandon their noble ethics. Could it be those companies saw gold in those US dollars and lusted after it? Who's responsible then? Nobody held a gun to their collective heads, it was a free market decision based on monetary profit. Rather than trying to place blame on the buyer, maybe it would be more productive to look at it through a businessman's eyes. You go where the money is! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's my point - there's so much money to be made producing blander, mainstream, well-known products for the American market that manufacturers almost inevitably design products for the American market at the expense of producing interesting products. I don't resent the existence of America or anything silly like that, I'm just saddened by the side-effects of a free market economy.

|CoB|_Spectre
03-09-2005, 06:08 PM
I understand what you mean, now. Yes, there is a tendency to appeal to the "broader base" (aka, the lowest common denominator) as kind of a shotgun marketing approach. It is noteworthy that Oleg's group has taken the high road relative to the competition (MS efforts like CFS2 & 3). I admit to enjoying the US, British and German aircraft mostly, but I can understand the desires of others. Still, with limited resources (time, money, etc) it's a matter pragmatics and numbers, therefore even though, let's say, French aircraft did play a significant role in history, in the larger scheme of things (WWII air combat as a whole), they did not. Frankly, it's to Oleg's credit that he's included some of the models (Romania and Poland, for example) that did not appear in large numbers by comparison. Too bad the FB/AEP/PF series can't be continued on its own. I'm afraid with starting anew for BoB, we'll lose all hope of some aircraft types we might've seen had the series continued.

JoachimvMayern
03-09-2005, 06:17 PM
Also, we need full overcast skies. If Lockon can do it, so can BoB.

Hendley
03-09-2005, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
To view the PTO as exclusive to the US is to totally disregard the contributions of Great Britain and Australia, among others, whose participants paid the highest of prices asked of their people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to mention Japan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

walsh2509
03-09-2005, 08:19 PM
Pacific Theatre for BoB (on BoB engine) is possible in 5 years (2010).

If true , stay the feck away from it!

It will be like PF an end of life rip off! By 2010 just after they release Pacific theatre, you will be told that's the end of the road for that BOB engine, we are now going on to a new one!

TonyPiech
03-09-2005, 08:50 PM
Walsh, I'm kinda in agreement with you. Thought that since Oleg was behind PF and that it would be like IL2 and FB. Our mistake, I'm to the point where I could care less about the 3.05 patch,... two weeks, two weeks, etc. I'm going to move on and try Silent Hunter III. Maybe underwater is where PF should be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sharkey888
03-09-2005, 09:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
I'm afraid with starting anew for BoB, we'll lose all hope of some aircraft types we might've seen had the series continued. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am also kinda disappointed that alot of aircraft probably won't be made in BOB and beyond. Looks like most 3rd party modelers-who could barely model in Il2- won't be up to snuff in BOB.

Just by looking at the new models and with the continuing fanaticism about the cockpits, there will be alot of gaps in the flyable list.

Don't get me wrong, I hope I am wrong!!!