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danjama
07-03-2009, 08:40 AM
This week i've been thinking about how Europe and America stack up against each other in online fighting. I can't decide what side of the pond has better fighter pilots. I'm leaning towards Europe at the moment....But then again if i include Russia some of the best pilots are from there (as we all know). What do you all think?

idonno
07-03-2009, 08:43 AM
Yes.

Freiwillige
07-03-2009, 08:50 AM
Hmmmmmm. frivolous me thinks. I think that it really does not matter. Its the pilot since there are no national training regimens.

Trefle
07-03-2009, 09:01 AM
I don't know how many people from the Asian continent play this game , but i think it was worth mentionning in the poll choices IMHO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

But honestly , I doubt the poll will give a sensible answer cause most will vote for their country and in this forum , not every country is represented equally in term of numbers . Also , most of the time online , i don't know where are the other guys from except if i look at their pings or if their nickname is obvious concerning their nationality

I think most countries have their fair share of experienced virtual pilots , it seems that there are more Europeans (squads) flying the sim but it's just an impression . I also think it doesn't matter btw (although i respect your will of knowing other ppl opinions about this ) , individual skill is not what impress me in this sim , it is teamwork and immersion

danjama
07-03-2009, 09:08 AM
It very much depends what time of day you fly as well, because you will base your impressions on that....But i don't think people will vote for their country, people should be honest. If i fly against a pilot who strikes me as good, i normally ask where they are from afterwards...

SeaFireLIV
07-03-2009, 09:17 AM
Bad list.

You have USA, Russia, Australia then Europe. The other three are relatively straight forward, but Europe is not one country. You can`t put Europe in such a list.

Gammelpreusse
07-03-2009, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Bad list.

You have USA, Russia, Australia then Europe. The other three are relatively straight forward, but Europe is not one country. You can`t put Europe in such a list.

Have fun writing down all 50 countries of Europe to make a poll http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Not that this poll as it is can be taken seriously anyways =)

danjama
07-03-2009, 09:27 AM
But there's so many countries in Europe and it's hard to gauge exactly which are the ones with the most good pilots, so it's easier to say Europe as a whole. Plus there's only so many options in a poll http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Dance
07-03-2009, 09:45 AM
In my other passion of driving sims, we call them 'aliens', I think you could add that to your list http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DeerHunterUK
07-03-2009, 10:15 AM
I reckon the best online pilots are from the internet.
But seriously, definitely Hyperlobby.

Stiletto-
07-03-2009, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Dance:
In my other passion of driving sims, we call them 'aliens', I think you could add that to your list http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dance are you in iRacing? Or did you play Grand Prix Legends back in the day when the term "aliens" came around for people that had talent, well.. on another level. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What is neet about the racing simulator iRacing, is that it keeps track of all your stats in a web browser like format. There is even a nations cup and a regional standing that directly pits your members club (I'm in the Midwest USA club) against other clubs and from regions all over the world.

It makes it somewhat easier to track where good drivers come from but I will tell you that pretty much any region that has 10 great drivers has 2 or 3 completely awful ones, it really is no different around the world.

Also I could careless about my Midwest club, all of the friends I have made in sim racing over the years come from all over the US and the World for that matter. I don't even have one good friend in the club I'm in so I never really try to race for points thinking about my club, I race for myself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

But it's the same with IL-2, I have met many people from around the world and I don't particularly align myself with the people from my nation, or the planes that served in WWII from my nation.

I think if IL-2 had a Player ID like iRacing it would be neat but you would probably see similar stats, you'd have guys at the top of the kill list and K/D ratio for every country, and then guys at the bottom who can hardly take off or land, it takes all kinds from around the world.

But if you really want an answer, I am going to say Russia, because they don't have to work over there and can spend more time practicing IL-2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Dance
07-03-2009, 11:04 AM
Did the whole circus Stiletto, from GPL to F1 1999~F1C, Crammonds GP1~4 offline, NR 2003, rFactor, GTR, GTL, GTR2. Got GTR Evolution, hmm not convinced. I got to try iRacing just before my wrists screwed up, I was enjoying it but arthritis has intervened and haven't driven competitively since, Doc's orders http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The idea of the stats/ratings elements used in iRacing being used in flight simming is compelling, but might be costly to your average gamer.

Worf101
07-03-2009, 11:10 AM
The Best Online Pilots can usually be found on my 6.

Da worfster

danjama
07-03-2009, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Worf101:
The Best Online Pilots can usually be found on my 6.

Da worfster

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BillSwagger
07-03-2009, 11:44 AM
I think everyone is about the same in skill, because its difficult to make any distinction. Most people speak enough english, and it isn't as obvious where they are from unless they say so.
Occasionally, I see Russian, Israeli, Italian or German on the chat bar, but i cant make any distinction who the pilots are when i'm playing.

I have had some challenging duels with a Spanish speaking player who was from South America. He was one of the better pilots I've ever flown against. He actually brought my attention to the M.C. 200 and 205 series of planes which are a good alternative to flying 109s or Spitfires all the time.

Anyway, the game isnt all that difficult. It justs takes a bit of time to understand the controls and buttons.
From there, its just a matter of understanding the planesets and their capabilities.
I think everyone could be a great pilot for this reason.



Who is the better pilot??
The guy that scores 4 kills in a Spitfire or the guy that scores 4 kills in a Macchi (MC 200).



BTW, the poll might as well say, where are you from??

Viper2005_
07-03-2009, 12:35 PM
Who is the better pilot??
The guy that scores 4 kills in a Spitfire or the guy that scores 4 kills in a Macchi (MC 200).

That surely depends upon what opposition each pilot faced, and of course what kind of Spitfire we're talking about.

I don't think that there is any particular geographical bias to pilot quality.

However, when flying online outside of a squad context, the team with the biggest block of players speaking a single language on comms will naturally have an advantage. Players forced to use comms in their second language in order to cooperate are obviously at a disadvantage, and I have great respect for those that do so successfully.

Flight_boy1990
07-03-2009, 12:42 PM
Since i live here in Europe of course i voted for Europe.

But 50% of the best fighter pilots that i've seen are from Russia.And believe it or not,a lot of them fly german planes instead of russian.And they can be found on servers like Genadich.The best servers are not in the Hyper-Lobby,but via IP and are based in Russia,and have the best campaign mode in a dog.fight server.You have never even heard of it.
But the most eye beating thing is that they don't fly in squadrons,they fly solo's and are using always TS and communicate.

You people really have no idea what those people can do...

A lot of them hang out at sukhoi.ru.

gizmo60
07-03-2009, 12:44 PM
The best online fighter pilots are from....


Tattouinne

Cheers

waffen-79
07-03-2009, 12:48 PM
1st Europe
2nd Russia (although not very common in HL)
3rd USA (latin america wasn't listed, but we have very good pilots here)

danjama
07-03-2009, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
1st Europe
2nd Russia (although not very common in HL)
3rd USA (latin america wasn't listed, but we have very good pilots here)

Sorry i should have said America rather than USA....

Very good point from Viper on the language barriers online on comms too....

VW-IceFire
07-03-2009, 02:51 PM
I suspect probably the Finnish have the best online fighter pilots....seems to be the trend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TS_Sancho
07-03-2009, 03:09 PM
I agree with Worf, the best online pilots generally are located somewhere in gunrange on my six.

With that out of the way I second Latin America, especially Brazil.

I dont know what you guys are doin down there (teaching ACM in preschool?)

Whatever the case I meet a disproportionite amount of above average pilots who hail from Brazil.

As far as the secret uber Russian mystery pilots who dont have time to doddle with the lesser beings on hyperlobby......whatever.

There are all kinds of private servers catering to all kinds of personal preferences and nationalities, its not a Russian exclusive.

Anyone who has taken the time to get really good at IL2 is competitive and are going to seek the biggest playing field with the most adversaries which for some time has been hyperlobby.

There are definetley quite a few highly skilled Russian pilots out there but from where I sit currently the Latin American guys have got the edge.

This is just my opinion based on my experience.

danjama
07-03-2009, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by TS_Sancho:


This is just my opinion based on my experience.

Which is exactly what i'm looking for, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
07-03-2009, 04:22 PM
This is a joke right?

As in real life, all nations have produced good pilots.

slipBall
07-03-2009, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I suspect probably the Finnish have the best online fighter pilots....seems to be the trend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



They do seem quite dedicated and capable

WTE_Galway
07-03-2009, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I suspect probably the Finnish have the best online fighter pilots....seems to be the trend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



They do seem quite dedicated and capable </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As do the Czech's and Slovak's and for that matter Greek and Italian.


Its a bit of a silly survey and the results will probably satistically match where people come from.

Here are a few of the flaws I can see http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -

1) better pilots tend to come from good squadrons not particular countries

2) most of the time you have no idea where someone is from in HL ... for all you know P47_ACE_USAAF may actually be a Latvian http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

3) the non english speaking communities/squads often fly in their own servers are hence under-represented on general HL dogfight servers

4) some of the BEST pilots around either no longer fly online or only turn up in squad servers co-ops and onlne wars

Tully__
07-04-2009, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:

...........

3) the non english speaking communities/squads often fly in their own servers are hence under-represented on general HL dogfight servers

4) some of the BEST pilots around either no longer fly online or only turn up in squad servers co-ops and onlne wars
This is so right. Many of the best pilots I remember flying against are no longer seen on HL and there doesn't seem to be nearly as much Suomi, Magyar or Russian chat in HL as there used to be.

JtD
07-05-2009, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I suspect probably the Finnish have the best online fighter pilots....seems to be the trend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

+1, in particular in per head rankings. Just a few Finns out there, as compared to say USAmericans.

Flight_boy1990
07-05-2009, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
Just a few Finns out there, as compared to say USAmericans.

I wouldn't say "few".Here's list of the finnish IL-2 virtual squadrons:

LeLv8
LeLv26
LeLv30
LeLv47
LeLv52
LeLv54
LeLv76

I've flown with most of them in Airforce War,and yes they're very good.

triad773
07-05-2009, 03:54 PM
By continent might have been more useful.

Sure good pilots come from all over.... but some of the best that smoked me were from Europe as I remember.

jermin122
07-05-2009, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Trefle:
I don't know how many people from the Asian continent play this game , but i think it was worth mentionning in the poll choices IMHO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

But honestly , I doubt the poll will give a sensible answer cause most will vote for their country and in this forum , not every country is represented equally in term of numbers . Also , most of the time online , i don't know where are the other guys from except if i look at their pings or if their nickname is obvious concerning their nationality

I think most countries have their fair share of experienced virtual pilots , it seems that there are more Europeans (squads) flying the sim but it's just an impression . I also think it doesn't matter btw (although i respect your will of knowing other ppl opinions about this ) , individual skill is not what impress me in this sim , it is teamwork and immersion
Totally agree with what you say.

JtD
07-06-2009, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Just a few Finns out there, as compared to say USAmericans.

I wouldn't say "few". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But I would. There are 5.3 million Finns and more than 300 million US Americans. So there should be like 60 ace US Americans for every ace Finn. There aren't. Same comparison holds for many other nationalities. That's why I said what I said, which in fact was a bit more than your partial quote.

DKoor
07-06-2009, 02:25 AM
Thou shall not mess with flying Finns, or thy arseth shalt be removeth from the sky http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif .

Friendly_flyer
07-06-2009, 03:00 AM
The two best virtual fighter pilots I know are a Norwegian (not myself!) and an Englishman. Then again, my experience is rather limited.

Flight_boy1990
07-06-2009, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
There are 5.3 million Finns and more than 300 million US Americans. So there should be like 60 ace US Americans for every ace Finn...Same comparison holds for many other nationalities.

Well i haven't met 60 US aces yet,but i met various times a Schwarm of finns and we sweaped the skies in AW for 20 mins.And more than one Schwarm.
And of course met more than One finn ace.

BTW if i was you,i would not rely on informtaion provided by Wikipedia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ps:I'm talking about finnish pilots who fly for the Axis side,and US pilots who fly for the allied.

WOLFMondo
07-06-2009, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Just a few Finns out there, as compared to say USAmericans.

I wouldn't say "few". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But I would. There are 5.3 million Finns and more than 300 million US Americans. So there should be like 60 ace US Americans for every ace Finn. There aren't. Same comparison holds for many other nationalities. That's why I said what I said, which in fact was a bit more than your partial quote. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So for every 1 American there should be 4 Indian aces and 3 Chinese aces? If only it worked that way.

JtD
07-06-2009, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:

BTW if i was you,i would not rely on informtaion provided by Wikipedia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I did not take Wiki as my source. But good to know you care. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JtD
07-06-2009, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

So for every 1 American there should be 4 Indian aces and 3 Chinese aces? If only it worked that way.

It does work that way, it's the meaning of "per head" after all. Only that it should be 4 Chinese and 3 Indian aces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bremspropeller
07-06-2009, 03:11 PM
I suspect probably the Finnish have the best online fighter pilots....seems to be the trend

Well, judging by their tan...I tend to agree with you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

And while I'm at it:
http://www.smilespedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/27011.jpg

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