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ImpStarDuece
09-16-2005, 11:13 PM
This talk of the Battle of Britain being limited has made me do some thinking. I actually think that the Battle of Britain is the PERFECT starting point for a serise that could eventually expand to cover the whole 1936-1945 period, from the fragile biplanes and new fangled monoplanes of the Spanish civil war all the way up to the Long Range Strategic bombing of Japan from 30,000 feet.

1) It's the best place to go fowards. A limited period means that time and attention can be spent on detail. Apart from the planes you have the huge map they are doing, radar, nightfighting, ground objects, cities ect. Because the BoB is such a well known and researched period it provides an immense foundation of information to build on.

2) It leads very easily in a Low countries, France and Poland planeset. It has a backwards compatible planeset in the German side, as well as a few of the British planes. It also leads very easily into new theatres: Western Desert, 'trailing the coat-tails' campaign, Meditteranean, and Barbarossa. Barbarossa also gives us some backwards compatability with a Spanish Civil war theatre. The Meditteranean gives us US planes, carriers ect. Carriers and US types give us the early PTO. Tracing a potential evolution for the serise will be a lot of fun.

As for the theatre beign limited, well here is a list of possible types that could be included in a May to November, 1940 period, excluding French aircraft. See what you think;


Great Britain;

Hawker Hurricane Mk I
Hawker Hurricane Mk II
Supermarine Spitfire Mk I
Supermarine Spitfire MK II
Bristol Blenheim IF
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Gloster Sea Gladiator
Boulton Paul Defiant I
Handley Page Hampden IA
Vickers-Armstrong Wellington IC
Lockheed Hudson I
Lockheed Hudson II
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley I
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley II
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley III
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley IV
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley V
Grumman Martlet I


Germany

Me-109E1
Me-109E1/B
Me-109E3
Me-109E4
Me-109E4/B
Me-109E4/N
Me-109E5
Me-109E7
Me-110C4
Me-110C4B
Me-110D1
Ju-87B2
Ju-87R
Ju-88A-1
Ju-88A-5
He-111P-1
He-111H-1
He-111H-2
He-111H-3
He-111H-4
He-111H-5
Do-17E
Do-17M
Do-17P
Do-17U
Do-17Z1
Do-17Z2
Do-215
Do-18
FW-200C-1


Italy

Fiat G.50
Fiat CR.42
Fia B.20

ImpStarDuece
09-16-2005, 11:13 PM
This talk of the Battle of Britain being limited has made me do some thinking. I actually think that the Battle of Britain is the PERFECT starting point for a serise that could eventually expand to cover the whole 1936-1945 period, from the fragile biplanes and new fangled monoplanes of the Spanish civil war all the way up to the Long Range Strategic bombing of Japan from 30,000 feet.

1) It's the best place to go fowards. A limited period means that time and attention can be spent on detail. Apart from the planes you have the huge map they are doing, radar, nightfighting, ground objects, cities ect. Because the BoB is such a well known and researched period it provides an immense foundation of information to build on.

2) It leads very easily in a Low countries, France and Poland planeset. It has a backwards compatible planeset in the German side, as well as a few of the British planes. It also leads very easily into new theatres: Western Desert, 'trailing the coat-tails' campaign, Meditteranean, and Barbarossa. Barbarossa also gives us some backwards compatability with a Spanish Civil war theatre. The Meditteranean gives us US planes, carriers ect. Carriers and US types give us the early PTO. Tracing a potential evolution for the serise will be a lot of fun.

As for the theatre beign limited, well here is a list of possible types that could be included in a May to November, 1940 period, excluding French aircraft. See what you think;


Great Britain;

Hawker Hurricane Mk I
Hawker Hurricane Mk II
Supermarine Spitfire Mk I
Supermarine Spitfire MK II
Bristol Blenheim IF
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Gloster Sea Gladiator
Boulton Paul Defiant I
Handley Page Hampden IA
Vickers-Armstrong Wellington IC
Lockheed Hudson I
Lockheed Hudson II
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley I
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley II
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley III
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley IV
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley V
Grumman Martlet I


Germany

Me-109E1
Me-109E1/B
Me-109E3
Me-109E4
Me-109E4/B
Me-109E4/N
Me-109E5
Me-109E7
Me-110C4
Me-110C4B
Me-110D1
Ju-87B2
Ju-87R
Ju-88A-1
Ju-88A-5
He-111P-1
He-111H-1
He-111H-2
He-111H-3
He-111H-4
He-111H-5
Do-17E
Do-17M
Do-17P
Do-17U
Do-17Z1
Do-17Z2
Do-215
Do-18
FW-200C-1


Italy

Fiat G.50
Fiat CR.42
Fia B.20

VonShlagnoff
09-17-2005, 01:40 AM
you forgot the JU86

Kapteeni
09-17-2005, 02:00 AM
I want Fairey Swordfish. And Lysander for dropping agents to France

WOLFMondo
09-17-2005, 05:19 AM
Personally I think the Defiant would be a waste of time to model and program. It had such a short career in frontline squadrons before it was religated to target tugging I'd really like to see the Wellington though. That plane will have a crazy visual damage model.

John_Stag
09-17-2005, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Personally I think the Defiant would be a waste of time to model and program. It had such a short career in frontline squadrons before it was religated to target tugging I'd really like to see the Wellington though. That plane will have a crazy visual damage model. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's role in the battle was not insignificant. Aside from a limited number of daytime sorties, it performed well as a nightfighter, being fitted with an early AI radar, until the beaufighter appeared in real numbers.

Dunkelgrun
09-17-2005, 05:55 AM
These aircraft can be said to have taken part in the Battle of Britain:

Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk I : single-engined fighter
Bristol Blenheim Fighter IF : twin-engined fighter
Fiat BR20 : twin-engined bomber
Fiat CR42 : single-engined fighter
Fiat G50 : single-engined fighter
Hawker Hurricane Mk I & IIA : single-engined fighter
Dornier Do17E : twin-engined bomber
Dornier Do215B : twin-engined bomber
Dornier Do18 : single-engined flying boat
Focke-Wulf Fw200 : four-engined reconnaissance and bomber
Heinkel He59 : twin-engined floatplane
Heinkel He111D, H & P : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He115 : twin-engined floatplane
Junkers Ju87B : single-engined dive-bomber
Junkers Ju88A : twin-engined bomber
Messerschmitt Bf109E : single-engined fighter
Messerschmitt Bf110C : twin-engined fighter
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Mks I & II : single-engined fighter

If we're really lucky Oleg will include some British bombers:

Bristol Blenheim IV
Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley
Handley Page Hampden
Vickers Wellington
maybe even a Fairey Battle (pushing it a bit here)

plus a couple of trainers:

Messerschmitt Bf108
De Havilland Tiger Moth

Maybe even a Supermarine Walrus for RAF air-sea rescue, who knows?

The Gloster Gladiator and Grumman Martlet MkI were both around in small numbers as well, but neither had any chance to do anything significant and both were based off the probable edge of Oleg's BoB map.

We'll just have to wait and see; we won't get all of those, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Cheers!

73GIAP_Milan
09-17-2005, 06:19 AM
Just a question out of curiosity, but was'n the Westland Whirlwind in active service near the end of BoB??

JG52Uther
09-17-2005, 06:35 AM
If i can have a flyable Dornier 17 then i will be a very happy bunny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dunkelgrun
09-17-2005, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 73GIAP_Milan:
Just a question out of curiosity, but was'n the Westland Whirlwind in active service near the end of BoB?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

263 Squadron began receiving the Whirlwind in June 1940, but didn't begin operations (convoy patrols) until November, technically after the end of BoB in October.

It's got to be in one of the first add-ons though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Cheers!

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-17-2005, 06:59 AM
Come on boys, you know you want it.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Whirlwind1024.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Screensignew.jpg

No601_prangster
09-17-2005, 07:44 AM
The Fairey Battle carried out raids against German landing barges in the channel port during BOB.

Bartsimpson-
09-17-2005, 09:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
These aircraft can be said to have taken part in the Battle of Britain:

Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk I : single-engined fighter
Bristol Blenheim Fighter IF : twin-engined fighter
Fiat BR20 : twin-engined bomber
Fiat CR42 : single-engined fighter
Fiat G50 : single-engined fighter
Hawker Hurricane Mk I & IIA : single-engined fighter
Dornier Do17E : twin-engined bomber
Dornier Do215B : twin-engined bomber
Dornier Do18 : single-engined flying boat
Focke-Wulf Fw200 : four-engined reconnaissance and bomber
Heinkel He59 : twin-engined floatplane
Heinkel He111D, H & P : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He115 : twin-engined floatplane
Junkers Ju87B : single-engined dive-bomber
Junkers Ju88A : twin-engined bomber
Messerschmitt Bf109E : single-engined fighter
Messerschmitt Bf110C : twin-engined fighter
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Mks I & II : single-engined fighter


What no hurricane mk1 ? , now it just woundn't be bob would it ?

Bartman .

JG52Karaya-X
09-17-2005, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk I : single-engined fighter
Bristol Blenheim Fighter IF : twin-engined fighter
Fiat BR20 : twin-engined bomber
Fiat CR42 : single-engined fighter
Fiat G50 : single-engined fighter

<span class="ev_code_RED">Hawker Hurricane Mk I & IIA : single-engined fighter</span>

Dornier Do17E : twin-engined bomber
Dornier Do215B : twin-engined bomber
Dornier Do18 : single-engined flying boat
Focke-Wulf Fw200 : four-engined reconnaissance and bomber
Heinkel He59 : twin-engined floatplane
Heinkel He111D, H & P : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He115 : twin-engined floatplane
Junkers Ju87B : single-engined dive-bomber
Junkers Ju88A : twin-engined bomber
Messerschmitt Bf109E : single-engined fighter
Messerschmitt Bf110C : twin-engined fighter
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Mks I & II : single-engined fighter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's this then!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

MEGILE
09-17-2005, 11:24 AM
BF-109Z

JG52Karaya-X
09-17-2005, 11:36 AM
Tempest Mk.II

No wait... duh

of course the Tempest Mk.II-Z