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woofiedog
08-26-2006, 12:23 PM
An article I found while checking out some information. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Link: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,125772-page,1/article.html

The Complete List of Losers

America Online (1989-2006)
RealNetworks RealPlayer (1999)
Syncronys SoftRAM (1995)
Microsoft Windows Millennium (2000)
Sony BMG Music CDs (2005)
Disney The Lion King CD-ROM (1994)
Microsoft Bob (1995)
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (2001)
Pressplay and Musicnet (2002)
dBASE IV (1988)
Priceline Groceries and Gas (2000)
PointCast (1996)
IBM PCjr. (1984)
Gateway 2000 10th Anniversary PC (1995)
Iomega Zip Drive (1998)
Comet Cursor (1997)
Apple Macintosh Portable (1989)
IBM Deskstar 75GXP (2000)
OQO Model 1 (2004)
CueCat (2000)
Eyetop Wearable DVD Player (2004)
Apple Pippin @World (1996)
Free PCs (1999)
DigiScents iSmell (2001)
Sharp RD3D Notebook (2004)

woofiedog
08-26-2006, 12:23 PM
An article I found while checking out some information. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Link: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,125772-page,1/article.html

The Complete List of Losers

America Online (1989-2006)
RealNetworks RealPlayer (1999)
Syncronys SoftRAM (1995)
Microsoft Windows Millennium (2000)
Sony BMG Music CDs (2005)
Disney The Lion King CD-ROM (1994)
Microsoft Bob (1995)
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (2001)
Pressplay and Musicnet (2002)
dBASE IV (1988)
Priceline Groceries and Gas (2000)
PointCast (1996)
IBM PCjr. (1984)
Gateway 2000 10th Anniversary PC (1995)
Iomega Zip Drive (1998)
Comet Cursor (1997)
Apple Macintosh Portable (1989)
IBM Deskstar 75GXP (2000)
OQO Model 1 (2004)
CueCat (2000)
Eyetop Wearable DVD Player (2004)
Apple Pippin @World (1996)
Free PCs (1999)
DigiScents iSmell (2001)
Sharp RD3D Notebook (2004)

leitmotiv
08-26-2006, 12:49 PM
Arg!

GvSAP_Dart
08-26-2006, 01:35 PM
I don't understand how AOL made the top of the list.

Hark back in time, my friends, when ISP's came in three forms:

1) Local BBS/ISP.
2) Prodigy.
3) AOL.

We rant about tyrannical moderators on forums, but those not of age at the time can never fully comprehend the absolute power that usually absolutely corrupted the sysop of one's local BBS or ISP.

If Bob, another member, hated you - but the SysOP loved him, you could be denied access with no warning. If the servers were making noise that was keeping the SysOP's kid awake, you could find yourself disconnected.

2) Prodigy. How I hated thee, let me count the ways! Terrible interface, horribly inconsistent connections, and did I mention it had a horrible interface that never really adapted to Windows 3.1?

3) AOL - clean interface, solid connection, easy to set up and run on my lightning fast 286 computer with it's blinding 9600 baud modem. I got an email address and an inbox. Cool. Now if only I knew someone else that had a computer, an online connection, and an email address!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Their jibe about AOL not allowing Internet access is a bit unfair. The World Wide Web was new, and AOL connected after the standards were established and there was some content out there. They're off by when it became truly "online" as well.

AOL users got true Internet access in 1994. Not that it meant much other than one could surf the few (but quickly replicating) porn sights and read other pages on how the World Wide Web was going to be really great really soon.

Their "n00b" comment is also unfair. Heck, back then we were ALL newbs to PC's and the Internet. Okay, maybe not the eggheads at their magazine who had been feeding punchcard information to each other through the ARPANET since the Apollo program, but for the rest of us it was all virgin territory and we weren't about to learn machine language in order to look at a picture of a naked woman.

We wanted icons to double click and to forget the DOS commands and terrible 8 color pallette schemes of the past.

I had AOL for ten years - from early 1993 on. Indeed, I kept it for the last five years of that simply because of the email address which folks I met through my travels had it. It was sort of sad when I called to cancel my account; it was the end of a personal era of sorts.

I'd hardly think that a company that was the portal and means for so many people - most of them so intimidated otherwise - to come to the world of online connections with so little hassles qualifies as one of the "25 Worst" of all time.

KaleunFreddie
08-26-2006, 01:45 PM
Not much has changed..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WWMaxGunz
08-26-2006, 02:02 PM
That list was compiled by someone who hasn't been around long, hasn't seen much.
Or maybe it was something kicked around at a lunch table, peeves they lost money on.

Where is Windows 1.0, 3.0, W95 original release?

Doesn't tech include 8-tracks?
If 'The Lion King' rates for the 90's then 8-track does for the 70's.
Really there were some gems going back even further.

They don't even list Seagate HD's! Seagate wouldn't factory-warrant their own drives!

How about PCMCIA?

Divine-Wind
08-26-2006, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">America Online (1989-2006) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (2001) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Willey
08-26-2006, 02:41 PM
Windows ME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

What a piece of **** http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif

FatBoyHK
08-26-2006, 03:04 PM
actually I think OQO is quite cool.... I don't own one so I am not sure...

AVG_WarHawk
08-26-2006, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
Windows ME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

What a piece of **** http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suffered Win ME nearly the entire time original IL-2 Sturmovik was still the best flite sim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif, there really should have been a recall on that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

LEBillfish
08-26-2006, 03:57 PM
Odd......why does AOL rate above Pet Rocks?

BaronUnderpants
08-26-2006, 04:19 PM
Beta Max http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Taylortony
08-26-2006, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taylortony:
ME was released to fund the advertising budget for XP..... work upgraded the software on the PC's from 98 to ME believe it or not, years after XP came out.............. I nearly threw the monitor at the window. They still use it as well..... then ask me why has this crashed, locked up and died a death...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

surely George Bush should be on that list.... one of the worst things that came out of their grandfathers loins... both of them, one indirectly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sergio_101
08-26-2006, 07:56 PM
From the list, the **** that i owned at one time or another.....

RealNetworks RealPlayer (1999)

Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (2001)

IBM PCjr. (1984)

Iomega Zip Drive (1998)

Comet Cursor (1997)

CueCat (2000)



Someone mentions Seagate hard drives?
I have replaced enough of them to fill
a 5 gallon pail easily!

Other drives fail, it's part of manufacturing.
Some stuff comes off defective and fails early.

But Seagate is top dog in the failure department.

It would be easy to understand if it were one
run of drives that failed, say a 4 gig, or a
8 gig of a certain type.

But I have replaced many of different sized and models.
Most recently it was a 80 gig drive out of a Compaq.

The "IBM Deskstar 75GXP (2000)" pales in comparison.....


Sergio

woofiedog
08-26-2006, 08:38 PM
WWMaxGunz... 8 Track's, there use to be a pile of them Junked in the back seats of our cars back then.

You would have to adjust them with match books stuck under the 8 track in the player just to have it play right.

You might say... that was Many Moon's Ago! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

RAF74_Poker
08-26-2006, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Odd......why does AOL rate above Pet Rocks? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pet rocks did something !

Esel1964
08-26-2006, 08:46 PM
Very low on the tech scale,but high on the cr*p scale-Popeil's Pocket Fisherman! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sergio_101
08-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Disney The Lion King CD-ROM (1994)

Blue screen of death for the kiddies on
Christmass morning, the Grinch would be proud!

Sergio

Daiichidoku
08-26-2006, 09:26 PM
the "flowbee"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/flowbee.jpg

and "GLH-9 Hair in a Can Spray (Great Looking Hair Formula #9)"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/GLH_Hair.jpg
(can you believe they STILL sell this stuff?)

Ares_336sqn
08-26-2006, 09:48 PM
DOS by far!
Coming from QL Sinclair, Atari St and later Falcon (with all its bugs) and Atari XT, DOS was a shock to me. Like going back in time! You needed to actually read a huge book to use it and had to spend hours to free the memory you needed to play a game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Even Dos Shell was primitive compared to the graphical enviroments already in use at the time!
Perhaps the worst user interface for a home PC ever!

WWMaxGunz
08-26-2006, 10:35 PM
PCDOS/MSDOS dates back to 1980 and was ripped straight from even older CP/M.
Until 2.0, MSDOS was not even stable since Gates paid for a quick and dirty rip job that
never really got the bugs straightened out. Even through W98 there are still parts of
the original CP/M code. The creator of CP/M never bothered to sue as it would have taken
a lot of money and years spent away from Tahiti while he'd only grow old. Yeah, Gates is
a software pirate bigtime and more than once. The Windows fix has been to make it work
like Unix which came from AT&T/Bell Labs.

You could run DOS in business for a long time using only 6 commands and maybe only 9 for
total needs. I don't know why some people got so uptight over a few words. Being ignorant
of what you're actually doing really is what Winblows is about until the inevitable crash.

knightflyte
08-26-2006, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
WWMaxGunz... 8 Track's, there use to be a pile of them Junked in the back seats of our cars back then.

You would have to adjust them with match books stuck under the 8 track in the player just to have it play right.

You might say... that was Many Moon's Ago! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I used popsicle sticks...... LOL
Remember Ka CHUNK!!!! (at least that's what my 8 track sounded like when it changed tracks.)

Ares_336sqn
08-26-2006, 11:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:

You could run DOS in business for a long time using only 6 commands and maybe only 9 for
total needs. I don't know why some people got so uptight over a few words. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Playing games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif All the trouble you had to go through just to play a game.
Where can i find those 2 extra kbytes of memory i need to run the game??... Searching,searching, reading, thinking and searching again... Sometimes only to find you did not like the game you spent hours t make it run...

BiscuitKnight
08-27-2006, 01:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:
Someone mentions Seagate hard drives?
I have replaced enough of them to fill
a 5 gallon pail easily!

Other drives fail, it's part of manufacturing.
Some stuff comes off defective and fails early.

But Seagate is top dog in the failure department.

It would be easy to understand if it were one
run of drives that failed, say a 4 gig, or a
8 gig of a certain type.

But I have replaced many of different sized and models.
Most recently it was a 80 gig drive out of a Compaq.

The "IBM Deskstar 75GXP (2000)" pales in comparison.....
Sergio </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's funny, I've had more people swear by Seagate than not, face-to-face, but over the 'net it's the worst drive brand usually, and I've listened to at least three rants face-to-face about Seagate.

I have had a 40GB PATA IDE drive, and an 80GB SATA drive. The 40GB has done as much as I could ask of it, and more, but the 80GB SATA was like living a nightmare: it was totally fine, then three months after I'd got it working, I was on a forum and CRUNCH! a noise like someone had taken a serrated knife and stabbed it through a foot of plastic sheets, Blue Screen of Death. My best guess is the read/write heads broke off and became acquainted with the platters at 7800.7 RPM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Goodbye all the files made and collected over about a year, all the patches, mods, music, documents. Then when I try to replace it under warranty, the damn post office loses the damn thing! Which might not be Seagate's fault, but I've got my suspicions *twilight zone theme plays*

I'm a Western Digital buyer now.

Willey
08-27-2006, 03:27 AM
I had an IC35 series IBM 40gig 7200 HDD once... after 11 months it seized. My brother had the same model - worked 9 months, then straight dead.
But no headcrash or so... it just wouldn't let windows boot up the next time anymore...
Damnit, I lost a lot of valuable stuff with that crash http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
These things were damn fast, damn silent, but also damn dangerous http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Willey
08-27-2006, 03:28 AM
Almost forgot... where's the Geforce FX 5x00 series? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://mm.wtal.de/mm/Gefoen.jpg

woofiedog
08-27-2006, 03:29 AM
knightflyte... LoL Those 8 tracks always seemed to change tracks in the middle of the Best Songs on the tape.

Never thought of using Popsicle stick's for the adjustment though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BiscuitKnight
08-27-2006, 04:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
Almost forgot... where's the Geforce FX 5x00 series? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://mm.wtal.de/mm/Gefoen.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What was wrong with the Fx 5x00 series? I never had a problem with my Fx 5100, nor did anyone I know have any trouble with them. They certainly beat the ATi Artifacts and Overheats series that was available at the same time.

ddpairborne59
08-27-2006, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
Windows ME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

What a piece of **** http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

voodoo 4500!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Sergio_101
08-27-2006, 07:30 AM
I thought all ATI cards are in the A&O series.
I only install ATI when customers insist.
NEVER argue with a fanboy customer. Take the money
with a smile.
Lately I have installed a couple of Matrox cards.
They ain't bad.
ATI is neat, lots of artifacts......
Hopefully AMD will clean their act up.

Sergio

Sergio_101
08-27-2006, 07:36 AM
8 track tapes were not that bad.

Think, there was nothing out there
that was even close!

I used match books.

Sergio

DuxCorvan
08-27-2006, 07:48 AM
What I miss from DOS, is that your PC was still yours. I mean, you knew exactly what happened in your rig, and what was in your HD. There were no mystery processes running in the background, no arcane error messages saying dont-know-what, installing was all about copying files, and uninstalling consisted in deleting those files or the whole directory -now called 'folder'.

Sure, playing certain games required tweaking, specially due to the 640k memory limit and XMS/EMS settings. But, sincerely, are we free from tweaking right now?

You were the owner. Now it looks like PC has an independent life and does things behind the curtains or while you're not watching.

NonWonderDog
08-27-2006, 11:02 AM
The FX cards, and I currently have a 5900XT, are absolutely **** at shaders. They were billed as some kind of incredible leap in graphics technology with incredible shaders, but my old GeForce 4 Ti was faster with shaders 1.1. Shaders 2.0 fly by at a blazingly fast 5 frames per second.

They really were a disaster. ATI cards from the same time were an order of magnitude faster with shaders 2.0.

Nvidia didn't lose as much as they should have because shaders 2.0 weren't used when FX cards were popular. When they were, Nvidia pressured developers to make equivalent shaders 1.3 modes for FX cards. Even Half-Life 2 uses shaders 1.3 when faced with an FX card. It's only the very newest games that really insist on shaders 2.0 or better; Oblivion is nearly unplayable with my overclocked FX5900XT, while mid-cost ATI cards from the same time have few problems.

mortoma1958
08-27-2006, 11:12 AM
He left out the Sony Mini-disk!!! Actually it was an OK product but few people bought into it. Except me, sigh.........I have both a portable mini-disk "walkman" style thingie and a mini-disk player in my car. Sounds ok but I'm the only person who has one. Everybody else was smarter than me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Willey
08-27-2006, 10:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BiscuitKnight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
Almost forgot... where's the Geforce FX 5x00 series? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://mm.wtal.de/mm/Gefoen.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What was wrong with the Fx 5x00 series? I never had a problem with my Fx 5100, nor did anyone I know have any trouble with them. They certainly beat the ATi Artifacts and Overheats series that was available at the same time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were extremely loud... at least the bigger ones.

wayno7777
08-27-2006, 11:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
WWMaxGunz... 8 Track's, there use to be a pile of them Junked in the back seats of our cars back then.

You would have to adjust them with match books stuck under the 8 track in the player just to have it play right.

You might say... that was Many Moon's Ago! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I used popsicle sticks...... LOL
Remember Ka CHUNK!!!! (at least that's what my 8 track sounded like when it changed tracks.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or that without your girlfriend's nailfile, you could only hear two tracks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif....

R_Target
08-27-2006, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
They were extremely loud... at least the bigger ones. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah they were. 9800Pro was the king back then. The amusing thing is that X1900 is louder than Fx5800 was. ATi isn't running promo campaigns about loud fans anymore either.

BiscuitKnight
08-28-2006, 02:37 AM
About the Fx Series

Well, I guess that's the first reason I've heard not to go NVIDIA, although correct me if I'm wrong, but a 5900 predates shader 2.0 by a bit? (Forgive me if I'm wrong, I haven't slept in twenty seven hours)

As for noise, well, maybe the 5500 upwards were noisy, but mine certainly didn't rate compared to the HD or CPU fan.

Sergio:

I thought all ATi were A&O too, but apparently they cleaned up at about the x850 time. What you said about AMD - I thought NVIDIA bought ATi's chip manufacturers, and I heard AMD was taking over, is that correct?

I've loved my NVIDIA cards, never a hiccup, but my ATi user mates have complained about artifacts and overheating - I had forgotten that both phenomena since I ditched my first graphics card. Even a mate with an x850 has complained about artifacts. Eh. Oh and, I hear you about the fanboys, the smile is so much easier when you think of him screaming at the machine in utter frustration because his ATi is emulating frying pans.

WTE_Ibis
08-28-2006, 03:11 AM
Windows ME is the winner
ME actually stands for M ongrel E dition.
and was named correctly.

flakwagen
08-28-2006, 05:20 AM
I think we're all familiar with the horrible poopfest that is RealPlayer. And QuickTime (the Win9x version) was just as bad for a long while.

RealPlayer merely sucked- QT tried to take over every file preference it could find! It still does this to a point, but one can choose file association options during the install routine now.

http://www.msu.edu/user/seaboldc/pics/buffering.jpg

Were it not for Real Alternative and QuickTime Alternative, I wouldn't bother to attempt viewing either format. The moral of the story is that file formats that require the use of a specific player generally suck poo through a straw.

Does anyone remember the video telephone? I remember seeing one demoed on the Phil Donahue talk show when I was a small child. That's a tech pipe dream that they trot out from time to time that has never caught on with the home consumer.

Flak